annunaki2:


Demmzy15 rilwon / rilwayneoo1 your brother needs your help else he will be torn to shreds

truthman2012:


No compulsion in islam you said? Stop deceiving yourself boy.

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."

Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."

Bukhari (11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."

Rilwon:


Wetin?

annunaki2:


Your friend needs epp.

Obadiah77:



Do you know other Islamist that are stronger that kabiru, cuz I doubt kabiru' can withstand what I have for him.

Demmzy15:
Stop all this, bring whatever you have. This is low self-esteem, you've not discussed anything meaningful and you're already portraying yourself as a "victor". Lemme ask you, are you an atheist?

Demmzy15:
Did he tell you that? The guy was a Christian before he apostazied on this forum, instead of you to be ashamed you're opening your brown teeth!

Demmzy15:
Did he tell you that? The guy was a Christian before he apostazied on this forum, instead of you to be ashamed you're opening your brown teeth!

Obadiah77:
While Lexiconkabir will be away tomorrow, please, I will like to ask other Muslims a simple question that has been bothering my mind about the Koran

Does Muhammad or Angel Gabriel word appear in the Qur'an?

Amberon:
The thread will not be complete without letting the O.P know that Mohammad was a pedophile and homosexual who raped 9 year old Aisha and sucked the dick of a 10 year old boy.

Macelliot:

you argues alot. Religion section will never help you.

Obadiah77:


No, this is what I don't like. The thread is solely for me, kabiru, and his Muslim counterpart. Don't come and disturb us with your bigotry, when actually bullshit like this are very well in your Bible.

You can do well going to other thread opened by atheist and refute their argument or simply sit down here and look while I throw my question

Kabir, like I said earlier, please don't pay attention to people like this

truthman2012:


You are either deceiving yourself or deceiving the muslims, one is sure. I gave you what you need if truly you are seeking the truth but see what trash you are spewing out. You claim you want to know if truly there is no COMPULSION in islam and I gave you what muslims will hide from you.

truthman2012:


You are either deceiving yourself or deceiving the muslims, one is sure. I gave you what you need if truly you are seeking the truth but see what trash you are spewing out. You claim you want to know if truly there is no COMPULSION in islam and I gave you what muslims will hide from you.

jcross19:
is thinking with his anus!!!. You get it bro. Is either is deceiving himself or is deceiving the muslims . If he likes let him become suicide bomber, mujahedeen, atheist, satanist or budhist that's his life. Okay do whatever he likes.

Obadiah77:


Referring to other sources is something I wouldn't like in this debate. I will like us discuss here without referring anyone to somewhere else.

In other not to waste much time on this particular question, for we will certainly come bavk to it. lets take another one.

Can you please address my second question about the quran?

Obadiah77:


You are obviously pained, you wouldn't have come out to say this rubbish had it been you were not.

Carry your pained ass comot my thread.

Oladim001:
Oh come on. Its neither Muhammad nor Angel Gabriel's word. Its Allah SWT word sent to prophet Muhammad(SAW) through angel Gabriel to guide the whole world.

lexiconkabir:



We have cases where Allah quotes people of the past, where he asked Muhammad to say, where He asked Jibril to say, where he tells us what the angels said sometime ago, and so on......but these doesnt mean they are the words of Jibril or Muhammad, because Allah taught them and commanded them on what to say.

Demmzy15:
Stop all this, bring whatever you have. This is low self-esteem, you've not discussed anything meaningful and you're already portraying yourself as a "victor". Lemme ask you, are you an atheist?

Obadiah77:


Then who was speaking here? Allah?

What, shall I seek after any judge but God? For it is He who sent down to you the Book well-distinguished; and those whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from thy Lord with the truth; so be not thou of the doubters. S. 6:114

Obadiah77:


I said I will come back to it, we cannot possibly waste a whole 2days on a question when I have lots of questions in my mind.

Maybe I wouldn't have become what I became today had it been you are this swift at responding to atheist criticism of the Bible.

Please sit down and watch.

Obadiah77:


What, is every man of them eager to be admitted to a Garden of Bliss? Not so; for We have created them of what they know. No! I swear by the Lord of the Easts and Wests, surely We are able to substitute a better than they; We shall not be outstripped. S. 70:38-41.

Allah swears by the Lord of the easts and wests, says that he will seek no other judge besides God and that he gave the book that Muhammad’s Lord sent down!

Who was doing the talking here? If it was allah? Who was he swearing to? And who are those that constitutes that 'WE'?

truthman2012:


You have become what you become because you are seeking for the letters and not the Spirit of the Bible. The Bible says letter killeth but the Spirit gives life (2 Cor.3:6). The same Bible atheists read is what many , whose hearts seek God in spirit and truth read and become children of God. There are numerous testimonies of even muslims who read the Bible and became born again. If the Bible is what you read and become an atheist, it shows you are not a child of salvation but if God will have mercy on you, you will retrace your steps.

Obadiah77:


Who did Allah hymn praises to?
Lo! verily, ye and that which ye worship, Ye cannot excite (anyone) against Him. Save him who is to burn in hell. There is not one of US but hath his known position. Lo! We, even We are they who set the ranks, Lo! WE, even WE are they who hymn His praise S. 37:161-166 Pickthall

Allah is supposed to speaking here as he shifts from first person plural to third person singular pronouns. But this is where the confusion sets in. He knows his position, sets the ranks, and is the one who hymns the praises of God! Who tells Allah what his position is and to whom is singing?

Lexiconkabir

Oladim001:
If you are conversant with the arabic text of the Qur'an, you would see the stop mark after 'mifassala'. This means that in the beginning of the verse, Allah tells the Prophet to say. So after the stop mark. Allah continues what He was saying. This means that Allah instructed the Prophet to ask the kaafirun the first question. Then after the stop mark, Allah continues. In essence the 'I' is Muhammad PBUH. The God is Allah. The 'HE' is Allah. The 'We' also refers to Allah. The 'thy Lord is Allah, also.

Obadiah77:


... and those whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from thy Lord with the truth; so be not thou of the doubters. S. 6:114

The 'we' cannot possibly be referring to Allah because he is one, unless you want to deny this. And then please don't bring the royal "we" argument because I can't seem to find it in the Islamic theology.

lexiconkabir:


The angels were the ones speaking here not Allah, Allah is quoting them.

annunaki2:


Your friend needs epp.

Rilwon:


Where did he say that?