Eruditor:


You are welcome too.

Looking at the east do you think any other team save the CAVS would come out of the ECFs? Looking at the west, it is a bit harder to choose, but I can tell you unequivocally that GSW is still the team to beat.

There are only two things that can work against GSW:

1. If the refs keep letting the type of fouls that they let happen against the MVP (especially in the finals)

2. If Kerr makes most of his team's offence predicated on 3s and the 3s don't drop in said game.

GSW came up with different ways of beating many teams in the regular season and that's why they won 73 games. Don't be waylaid by the NBA finals this year. Unidirectional play and arrogance cost them that title.

In the regular season after SAS beat GSW 87-79 in their second outing people said they had been figured out and that if the 3s don't drop they are done for. The game 3 proved that to be wrong as not only did GSW reduce the 3s, they matched iso-plays with, driving to the rim and solid D and they beat SAS in Texas. The point here is that Kerr made the right adjustments.

I noticed that for some reason you are one of those who believed OKC edged GSW. They didn't at all. The same arrogance and unidirectional play that will cost GSW the title was exactly what cost them 3 games against OKC.

I am not saying OKC may not have won at least 2 games especially those games at Chesapeake. But the blow-out scores was as a result of living and dying by the 3. Had GSW (on realizing that it wasn't their night for the 3s) made adjustments, the games would have been like the game 7 against CAVS and would require clutch shooting to nick it.

A good example is the game 5 that GSW won 120-111. OKC out scored GSW from the perimeter but still lost because Curry and the gang switched up.

So people should just die the talk about OKC or whatnot. OKC is a solid team but they needed refereeing help to beat Spurs. And SAS on the other hand, great as they are, had lost 3 times already to GSW in the regular season.

The synopsis is either one of GSW, OKC or SAS will still come out of the West but GSW still edges it. That's why I think it could be a burgeoning rivalry against the CAVS.

As for Kyrie, he is very good on Iso-plays and he had a great series against GSW but now that he has been noticed, let us see how he would play when teams switch up their defense to accommodate him. That's when it matters.

It is easy to play well when you are underestimated. But when teams watch copious tapes of you, your every move, shots, weaknesses etc and device means to stop you, and you still do big things. That's when you have arrived.

The cavs have the east locked down for at least next 2seasons. The only teams DAT WD HV edged dem out are pacers and bulls. And dos 2 are rebuilding.

Forget the raptors and hawks. They WD never beat the cavs.

As for the west, it would remain between golden state and okc . I loved the spurs, but too many things WD work against them. Parker is slower, Green doesn't shoot so well, and mills is just there.

Leornard is good, but he isn't an offensive force like Paul George or Butler.

They shouldnt have gotten Aldridge. He is top 4 power forwards, but his style doesn't suit what we knew the spurs for. They became slower with Aldridge. Maybe it was deliberate as only slowball can give GSW problems.

Truely, GSW has several ways of hurting any team. But they are more dangerous with threes.
Funny enough, I don't even think its their 3's that causes prOblems. Their 3's are just the end product of their system, which are:
1) multiple screens off the ball to force mismatches.
2) starting their offence from high up the arc.

Iv found the solution to that offence and OKC also cracked it.

What u do against them is:

On defence, always anticipate a screen. So u can just it as quickly as possible. But if you fail to, stick with whoever you find yourself with when mismatched.

Its harder and riskier to double team a player from the arc. Its easier to double-team bigs rather than guards.

OKC did very well switching up to guard curry and Klay on perimeter.

What killed OKC where bad shot selections, especially by Westbrook.

Pls OKC should either tame Westbrook or shift him out of point guard.

Philadelphia Sixer's did the same thing with Iverson when they shifted him to shooting-guard and played Eric snow next to him.

To be honest with you, OKC has a chance against GSW if they keep their players, tame Westbrook and get their acts together.

Durant is one of the best natural scorers iv ever seen.

Then I disagree with you on kyrie, he has never been,underestimated.
Hes gonna be top-3 in less than next 2-seasons.
U wd remember i told u this.
He can't be figured out. Its hard to figure pointguards out. They play high up the floor. You can't double team point guards, cos the middle would be opened.

Its gonna be hard to focus on him with a Lebron always next to him.

The only thing that can stop cavs from repeating is keeping Kelvin Love next season and coach lue.

Lue tried, but he didnt run enough offensive plays for cavs. Lue needs to upgrade or they find someone else.

lolawilliams:

WoW. The kind of love I have for iverson and leBron is out of this world, iverson in his time wasnt just all about his braids, kicks crossover and scoring, lemme just say that iverson had an attitute that defined a generation. We've seen players like leBron, durant and great players come out to appreciate is greatness on court, he was athletic as hell and faster than basically anyone then, he had the ability to move around the court and make guys twice his size look foolish, I once watched a clip whereby he crossed over jordan.

But if you won't put him in the top5, there is no way to escape his legacy as one of the greatest point guard who revolitionised that position, he added a radical change to that position. You cant think of that era without putting his name right there with mamba and shaq.

He dominated everyone one he played with and was one of those players just like durant who tried to stick with one organisation for as long as possible until he became desperate to get a ring. Alot of players in this era wldnt do that, leBron cldnt do it, he had to go to miami and came back, its also happening to durant, he needs a ring badly.

But I still feel that most ppl wony put him in the top 5 cause he never had a ring but will put magic johnson who had jabbar in his time. Philly was a weak team then, if he had jabbar in philly then, I know he'll get a ring. He's definitely one of the best gifted scorer and one of the best point guards in NBA history cause despite barely being 6-foot and somewhere between 160-180 lbs, he played as if he wasn't the smallest guy oon the court. I definitely consider him thebest little man to play the game. One cant descredit him he retired without a ring cause he was significantly tge best player in that philly team then. But i'll respect A.I for life

Lool, did you say youre crying?? Hahahaha I know you must b kidding.

don't get me wrong. to me iverson revotionalised the game. I don't think u WD love the man as much as I did/do. I disliked Kobe for years cause they were comparing him to Iverson since they both came in the same year .

I watched the rookie all stars that year and Kobe was no where near Iverson. it stayed that way for next 7 years.

wen I sed Iverson ain't all time top 5, I mean in the position of pointguards the way its meant to be played.

