Exodus 31:8-9
And the table and his furniture, and the pure candlestick with all his furniture, and the altar of incense,
9 And the altar of burnt offering with all his furniture, and the laver and his foot,

Muttleylaff, analice107, Scholar8200,

Take note of the subtle use of language in the verses above, the usage of 'his' rather than 'its' buttresses the point that these are just figurative presentations of actual men who have been assigned different duties in the Tabernacle of the congregation (which itself is a city). Moses' city in the wilderness was called the Tabernacle of the congregation because it was not promised to him that he would build the temple, and God had not chosen a place as yet at that time to put His name Deuteronomy 16:2,6, so Moses' own capital/temple is called the Tabernacle of the congregation.

Deuteronomy 16:2
Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there.

Deuteronomy 16:6
But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.

Muttleylaff, analice107, Scholar8200

Solomon's capital/temple is called the temple because it is where God had chosen to place His name. Solomon's temple is the House of God because it is the place God chose to put His name there.

2Chronicles 6:20
That thine eyes may be open upon this house day and night, upon the place whereof thou hast said that thou wouldest put thy name there; to hearken unto the prayer which thy servant prayeth toward this place.

In Moses' Tabernacle of the congregation, the officials were described as 'furniture', in Solomon's temple, the officials were called 'Vessels'

2Chronicles 4:19-22
And Solomon made all the vessels that were for the house of God, the golden altar also, and the tables whereon the shewbread was set;
20 Moreover the candlesticks with their lamps, that they should burn after the manner before the oracle, of pure gold;
21 And the flowers, and the lamps, and the tongs, made he of gold, and that perfect gold;
22 And the snuffers, and the basons, and the spoons, and the censers, of pure gold: and the entry of the house, the inner doors thereof for the most holy place, and the doors of the house of the temple, were of gold.

TrajansKong:


85% of the Nigerian population will never EVER [/b]begin to comprehend or accept this.

We take every single word in the Bible as literally true. Without question.

For us talking snakes, talking donkeys and women turning into pillars of salt have greater reality and more genuine presence and meaning than our immediate biological families.

Hahahaha

[b]Psalm 78:2
I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

The Bible was never meant to be understood literally, it is the great mistake that many have made and many still continue to make. The Bible is a compilation of 'dark sayings of old' that need the wisdom of God to be deciphered. Snakes and serpents, cattle and creeping things, birds of the earth and beasts of the field, pillars of salt, etc., were all figurative renderings of actual events

But the time of enlightenment is upon us, a flood is coming, a flood of knowledge, a flood of Jesus, when true knowledge, the knowledge of the fear of God will fill the hearts of every man, and everything will be made pure beautiful and holy again just as THE MOST HIGH GOD wanted it to be right from the beginning.

Isaiah 11:9
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Jesus is not a literal carpenter, Jesus is described as the son of a carpenter because he descended from the highest nobility.

MrPresident1:
Exodus 31:8-9
And the table and his furniture, and the pure candlestick with all his furniture, and the altar of incense,
9 And the altar of burnt offering with all his furniture, and the laver and his foot,

Muttleylaff, analice107, Scholar8200,

Take note of the subtle use of language in the verses above, the usage of 'his' rather than 'its' buttresses the point that these are just figurative presentations of actual men who have been assigned different duties in the Tabernacle of the congregation (which itself is a city). Moses' city in the wilderness was called the Tabernacle of the congregation because it was not promised to him that he would build the temple, and God had not chosen a place as yet at that time to put His name Deuteronomy 16:2,6, so Moses' own capital/temple is called the Tabernacle of the congregation.

Deuteronomy 16:2
Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there.

Deuteronomy 16:6
But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.

What is the discourse?

MrPresident1:


David is waiting for Bathsheba , so that Solomon can come on board

LOlzzz. Gerrarahia

MrPresident1:


My bad Analice107 has become so used to the Bible that she now speaks in figurative language and allegories, and you and others are now so attuned with her in spirit that you now see her words rather than hear her words, how interesting . I really have to up my game mehn .

