blueAgent:



Nature is God's evidence of Orderliness.there is nothing right about transgender.

You will agree with me that their are natural laws that govern this Universe. like laws of gravity,Motion, Cause and effect, Rising and setting of the Sun. same way we have natural laws insistuted for our well being .same way we have moral laws that guide human conduct. the question is who established those natural laws that benefit you and me? its obvious it is God.

Research have proven , that those who transgender . that's those who undergo the Surgery still end up unhappy , and end up committing Sucide.
According to American Association of psychiatrist doctors. homosexuality and transgender are mental disorders and should be treated as one.they are habits one consciously or unconsciously forms

Let me ask you. what is the boundary or limit for you to regard something as immoral?

http://newobserveronline.com/transgender-is-a-mental-illness-and-should-be-treated-as-such-former-johns-hopkins-chief-psychiatrist/

blueAgent:



You are contracdicting yourself. the woman was an Adulteress. not her union with Hosea.
She was not married to anybody.
God used Hosea's miarrage to the adultress woman to make a point to the children of Iseral. who were like the adultress woman unfaithful to God(Hosea) inspite if God's faithfullness and plead to them to return back to him. it would have contradicted God's moral law. if God had told Hosea to sleep with different women other than the Adultress woman who Hosea married legally.

blueAgent:



True; the New testament was written in Greek. My earlier assertation is still right. becos JESUS gave an example by saying. anyone who calls his brother a fool is at risk of going to Hellfire .which means it is not just the mere fact of been angry, but allowing ones anger to lead to violence or use of vain words.

You are just bent on looking for loopholes in the Bible were there are not. you don't understand verse of the Bible . does not make the Bible less Authentic.

blueAgent:



Was the Ark done to represent an Idol? was it done to with any Idol in mind?

PastorAIO:


Authorised by who?


Tell me, have you ever seen someone who was angry who did not feel justified in his anger. You sef think about all the times you've been angry and tell me whether you've ever felt anger without justification/cause.

PastorAIO:


Anger by it's very nature feels justified. Apart from the fact that that addition of yours is not found in any of the early manuscripts I do not think that Jesus could say anything so daft.

PastorAIO:


Actually Jesus was talking to Jews and he was saying that anger is as much a sin as murder. All this your prattlings about fools and morons and rebellions etc is just more of your typical conceits and inventions.

PastorAIO:


Read the second commandment.

PastorAIO:


Oh, my translation is dodgy. Let us leave the fact that the very existence of contradicting translations punches holes in your claims.

And instead please tell me, why is your translation superior? What is the basis of your translation?

OLAADEGBU:


I know that I have not always been justified whenever I'm provoked to anger.



Feeling justified does not necessarily mean being justified in ones anger. When did you start believing the Bible to be authentic?

OLAADEGBU:

"Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath" (Ephesians 4:26).
Only genuine Christians will understand this.
Does this exist in the Roman Catholic Bible?

OLAADEGBU:

It is the reason why it is called the authorised version and yours is not.

Julianyao:

Going to reply bit by bit.
Only contradicting myself: No, I didn't do that. However,the joke's on me for not making it clear enough. What I was trying to point out there with that was situational nature of moral. I was using that point the reason we can't have absolute.

Julianyao:


Can't see anything in your second question- maybe you'll have to put it in another way.

Julianyao:


For the third: I'm not claiming any moral superiority. And by the way, when has pointing out what's wrong with something become a claim of superiority over that thing?

Julianyao:


Bro, The bible didn't come with a disclaimer. What you're saying there is your own interpretation (which is subject to error) and I'm probably sure there's absolutely no facts to get right there.

Julianyao:


What Hitler did is wrong because we rational humans on the importance of well-being which forms the basis for laws against genocide.

OLAADEGBU:


So if you happened to be situated in Nazi Germany at the time Hitler exterminated 14 million people would you have agreed with the general concession of the Nazi regime?



Okay.



Why should others follow your moral value derived from your custom and society?



