lexiconkabir:


Stop being mischievous, what's the sentence before that? I said once there is a clear evidence, no more ijtihad

dont know whats the problem with quoting. Anyways, yes, you did say if there is clear evidence. But when i gave you Quran and hadith on how to do this and that using your understanding of sahaba, you said nothing bcus there was no clear evidence.

As for sects thing, honestly, that's IRRELEVANT. sufi, salafi etc are irrelevant. It is clear to me now why Muslims are backward and cant use their Allah's given brain. This is not obligatory ritual but a matter that evolves. And i cited many things that if waiting on how the sahaba and prophet(saw) did this and that, how then you trust medical doctors when they prescribed something for you?. You snubbed all these. Why not challenge the doctor where he got this prescriptions from?. This is really funny. Break the shackle of rigid feelings. It doesn't allow thinking faculty. I gave clear example of sahab using their ijtihad. Honestly i really dont want to go further on this. You have a diff understanding just like others. But the problem is inability to think outside the box.

Empiree:
dont know whats the problem with quoting. Anyways, yes, you did say if there is clear evidence. But when i gave you Quran and hadith on how to do this and that using your understanding of sahab, you said nothing bcus there was no clear evidence.

As for sects things, honestly, that's IRRELEVANT. sufi, salafi etc are irrelevant. It is clear to me now why Muslims are backward and cant use their Allah's given brain. This is i not obligatory ritual but a matter that evolves. And i cited many things that if waiting on how the saaba and prophet(saw) do this and that, how then you trust medical doctors when they prescribed something for you?. You snubbed all these. Why not challenge the doctor where he got this?. This is really funny. Break the shackle of rigid feelings. It doesnt allow thinking faculty. I gave clear example of sahab using their ijtihad. Honestly i really dont want to go further on this. You have a diff understand just like others. But the problem is inability to think outside the box.

Ok.

@lexiconkabir

I have always believed in arguing to change what's wrong, but there comes a time when a person should distinct between serious and unserious arguments.There is no need arguing with people who are in for baseless, inconsistent and useless arguments or people who argue just the for sake of arguing. The best thing to do is to say salam and move on.

I would advice all parties (myself inclusive) to sincerely remove their egos and take the time to read through the topic and post and then reflect on the type of responses presented. I would like everyone to ask themselves

Was my response appropriate to the issues raised?
What are the evidences for the argument I presented?
Did I misunderstand something at some point?
Do I need to research more on the topic?
What were my intentions towards the issues raised? Was it to argue or to understand?


I ask Allah to grant everyone of us guidance and to make it easy to worship him in a manner that is correct and sound.

Ma' salam

[size=15pt]Solution To Jalabi & Its Malpractices:[/size]

To kill them and eradicate the practice COMPLETELY or,

Train them and properly coordinate the practice?

Your opinion matters. Give your thoughts

I Shall In Sha Allah return here as time permits to make my contribution

Killing Them

Some Nigerian scholars have raised concerns over Jalabi practice. Most of their criticisms only deal with negative side of it. They have gone as far as issuing FATWA to kill those people citing classical and medieval scholars. Although these scholars or to be specific, a scholar in particular that I personally listened to on this subject, in his lecture titled "Bid'a" , said they should be killed.

He said this as the ONLY way to curb Magic, Shirk and Kufr in Yorubaland. Although his statement or verdict goes beyond just jalabi. He mostly addressed this practice whether it is done by Muslims, christians or the local religion known as herbalists. He cited many evidences of magic prevalent in the land attacking innocent people by shir or witchcraft. That many people suffering some sorts of spiritual attack today are as a result of this practice. His evidence is when herbalist is broke, he spreads his evil in the air to attack people physically or spiritually and in return, he would be consulted. This is no doubt a good point he raised. It is the same as auto mechanic who prays someone's car breaks down. That's the picture.

He also cited Saudi as a case study that anyone caught with magic etc are beheaded. That killing them kills evil completely in the society. This is Nigeria and especially Yorubaland which is relatively peaceful. Is killing Jalabi people an option?.


What is JALABI?

Jalabi is an extant historical phenomenon with strong socio-religious impacts in Yorubaland, south-western part of Nigeria. It is among the preparatory Dawah strategies devised by the Yoruba Ulama following the general mainstream Africa to condition the minds of the indigenous people for the acceptance of Islam. This strategy is reflected in certain socio-religious services rendered to the clients, which include, but not limited to, spiritual consultation and healing, such as petitionary Dua (prayer), divination through sand-cutting, rosary selection, charm-making, and an act of officiating at various religious functions. In view of its historicity, the framework of this research paper revolves around three stages identified to have been aligned with the evolution of Jalabi, viz. Dawah, which marked its initial stage, livelihood into which it had evolved over the course of time, and which, in turn, had predisposed it to the third stage, namely syncretism.

