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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 4:31pm On May 23, 2016 |
Yes, to the OP and the other narratives as planned. HardMirror: It's unfortunate you were not at the Bonnke crusade. From experience, not trying to act like a judge though, Bonnke is legit Ayorinde isn't. Ayorinde's crusade couldn't be in hundreds of thousands, do you know what hundreds of thousands is? Or you were counting ants? A full average stadium doesn't sit up to 100,000 to give you some perspective. My point is that in your missing this simple logical detail even till date, it shows you can be very wrong in many more aspects. In a charged atmosphere, anything can happen both real and unreal. i wouldn't advice anyone to seek miracles foolishly or seek charged atmospheres. many things can charge up an atmosphere BTW, not just the Spirit of God. In fact, not usually the Spirit of God. Bible says to prove all things. What made you to scam yourself? Why did you not prove your healing before leaving. Your naivety and ignorance is yours, not God's. 4 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 4:34pm On May 23, 2016 |
HardMirror: What i get here is a self acclaimed atheist confirming to all, especially his colleagues that not everything seen in crusades are stage managed. Good one. 2 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 4:38pm On May 23, 2016 |
HardMirror: This is most ridiculous, close minded and myopic. So because you did not experience something, therefore it is safe to conclude that no one has ever experienced it? You were not even at the crusade yet you claim rubbish. You claimed earlier that some were healed in the crusade you went, then the next day not many. Are you possessed with different contradicting spirits? For one, i have a sister who was healed in a crusade Bite yourself. 3 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 4:41pm On May 23, 2016 |
urahara: No doubt, there are many fakes and the scriptures even warn of them. Just like we have many fake electronics all over the Nigerian market. However, there are also real miracles, and there are miracles from God. Not all miracles are from God BTW. 2 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 4:45pm On May 23, 2016 |
urahara: Coming from the lazy thinking you have read on the internet i guess. i've seen God heal people from stroke, cancer, HIV, rheumatism, kidney problem, total blindness etc. The people who got them do not think it was faked, they knew they were whole. Joh 9:26 Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes? Joh 9:27 He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples? You do not need to believe in the supernatural, what you need is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. 3 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 4:47pm On May 23, 2016 |
kolawaxxy: Believing in nothing is the most lazy thing ever. Believe in God the Lord Jesus. 2 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 4:59pm On May 23, 2016 |
HardMirror: Wonderful salvation experience you had, recall and shared unlike dankol and so many others who were never in Christ but think they were. Your experience though at not having someone healed are not strange or strong enough to make you fall. There must have been some other gradual things which made the experience what "broke the camel's back". Maybe you may not recall though, or didnt reflect well. 2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. 1 Like |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 11:49am On May 24, 2016 |
wirinet: We're agreed on this, salvation is the greatest, most consistent, primary and sweetest miracle of all. It happens to people of different classes and race and strata. It is being born again, repentance, atonement, justification, the forgiveness of sins, all in one package. All other things, terms and conditions apply I must say. 1 Like |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 11:56am On May 24, 2016 |
urahara: Oh, that one was never a Christian na. He was born into a home where they go to church, that's all. What happened to cloudgoddess? |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 12:03pm On May 24, 2016 |
HardMirror: The blind man from birth that Jesus healed, and the one Peter and John healed, some people still remained unbelievers and persecuted Jesus instead. Nothing new under the sun. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 12:05am On May 25, 2016 |