I loved Iverson's attitude, he brought hardcore-rap-attitude to the game. we WD forever remain my favourite point guard. I followed him all the way from georgetown to phily.

make no mistake, Iverson didn't leave philly in search of rings. I think he did for other reasons.

do you know that the last week of Iverson's first season, he made 40-plus points in his last 5 consecutive games? I watched all those games. The world went crazy that very week. it was one of those games he crossed Jordan over.

yeah yeah. I literally shed tears. please don't laff@me.

nairamaniac:


don't get me wrong. to me iverson revotionalised the game. I don't think u WD love the man as much as I did/do. I disliked Kobe for years cause they were comparing him to Iverson since they both came in the same year .

I watched the rookie all stars that year and Kobe was no where near Iverson. it stayed that way for next 7 years.

wen I sed Iverson ain't all time top 5, I mean in the position of pointguards the way its meant to be played.

I loved Iverson's attitude, he brought hardcore-rap-attitude to the game. we WD forever remain my favourite point guard. I followed him all the way from georgetown to phily.

make no mistake, Iverson didn't leave philly in search of rings. I think he did for other reasons.

do you know that the last week of Iverson's first season, he made 40-plus points in his last 5 consecutive games? I watched all those games. The world went crazy that very week. it was one of those games he crossed Jordan over.

yeah yeah. I literally shed tears. please don't laff@me.

Alright, you watched his games verywell in his time, I believe you know somethings that I dont know.. But all the same, iverson is one of the greatest p.g/s.g

Are you a player fan and you just sticked to the idea of leBron bringing a ring to cleveland? Or you support leBron and cavs?

lolawilliams:

Alright, you watched his games verywell in his time, I believe you know somethings that I dont know.. But all the same, iverson is one of the greatest p.g/s.g

Are you a player fan and you just sticked to the idea of leBron bringing a ring to cleveland? Or you support leBron and cavs?

good question cuz m curious too

lolawilliams:

Alright, you watched his games verywell in his time, I believe you know somethings that I dont know.. But all the same, iverson is one of the greatest p.g/s.g

Are you a player fan and you just sticked to the idea of leBron bringing a ring to cleveland? Or you support leBron and cavs?

I'm a big fan of Lebron. I love his intensity and versitality. Lebron is the most versatile player the game ever saw. he has a blend of several alltime greats:

1) Jordan's athlethism, leadership and dunks.
2) iverson's explosion and intensity.
3) magic's passing/playmaking vision.
4) shaq's dominance.
5) Grant hill/ Scotty pippen's all round game.

We have never seen one single player posses the characteristics of several players as much as Lebron does.
his only weakness is his shooting stroke-off-the-dribble and post-moves.

There are currently two other players In his level, Curry and Durant.

To answer your question: I would have just stuck to Lebron for rest of my life, cause he is my kind of player.

but that Guy called Durant deserves a ring also. Durant to me is a more efficient scorer than Kobe. that's to tell you how good he is.
iv never seen a player that tall that shoots/play that way in my life.
closest to him must have been Tmac at that height.

nairamaniac:


The cavs have the east locked down for at least next 2seasons. The only teams DAT WD HV edged dem out are pacers and bulls. And dos 2 are rebuilding.

Forget the raptors and hawks. They WD never beat the cavs.

As for the west, it would remain between golden state and okc . I loved the spurs, but too many things WD work against them. Parker is slower, Green doesn't shoot so well, and mills is just there.

Leornard is good, but he isn't an offensive force like Paul George or Butler.

They shouldnt have gotten Aldridge. He is top 4 power forwards, but his style doesn't suit what we knew the spurs for. They became slower with Aldridge. Maybe it was deliberate as only slowball can give GSW problems.

Truely, GSW has several ways of hurting any team. But they are more dangerous with threes.
Funny enough, I don't even think its their 3's that causes prOblems. Their 3's are just the end product of their system, which are:
1) multiple screens off the ball to force mismatches.
2) starting their offence from high up the arc.

Iv found the solution to that offence and OKC also cracked it.

What u do against them is:

On defence, always anticipate a screen. So u can just it as quickly as possible. But if you fail to, stick with whoever you find yourself with when mismatched.

Its harder and riskier to double team a player from the arc. Its easier to double-team bigs rather than guards.

OKC did very well switching up to guard curry and Klay on perimeter.

What killed OKC where bad shot selections, especially by Westbrook.

Pls OKC should either tame Westbrook or shift him out of point guard.

Philadelphia Sixer's did the same thing with Iverson when they shifted him to shooting-guard and played Eric snow next to him.

To be honest with you, OKC has a chance against GSW if they keep their players, tame Westbrook and get their acts together.

Durant is one of the best natural scorers iv ever seen.

Then I disagree with you on kyrie, he has never been,underestimated.
Hes gonna be top-3 in less than next 2-seasons.
U wd remember i told u this.
He can't be figured out. Its hard to figure pointguards out. They play high up the floor. You can't double team point guards, cos the middle would be opened.


Its gonna be hard to focus on him with a Lebron always next to him.

The only thing that can stop cavs from repeating is keeping Kelvin Love next season and coach lue.

Lue tried, but he didnt run enough offensive plays for cavs. Lue needs to upgrade or they find someone else.

Spurs traditionally do not play fast ball. They have been a team that bases it's attack with ball movements at half court. Aldridge is a wonderful addition to them and only faltered because when their perimeter shots didn't fall against OKC he became the only source of buckets for them and he was worn out. You forget so soon that he dropped 41 and 38 is it in the first 2 games against OKC.

OKC on the other hand were rather fortunate. Their game 2 (albeit deserved) was aided by a bad refereeing decision and bad play by Ginobili in the final seconds. In fact 4 of the 6 games between OKC and SAS were decided by not more than 2pts. If we include the fact that 2 significant refereeing decisions went against SAS in 2 games, then we can say SAS and not OKC deserved to win that series.

Speaking about OKC was it bad shot selection that helped them overturn a 13pt first half deficit to beat GSW ahome in game 1? Or bad shot selection that made them lose a 13pt lead twice in games 6&7 on their way to losing the series? If the answer to all questions is yes, then we can say bad shot selection was the same reason GSW lost 3 games in the series at all. You can't have it one way.

As for Kyrie, I didn't say he was unknown but that defensive schemes were not created to forestall him the way CAVS did for Curry. And that's purely because Kyrie is not the player that wins you a series- Lebron is.

It is the same reason players like Livingston & Green had particularly good games against CAVS especially games 1, 2 and 7 in which Green dropped 28 and 32 in the latter whilst Shaun had 20 in the first.

