SmooshCHN:
We're basically saying the same thing except that you think chasing Durant is stupid. KD knowing the Warriors always wanted him and coming after him now knows it isn't stupid. He also wants to be on the Warriors What can we do when a Warrior wants to join fellow Warriors

Bro k.D has been in new york for over a week now, looks like he'ld be going to the knicks. God wont let him come to gsw

nairamaniac:
Well, what can I say? U obviously pay more attention to the details and every data of the Stats more than I do. Maybe that's y lolawilliams crowned u da MVP.

But I think u may be a bit wrong bout Curry. More often dan not, he usually beats taller players with dribbles and not shots over them, wenever they guard him beyond the arc, except at clutch moments.
Steven Adams gave him some problems on shooting beyond the arc.
Its hard to stick it all up to one player marking curry all thru a game or set of games, becos the way GSW plays. There are too many screens that always changes curry's primary defender. U can't stick it up to one player.

2) I beg to differ on kyrie being easier to mark than Lebron. Its easier to mark a point guard one on one than a strong forward like Lebron. But believe me, its much easier to set up an entire team to mark a Lebron who can't shoot efficiently from the outside than setting up your team to mark a kyrie at the perimeter.

All the marking-team needs to do against Lebron is stuff their paint against Lebron. So that he ends most of his moves with layups, rather than dunks.

Hope you know Lebron isnt good in ending his moves with layups compared to dunks. Kyrie, harden and curry are much better at that. And that's one edge Jordan had over everyone else. As good as Jordan was with dunks, his layup, double-pumps and finger-rolls were even prettier.

Don't let this last regular deceive you by calling kyrie a "steak shooter". He got back from injury after 6months and didn't find his rhythm till playoffs.

His 3-point% only tanked due to loss of form from injury he suffered. He wd never be as efficient as curry, but he's also very good, would get open looks and create his own shots off dribbles on both 2's and 3's.

I totally agree with you that injuries slowed down curry's early development. Iv always known that. Same with him not being their primary scorer. I'm not using statistics to compare and judge this. Its like you are a Stats-man. I'm using raw-talent of what I see with my eyes. Curry didn't have supernatural ball handles and movements in his rookie/early years compared to kyrie.

Those thing came to Curry after several years of practice. And they all came together in like his 5th year. Meanwyl it all showed in kyrie from his rookie year.
I don't think any rookie has ever had such handles as curry in the history of the NBA besides Iverson and maybe Stephon Marbury. That's why Stephon Marbury was called "THE QUESTION" and Iverson was called "THE ANSWER".

All in all, kyrie was far better as a rookie than curry was. Kyrie was touched by God after like 4years due to his hardwork and talent.

Let me make something else clear, when I mentioned Horry, Kobe and Fisher being great shooters, I wasn't comparing them to curry or klay. Curry is the best shooter the NBA has ever seen. And to me he has brought something new to the NBA which is shooting-off-the-dribble with such quick release.
But those guys I mentioned were good for the Lakers. They all were great for Phil jackson's Lakers and they did it for a 3peat. Take nothing away from those guys.

In those games u said GSW didn't need Curry to be big, I actually saw it more of him not playing well from the very beginning, but bench players like Livingston and Barbosa showed up early from the very first half.


MY RESPONSE CONTINUES IN MY VERY NEXT POST.
I NEVER KNEW THERE WAS A LIMIT TO WORDS YOU CAN POST ON NAIRALAND TILL TODAY.

I see you are a Kyrie lover and really he is good. The thing about ceilings is, you expect a player with a so-called higher ceiling to get better at other areas of his game. That's how you can project he will get better. That's why I showed you 2 key areas of his game that are dipping. I could have added his steals or assists. Those are the metrics that PGs should be assessed by and if Kyrie is not improving there- he may not have the higher ceiling. That's what I am putting out.

The Jordan the NBA got to see was not better than Worthy in North Carolina. So when a player improves in his handles it doesn't mean he is less than someone who already had it. That's another area you need to consider in order not to present a lopsided argument. The improvement we expect Kyrie to make to solidify your appraisal of him is he doesn't just need to be the best PG but the MVP of the NBA at least twice. So the clock is ticking.