The Bible is where you get the absolute truth.



What do you base your moral value on to condemn what Hitler did, your society? Why should we take your subjective moral value over others?

PastorAIO:


Do you know what an idol is? Please look it up.

You don't make representations of Idols. Idols are themselves representations.

You can make an idol of Shango. Shango is the spirit, the idol is the representation.

The Ark is a representation of the throne of Yahweh. The two cherubim (or are they seraphim) above the throne are representations of heavenly beings.

PastorAIO:


actually Matthew was probably written in hebrew but that is irrelevant to the discussion.

Why are you just bent on twisting Jesus' words?

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

I don't know how you want to draw a distinction between 'the mere fact of being angry' and some other kind of anger. Jesus made no such distinctions and in light of the context it is obvious that Jesus is addressing the sentiments that lead to murder. The sentiment in and of itself is what shall be judged, not only the action that it leads too.


The same thinking is also applied to adultery and Jesus makes it clear that it is the lustful thoughts that are judged not just when you act on your lustful thoughts.

27“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Read the beatitudes thoroughly and if you still think that I'm wrong I'll agree to give up trying to persuade you.

blueAgent:



You said it yourself . they were made to God. and served a temporary purpose. so what's your argument.

blueAgent:



You said it yourself . they were made to God. and served a temporary purpose. so what's your argument. God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son as a test. which Abraham almost did, but was stopped by God. does this imply in anyway that God wants us to kill our Children on his behalf. No it was just a medium to test Abraham's faith with what he loved most , his Son.
Same with the Ark.

Remember the Children of Israel made a molten calf by Aaron to serve as their god.
So God instructed Moses to make the Ark not necessarily. as a Subsistue ,but to help the Children of Israel to Fear and acknowledge his presence.

PastorAIO:


How much money are you prepared to pay your legally wedded wife to stay with you for a term of many days? And after the term is over where would you expect her to go?

Hosea goes to a woman who is with a companion.

He pays for her to stay with him.

It is an exclusive contract to last a set term of 'many days'.

Does that sound like husband and wife to you?

blueAgent:



Look the Obvious lesson to learn here is that to be tempted is not a sin .JESUS himself was tempted . but falling for the temptation is Sin.
That verse could also be refering to Jesus stressing the importances of one controlling his anger rather than taking the meaning literally.


James 1:12-16 ESV / 17 helpful votes
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under
trial, for when he has stood the test he will
receive the crown of life, which God has
promised to those who love him. Let no one say
when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by
God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and
he himself tempts no one. But each person is
tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own
desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives
birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings
forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved
brothers.

PastorAIO:


Shaaaarrrappp there! Liar!!! I said nothing of the sort. We are talking of representations of things and beings that exist in heaven or earth. Not representation to god. See you! You're even ready to butcher english language just to get away with your repulsive lies.

What is a representation to god? Is that correct english?

PastorAIO:


Shaaaarrrappp there! Liar!!! I said nothing of the sort. We are talking of representations of things and beings that exist in heaven or earth. Not representation to god. See you! You're even ready to butcher english language just to get away with your repulsive lies.

What is a representation to god? Is that correct english?

PastorAIO:


Do you realise that you have just totally destroyed the bible with this quote of yours? I've actually been meaning to do a thread on this for some time now. Perhaps now is the time.

blueAgent:



You are confused. you are not making any Coherent statement.

blueAgent:



Look the Obvious lesson to learn here is that to be tempted is not a sin .[size=13pt]JESUS himself was tempted[/size] . but falling for the temptation is Sin.
That verse could also be refering to Jesus stressing the importances of one controlling his anger rather than taking the meaning literally.


James 1:12-16 ESV / 17 helpful votes
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under
trial, for when he has stood the test he will
receive the crown of life, which God has
promised to those who love him. Let no one say
when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by
God,” for [size=13pt]God cannot be tempted [/size] with evil, and
he himself tempts no one. But each person is
tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own
desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives
birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings
forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved
brothers.