HardMirror: Anything can lead to Stockholm Syndrome, including abused atheism. People do not feel guilty for their actions or inactions because of Stockholm Syndrome, they do so mainly because of their consciences, albeit right or wrong. God heals Breast Cancer in my Local Church in Osogbo i hope you know that was where you got your 'powers' from i.e what made you different/special than other christian colleagues of yours. Scriptures say to "exercise thyself rather unto godliness. " Many christians do not exercise their spirit man. Anyone that exercises his spirit man(christian or not) will see some dividends. That is what those that practice meditation do, and some other people that have other powers, though not godly. There are many spirits apart from the Spirit of God, whom we are expected and commanded to relate with. i want to believe you know these or some of these? As usual on sundays, time is given for testimonies (which of course is very important in the modern day church to keep people's faith in the church) This is yet another sorry case of a poorly verified miracle. Scriptures enjoin us to prove all things, and to be slow to speak. Your church and its membership's mistakes, not God's. 1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Jam 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: It makes me remember an incidence that happened in Ido-Osun about 12 years ago. Where a man was bitten by a poisonous snake and instead of going to an hospital, he went to a church. He died some hours later. I remember how chistians were the ones saying the man was a fool. This issue is a little bit long and better maturely and separately discussed. i will open a thread on it and invite you and others. It is a matter of UNDERSTANDING really. Truth NEVER fails, Truth does not need excuses to be made for it. Is the bible true? Is god of religion true? Which religion is serving the true god.What is truth? Are you truth, have you ever failed? Are people who have failed not true? What exactly do you mean with the high sounding expression? |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by menesheh(m): 11:29pm On Jun 05, 2016 |
joshysmartie: No, you to bend down and study what's really evolution not only visiting the museum. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Princewell2012(m): 12:41am On Jun 07, 2016 |
Adedoks: God bless u too. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by CAPSLOCKED: 6:00pm On Jun 10, 2016 |
PEOPLE THESE DAYS, DON'T GIVE SUNDAY MONEY TO CHURCHES ANY LONGER. THEY BUY TOMATOES TO MAKE SUNDAY STEW WITH IT. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by winner01(m): 6:54am On Jun 21, 2016 |
frank317:Sorry about the death of your mun bro but you just cant fight God. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Toperazzi(m): 4:28pm On Jul 11, 2016 |
A World Without Christianity !!! Having thoroughly enjoyed the diversity of opinions presented by the OP and its contributors, I am pleased to see a Generation of True Intellectuals seeking true knowledge. However, we have failed to address the crocks of the matter, which I think emanates from this wise saying that "when the purpose of a thing is not known, abuse is inevitable". Question is what is the Purpose of Christianity and What does it seek to address? Christianity from my own experience, stands upon the pillars of Fear, Authority and Conscientiousness. These are the main issues I think the OP, by choice or omission, didn't address. And if I may ask, now that you have found your footing outside Christianity is your life now PERFECT? Before you begin to tell people about your story did you do your research comprehensive enough to think of the possible impact your transition story will have on those who are still speculating? Anyway am not impressed but depressed by the one-sidedness of the"discoveries" you made along your journey. For example, the hypnotic ministrations you made mention of is two-way communication which can be used for either good or bad reasons. Also the issue of magic, there's white and black variant, please be sure you know what you are talking about. Some which involves simple concentration techniques that are sometimes triggered during intense atmospheres e.g. fasting and praying! Please don't get me wrong, I will not attempt to over-simplify the intent of Christian Leaders, but to judge centuries life-long doctrines by present day standards is only begging the issue. Today not every Christian believe in Miracles, Speaking in tongues or even Spirituality itself, but if any Religion teaches me to repent of my wrong doings, ask God for forgiveness and never go back to it, it's saving me from myself and making the world a safe place. Bible teachings tell us we are of sinful nature, if this is not true, why do we have Laws, Codes and Conduct. Even today, we know where there's no law, there is chaos and dis-order. No Law means, "an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, and the World goes blind". The reason you and I are having a great conversation is because, some people have chosen to embrace"Love" not war just like the Bible recommends, not because am a Christian, she is Atheist or that guy is a Muslim or Hindu. Today, there are several Satanists who know a lot about these whole hypnosis and witchcraft etc much better but have chosen to look past it and become Christians, and from there own summations even believe Jesus Christ is real, and even seek him to protect them. Do your research? Have an "open mind", nobody knows "everything". No Religion addresses every issue in one voice, there is a different approach to everything. I have Islamist within my family, and trust me, they do attack us like we do also. But guess