CAVS essentially made their defense to get Curry off rhythm by shoving him during screens, ramming him at the perimeter, and pushing him off his sweet spots. If those were regular season games refs would have called too many fouls that they would have been forced to switch but as they noticed the calls weren't getting called consistently it fueled them to keep going at it all series long.

We shouldn't be overstating what was seen. Kyrie had 3 good games or at most 4. I think he dropped less than 10pts in game 2 or so. As bad as Curry was touted to be in the series he had no such games.

What remains to be seen is when Kyrie is the man left to deliver the team and when plays are devised by coaches to defend him the way it is with Lebron. That is when you can gauge what a player will turn out to be. If you are in doubt, ask Jordan how many games he won against the bad boys Pistons until Pippen and the NBA helped him.

nairamaniac:


I'm a big fan of Lebron. I love his intensity and versitality. Lebron is the most versatile player the game ever saw. he has a blend of several alltime greats:

1) Jordan's athlethism, leadership and dunks.
2) iverson's explosion and intensity.
3) magic's passing/playmaking vision.
4) shaq's dominance.
5) Grant hill/ Scotty pippen's all round game.

We have never seen one single player posses the characteristics of several players as much as Lebron does.
his only weakness is his shooting stroke-off-the-dribble and post-moves.

There are currently two other players In his level, Curry and Durant.

To answer your question: I would have just stuck to Lebron for rest of my life, cause he is my kind of player.

but that Guy called Durant deserves a ring also. Durant to me is a more efficient scorer than Kobe. that's to tell you how good he is.
iv never seen a player that tall that shoots/play that way in my life.
closest to him must have been Tmac at that height.

K.D personally, I consider him as a great NBA player mainly because of his scoring ability, a good defender and passer. At 27, he has already won 3 scoring titles and 1 MVP. A 6'9 player and can score from practically anywhere on the floor, he's an excellent 3 point shooter, mid range shooter, and can drive to the hoop with ease. I love K.D.

But I dont think K.D staying in okc will get him a ring, I really doubt that, he's either going to gsw or heats. And if that shld happen, cavs better get rid of eithier thompson or love and bring in cousins whos good in defense else the cavs wld be in a big trouble next finals

nairamaniac:


I'm a big fan of Lebron. I love his intensity and versitality. Lebron is the most versatile player the game ever saw. he has a blend of several alltime greats:

1) Jordan's athlethism, leadership and dunks.
2) iverson's explosion and intensity.
3) magic's passing/playmaking vision.
4) shaq's dominance.
5) Grant hill/ Scotty pippen's all round game.

We have never seen one single player posses the characteristics of several players as much as Lebron does.
his only weakness is his shooting stroke-off-the-dribble and post-moves.

There are currently two other players In his level, Curry and Durant.

To answer your question: I would have just stuck to Lebron for rest of my life, cause he is my kind of player.

but that Guy called Durant deserves a ring also. Durant to me is a more efficient scorer than Kobe. that's to tell you how good he is.
iv never seen a player that tall that shoots/play that way in my life.
closest to him must have been Tmac at that height.

I am a lebron fan, but nah, i think you have overhyped him here

1) Jordan's athlethism, leadership and dunks. - He is more athletic than Jordan was, by far. But leadership, no. He is getting there, but if you need to tweet to the outside world to motivate your team, you have some work to do
2) iverson's explosion and intensity. - No, please dont say this again. There has never been another iverson like player in both categories since he left the league. The closest thing to explosiveness was monta ellis in his prime, but he had neither the ball ahndles or the intensity
3) magic's passing/playmaking vision. - he is at least magic's equal in this respect
4) shaq's dominance. - nooo. you think curry would ever try to guard shaq in the post? Lebron is a beast, but nothing like shaq
5) Grant hill/ Scotty pippen's all round game. - I'd say yes, except tha his jumpshot has always been suspect. If he ever gets that down, game over. but he wont

Bottomline, Lebron is a forward-center with deadly defense, great bball iq, stellar passing and decent ball handles. And he can knock down shots if you sag off of him too much.

Eruditor:


Spurs traditionally do not play fast ball. They have been a team that bases it's attack with ball movements at half court. Aldridge is a wonderful addition to them and only faltered because when their perimeter shots didn't fall against OKC he became the only source of buckets for them and he was worn out. You forget so soon that he dropped 41 and 38 is it in the first 2 games against OKC.

OKC on the other hand were rather fortunate. Their game 2 (albeit deserved) was aided by a bad refereeing decision and bad play by Ginobili in the final seconds. In fact 4 of the 6 games between OKC and SAS were decided by not more than 2pts. If we include the fact that 2 significant refereeing decisions went against SAS in 2 games, then we can say SAS and not OKC deserved to win that series.

Speaking about OKC was it bad shot selection that helped them overturn a 13pt first half deficit to beat GSW ahome in game 1? Or bad shot selection that made them lose a 13pt lead twice in games 6&7 on their way to losing the series? If the answer to all questions is yes, then we can say bad shot selection was the same reason GSW lost 3 games in the series at all. You can't have it one way.

As for Kyrie, I didn't say he was unknown but that defensive schemes were not created to forestall him the way CAVS did for Curry. And that's purely because Kyrie is not the player that wins you a series- Lebron is.

It is the same reason players like Livingston & Green had particularly good games against CAVS especially games 1, 2 and 7 in which Green dropped 28 and 32 in the latter whilst Shaun had 20 in the first.

CAVS essentially made their defense to get Curry off rhythm by shoving him during screens, ramming him at the perimeter, and pushing him off his sweet spots. If those were regular season games refs would have called too many fouls that they would have been forced to switch but as they noticed the calls weren't getting called consistently it fueled them to keep going at it all series long.

We shouldn't be overstating what was seen. Kyrie had 3 good games or at most 4. I think he dropped less than 10pts in game 2 or so. As bad as Curry was touted to be in the series he had no such games.

What remains to be seen is when Kyrie is the man left to deliver the team and when plays are devised by coaches to defend him the way it is with Lebron. That is when you can gauge what a player will turn out to be. If you are in doubt, ask Jordan how many games he won against the bad boys Pistons until Pippen and the NBA helped him.

Truely, spurs traditionally based their plays on ball movements from half court as you said. And not transitions. But they used to be faster from those halfcourt plays than they later became.

Let me agree with you that it was a bit of fluke that got OKC past spurs, but faster ballgame and athleticism would most times give okc the edge against spurs, if both Durant and Westbrook are healthy.