There is not much to add. I think the evidence supports the claim that Kyrie is indeed a streak shooter. Apart from that, it is also beyond stats. If you watched the games against OKC you'd see copious occasions that Curry hit his 3s on Ibaka, Adams, Kante and KD. I mean even Curry joked that Tall players marking him around the arc is barbecue chicken.

And lastly, you said greatER shooters and mentioned Kobe, Fischer and Horry. The "er" made it a comparison and that's why I took exceptions to the statement. Obviously those players are greats especially Kobe who is top 7 to me. Nobody can possibly denigrate him With a straight face. Least of all, me.

nairamaniac:


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In those games u said GSW didn't need Curry to be big, I actually saw it more of him not playing well from the very beginning, but bench players like Livingston and Barbosa showed up early from the very first half.

I didn't use one block to place kyrie over curry defensively. I only emphasized with that. Im a pointguard, tho not professionally. I see other things beyond having good steals-stats when it comes to defence: Quick feet, shuffles, balance wide open legs, skipping whoever screens you on either side of your body, staying close. And kyrie showed all these things on defence more than curry.

Yeah, I watched Jordan's games on real time. I also know bout the Jordan rules. Not just I watching them, I recorded most of his matches, studied dem, paused dem, slow motioned them and all that. You are so on point on all you said bout the Jordan rules, pistons and Chuck Daly. I respect you for that.

I never said or gave an impression that Jordan nevertheless u missed a shot. You must really be a new-school-bie basketball fan. Eruditor, back then no one really took note of things like percentages as much as they do now. Jordan averaged less than 33% field-goals or about that, in his first 8 years in the league and no one ever noticed or criticised him for it.
Its this era of twitter and computer-age you all wanna see percentages everywhere after each match. That's why Iverson would always be my most beloved pointguard even tho I know he's not the best conventional point guard ever, cause I don't even wanna remember his percentages/efficiency. Cos back then he himself wasn't conscious of it or selecting his shots like all then Curry are doing today.

I judge players with their eras, their rules and what matters to their fans at their own eras. Believe me, I would take Iverson to his era anytime above curry to this era anytime any day.
All I know is that iverson gave me one of my best years of basketball and you have no idea how he influenced me and his era.

Please my Oga what do you mean bout "people talking bout that flugame and it being disproved, hung up and all that"? That game can only be disproved to those that never watched it but later grew up to hear bout it from analysts and social medias.

With all due, respect no let me and you fight here o (LOL). I watched that FLUGAME (live) thru the night. It was one of those matches I stayed awake in the following afternoon to see it on all sport centers on ESPN the following day to see it again and again.

Please did you watch that game? Please you need to answer with honesty. Did you watch it?

Jordan was deadsick. Even his sidekick(pippen) was having a bad day.

And guess what? One against One, Utah had more fire power than bulls. All the bulls had was JORDAN who played like Kratos from GOD OF WAR.

Please don't blasphem. JORDAN is a god in human skin.

1. I didn't say that Curry played well in those games but that his underwhelming game didn't matter because his team did the business. If Heats had beaten Mavs in 2011 people won't have noticed Brons abscence in game 6.

2. See feet shuffling, skipping screens? They are means to an end. The end is weighed by seeing steals or blocks. So the way to tell who was doing what is to see the end product. That's why some people are constantly called out when they underestimate Curry's defending. Chances are PGs are not judged on how many blocks they get per game as it is not quotidian to see such.

3. I did not watch the MJ vs Jazz game in real time as I am not that old. LOL. But I watched it on YouTube as those games are still available. Nobody and I mean nobody has said Jordan was not the goat. The point is that one can watch a game via a blue screen and swear that every one they saw was blue in color.

The point is, the narrative concerning Jordan's greatness is sometimes skewed and overreaching. Doesn't take anything from his shine. I believe I called him the GOAT still.

lolawilliams:

Bro k.D has been in new york for over a week now, looks like he'ld be going to the knicks. God wont let him come to gsw

KD goes to the Knicks I go chop my hand. Player wants Rings and they are telling me Knicks. Lol. That's career suicide.

Eruditor:


KD goes to the Knicks I go chop my hand. Player wants Rings and they are telling me Knicks. Lol. That's career suicide.