Actually, the deeper layers of the Bible, the Gold mine, as analice107 has so correctly put it, is written in pictures, not in words.

Talking snakes, worldwide floods, Jesus on the way to Golgotha, Daniel in the Lion's den, the temple of God and its vessels, Job and his travails, etc., are all pictorial presentations of actual events. The scribes of old who through the inspiration of God wrote the Bible were very learned men, and they coded their sayings in such a way that only the initiated ever understood their meaning/intentions. They were called the oracles of God. If anyone wants to understand the true depths of the words of the oracles of God you have to start from Proverbs 1:7a, then you will begin to unravel the secrets of the dark sayings

Psalm 78:2-7
I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
3 Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.
4 We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.
5 For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:
6 That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:
7 That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:

Very true Mr P

MrPresident1:
David is waiting for Bathsheba , so that Solomon can come on board

analice107:
LOlzzz. Gerrarahia

You dey mind the joker
MrPresident1 knows he doesn't want to imitate David,
not David as a role model, when it is in a capacity of a David-Bathsheba illicit love affair,
because Nathan is in the wings waiting to condemn such an illicit liaison and pronounce the punishment for it

MuttleyLaff:


You dey mind the joker
MrPresident1 knows he doesn't want to imitate David,
not David as a role model, when it is in a capacity of a David-Bathsheba illicit love affair,
because Nathan is in the wings waiting to condemn such an illicit liaison and pronounce the punishment for it

Oh, thank God you are that Nathan's voice ready to pronounce judgement against this MrPresident1.

MrPresident1. Do you need a Firstlady ? You would need to do it like Isaac and Rebecca or Jacob and Rachel. You get my drift?

analice107:

What is the discourse?

I was only trying to educate Muttleylaff ni jare so I thought you could learn from it. She introduced a point and I was trying to create a chasm between her and ignorance by explaining the meaning of 'furniture' in Moses' tabernacle of congregation and 'vessels' in Solomon' temple.

This thread's subplot like any good movie was introduced by Muttleylaff

The main plot of the thread is that Jesus being a carpenter does not mean he was a literal carpenter or furniture maker, Jesus did not go about Jerusalem knocking wood together, the point of his carpentry is that he was of the noblest birth.

The Carpenter of the gods.

analice107:
Oh, thank God you are that Nathan's voice ready to pronounce judgement against this MrPresident1.

MrPresident1. Do you need a Firstlady ?
You would need to do it like Isaac and Rebecca or Jacob and Rachel. You get my drift?

Abi ooo. Chop knuckle for the bolded above

analice107:

LOlzzz. Gerrarahia

1 Timothy 2:7
I speak the truth in Christ and lie not

MrPresident1:
I was only trying to educate Muttleylaff ni jare so I thought you could learn from it.
She introduced a point and I was trying to create a chasm between her and ignorance by explaining the meaning of 'furniture' in Moses' tabernacle of congregation and 'vessels' in Solomon' temple.

This thread's subplot like any good movie was introduced by Muttleylaff

The main plot of the thread is that Jesus being a carpenter does not mean he was a literal carpenter or furniture maker,
Jesus did not go about Jerusalem knocking wood together, the point of his carpentry is that he was of the noblest birth.

The Carpenter of the gods.

Educate MuttleyLaff if Mark 6:3 was said as a nobility compliment or said with derision
MrPresident1, is it noble, the military, calling the common man, bloody civilian?

MuttleyLaff:


You dey mind the joker
MrPresident1 knows he doesn't want to imitate David,
not David as a role model, when it is in a capacity of a David-Bathsheba illicit love affair,
because Nathan is in the wings waiting to condemn such an illicit liaison and pronounce the punishment for it

Actually we have all reincarnated, and we are all here again

David does not want to repeat the mistake he made a long time ago so he is patiently waiting on/for the mercies of his God

MrPresident1:
Muttleylaff, analice107, Scholar8200,

Take note of the subtle use of language in the verses above, the usage of 'his' rather than 'its' buttresses the point that these are just figurative presentations of actual men who have been assigned different duties in the Tabernacle of the congregation (which itself is a city)