To me bad shot selections worked against OKC but not GSW.

Why it used to be easier for GSW to beat teams prior to WCF against OKC was that after several screens set by GSW, there would be mismatches everywhere. And in most cases leaving curry being marked by a center or a big. His marker would hesitate marking him on the perimeter or at least fidget. More often than not, Curry takes advantage of those few seconds of confusion. his new-marker would stay stay further away from him and giving him space to rain 3's on you.

But the playoffs is a different ballgame entirely. you must have noticed that against OKC, whoever found himself with curry or klay even when mismatched stood strong with him and never felt out of place. Steve Adams, Tristan, kelvin love all stood their grounds against Curry to at least disturb his shooting.

Cavs adopted the same pattern and strategy.

I tell people, the secret of GSW aren't their 3-Ball, its their multiple screens and ball movements to force mismatches but end up in 3pointers most times. Cos they have great shooters. normally when guarding a player, your mind should be focused on either blocking or stealing. but against GSW, you have a third problem: the screen at either side of your body. It would always come but its the ability to detect it as quickly as possible. Then skip it. Problem is that the refs don't call enuf moving-screens these days, or else GSW would be guilty of sooooooo many. The whole world knows this.

Kerr adopted these multiple screens/movements from Phil Jackson. The bulls of 90's did it and it was called "TEX WINTERS TRIANGLE". The only difference between GSW set up and the bulls was that the bulls didn't end their plays with 3's.

Phil Jacksons Lakers was more similar to this current GSW, cos they had greater shooters in Hurry, Fisher, Kobe (though voluminous).

Like you sed and I agree, Curry got more attention on defence than kyrie did. But its still gonna be hard for teams to increase their focus on kyrie in the foreseeable future, cause they would always be a Lebron next to him to deal with.

To me, all in all Kyrie played better in the finals than Curry did. He even blocked curry point bland at a point. Kyrie was more defensive than curry thru the series.

Let's be careful people, kyrie may dethrone Curry very soon or at least get close.

Kyrie should/would average 25points-plus consistently within the next 2 years. If you need to know, his role models are scorers like Kobe and wade, and not any past point guards.
He was a scorer in highschool, not a playmaker.

Curry wasn't close to being as good as kyrie when he was 23.


Now talking of the god called Jordan. I didn't read about him or watched his highlights to know bout him and those games. I watched them (on TV though)

It would be blasphemy to say pippen and NBA helped jordan.
Jordan was sooo good and a competitive-freak that his skills rubbed of on pippen. Do you know that after three straight years of pistons knocking the bulls out between 1987 and 1990, Jordan gained 40pounds of muscle before the 1990/91 season? Bros, 40 pounds of muscle in 4 months ain't no joke. He became so strong in between that summer and the rest of the bulls including pippen and grant followed him to become strong.

It was mainly the improved physique by the entire bulls and employment of phil jackson that got them to match teams like the bad boy pistons and newyork as from the 90's. Prior to that, the bulls were just tooo soft.

I remember during one of the regular season games in the 1990/91 season. The bulls for the first time matched up physically against the pistons. for the first time in 3years. They out muscled the pistons. end of that game, pippen. stepped up to a piston player and said "we would meet in the playoffs, but this time it would be different".

The pistons were ruff. The bulls became strong. pippen was a skinny kid wen he came into the league.

Fine, basket ball is a team sport. Every great player needed a side kick.

But no one has ever done it alone as that god called Jordan.

lolawilliams:


K.D personally, I consider him as a great NBA player mainly because of his scoring ability, a good defender and passer. At 27, he has already won 3 scoring titles and 1 MVP. A 6'9 player and can score from practically anywhere on the floor, he's an excellent 3 point shooter, mid range shooter, and can drive to the hoop with ease. I love K.D.

But I dont think K.D staying in okc will get him a ring, I really doubt that, he's either going to gsw or heats. And if that shld happen, cavs better get rid of eithier thompson or love and bring in cousins whos good in defense else the cavs wld be in a big trouble next finals

Glad you recognise the greatness of KD. Trust me he can get a ring in OKC. he doesn't need to go anywhere. rather than kd going somewhere else, they could make adjustments, especially in Westbrook's position and his style of play.
funny enough, OKC has already made those adjustments a bit in Westbrook, but they need to leave it that way more consistently.

victor oladipo is a great addition. he guards the perimeter so well and hes also an explosive kind of player. I saw some of his games and highlights prior to the NBA.
believe me, Durant can win a ring in OKC.

maybe not back to backs or 3peats. but he could.

Talking of love or Thomson, cavs don't need to wait till GSW or Miami gets Durant to trade either of them.

cavs should get rid of love before next season. They can keep tristan. he proved himself for the past two finals. he is still young and would only get better, especially on the boards.

but as for Love, he would always be overshadowed by Lebron and kyrie. And he would never be to Lebron/kyrie what BOSH was to Lebron/wade.

Bosh was much better and stronger.

Meanwhile, who the hell are you?

like you read my mind from wherever you are.
iv always wished cavs goes for Cousins. he's amongst the top-2 centers in the NBA. for cousins, I wouldn't want Cavs to trade love, they should poison him. LOL.

if cavs get cousins, or his type, then we have got a dynasty. but its gonna be hard cos of the CAP. except they trade out two starters.

birdman:


I am a lebron fan, but nah, i think you have overhyped him here

1) Jordan's athlethism, leadership and dunks. - He is more athletic than Jordan was, by far. But leadership, no. He is getting there, but if you need to tweet to the outside world to motivate your team, you have some work to do
2) iverson's explosion and intensity. - No, please dont say this again. There has never been another iverson like player in both categories since he left the league. The closest thing to explosiveness was monta ellis in his prime, but he had neither the ball ahndles or the intensity
3) magic's passing/playmaking vision. - he is at least magic's equal in this respect
4) shaq's dominance. - nooo. you think curry would ever try to guard shaq in the post? Lebron is a beast, but nothing like shaq
5) Grant hill/ Scotty pippen's all round game. - I'd say yes, except tha his jumpshot has always been suspect. If he ever gets that down, game over. but he wont

Bottomline, Lebron is a forward-center with deadly defense, great bball iq, stellar passing and decent ball handles. And he can knock down shots if you sag off of him too much.

Lebron may not be IDENTICAL to all those 5 characteristics we mentioned. but he is at least either them or very close to them.