Lool, porginzis, melo, K.D, d.rose. Lool, that combination makes playoffs, if not careful, it can make the finals o

lolawilliams:

Lool, porginzis, melo, K.D, d.rose. Lool, that combination makes playoffs, if not careful, it can make the finals o

Derrick rose is glass

lolawilliams:

Bro k.D has been in new york for over a week now, looks like he'ld be going to the knicks. God wont let him come to gsw

He with Butler, Klay Thompson and DeMar Derozan went to pay kids in a street surprise visit.. Nothing more

lolawilliams:

Lool, porginzis, melo, K.D, d.rose. Lool, that combination makes playoffs, if not careful, it can make the finals o

Porz had a great rookie year, if he does not suffer the dreaded sophomore slump then I would be sold on him.

I believe he is talented with good prospects especially considering he is European trained, Euro players are better grounded about the fundamentals and mental discipline required of the game.

Hey, did I congratulate u on your championship yet? Here is to you Lola and other Cav fanatics on this thread, well deserved.

Donlittle:
Derrick rose is glass

Lool. He isnt healthy at alll. Im sure thats the reason why bulls traded him.

Roland17:


Porz had a great rookie year, if he does not suffer the dreaded sophomore slump then I would be sold on him.

I believe he is talented with good prospects especially considering he is European trained, Euro players are better grounded about the fundamentals and mental discipline required of the game.


Hey, did I congratulate u on your championship yet? Here is to you Lola and other Cav fanatics on this thread, well deserved.

He had a really great season with the new york knicks. For him to avg 14.3 points,7.3rebounds, 1.3 assists and 1.9 blocks per game, thats so nice for a rookie.

As for the ring we won, its still a dream . Thanks

nairamaniac:

I never said or gave an impression that Jordan nevertheless u missed a shot. You must really be a new-school-bie basketball fan. Eruditor, back then no one really took note of things like percentages as much as they do now. Jordan averaged less than 33% field-goals or about that, in his first 8 years in the league and no one ever noticed or criticised him for it.
Its this era of twitter and computer-age you all wanna see percentages everywhere after each match. That's why Iverson would always be my most beloved pointguard even tho I know he's not the best conventional point guard ever, cause I don't even wanna remember his percentages/efficiency. Cos back then he himself wasn't conscious of it or selecting his shots like all then Curry are doing today.

With all due, respect no let me and you fight here o (LOL). I watched that FLUGAME (live) thru the night. It was one of those matches I stayed awake in the following afternoon to see it on all sport centers on ESPN the following day to see it again and again.

Jordan was deadsick. Even his sidekick(pippen) was having a bad day.

And guess what? One against One, Utah had more fire power than bulls. All the bulls had was JORDAN who played like Kratos from GOD OF WAR.

Please don't blasphem. JORDAN is a god in human skin.

Baba which way now? M.J never shot less than 45% his first 8 years in the league. In fact his lowest percentages were 45 and 48. For the rest part he was dropping over 53%. I been dey enjoy your analysis before I read that part

Donlittle:
Derrick rose is glass

contract year for rose this coming season. I think he'll be close to his MVP form..

lolawilliams:

Lool. He isnt healthy at alll. Im sure thats the reason why bulls traded him.

If the Knicks manage to stabilize his health then they bring Kevin Durant, they are definitely in the conference finals against the Cavs. Melo has always been my crush since I fell in love with Basketball. When He was drafted (Number 4 I think) I did not even pay attention to Lebron then (though he was first pick). Carmelo is so talented. He lacks some charisma and discipline nonetheless.

With Durant, a healthy Derrick Rose, Melo, and Porginzis (if he confirms the good expectations he raised last season) the Knicks would be a serious candidate in the East, and Durant would have greater chance than if he stays in OKC without Ibaka.

Officialy lebron james just opt out of his contract with cavs..he his now a free agent..but am sure he would sign an improved deal...just wana sign a bumper package

A40:

Baba which way now? M.J never shot less than 45% his first 8 years in the league. In fact his lowest percentages were 45 and 48. For the rest part he was dropping over 53%. I been dey enjoy your analysis before I read that part

Sorry, meant field goals on 3's. They wr really that low or maybe even lower than 25% in his first few year, if my memory serves me right. It was from sometime around 1990 his percentage jumped to above 30%.

No one really cared bout shooting percentages/efficiencies amongst several other stats back then.

Mj Stats on threes, He never shot the 3 balls a lot.