You see yurself now, too much eisegesis is bad for the health
#1: The ''Tabernacle of the congregation'' is not a city
#2: The Israelites never had a city in their 40 years of wandering in the wilderness
They certainly were a huge lot of humans in temporary settlements
but never in cities, as in where cities, are permanent human settlements

MrPresident1:
Moses' city in the wilderness was called the Tabernacle of the congregation because it was not promised to him that he would build the temple

SMH. What?!
Moses' city in the wilderness was NOT called the Tabernacle of the congregation
The glorified tent Moses built in the wilderness is what was called the ''Tabernacle of the congregation''
if loosely translated it is the '' tent of meeting''
aka the ''tabernacle of the testimony''
aka the ''house of the Lord'
aka a ''sanctuary''

MrPresident1:
and God had not chosen a place as yet at that time to put His name Deuteronomy 16:2,6, so Moses' own capital/temple is called the Tabernacle of the congregation

The tabernacle, simply is, a glorified tent, and that exactly, is what is it
It is a temporary, movable and typically light constructed dwelling, made of cloth, supported by poles and stretched tight by strings attached to pegs driven into the ground
It has nothing to do with God chosing a place as yet or at any time
but rather it was a place for the divine presence of God and/or His Shekinah glory to come rest and abide among the Israelites

The congregation part in ''Tabernacle of the congregation'' means called out (i.e. ekklesia in greek where we get church in English from)
or meeting of called out people at the tent

#Am popping out, going swimming... brb

MrPresident1:

1 Timothy 2:7 I speak the truth in Christ and lie not

What is the truth now?

MuttleyLaff:
Abi ooo. Chop knuckle for the bolded above

Knuckle out there.

Genesis 24:67
And Isaac  brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife ; and he loved her: and was comforted after his mother's death.

Isaac took Rebekah into his mother's tent, and 'tooked' her and she became his wife.

The act of 'tooking' is the actual marriage, when Isaac 'tooked' Rebekah that was when she became his wife. Marriage is not the ceremony, it is the secret act of 'tooking'

Isaac is my 'rode' model , it is good to do everything biblically

analice107:

Oh, thank God you are that Nathan's voice ready to pronounce judgement against this MrPresident1.

MrPresident1. Do you need a Firstlady ? You would need to do it like Isaac and Rebecca or Jacob and Rachel. You get my drift?

MrPresident1:


I was only trying to educate Muttleylaff ni jare so I thought you could learn from it. She introduced a point and I was trying to create a chasm between her and ignorance by explaining the meaning of 'furniture' in Moses' tabernacle of congregation and 'vessels' in Solomon' temple.

This thread's subplot like any good movie was introduced by Muttleylaff

The main plot of the thread is that Jesus being a carpenter does not mean he was a literal carpenter or furniture maker, Jesus did not go about Jerusalem knocking wood together, the point of his carpentry is that he was of the noblest birth.

The Carpenter of the gods.

He was a literal carpenter. He knocked wood together and the Jews despised him becos of that. They were promised a Messiah, but they couldn't wrap their minds around a Messiah from the lineage of David being a Carpenter. So they rejected him.
Let's read here.

Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
Mark:6:3

Amplified Bible Mark 6:3 Is not this the Carpenter, the son of Mary and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not His sisters here among us? And they took offense at Him and were hurt [that is, they disapproved of Him, and it hindered them from acknowledging His authority] and they were caused to stumble and fall.


Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Matthew:13:55-58

Jesus was born by a Carpenter who knocked wood together, and he learned his father's trade.

One of the reasons the Jews rejected him as their Messiah, was his poor birth.

Jeremiah 24:1
The Lord shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the Lord, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the  and , from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.

The carpenters and the smiths were the nobility of Israel who built the temple of God, or led the people, they were the top vessels of gold in the house of God 2Chronicles 36:18, the nobility.

MuttleyLaff:

Educate MuttleyLaff if Mark 6:3 was said as a nobility compliment or said with derision
Is it the noble military calling the common man bloody civilian?