Lebron is not really that more athletic than Jordan. This is subjective though.
Lebrons leadership qualities didn't show in Miami because he left that role for wade. but he showed I'm cavs, cos he's the eldest amongst them and the cavs belongs to him.

I define and compare athleticism to the player's respective eras. Jordan was more athletic to his era than Lebron is to this era. Lebron hardly goes in for drives if you the opposing team stuffs their paints, except on transitions. Jordan, from no where would drive in even if there are 3 players in there.

Julius Ervin invented athleticism in basketball, but Jordan picked it up and commercialised it.

There was a saying back then that Jordan spent more time in the air than he did on land.

check this out, the other players that did more wonders as dunkers after Jordan were all bigger or taller or stronger than Jordan. Shawn kemp, Vince carter, Lebron james. and none of these 3 were as good in scoring than Jordan.

the only dunker-cum-scorer like Jordan was Kobe.

Lebron may not be as explosive as Iverson, but he is damn close. not at attacking as Iverson. but the quick bust/drive to the rim like AI.
Don't mention monti Ellis here o. he was good but was just a big fish in a small bowl in his golden states and Milwaukee. just like how Love was in Minnesota. was good no doubt, but can't compare his bust to Lebron. its like Lebron makes it look soooo easy, hence you taking him/it for granted (seeing him finish).
I didn't overhype him at all.

and yes, I reiterate, Lebron has shaq's dominance or closest to him.
did you just downplay lebron's dominance by saying curry try to guard him? curry can only try, but can't guard him one on one. There are only few players DAT can guard Lebron more consistently and those are kawhi and Iggy.

what usually fails Lebron is his shooting stroke and post-moves. Lebron needs to concentrate for a longer time while facing the rim most times, before jumpshooting. he's doesn't have the skill to back his marker and the rim b4 turning for his shots like Kobe, dirk and Jordan. These 3 players need just one-tenth of a second to face the rim after posting on you for several seconds.

you forget that Lebron is a small forward. Do you see the size and strength difference between Lebron and other small-forwards in the league? KD, Draymond, Iggy, Kawhi, etc etc. Lebron is a center in the mist of these guys. but he's more agile and athletic than all of them put together. That's unfair and its not even funny.

your last paragraph showed that you kind of agreed with me that Lebron has all those things I mentioned in him.

he's forward-center in the mist of players that are smaller than him. with a point guard mentality, great basketball I.q like them Jason Kidd.

versatile like pippen/grant hill both on defence and offence.

no player besides Lebron in the history of the game has picked up the best of at least 5 great players in one body.

nairamaniac:


Truely, spurs traditionally based their plays on ball movements from half court as you said. And not transitions. But they used to be faster from those halfcourt plays than they later became.

Let me agree with you that it was a bit of fluke that got OKC past spurs, but faster ballgame and athleticism would most times give okc the edge against spurs, if both Durant and Westbrook are healthy.

To me bad shot selections worked against OKC but not GSW.

Why it used to be easier for GSW to beat teams prior to WCF against OKC was that after several screens set by GSW, there would be mismatches everywhere. And in most cases leaving curry being marked by a center or a big. His marker would hesitate marking him on the perimeter or at least fidget. More often than not, Curry takes advantage of those few seconds of confusion. his new-marker would stay stay further away from him and giving him space to rain 3's on you.

But the playoffs is a different ballgame entirely. you must have noticed that against OKC, whoever found himself with curry or klay even when mismatched stood strong with him and never felt out of place. Steve Adams, Tristan, kelvin love all stood their grounds against Curry to at least disturb his shooting.

Cavs adopted the same pattern and strategy.

I tell people, the secret of GSW aren't their 3-Ball, its their multiple screens and ball movements to force mismatches but end up in 3pointers most times. Cos they have great shooters. normally when guarding a player, your mind should be focused on either blocking or stealing. but against GSW, you have a third problem: the screen at either side of your body. It would always come but its the ability to detect it as quickly as possible. Then skip it. Problem is that the refs don't call enuf moving-screens these days, or else GSW would be guilty of sooooooo many. The whole world knows this.

Kerr adopted these multiple screens/movements from Phil Jackson. The bulls of 90's did it and it was called "TEX WINTERS TRIANGLE". The only difference between GSW set up and the bulls was that the bulls didn't end their plays with 3's.

Phil Jacksons Lakers was more similar to this current GSW, cos they had greater shooters in Hurry, Fisher, Kobe (though voluminous).

Like you sed and I agree, Curry got more attention on defence than kyrie did. But its still gonna be hard for teams to increase their focus on kyrie in the foreseeable future, cause they would always be a Lebron next to him to deal with.

To me, all in all Kyrie played better in the finals than Curry did. He even blocked curry point bland at a point. Kyrie was more defensive than curry thru the series.

Let's be careful people, kyrie may dethrone Curry very soon or at least get close.

Kyrie should/would average 25points-plus consistently within the next 2 years. If you need to know, his role models are scorers like Kobe and wade, and not any past point guards.
He was a scorer in highschool, not a playmaker.

Curry wasn't close to being as good as kyrie when he was 23.


Now talking of the god called Jordan. I didn't read about him or watched his highlights to know bout him and those games. I watched them (on TV though)

It would be blasphemy to say pippen and NBA helped jordan.
Jordan was sooo good and a competitive-freak that his skills rubbed of on pippen. Do you know that after three straight years of pistons knocking the bulls out between 1987 and 1990, Jordan gained 40pounds of muscle before the 1990/91 season? Bros, 40 pounds of muscle in 4 months ain't no joke. He became so strong in between that summer and the rest of the bulls including pippen and grant followed him to become strong.

It was mainly the improved physique by the entire bulls and employment of phil jackson that got them to match teams like the bad boy pistons and newyork as from the 90's. Prior to that, the bulls were just tooo soft.

I remember during one of the regular season games in the 1990/91 season. The bulls for the first time matched up physically against the pistons. for the first time in 3years. They out muscled the pistons. end of that game, pippen. stepped up to a piston player and said "we would meet in the playoffs, but this time it would be different".

The pistons were ruff. The bulls became strong. pippen was a skinny kid wen he came into the league.

Fine, basket ball is a team sport. Every great player needed a side kick.

But no one has ever done it alone as that god called Jordan.

1. Curry made most his 3s all playoffs against big players especially Love and Tristan in the CAVS series. There are some details that will skip over a fan especially when your team ends up winning the game. It is smaller players that give Curry hesitation in releasing his shots and that's because he likes to shoot off the dribble and with smaller players who can stay close, it gets harder. That's why he hesitated to shoot over Westbrook and Kyrie in the last 2 series.