Triangulation method will be adopted for qualitative data collection, such as interviews, personal observation, and classified manuscript collections, and will be interpretively and critically analyzed to enhance the veracity of the research findings. The orality of the Yoruba culture has greatly influenced the researcher’s decision to seek data beyond the written words in order to give this long-standing phenomenon its due of study and to help understand the many dimensions it has assumed over time, as well as its both positive and adverse effects on the socio-religious live of the Yoruba people of Nigeria. ~ Prof. Dr. Hassan Ahmad Ibrahim

This is a brief description of the practice. We see clearly that its essence is Dawah (Islamic propagation) and medicine. It is the same basic essence in the Western world. They propagate their ideal and healthcare practices. This is also the reason everyone wants to go their for "medical checkup" to get the best medicare. And they dont care to spend millions of naira either by donations, hard earned money or sponsors.


To be continue.....in sha Allah

@Empiree, It is not a Yoruba thing.

daretodiffer:
@Emp.iree, It is not a Yoruba thing.

Ys, could be true. But can you please elaborate. Thanks

People go to alfas because the country is bad, arrays of problems are created by useless "leaders".
Life is very difficult so people look for ways to survive, one way is to go to alfa to contact God for solution.

If you are in a country where all kinds of nigerias' problems are not there, going to alfa thing would not be there.

More grease to ur elbow. may Allah in his infinite mercy impact more knowledge on you.I love this write up

Nice write up op. You are right of course, Allah knows best. It is just the mental laziness of Muslims and impatience for the 'good things' of this world that even permits these conmen to operate. Any halfway knowledgeable Muslim can see that only Allah can bring benefit or harm to mankind. It is all over the Quran and hadith. Any Muslim should know that there are no positions for such people in Islam... for example...

-There is a hadith that no person has the right to name the child more than the chikd's father. The aqeeqah includes circumcision, sacrificing and sharing a ram or goat or two, on the child's behalf, then shaving the child's hair and giving out an equal weight in silver as charity to the poor. What is the Alfa's function there?

-The conditions to any marriage are the guardian and the bride's consent, the mahr or bridal gift, the two Muslim witnesses, and the proposal and acceptance. What do we need Alfa there for?

-The Sunnah janazah or funeral is more rightly conducted by the closest relative to the deceased. A group of Muslims gather, led by the relative, they supplicate to Allah to have mercy on the deceased, then they put him/her into his/her grave and go home. What concerns alfa there again?

-As you pointed out, salat al istikhara, seeking direct guidance from Allah, or supplicating to Him for our needs is the only Islamically recommended way of seeking aid. We even recite numerous times a day...

<<You Alone we worship, and You Alone we seek for help from>>

...at least 17 times a day in surat al Fatiha, then stand up and go seek help from conmen.

-There is no single hadith that endorses killing ram/ chicken/ cow for completing a part of the Quran in recitation. Muslims recite it weekly or monthly, especially during Ramadhan, and complete it without any fanfare. Which one be gift to Alfa again? Especially when many 5 year old Muslim children with knowledgeable parents can recite the Quran with proper tajweed a thousand times better than all these Alfas...no exaggeration there... their recitation is usually incomprehensible to any Arabic speaker.

AFAIK, there is no single ceremony, ritual prayer, supplication or any other activity in Islam that requires the presence of an Alfa. Add to that the fact that these Alfas cannot even recite the Quran properly, or even understand ten words of Arabic, and there is zero value in buying insincere supplications traded on the open market. When Muslims educate themselves on the proper way of doing things, all these Alfas will gradually die out, and their con will become redundant. Insha Allah very soon. Allahul Musta'an.

Btw, 'Alfa' is not even an Arabic word. Any theory on its origin?

lexiconkabir:


For me i will categorize them into three;

Alfa óní sunnah i.e the Ahlul sunnah Alfa, this one follows the book of Allaah, the sunnah of Muhammad(pbuh) according to the understanding of the pious salafs(predecessors).

Alfa óní bid'a i.e the Ahlul bid'a Alfa, this one is either ignorant of the sunnah or deliberately ignore the sunnah, these are the Alfas that do jalabi, fortune telling, work with jinns and other acts that goes against the sunnah of Muhammad(pbuh).