MuttleyLaff:
You see yurself now, too much eisegesis is bad for the health
#1: The ''Tabernacle of the congregation'' is not a city
#2: The Israelites never had a city in their 40 years of wandering in the wilderness
They certainly were a huge lot of humans in temporary settlements
but never in cities, as in where cities, are permanent human settlements

SMH. What?!
Moses' city in the wilderness was NOT called the Tabernacle of the congregation
The glorified tent Moses built in the wilderness is what was called the ''Tabernacle of the congregation''
if loosely translated it is the '' tent of meeting''
aka the ''tabernacle of the testimony''
aka the ''house of the Lord'
aka a ''sanctuary''

The tabernacle, simply is, a glorified tent, and that exactly, is what is it
It is a temporary, movable and typically light constructed dwelling, made of cloth, supported by poles and stretched tight by strings attached to pegs driven into the ground
It has nothing to do with God chosing a place as yet or at any time
but rather it was a place for the divine presence of God and/or His Shekinah glory to come rest and abide among the Israelites

The congregation part in ''Tabernacle of the congregation'' means called out (i.e. ekklesia in greek where we get church in English from)
or meeting of called out people at the tent

#Am popping out, going swimming... brb

Will you be wearing a bikini?

Moses called his city ( word loosely used) tabernacle of the congregation because it is not the place chosen by God to be His habitation. Solomon called his own city the Temple because God chose the place and him as its builder.

if you check out the dimensions of the tabernacle and the dimensions of the temple, they both seemed so small, the point being that they were only just figurative pictorial presentations, there was no free standing physical structure called the tabernacle of the congregation or the temple of God.

analice107:

What is the truth now?

That Jesus was not a 'furniture' going about with hammer and 'yosho' (pliers), that Jesus was born of the highest nobility

MrPresident1:
Genesis 24:67
And Isaac  brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife ; and he loved her: and was comforted after his mother's death.

Isaac took Rebekah into his mother's tent, and 'tooked' her and she became his wife.

The act of 'tooking' is the actual marriage, when Isaac 'tooked' Rebekah that was when she became his wife. Marriage is not the ceremony, it is the secret act of 'tooking'

Isaac is my 'rode' model , it is good to do everything biblically

Hahahahahahahaha. You made me laf really loud. And,
Yes Isaac "took" Rebecca, but not after the ceremony was done. And he didn't "took" her behind his mother's back. He "took" her with his mother's knowledge and approval, in his mother's tent. That's right. Isaac shd be your "rode" model.

analice107:

He was a literal carpenter. He knocked wood together and the Jews despised him becos of that. They were promised a Messiah, but they couldn't wrap their minds around a Messiah from the lineage of David being a Carpenter. So they rejected him.
Let's read here.

Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
Mark:6:3

Amplified Bible Mark 6:3 Is not this the Carpenter, the son of Mary and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not His sisters here among us? And they took offense at Him and were hurt [that is, they disapproved of Him, and it hindered them from acknowledging His authority] and they were caused to stumble and fall.


Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Matthew:13:55-58

Jesus was born by a Carpenter who knocked wood together, and he learned his father's trade.

One of the reasons the Jews rejected him as their Messiah, was his poor birth.

smh, just smh for you. Jesus was of poor birth?

Jesus was of the house of David, the house of david is the highest nobility in Israel. Romans 1:3.

Stop reading fake Bibles jare Sweetheart

MrPresident1:


Will you be wearing a bikini?

Moses called his city ( word loosely used) tabernacle of the congregation because it is not the place chosen by God to be His habitation. Solomon called his own city the Temple because God chose the place and him as its builder.

if you check out the dimensions of the tabernacle and the dimensions of the temple, they both seemed so small, the point being that they were only just figurative pictorial presentations, there was no free standing physical structure called the tabernacle of the congregation or the temple of God.

Yeah something like a bikini
You seem to ignore what is in Exodus 26:1-10 and 30

analice107:

Hahahahahahahaha. You made me laf really loud. And,
Yes Isaac "took" Rebecca, but not after the ceremony was done. And he didn't "took" her behind his mother's back. He "took" her with his mother's knowledge and approval, in his mother's tent. That's right. Isaac shd be your "rode" model.