So don't be obfuscated by the last shot against Cavs where Love didn't buy the 4pt play Curry was aiming for. I am sure you know Curry shot 10 3s in the last 2 games against the Cavs. Please come back and tell us who was marking him when he made those shots. I am waiting.

2. It is easier to focus on Kyrie than Lebron because Kyrie is not unmarkable. With Lebron, if you ensure his jump shots don't work in any game, you have taken out most of the danger he can do to you. Because nobody can consistently prevent Bron from going to the rim, but Bron cannot take the beatings he will get all series. That's why he needs his jumpshots.

Kyrie has very good layups but that works best in iso-plays. The strength of Kyrie's game is his midrange jumpers which he tends to make with great consistency, but Kyrie is a streak shooter. If his shots don't drop in a rhythm, they won't drop all game.

3. As for the legendary paintbrush you are coloring Kyrie with, please pipe down. Kyrie is phenomenal at age 24. That he will improve is probably not in question. The question is in what angle? His 3pt % is tanking and his FG % dipped as well this season. For the volume of shots Curry takes and drives to the rim, both his numbers didn't dip, and this is a 29 year old who should have peaked 3 seasons ago. So you'd need to convince me that Kyrie will get better at shooting 3pt shots from here on, because I do not believe he will.

Also, age 23 is the point Curry had his recurrent injuries and surgeries. If I am not mistaken, he didn't play more than 27 regular season games that season. Kyrie hasn't had a season in which he played less than 45 regular season games, so he has been more relatively healthy than Curry when we compare what they were at certain ages.

You also have to realise that until Kerr came, Curry was not the primary scorer of his team, so if you are using ppg to rate them at similar ages, you'd already be amiss.

The thing is, I have seen you use words like "Greater shooters" in referring to Horry, Kobe and Fischer and I cringed. Players whose 3 pts all career will be less than what Curry did in just one season. Or you think any of those players shoot better than Klay? LOL.

Yes Kyrie had a better finals series particularly games 5 and 7. I used the term particularly because his team NEEDED him to be big in those games and he delivered. Curry didn't need to be anything in games 1&2 because they blew Cavs off the building in both games. So his 34 combined points in those games were insignificant. Curry was needed most in game 7 and that's exactly when he did not show up. So kudos to Kyrie for his 10/23 (26pts) and Curry's 6/19 (17pts). But saying Kyrie was more defensive because of a block is funny. I did see Curry steal the ball from Kyrie atleast 2ce and in one instance, refs called a foul. Everyone agreed the call was terrible and that was on Curry's way to getting 6 fouls in game 6. I do also remember Curry blocking a taller player in JR Smith in game 7, and finishing the resultant fast break on Love.

4. Seeing that my post is already too long, I won't even spend that much time on Jordan. If you said you watched those games in real time, perhaps you would have known that part of the "Jordan Rules" was to keep Jordan driving from the byline so he would be rammed and blocked. Isaiah Thomas clearly stated that what changed in 1991 was the NBA began calling fouls for those things on Jordan and as such players were fouling out whilst he was knocking his resultant free throws. So teams had to switch up.

Also, Jordan became less selfish (which was a weakness Chuck Daily and his pistons had noticed and exploited) and started trusting his teammates especially Pippen more, so the Jordan rules eventually stopped working.

If some of us don't have present evidence to buttress some of these points, you'd have changed the whole narrative to tell us Jordan never missed a shot. Even that "flu game" people keep talking about has been disproved. Jordan was hung over. But that's talk for another day. He is still the GOAT.

SIRcumalot:

then really only mavs fans should make the joke that leaves what ? only you donlittle on this thread.

bron has been waiting for a chance to exorcise this particular demon but the mavs just don't like moving pass the first round.

Which demon you wan exorcise with 38 year old Jason Kidd and Dirk, JET and Shawn Marion pushing 33 and 34. That team was too old to make another title run. Just like the 06 Heat

Donlittle:
Thats one heck of a finals run, beating 3 All stars. To me, he humbled the heck out of lebron. Wonder how many team won a ring with just one time? mam, Dude was dropping 40 on Okc, Lakers and co. Man, how time flies.

I'm just happy he won a ring after the 06 debacle. I would cheer for whichever team he chooses to join. For me he is top 2 all-time at his position. With a little more help he would have won even more rings

nairamaniac:


Lebron may not be IDENTICAL to all those 5 characteristics we mentioned. but he is at least either them or very close to them.

Lebron is not really that more athletic than Jordan. This is subjective though.
Lebrons leadership qualities didn't show in Miami because he left that role for wade. but he showed I'm cavs, cos he's the eldest amongst them and the cavs belongs to him.

I define and compare athleticism to the player's respective eras. Jordan was more athletic to his era than Lebron is to this era. Lebron hardly goes in for drives if you the opposing team stuffs their paints, except on transitions. Jordan, from no where would drive in even if there are 3 players in there.

Julius Ervin invented athleticism in basketball, but Jordan picked it up and commercialised it.

There was a saying back then that Jordan spent more time in the air than he did on land.

check this out, the other players that did more wonders as dunkers after Jordan were all bigger or taller or stronger than Jordan. Shawn kemp, Vince carter, Lebron james. and none of these 3 were as good in scoring than Jordan.

the only dunker-cum-scorer like Jordan was Kobe.

Lebron may not be as explosive as Iverson, but he is damn close. not at attacking as Iverson. but the quick bust/drive to the rim like AI.
Don't mention monti Ellis here o. he was good but was just a big fish in a small bowl in his golden states and Milwaukee. just like how Love was in Minnesota. was good no doubt, but can't compare his bust to Lebron. its like Lebron makes it look soooo easy, hence you taking him/it for granted (seeing him finish).
I didn't overhype him at all.

and yes, I reiterate, Lebron has shaq's dominance or closest to him.
did you just downplay lebron's dominance by saying curry try to guard him? curry can only try, but can't guard him one on one. There are only few players DAT can guard Lebron more consistently and those are kawhi and Iggy.

what usually fails Lebron is his shooting stroke and post-moves. Lebron needs to concentrate for a longer time while facing the rim most times, before jumpshooting. he's doesn't have the skill to back his marker and the rim b4 turning for his shots like Kobe, dirk and Jordan. These 3 players need just one-tenth of a second to face the rim after posting on you for several seconds.

you forget that Lebron is a small forward. Do you see the size and strength difference between Lebron and other small-forwards in the league? KD, Draymond, Iggy, Kawhi, etc etc. Lebron is a center in the mist of these guys. but he's more agile and athletic than all of them put together. That's unfair and its not even funny.

your last paragraph showed that you kind of agreed with me that Lebron has all those things I mentioned in him.
no player besides Lebron in the history of the game has picked up the best of at least 5 great players in one body.