what? they do not have all the answers either. Love is the only thing that binds us together, not whether God exists or not. But whether Christ was gay and all of that, isn't all there is to know. Let's deal with those things that things that bring us together first then, later we deal with our differences. Broadcasting platforms like this should be used for that, sensitive information like this can raise questions our History or Science didn't provide answers for. Further confusion about certain things would not help anyone anyway, so why start in the first place? A religion that has turned the hearts of hardened criminals into Responsible citizen who now choose to make positive impact? Do you really know what you are doing? Christianity has assisted people in getting vocations, hospitals, jobs, accommodation and financial opportunities, why?, because that's what Bible preach and encourages those who do. I have contributed to helping others, as much as I have benefited. Don't use those who use their ministry for solely profit to generalise the truth about Christianity. Love is not legislated under any law, Christianity does! Islam I know of, does as well. But how and whether you choose to apply it is all up to you. And back to the OP, you claim you know everything about the Bible, and because you we're a soul-winner, nobody can preach you? Please think again, wisdom is knowing the difference between what you actually know and what you think you know. Maybe all you needed do was change your church and not your beliefs. Messages have been modified continuously to suite present day experiences, hence losing true meaning. Everything else is just crowd pulling strategy. Thanks! My opinion! 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 2:57pm On Jul 18, 2016 |
kolawaxxy:You're welcome Bro. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 3:19pm On Jul 18, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: Bro, are you Amanfrommars? |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 3:21pm On Jul 18, 2016 |
kolawaxxy:Yeah. was searching for some of my old threads. Pity I deactivated that account. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 3:29pm On Jul 18, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: I don't know if I should thank you or do otherwise |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 3:50pm On Jul 18, 2016 |
kolawaxxy:Hehehe. Na so craze dey use start. No vex. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 10:57am On Jul 19, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: What about Musqeeto? ..or is it Musketeer |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 12:29pm On Jul 19, 2016 |
kolawaxxy:Sonoflucifer. Muskeeto. Amanfrommars. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 5:35pm On Jul 19, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: Sir, I assure you, you will be a red-cap chief in hell; with the red cap having a lot of feathers 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 6:55pm On Jul 19, 2016 |
kolawaxxy: Thank you. 3 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Ranchhoddas: 10:04pm On Jul 19, 2016 |
kolawaxxy:Hehehe...we are the same category. I wonder if I can ever go back to believing. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 10:24pm On Jul 19, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas: Ignorance is truly bliss |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by HardMirror(m): 9:19pm On Jul 20, 2016 |
Image123:That is because the story of jesus is mostly fabricated. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 9:56pm On Jul 20, 2016 |
HardMirror:Yeah right, and Nigeria is not in Africa. You must be feeling sleepy. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by oluoo(f): 9:54pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
Hey OP(hardmirror) I am new to nairaland and not sure how the PMs work- i tried sending you one, but I am not certain it went through. I have a few questions I want to ask you offline... |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by CHARLOE(m): 10:10pm On Sep 09, 2016 |
folawiyoma:Smh @ u. In my former church in Ogba, used to have a friend who gave a testimony of hw pastor prayed for her n she was healed of asthma 1 day after church service, she was beside me on our way hone wen I noticed she was having difficulty breathing. I asked wats wrong n she signalled for me to get a bike. To cut a long story short, she was attended to @ d clinic n started gisting me hw pastor prayed 4 her n told her to throw away her inhaler (she uses to stabilize her breathing anytime she has an attack) n receive her healing by faith. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by folawiyoma(m): 10:35pm On Sep 17, 2016 |
CHARLOE: Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: if your friend did not receive his healing, who do you blame? Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Romans 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. has he faith to receive the healing from God and not his pastor? |
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