folawiyoma:








Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


if your friend did not receive his healing, who do you blame?
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.



Romans 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.



has he faith to receive the healing from God and not his pastor?

We are very familiar with this tactic.
Once people reveal the secret of what they are actually passing through, you quickly label them as faithless.
How small is a mustard seed? For me to throw my inhaler away, it shows I have a faith bigger than a water melon.
Keep fooling yourself

HardMirror:

We are very familiar with this tactic.
Once people reveal the secret of what they are actually passing through, you quickly label them as faithless.
How small is a mustard seed? For me to throw my inhaler away, it shows I have a faith bigger than a water melon.
Keep fooling yourself

Faith is not the same as gambling or pool staking. Faith is personal, nobody should tell you to throw away your inhaler, that is not faith.

Image123:


Faith is not the same as gambling or pool staking. Faith is personal, nobody should tell you to throw away your inhaler, that is not faith.

How more confused can you folks be?
Someone believed god 100% and threw her inhaler away, knowing God had healed her. She gets an asthma attack some days later. And one christian said it is cos she lacked faith (what??!!) Then you another christian said she should not have thrown her inhaler away. So you can still blame her when she keeps using the inhaler saying she does not have faith that is why she is clinging to the inhaler.
You are all a bunch of jokers

HardMirror:

How more confused can you folks be?
Someone believed god 100% and threw her inhaler away, knowing God had healed her. She gets an asthma attack some days later. And one christian said it is cos she lacked faith (what??!!) Then you another christian said she should not have thrown her inhaler away. So you can still blame her when she keeps using the inhaler saying she does not have faith that is why she is clinging to the inhaler.
You are all a bunch of jokers

Kikiki ... Don't you know that when it comes to faith, Christians must always leave a wiggle room to vindicate their god's inaction.

kevoh:

Kikiki ... Don't you know that when it comes to faith, Christians must always leave a wiggle room to vindicate their god's inaction.

Imagine the rubbish of a defense image123 is putting up for God. Later they would say god created the inhaler

folawiyoma:








Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


if your friend did not receive his healing, who do you blame?
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.



Romans 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.



has he faith to receive the healing from God and not his pastor?

I don't have d time nor strength to argue wit folks like u, just continue in ur ignorance & gullibility.

HardMirror:

We are very familiar with this tactic.
Once people reveal the secret of what they are actually passing through, you quickly label them as faithless.
How small is a mustard seed? For me to throw my inhaler away, it shows I have a faith bigger than a water melon.
Keep fooling yourself

Abi o, smh for xtians, and to think I used to b like dat, always trying to defend d indefensible, right from my sec skool days.
. Anny xtian dat is bold enough to proof some of d weird teaching in d bible (and expectedly fails) is derided by fellow xtians, calling him a fool, proving DAT, deep down, xtians don't really belive d bible.

I remember a story also, of a pastor in america, who exercised his faith by preaching beside a live cobra! After all Jesus promises his followers DAT 'u shall pick up deadly snake & it shall not hurt u' (deliberate act). To cut a long story short, cobra struck pastor (wit is faith as big as a water Mellon, apologies to Hardmirror) and d poor dude died.
His son took over, declaring his fathers death can't weaken his faith. Long story short, d cobra did to him like it did his dad n d poor dude joined his father in hades. ( u can Google d story).
Com n c xtians yabbing dem, calling dem fools! Saying dey are tempting God, so it serves dem right! Then I tot to myself, wat if d cobra bit dem n nothing happened, dey were not harmed ( just like Jesus promised) same xtians will b jumping upandan (luv dis new word, oxford take note) pointing @ d miracle as proof of gods word.
D day xtians ( n Muslims) start looking at d bible logically, dats d day d scales will start falling off their eyes. Funny enough most xtians no dis, dats y dey always say God is not logical, (just like we all no Allah is not logical)

CHARLOE:
I remember a story also, of a pastor in america, who exercised his faith by preaching beside a live cobra! After all Jesus promises his followers DAT 'u shall pick up deadly snake & it shall not hurt u' (deliberate act). To cut a long story short, cobra struck pastor (wit is faith as big as a water Mellon, apologies to Hardmirror) and d poor dude died.
His son took over, declaring his fathers death can't weaken his faith. Long story short, d cobra did to him like it did his dad n d poor dude joined his father in hades. ( u can Google d story).
Com n c xtians yabbing dem, calling dem fools! Saying dey are tempting God, so it serves dem right! Then I tot to myself, wat if d cobra bit dem n nothing happened, dey were not harmed ( just like Jesus promised) same xtians will b jumping upandan (luv dis new word, oxford take note) pointing @ d miracle as proof of gods word.
D day xtians ( n Muslims) start looking at d bible logically, dats d day d scales will start falling off their eyes. Funny enough most xtians no dis, dats y dey always say God is not logical, (just like we all no Allah is not logical)

Hehehehehe

Image123:


Faith is not the same as gambling or pool staking. Faith is personal, nobody should tell you to throw away your inhaler, that is not faith.