Sarah was already dead by that time o. Anyways sweery dont lemme 'convuse' you, this is extremely tough meat, but just know that 'tooking' before God is marriage, and it was after Rebekah was 'tooked' by Isaac that she became his wife. Genesis 24:67.

MrPresident1:


Sarah was already dead by that time o. Anyways sweery dont lemme 'convuse' you, this is extremely tough meat, but just know that 'tooking' before God is marriage, and it was after Rebekah was 'tooked' by Isaac that she became his wife. Genesis 24:67.

My point is, all the protocols were observed before the "tooking" took place right?
I can stand tough meat.

MuttleyLaff:
Yeah something like a bikini
You seem to ignore what is in Exodus 26:1-10 and 30

Yeparipa , bikini? Do you have 'moveable assets' , me sef I want to come and swim

The descriptions of Solomon's temple was even more elaborate, they are all pictures, there was no free standing structure called tabernacle of congregation or temple of God.

analice107:

My point is, all the protocols were observed before the "tooking" took place right?
I can stand tough meat.

Sweety, Genesis 24:53 looks like the payment of a dowry, but again it was only a bethrotal. It was only after Isaac had taken her that bible says she became his wife vs 67.

Babe, tough meat will make you cry o

MrPresident1:


smh, just smh for you. Jesus was of poor birth?

Jesus was of the house of David, the house of david is the highest nobility in Israel. Romans 1:3.

Stop reading fake Bibles jare Sweetheart

No sir MrPresident1. I don't read fake Bible. I have Four hard copies, different translations and 3 soft copies. So am not reading one translation.
Honey, Mary and Joseph Jeaus' earthly parents were poor. That they were from the lineage of David didn't automatically make them rich.

And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,

And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

You think Joseph and Mary were wealthy people yet Nathaniel would ask "Can any thing good come out of Nazareth?"

And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
John:7:15

Amplified Bible John 7:15 The Jews were astonished. They said, How is it that this Man has learning [is so versed in the sacred Scriptures and in theology] when He has never studied?

Jesus was of noble birth, yet he couldn't read?
I don't want to banter with my President. So, I'll bow out here.

MrPresident1:
Yeparipa , bikini? Do you have 'moveable assets' , me sef I want to come and swim

Every one is blessed with moveable assets or the other

MrPresident1:
The descriptions of Solomon's temple was even more elaborate, they are all pictures, there was no free standing structure called tabernacle of congregation or temple of God.

You must build this Tabernacle and its furnishings exactly according to the pattern I will show you
- Exodus 25:9 NLT

Let's stick with the tabernacle shall we.
Leave out the temple Solomon built because David was refused to build it due to the Hittite's blood on his hands

The ''Tabernacle of the congregation'' and if loosely translated it is the '' tent of meeting''
aka the ''tabernacle of the testimony''
aka the ''house of the Lord'
aka a ''sanctuary'' is a physical structure and symbolic one or figurative one too

The Israelites gathered their to worship God etc hence the coinage the Tabernacle of Congregation.

It was a free standing structure brah, which is even every aspect of its make-up is symbolic

Stop that Oshogbo weed or is it bath salts? LOL

analice107:

No sir MrPresident1. I don't read fake Bible. I have Four hard copies, different translations and 3 soft copies. So am not reading one translation.
Honey, Mary and Joseph Jeaus' earthly parents were poor. That they were from the lineage of David didn't automatically make them rich.

And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,

And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

You think Joseph and Mary were wealthy people yet Nathaniel would ask "Can any thing good come out of Nazareth?"

And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
John:7:15

Amplified Bible John 7:15 The Jews were astonished. They said, How is it that this Man has learning [is so versed in the sacred Scriptures and in theology] when He has never studied?

Jesus was of noble birth, yet he couldn't read?
I don't want to banter with my President. So, I'll bow out here.

Ha bow out ke.
O pari, you don come deflate the brother's growing tabernacle tent now, sorry about the pun