I agree with most of what you wrote but let me add on a few points.

What M.J did has not really been mirrored by anyone in this era. MJ was capable of more than just soaring dunks. He was an artist in the air. Changing directions, manipulating his body and the ball in a matter of seconds, we have not seen anything like it since he left the league. Like you rightly said LeBron is more of a fastbreak dunker. M.J would finish by his lonesome and with the grace of a swan. Its not even close

If M.J had LeBron's size. Ohh Jehovah! we are talking about 8 rings at least

Has LeBron been dominant yes but prime Shaq you had to foul. There was literally nothing else you could do. I have seen smaller guys shut LeBron down in a playoff series in his prime no be once no be twice. Jimmy Butler did it as recently as last year (I'd omit Iggy cos we can say he had no help for last year's series) however in terms of dominance I don't agree at all. For instance people look at the rebounding numbers and blocks as proof of all round dominance but I laugh because at 6'8 this ninja is taller than their starting Center so what else is expected

nairamaniac:

now, you talked about Jordan coming at the right time of TV, marketing, shoes and novelty.

Let me tell you bout that god called Michael Jordan. Those things didn't make him become what he is. He made those things. if not for Jordan, none of those things would be what they are 2day.

I watched all Jordan tapes from the very beginning:
Jordan's playground.
Come fly with me,
Above and beyound, every single one of them. you just name it.

I even read his books.

Basketball became great because of Jordan.
before Jordan came into the scene, magic and bird were dominating. Isaiah was bit close. but all these guys played basketball on the ground. Jordan took the game to the air.


Jordan was a fighter. I watched all Hus finals. He never let anyone even get to game-7 and you have no idea how hard that was.

The jazz of 98 had no reason to loose to the bulls if not for Jordan. jazz was by far the better team .

I also saw the flu-game. Jordan was the sickest man on the court but he was playing 1 against 5 Utah jazz players.

There were some playoff matches that the bulls had no business knocking out the opposing team, but Jordan single handedly turned destiny.

Can u imagine the bulls sweeping 96 Orlando magic team? That team had two or 3 allstars. And had gotten to the finals the previous year.

Jordan whooped eastern teams to get to the finals. and back then, the east was so strong.

saying all this now is just nostalgic and brings tears of memories out of my eyes.

You really need to school LeBron ninjas on my Twitter about M.J. Talmbout how LeBron has the same number of rings and more Finals apps at 31. Let's even ignore their poor knowledge of simple math (M.J was 30 when he won his 3rd ring and was only 9 years in the league compared to Lebron's 13)

Is beating up the Nets, Knicks. Bobcats only to lose to geriatric Mavs and Spurs in the Finals even with the assistance of Wade and Bosh truly better than getting beat by 2 (Celtics, Pistons) teams who had 5 rings between them with an offensively challenged Pippen as his 2nd best player?

Eruditor:

If you are in doubt, ask Jordan how many games he won against the bad boys Pistons until Pippen and the NBA helped him.

I won't even spend that much time on Jordan. If you said you watched those games in real time, perhaps you would have known that part of the "Jordan Rules" was to keep Jordan driving from the byline so he would be rammed and blocked. Isaiah Thomas clearly stated that what changed in 1991 was the NBA began calling fouls for those things on Jordan and as such players were fouling out whilst he was knocking his resultant free throws. So teams had to switch up.
Also, Jordan became less selfish (which was a weakness Chuck Daily and his pistons had noticed and exploited) and started trusting his teammates especially Pippen more, so the Jordan rules eventually stopped working.
If some of us don't have present evidence to buttress some of these points, you'd have changed the whole narrative to tell us Jordan never missed a shot. Even that "flu game" people keep talking about has been disproved. Jordan was hung over. But that's talk for another day. He is still the GOAT.

Lol. Pippen was present for all the previous losses so I doubt his impact was as profound as you suggest. The Pistons were the best team in the league at the time but they were also the dirtiest. This is basketball not UFC/MMA. They were the most heavily fined team in the league and their style of play was unsustainable. The game evolved and left them behind. I would not take the opinion of a salty Isiah Thomas serious anyway he is coincidentally from the CHI and was clearly mad at all the love M.J was getting. Evidence suggests that the Bulls simply got better each year. They lost 4-1, 4-2 and 4-3 respectively all the while being the lower seed. Heck there was a year they were 0-12 in the regular season vs the Cavs and Pistons and finished 6th only to get to the playoffs and upset the Cavs. The Bulls peaked the Pistons plateaued

Where did the flu game get disproved btw? Haba who dey feed you this zobo? What are the odds M.J would get wasted the night before a pivotal Game 5 on the road in Goddamn Utah of all places? We all know M.J's vice and its never been alcohol. And as a drinking man myself I can tell you for a fact that mere watching M.J's game and body language an inebriated person is incapable of that.

A40:

Lol. Pippen was present for all the previous losses so I doubt his impact was as profound as you suggest. The Pistons were the best team in the league at the time but they were also the dirtiest. This is basketball not UFC/MMA. They were the most heavily fined team in the league and their style of play was unsustainable. The game evolved and left them behind. I would not take the opinion of a salty Isiah Thomas serious anyway he is coincidentally from the CHI and was clearly mad at all the love M.J was getting. Evidence suggests that the Bulls simply got better each year. They lost 4-1, 4-2 and 4-3 respectively all the while being the lower seed. Heck there was a year they were 0-12 in the regular season vs the Cavs and Pistons and finished 6th only to get to the playoffs and upset the Cavs. The Bulls peaked the Pistons plateaued

Where did the flu game get disproved btw? Haba who dey feed you this zobo? What are the odds M.J would get wasted the night before a pivotal Game 5 on the road in Goddamn Utah of all places? We all know M.J's vice and its never been alcohol. And as a drinking man myself I can tell you for a fact that mere watching M.J's game and body language an inebriated person is incapable of that.

I agree that Bulls got better as the Pistons plateaued. I agree that M.J gained body mass and got tougher. I also agree that the Pistons were a dirty team but I think the consensus by vets and even seasoned journalists was that M.J began to trust his teammates more.