What about the Widow of Zarephath? When she used her last flour to make bread for Elisha, was that faith or not?

What is faith according to your definition?

You seem to think that throwing inhaler away is a form of gambling. Why?

I'm curious to know how you redefine faith.

[size=17pt].. Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit. 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. [/size][size=15pt]. Though I did not read your story all through, but the little I read, I will give it to you, you are a good Orator, and Thank God you were used mightily By God as you claim.
This is where a lot of Young Christians get it wrong, You use all your Christian days to pursue Power and anointing, still you don't understand the Love of God. That is why in that last days,many will come before his throne claiming to have raise up the dead in Jesus name, but still he will tell them, I don't know you. You need to know God really not his power and authority. This is the basis of strong Christian faith.
Moreover,if you don't belief in God, why did you believe in shame(the fear of your old converts knowing who you really are now...you beleif that there disappointment in you will be so real when it hits you). You should believe that one day Death will catch up to you, then you will know what you shall become. [/size]

HardMirror:

Imagine the rubbish of a defense image123 is putting up for God. Later they would say god created the inhaler

[quote author=raphieMontella post=49534277]
wrong conclusion..
I dont believe in yahweh.[/quot]
[b]. [size=20pt].[Spoken:]
This song is to remind you of the winner within
Regardless of what you've seen
Regardless of what you've heard
You are a conqueror
You are the head and not the tail
Above and not beneath
The first and not the last
You are a conqueror, a conqueror
A CONQUEROR

[Verse 1:]
I have the power over the enemy
No weapon formed shall prosper against me
Greater is he that is within me
In the end I'll recieve what he has for me

[Chorus:]
I am a conqueror
Through him that loves me I have the victory
I won't be defeated
(Ohhh ohhh)
I'll keep on believing
(Yea Yea)
Every work started in me shall be completed
I am a conqueror
(Conqueror)
Conqueror
(Conqueror)
Conqueror
(Conqueror)
Conqueror
(Conqueror)
Conqueror
(Conqueror)
Conqueror

[Repeat Verse 1]

[Chorus]

[Bridge:]
There is a winner in me
Thanks be to God who gives me the victory
[Repeat 3x and modulate]

[Chorus]

[Spoken]
...Now can all my conquerors make some noise up in here?
Lift your voice
If you are victorious, c'mon claim your victory
and help me say this part in here
Here we go

[Hook:]
I can do all things through Christ that strengthens me
I am, I am
More than a conqueror
[Repeat 2x after lead and modulate]
I'm more than a conqueror
(More than a conqueror)
I'm more than a conqueror
(More than a conqueror)
I'm more than a conqueror, yea
(More than a conqueror)
I'm more than a conqueror
(More than a conqueror)
Now unto him
(More than a conqueror)
Who is able to keep me
(More than a conqueror)
Because of him I'm more than...
(More than a conqueror)
Because of him I'm more than...
(More than a conqueror)
I can do all things
(More than a conqueror)
Through Christ that strengthens me
(More than a conqueror)
I'm more than a conqueror
(More than a conqueror)
I'm more than a conqueror, yea

[Spoken:]
All the conquers make some noise
C'mon make some noise in here
If you're a conqueror
Shout out
"I'm more than a Conqueror"
Yeaaaa [/size] [/b]

HardMirror:

How more confused can you folks be?
Someone believed god 100% and threw her inhaler away, knowing God had healed her. She gets an asthma attack some days later. And one christian said it is cos she lacked faith (what??!!) Then you another christian said she should not have thrown her inhaler away. So you can still blame her when she keeps using the inhaler saying she does not have faith that is why she is clinging to the inhaler.
You are all a bunch of jokers