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wey that heat fan for here

lolawilliams:

I really like cousins style of game, i just wish cavs can go for him and get rid of love, he avg 7pts in finals when we needed him most, or i don't know if the concussion had took his confidence. Mayb we can leave keep T.T, he might grow into a potential dynasty. But for us to get someone like cousins, we need to trade love, we got the highest payroll in NBA already, we'ld hve to trade love for cousins

The biggest mistake cavs made last season was increasing loves salary to such outrageous amounts. Love is good, but was a big fish in a small bowl in wolves. Cousins is top2 best center in the NBA. Kings wd never give out cousins for Love. I think we should go for more perimeter players rather than bigs, like what OKC did by adding oladipo.

I still believe Lue should either up grade or be changed. He didn't run enough plays for cavs. Individual brilliance won cavs the series against golden state.

Mizzzbeee:
And he can shoot threes he shud come to Warriors mehn!!!!!

Anyone of Kd, cousins or Whiteside the worriors gets would give them at least 3more tittles in next 5years. They may even 3peat.
It was a mistake for cavs to have hit the luxury tax by giving love and Tristan such high contracts.

Mizzzbeee:
And he can shoot threes he shud come to Warriors mehn!!!!!

Anyone of Kd, cousins or Whiteside the worriors gets would give them at least 3more tittles in next 5years. They may even 3peat.
It was a mistake for cavs to have hit the luxury tax by giving love and Tristan such high contracts. I really hope cavs don't regret it at the longrun.

nairamaniac:
The biggest mistake cavs made last season was increasing loves salary to such outrageous amounts. Love is good, but was a big fish in a small bowl in wolves Cousins is top2 best center in the NBA. Kings wd never give out cousins for Love. I think we should go for more perimeter players rather than bigs, like what OKC did by adding oladipo.

I still believe Lue should either up grade or be changed. He didn't run enough plays for cavs. Individual brilliance won cavs the series against golden state.

you could say the same about cousins.
I keep seeing this 2nd best center in the league stuff who be the first gasol ?
he has never made the playoffs he had George Karl and Rondo, Rudy gay also dey kings

love is a fine player and deserves his contract.
I know he'll still get traded, when a decent package is given to the cavs, hopefully it is a place tailored to his skills.

Donlittle:
Mj Stats on threes, He never shot the 3 balls a lot.

No one really ever shot the 3 that much back then. I'm not that old (LOL), but I think 3 point line was implemented in the NBA sometime in the earliest 80's or late 70's.

nairamaniac:
Anyone of Kd, cousins or Whiteside the worriors gets would give them at least 3more tittles in next 5years. They may even 3peat.
It was a mistake for cavs to have hit the luxury tax by giving love and Tristan such high contracts. I really hope cavs don't regret it at the longrun.

mehn,these guys just won you your first title all front office moves are ultimately right.
you must live in the now cant be dreaming about the future

SIRcumalot:

you could say the same about cousins.
I keep seeing this 2nd best center in the league stuff who be the first gasol ?
he has never made the playoffs he had George Karl and Rondo, Rudy gay also dey kings

love is a fine player and deserves his contract.
I know he'll still get traded, when a decent package is given to the cavs, hopefully it is a place tailored to his skills.

Yes, cousins is amongst the best 2centers in the league. Amongst the class of Andre Drummond and Whiteside, or maybe even better. I would even take Whiteside and Deandre Jordan ahead of Love in cavs. These last mentioned 2 are far more rugged than Love and would compliment Lebron/kyrie more than Love does. It would take the grace of God for Cavs to get a Top trade for Love.

SIRcumalot:

you could say the same about cousins.
I keep seeing this 2nd best center in the league stuff who be the first gasol ?
he has never made the playoffs he had George Karl and Rondo, Rudy gay also dey kings

love is a fine player and deserves his contract.
I know he'll still get traded, when a decent package is given to the cavs, hopefully it is a place tailored to his skills.

Yes, cousins is amongst the best 2centers in the league. Amongst the class of Andre Drummond, or better. I would even take Whiteside and Deandre Jordan ahead of Love in cavs. These last mentioned 2 are far more rugged than Love and would compliment Lebron/kyrie more than Love does. It would take the grace of God for Cavs to get a Top trade for Love.

nairamaniac:
Yes, cousins is amongst the best 2centers in the league. Amongst the class of Andre Drummond, or better. I would even take Whiteside and Deandre Jordan ahead of Love in cavs. These last mentioned 2 are far more rugged than Love and would compliment Lebron/kyrie more than Love does. It would take the grace of God for Cavs to get a Top trade for Love.