I. Thomas for all his saltiness said they knew MJ was very competitive and used it to their advantage all those times. That each time he tried to drive and you forced him to one direction, he still obstinately tried to go towards that very direction. If you forced him to attempt shots more instead of lay ups, he tried all the more to force his lay ups and in doing so,he forgot to pass the ball.

In 1991 when they first beat the Pistons in the playoffs, Jordan began to move the ball a lot more when he was cornered and it gave way for a player like Pippen to contribute more significantly.

As for the "flu game" I have watched a documentary and all parties involved seemed to easily disprove the flu theory. The 2 excuses that seemed more plausible was him being hungover or that he had food poisoning.

A former body guard of his said he ordered bad pizza very late on the eve of the game and that it was very plausible that the delivery guy who brought the pizza knew Jordan was in that room and may have tried to sell him something rancid to affect his game.

Whatever the case was, Jordan had a long history of gambling and partying before games. Even Magic said so during the 92 Olympics in Barcelona. That Jordan will smoke, drink and sleep late before big games and still drop 40. So it was very easy to believe the inebriated story.

lolawilliams:

I really want spain to win it all. I hope durant stays in okc and get that cabinet post offered to him by oklahoma governor., I have a feeling he wld stay in okc

Lola seems ur Spain has crashed out of the EURO 2016........hope u watched the match

nairamaniac:


Glad you recognise the greatness of KD. Trust me he can get a ring in OKC. he doesn't need to go anywhere. rather than kd going somewhere else, they could make adjustments, especially in Westbrook's position and his style of play.
funny enough, OKC has already made those adjustments a bit in Westbrook, but they need to leave it that way more consistently.

victor oladipo is a great addition. he guards the perimeter so well and hes also an explosive kind of player. I saw some of his games and highlights prior to the NBA.
believe me, Durant can win a ring in OKC.

maybe not back to backs or 3peats. but he could.

Talking of love or Thomson, cavs don't need to wait till GSW or Miami gets Durant to trade either of them.

cavs should get rid of love before next season. They can keep tristan. he proved himself for the past two finals. he is still young and would only get better, especially on the boards.

but as for Love, he would always be overshadowed by Lebron and kyrie. And he would never be to Lebron/kyrie what BOSH was to Lebron/wade.

Bosh was much better and stronger.

Meanwhile, who the hell are you?

like you read my mind from wherever you are.
iv always wished cavs goes for Cousins. he's amongst the top-2 centers in the NBA. for cousins, I wouldn't want Cavs to trade love, they should poison him. LOL.

if cavs get cousins, or his type, then we have got a dynasty. but its gonna be hard cos of the CAP. except they trade out two starters.

I really like cousins style of game, i just wish cavs can go for him and get rid of love, he avg 7pts in finals when we needed him most, or i don't know if the concussion had took his confidence. Mayb we can leave keep T.T, he might grow into a potential dynasty. But for us to get someone like cousins, we need to trade love, we got the highest payroll in NBA already, we'ld hve to trade love for cousins

Derrickfresh:
Lola seems ur Spain has crashed out of the EURO 2016........hope u watched the match

lool. spain fvcked up big time, i didn't watch it. Now it's either Germany, Italy or france

But i hope Italy gets the cup.

smooshCHN, mizzzbeee, eruditor
Dwight howard turned down his $23m, pay $25M and take him na

kingsilly:
Mizzzbeee and other goons, make Una leave whiteside for me Nahh, i no give

Lool. The Heat and their fans weren't thinking about lloyalty when they were paying a good player like him under a million dollars for the last two years, you can pay him so let him leave.

He should come to cavs sef

lolawilliams:

Lool. The Heat and their fans weren't thinking about lloyalty when they were paying a good player like him under a million dollars for the last two years, you can pay him so let him leave.

He should come to cavs sef

Lola no play that kind play oooo, whiteside Go Cavs I quit Bball, I just need durant, pat Riley Pls do the needful

lolawilliams:

lool. spain fvcked up big time, i didn't watch it. Now it's either Germany, Italy or france

But i hope Italy gets the cup.

Taaaarh, my Boy Ronaldo and Portugal will lift the Euro

kingsilly:


Taaaarh, my Boy Ronaldo and Portugal will lift the Euro

I also want ronaldo to lift it, but that isn't strong as italy, france and Germany.

kingsilly:


Lola no play that kind play oooo, whiteside Go Cavs I quit Bball, I just need durant, pat Riley Pls do the needful

Why can't you pay whiteside to stay, cause he really helped the heats this past season, and i believe if he had played game7 against raptors, heats wld hve won the game. it would hve been CAVS raptors.
Riley get sense, if durant signs with the heats, he'ld release whiteside but if not, he'ld keep him. I feel that's what he's trying to do.

lolawilliams:

I really like cousins style of game, i just wish cavs can go for him and get rid of love, he avg 7pts in finals when we needed him most, or i don't know if the concussion had took his confidence. Maybe we can leave keep T.T, he might grow into a potential dynasty. But for us to get someone like cousins, we need to trade love, we got the highest payroll in NBA already, we'ld hve to trade love for cousins

You just paid Tristan Thompson last year and paid big money, there's no sense in getting Cousins since they both play the same position and are as good as the other. You need another Power Forward not a Center.

America likes too much drama. I never bought the Flu Game drama

SmooshCHN:
You just paid Tristan Thompson last year and paid big money, there's no sense in getting Cousins since they both play the same position and are as good as the other. You need another Power Forward not a Center.

They both play center and power forward, T.T is just 6'9,he'll play power forward and cousins is 6'11, center wld be great for him, he'll put more radical change to the position that what T.T is doing..

lolawilliams:

They both play center and power forward, T.T is just 6'9,he'll play power forward and cousins is 6'11, center wld be great for him, he'll put more radical change to the position that what T.T is doing..

Cousins doesn't do anything different from what Tristan Thompson does. They both don't have range, grab offensive and defensive rebound as primary role and set picks. Unlike when you have Love and T.T where love gives you that flexibility. You can find someone else like him but Cousins won't cut it. You can't have two guys doing the same thing on the floor. Cousins is like the only big thing in Sacramento after they sent off Isaiah Thomas. I'm sure he's not going anywhere.

lolawilliams:
smooshCHN, mizzzbeee, eruditor

Dwight howard turned down his $23m, pay $25M and take him na

Naa, the guy is a mental midget. I want someone who believes he can win.