Actually, you are the confused one here. i have always maintained my stand on faith. Faith is PERSONAL, it is not a pastor's instruction. Faith has to be personal and ALIVE. It is unto you, according to YOUR faith, not according to another's. There is nothing scriptural about a pastor telling you to throw away your inhaler. i follow the Bible, not people's experience. If you follow the Bible, there is no gamble there. Your statement is ironic and contradictory, IF God has healed her she would not have an attack, would she? For instance, i once had hyperopia. i prayed to God in faith and it was taken away. i have my glasses till today. It's somewhere at home, all i need to do is search for it. i did not throw it away, neither have i EVER used it BTW. EVER, and i can guarantee that i see better than you. But God healed me, i prayed in faith and it left. Faith is not in the keeping or the throwing away, God sees the heart and motives.

HardMirror:

We are very familiar with this tactic.
Once people reveal the secret of what they are actually passing through, you quickly label them as faithless.
How small is a mustard seed? For me to throw my inhaler away, it shows I have a faith bigger than a water melon.
Keep fooling yourself

God lead is today just like He led the first Christian s.His words works now just like it did then.It has not changed. The spirit of God has not changed. God does not change.

the early believers did not have one church back then,and we have another Church now.We have made mistake in thinking that. WE are in the same Church. We have the same Holy spirit. it has seemed to us, however, that they had a whole lot we Dont have. Not so.


For as many as are led by the spirit of God, they are the sons of God.(ROM.8:14)

note. it does not say, For as many as are led by the spirit of the pastor, they are the sons of God.


If your friend believe is healing is certain from God and not his pastor then he will be healed .

receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. James 1:21

HardMirror:

Imagine the rubbish of a defense image123 is putting up for God. Later they would say god created the inhaler

i do not think i defended God, He needs no such defence. i simply explained what happened. Pastor is not God, and faith is personal. Jesus Himself said several times that it is unto you according to YOUR faith. Except in rare cases where a man has an ESTABLISHED gift of healing and working of miracles, healing and receiving from God is normally according to the individual's faith. And faith's demonstration is not necessarily a throwing away of inhalers as i have stated in the previous post. And yes, God created you, and all things.

folawiyoma:






God lead is today just like He led the first Christian s.His words works now just like it did then.It has not changed. The spirit of God has not changed. God does not change.

the early believers did not have one church back then,and we have another Church now.We have made mistake in thinking that. WE are in the same Church. We have the same Holy spirit. it has seemed to us, however, that they had a whole lot we Dont have. Not so.


For as many as are led by the spirit of God, they are the sons of God.(ROM.8:14)

note. it does not say, For as many as are led by the spirit of the pastor, they are the sons of God.


If your friend believe is healing is certain from God and not his pastor then he will be healed .

receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. James 1:21

Arrant nonsense!

Image123:


i do not think i defended God, He needs no such defence. i simply explained what happened. Pastor is not God, and faith is personal. Jesus Himself said several times that it is unto you according to YOUR faith. Except in rare cases where a man has an ESTABLISHED gift of healing and working of miracles, healing and receiving from God is normally according to the individual's faith. And faith's demonstration is not necessarily a throwing away of inhalers as i have stated in the previous post. And yes, God created you, and all things.

Abeg park well jor, always shifting d goal post wit ur weak defence.

PastorAIO:


What about the Widow of Zarephath? When she used her last flour to make bread for Elisha, was that faith or not?

What is faith according to your definition?

You seem to think that throwing inhaler away is a form of gambling. Why?

I'm curious to know how you redefine faith.

i have not redefined faith. Faith remains the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It is loyalty and trust IN GOD. You gamble when you do not hear from God. When you hear from man and from yourself, you would be gambling. When you hear from God and can confirm it, you can take it to the bank. i perceive you may ask further questions on that, but remember that the Word of God has to be alive, what they call rhema. If Peter says he will go and walk on water because Jesus said he should last month, he will likely drown. That is not a stable all time instruction. That's rhema. Or he goes and cast his net the other side every single time, because Jesus once said it and the net brake. You see that towards John 21v3 for instance. That is why somethings may work before or another person, doesn't automatically mean it works for you or now. Faith is NOW, like you don't use yesterday's oxygen to breathe today.