Cleveland isn't using love well you can't reduce a player of his type to just a spot up shooter,sadly there is no easy way to fix it,love doesn't fit.

I think they will get it the cavs are the champion they don't need to do anything they will just wait for some team to swing for Durant and miss and then panic am looking mostly at the Celtics.

Cleveland already have a big that can't get any minute( Mozgov) whiteside and DJ ability is why the cavs have TT.

Harden is just too good for houston,he should just go to a better team.or cavs should trade love for harden. That guy beards just make me like him die

borngeologist:
Harden is just too good for houston,he should just go to a better team.or cavs should trade love for harden. That guy beards just make me like him die

Love for Harden?? I thought Love was already regarded as a poor defender. Well Harden will play better Offense no need for Defense

SmooshCHN:
Love for Harden?? I thought Love was already regarded as a poor defender. Well Harden will play better Offense no need for Defense

vi just love harden.I know is not good defensively,but. You know is damn good.

nairamaniac:


Sorry, meant field goals on 3's. They wr really that low or maybe even lower than 25% in his first few year, if my memory serves me right. It was from sometime around 1990 his percentage jumped to above 30%.

No one really cared bout shooting percentages/efficiencies amongst several other stats back then.

I don't really know about that but back then no one really cared about 3pt shooting. I thought you were talking about FG percentages

Seems the Warriors are meeting with Durant on Friday. Klay, Kerr and Curry would be there to pitch. And something tells me K.D just might sign with the Warriors. Unlikely but looking at it its not as improbable as you might think

There is talk of Barnes attracting interest from the Sixers. Good that is his level

Eruditor:


I see you are a Kyrie lover and really he is good. The thing about ceilings is, you expect a player with a so-called higher ceiling to get better at other areas of his game. That's how you can project he will get better. That's why I showed you 2 key areas of his game that are dipping. I could have added his steals or assists. Those are the metrics that PGs should be assessed by and if Kyrie is not improving there- he may not have the higher ceiling. That's what I am putting out.

The Jordan the NBA got to see was not better than Worthy in North Carolina. So when a player improves in his handles it doesn't mean he is less than someone who already had it. That's another area you need to consider in order not to present a lopsided argument. The improvement we expect Kyrie to make to solidify your appraisal of him is he doesn't just need to be the best PG but the MVP of the NBA at least twice. So the clock is ticking.

There is not much to add. I think the evidence supports the claim that Kyrie is indeed a streak shooter. Apart from that, it is also beyond stats. If you watched the games against OKC you'd see copious occasions that Curry hit his 3s on Ibaka, Adams, Kante and KD. I mean even Curry joked that Tall players marking him around the arc is barbecue chicken.

And lastly, you said greatER shooters and mentioned Kobe, Fischer and Horry. The "er" made it a comparison and that's why I took exceptions to the statement. Obviously those players are greats especially Kobe who is top 7 to me. Nobody can possibly denigrate him With a straight face. Least of all, me.

Yeah, I'm a kyrie lover. But don't get me wrong, he is no where near curry's level. Yeah, he does have a high ceiling. Talking bout his steals and assist. I don't expect him to improve in assist, cos he's more of an offensive/scoring point guard than a playmaking one. And you also must have noticed that lots of guys don't play much defence during the regular season till playoffs, e.g Lebron, curry.

Kyrie doesn't need to make MPV twice in order to solidify my appraisal of him towards his improvement. You saying so would seem he must mirror curry's CV in one way or another to earn such appraisal.

What I see of kyrie is being considered top3 point guards in the league soon. Consistently leading the cavs in scoring soon. Averaging above 25points per game. Being the go-to guy for cavs.

You may be right about curry being able to hit 3's better on tall giants. Maybe iv not taken note. But most times, I usually see him beating them with dribbles and going closer to the hoop and hence making 2's rather then 3's.

We would both be around by Gods grace next season to observe and conclude on this.

And lastly did I really say greatER? I had to scroll back to my post to confirm this. What a typographical blunder. I must HV been spell-helped to it.

There were much greater shooter in the league at the time. Hurry, Kobe, fisher were great shooters for the Lakers triangle system. Add rick fox to the mix and they had shooters all over the place.