PastorAIO:


Thank you for admitting that there is a difference between Feeling justified and being justified.

I take it that you concede that it is impossible to feel anger without feeling justified in that anger.

Now tell me, How is a man who feels justified going to curb his anger when he believes that justified anger is alright. No angry man would curb his anger.

PastorAIO:


But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment;

Between Jesus and Paul who are you really following.

PastorAIO:


Sorry what question were you answering here. What is the reason why some are authorised and others not? Please point out the reason.

Julianyao:


Like I said- On well-being. I bet the Jews massacred by Hitler would, at that time, agree with me that His action doesn't promote their well-being. I'm not making any claim here and neither am I persuading you to subscribe to a moral framework I tend to support.
There's this thing called the golden rule- do to others as you'd have them do to you- which transcends all cultures and predates even the religion you were 'thrown' into, that can serve as as a starting point for the development of moral structure for a society. Interestingly, the society is gradually moving beyond that now to a level where one ought to treat someone as the person likes to be treated.

OLAADEGBU:


The society Hitler belonged obviously did not see anything wrong with the extermination of millions of people who were different to them. Did that make it right? If not why would you impose your own moral code on them or why is yours better than there's?

Do criminals and anti social misfits love themselves? How will you like to treat them?

Julianyao:


I don't know how you figured out that they didn't see the errors of Hitlers act. Could it be that they knew it was wrong but couldn't say nothing cos Hitler had the power and might annihilate any of his own who dare speak? Albert Einstein wasn't in support of Hitlers, so he had to leave Germany at that time.
Another thing I think you should know is that Hitler actually got an OK from the Vatican to 'go ahead since they claimed that the Jews killed Jesus. It wasn't until 1964 that they (the Vatican) apologized to the Jews.
Let me attack your god briefly:

Julianyao:


His moral system or the system which appeals to him is a completely fecked up one. You can murder all you want, rape all you want...But the moment you give your life to Christ, you are saved, forgiven. And if the society don't know about it, wow! lucky you. After all god has forgiven you, Who the feck can judge you.

Julianyao:


The problem is that your god's system set up a ridiculously high standard (of morality) that no one can meet and then create a loophole (believe in Jesus) to escape punishment. There's also the thought crime but I prefer to leave it here.
Note: Perfect justice implies no mercy. Also justice and any degree of mercy are mutually exclusive.

Julianyao:


Criminals and social misfits love themselves. They choose the life they lead. Sometimes, they are they are victims of ideologies which pervade the society or even the crime in it...
How to treat them:
There's prison, cells or death penalty for outright criminals. The misfits do with counseling or perhaps incarceration.
I do feel a little bit satisfied for what we have now. However, I'm looking forward to a better method of dealing with this kind of things.

orunto27:


The Bible gives two classifications:- SELFISHNESS & RIGHTEOUSNESS. The Selfish is 666. CORRUPT/MAN IS WICKED=666 by2 The Righteous is 930. CHRISTIANITY/JESUS D CHRIST=930 by 2. Examples of objective morals, which is Righteousness are: OPENNESS, GOODNESS, ACTIVENESS, BELIEVE, TRUST, PEACEFULNESS AND LOVINGNESS ALL IN OUR ACTIONS, INTERACTIONS AND MOVEMENTS. All actions opposite of these are subjective and selfish. The Bible is a complete Text of human relationship to God and to humans. Christ is Character and is 462.

PastorAIO:


Thank you for admitting that there is a difference between Feeling justified and being justified.

I take it that you concede that it is impossible to feel anger without feeling justified in that anger.

Now tell me, How is a man who feels justified going to curb his anger when he believes that justified anger is alright. No angry man would curb his anger.






But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment;

Between Jesus and Paul who are you really following.



Sorry what question were you answering here. What is the reason why some are authorised and others not? Please point out the reason.

THE PRINCIPLES OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAHWEH GOD ARE THE PRINCIPLES OF LIFE ITSELF!" - The Aroloye Conjecture.