On the widow of Zarephath, the cases are very different. One, it is not a case of healing, two it is old testament, three Elijah is a prophet, a known national ESTABLISHED prophet for that matter. The whole country knew that he hears from the Lord and the proof was clear to the blind and deaf even. Elijah's instruction was FROM THE LORD and he stated it clearly. The woman asked queried him and he had to explain. She was going to die anyway, and Elijah did not say she should give him all her food but that she should share it, giving him first. VERY DIFFERENT. Some mushroom pastor telling you to throw away your support is not scriptural but simply a gamble.

1Ki 17:1 And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.

1Ki 17:10 So he arose and went to Zarephath. And when he came to the gate of the city, behold, the widow woman was there gathering of sticks: and he called to her, and said, Fetch me, I pray thee, a little water in a vessel, that I may drink.
1Ki 17:11 And as she was going to fetch it, he called to her, and said, Bring me, I pray thee, a morsel of bread in thine hand.
1Ki 17:12 And she said, As the LORD thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but a handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die.
1Ki 17:13 And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son.
1Ki 17:14 For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth.
1Ki 17:15 And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days.

CHARLOE:

Abeg park well jor, always shifting d goal post wit ur weak defence.

You've not said anything, stop wasting data.

Image123:


Actually, you are the confused one here. i have always maintained my stand on faith. Faith is PERSONAL, it is not a pastor's instruction. Faith has to be personal and ALIVE. It is unto you, according to YOUR faith, not according to another's. There is nothing scriptural about a pastor telling you to throw away your inhaler. i follow the Bible, not people's experience. If you follow the Bible, there is no gamble there. Your statement is ironic and contradictory, IF God has healed her she would not have an attack, would she? For instance, i once had hyperopia. i prayed to God in faith and it was taken away. i have my glasses till today. It's somewhere at home, all i need to do is search for it. i did not throw it away, neither have i EVER used it BTW. EVER, and i can guarantee that i see better than you. But God healed me, i prayed in faith and it left. Faith is not in the keeping or the throwing away, God sees the heart and motives.

You are still saying rubbish. You say faith is personal. So the woman acting on Elijah's instruction, who cooked her last meal for the prophet was acting on what? What of the woman with the little jar of oil. What of those who followed the instructions of Jesus to get their miracles?
A lady acted in faith and just because she did not get her miracle, you now say faith is not a function of acting out an instruction from your spiritual leader. You just prooved to me to be nothing but an hypocrite.

ANDREW2EIC:
@HardMirror and other atheists in the house.


I am a Christian, admittedly not a fire brigade type of Christian. I have followed the story and comments from the part 1 to this very second part and I must admit that I have learnt one or two things. However, I have some reservations which I need you guys to help me quash by making things clearer.

I have seen some of you guys proclaimed "I am a Satanist", "praise be to Satan" and the likes. Each time I see comments like the ones I highlighted above, I feel that you guys are sounding contradictory and that really gets me more confused. So my questions are :

Do you guys actually believe in the existence of Satan to warrant such comments? If that is the case, are there any proofs that s/he(Satan) actually exists? But if that is not the case, why do you guys make such comments?

Atheism is a replacement of:
God of Creation
god of Self

Which is a branch of Satanism

Most in the church of Satan are actually atheists. There are only few Satanists that are into the spiritual side of devotion.

Atheists will claim that Atheism is no religion and that is partially true because self through reason is their god. They choose therefore to follow their own rules and judgement about any issue.

Its not a surprise!

Prophetically, atheism will be on the rise and will overwhelmingly outnumber the Christian theists. Because of increase in lawlessness (godlessness) even the love of many Christians will wax cold.

Only grace will save Christians then: the tide has begun watch out!

HardMirror:

You are still saying rubbish. You say faith is personal. So the woman acting on Elijah's instruction, who cooked her last meal for the prophet was acting on what? What of the woman with the little jar of oil. What of those who followed the instructions of Jesus to get their miracles?
A lady acted in faith and just because she did not get her miracle, you now say faith is not a function of acting out an instruction from your spiritual leader. You just prooved to me to be nothing but an hypocrite.

i'm sure you do not have a selective or partial brain and that you read my post to AIO. i do not say that faith is personal, the Bible says so. Scratch that, Jesus says so several times. If anyone knows anything about faith, Jesus does.

Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Mar 10:52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Luk 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

Faith is personal and has to be IN GOD, not in man. i mentioned RARE cases where other's faith or gifts can help. And i mentioned that such cases are usually ESTABLISHED, not a mushroom preacher somewhere. There is a clear undebateable proof to follow. Following the instructions of Jesus or Elijah is undisputable and established. i also mentioned rhema. Jesus or Elijah never told anyone to throw away anything before healing. If someone did it and it worked, good for them, but the faith or biblical practice is not in the throwing away or keeping. i even gave you a personal testimony, but of course you want to justify yourself as the usual waste of time.
Note also that the women that you mentioned never lost anything or threw away anything. They were even choiceless anyway, and they were instructed by national established and proven men of God. They took no gamble, faith is not a gamble. Throwing things away is not necessarily a act of faith. No Bible passage says that, stop being mischievous.

God is alive

Image123:


i'm sure you do not have a selective or partial brain and that you read my post to AIO. i do not say that faith is personal, the Bible says so. Scratch that, Jesus says so several times. If anyone knows anything about faith, Jesus does.

Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Mar 10:52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Luk 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

I didn't see the word personal in any scripture that you quoted above o! Unless you want to say that the woman we are discussing did not use her own faith to throw away the inhaler. It was HER faith that made her believe that it was okay to throw away her inhaler. abi?

PastorAIO:


I didn't see the word personal in any scripture that you quoted above o! Unless you want to say that the woman we are discussing did not use her own faith to throw away the inhaler. It was HER faith that made her believe that it was okay to throw away her inhaler. abi?

Don't be disingenuous, personal faith is clearly bold thy, your. Faith is on God, not on pastor words.

Image123:


Don't be disingenuous, personal faith is clearly bold thy, your. Faith is on God, not on pastor words.

So whose faith did the lady in question use to throw away the inhaler?

ifewunmy:
God is alive

It always makes me cringe to see children in pictures like that. Brainwashed like no man's business, and to no fault of their own

PastorAIO:


So whose faith did the lady in question use to throw away the inhaler?

Faith has to be IN God to be regarded as true faith, i've consistently harped on that.Trusting some unverified unbiblical unliving word of man is no faith.It's a gamble.

cloudgoddess:

It always makes me cringe to see children in pictures like that. Brainwashed like no man's business, and to no fault of their own

But you a grown lady is brainwashed to accept what is said to have ridiculously taken place millions of years ago, go and sit down jare. I'm brainwashed and there's nothing you have or desire that i don't have, I'm fine. mind your own business, or is that not the moral thing you should do?

Image123:


Faith has to be IN God to be regarded as true faith, i've consistently harped on that.Trusting some unverified unbiblical unliving word of man is no faith.It's a gamble.

Olboy, let me ask my question again in as simple engrish as I can manage.

I didn't ask you what she had faith IN.

I asked you, and I ask again, Whose Faith did she use to throw away the inhaler? Was it her own personal Faith, or was it a faith she perhaps borrowed from you?

Talk o, whether na you get the faith wey she dey use that is why you are so sure it is not her personal faith.

Faith is a personal experience.My conclusion, if you've had a personal experience or personal miracle that is worth to still keep ur faith in God, my dear continue BT if nt it is a two way thing, ask God for the experience or keep being an atheist.

CHARLOE:
I remember a story also, of a pastor in america, who exercised his faith by preaching beside a live cobra! After all Jesus promises his followers DAT 'u shall pick up deadly snake & it shall not hurt u' (deliberate act). To cut a long story short, cobra struck pastor (wit is faith as big as a water Mellon, apologies to Hardmirror) and d poor dude died.
His son took over, declaring his fathers death can't weaken his faith. Long story short, d cobra did to him like it did his dad n d poor dude joined his father in hades. ( u can Google d story).
Com n c xtians yabbing dem, calling dem fools! Saying dey are tempting God, so it serves dem right! Then I tot to myself, wat if d cobra bit dem n nothing happened, dey were not harmed ( just like Jesus promised) same xtians will b jumping upandan (luv dis new word, oxford take note) pointing @ d miracle as proof of gods word.
D day xtians ( n Muslims) start looking at d bible [/b]logically[b], dats d day d scales will start falling off their eyes. Funny enough most xtians no dis, dats y dey always say God is not logical, (just like we all no Allah is not logical)

Sir, I don't wish to argue with this (your write up), nor do I wish to prove anything to you. I believe in God (And Jesus) because I Know Him, not only because I have the Bible.


Go through your write up again Sir BECAUSE with just one word, you've totally proven that you really don't know what you're doing BUT just like folks that mislead other gullible people, you were misled too.


One Love sir .