Alfa óní khaarijee i.e the Alhul khawaareej, this one knows about the sunnah and try to claim he follows it, whereas in fact he is not, he calls everyone a kafir, he sees himself and his followers as the only Muslims, a typical example is a man called jabata in Ilorin that says "kullu bid'atin kufr" whereas the prophet said "kullu bid'atin dhalaala"

. What a great religious leader Jabata would have being! I was once his ardent follower before he derailed (wayback unilorin days 2005/2006). I attended all his sunday lectures at Ilorin central mosque. He was challenged by many scholars in Ilorin to provide evidence in Qur'an or Sunnah that supports his idealogy but he was recalcitrant. I witnessed the argument that brought his defeat by Uztads Sarumi and that marked the end of his lectures in the mosque. May Allah guide us aright

Farmerforlife:
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In todays nigeria, many alfas and pastors can be called original baba alawo.

I think the word Alfa was coined by my brothers from the south from the first Arabic letter alif just as mallam used in the north was coined from muallim. They all refer to a person who is knowledgeable about Islam but nowadays it's used to refer to almost every Muslim may be out of respect or otherwise even if he lacks Islamic knowledge.
A muallim or an Alfa is supposed to educate and enlighten people on Islam using the Quran and hadith as manuals and will references.
Today, some people who are actually shamans and are involved in shirk hide under those names to mislead other Muslims and spread corruption on earth but even most if them don't realise.
In the north, they are called mallaman tsubbu to differentiate them from the actual mallaman musulunci.
It's emphatic for every Muslim to learn tawheed so as to vaccinate him or herself against such people.

Alfa was coined from "Alif"

juman:


In todays nigeria, many alfas and pastors can be called original baba alawo.

Then they should just throw off the disguise and open shrines.

juman:
People go to alfas because the country is bad, arrays of problems are created by useless "leaders".
Life is very difficult so people look for ways to survive, one way is to go to alfa to contact God for solution.
If you are in a country where all kinds of nigerias' problems are not there, going to alfa thing would not be there.

The alfas just compound their problems and dont solve anything. Also, even rich people frequent alfas, especially women. All these rich business women that call alfa to do special prayers for spoiling their neighbour's shop and make their husbands divorce second wife, are they suffering? Besides, it is not only in Nigeria. Women seem to have problems that require alfas everywhere.

lexiconkabir:


Have you noticed that awòn óní jàlábì are common in Ilorin more than any other place in Nigeria?

How did you come up wit that conclusion?... Or observations.... Have you been to the north before? Where did you compare with ilorin to get that?....

Cc..Jarus, I need your help here.

greetings:


How did you come up wit that conclusion?... Or observations.... Have you been to the north before? Where did you compare with ilorin to get that?....

Cc..Jarus, I need your help here.

I am from kwara state and i live in Ilorin.

Jazakillahu khairan

rbjimoh:
. What a great religious leader Jabata would have being! I was once his ardent follower before he derailed (wayback unilorin days 2005/2006). I attended all his sunday lectures at Ilorin central mosque. He was challenged by many scholars in Ilorin to provide evidence in Qur'an or Sunnah that supports his idealogy but he was recalcitrant. I witnessed the argument that brought his defeat by Uztads Sarumi and that marked the end of his lectures in the mosque. May Allah guide us aright

I remember back then too.. You see, there's a thin line between extreme and moderate.... But in this deen... It is clear... Evidence below... Islam has been perfected thousands of years ago... Stick to it.!


On the authority Abi Ab’dillahi al-Nu’man ibn Basheer (ra) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: “That which is lawful is clear and that which is unlawful is clear and between the two of them are doubtful [or ambiguous] matters about which not many people are knowledgeable. Thus, he who avoids these doubtful matters certainly clears himself in regard to his religion and his honor. But he who falls into the doubtful matters falls into that which is unlawful like the shepherd who pastures around a sanctuary, all but grazing therein. Verily every king has a sanctuary and Allah’s sanctuary is His prohibition. In the body there is a morsel of flesh which, if it be sound, all the body is sound and which, if it be diseased, all the body is diseased. This part of the body is the heart”.



[Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim]

lexiconkabir:


I am from kwara state and i live in Ilorin.

I'm also from kwara state and I live in ilorin.... And I know for sure it's not more in ilorin because I've lived in for some periods in Lagos, ogun, osun, bauchi, Kaduna, Kano and Abuja ....

Bro, na where your leg reach you know o... If I tell you what obtains in the north as to these Alfa things.. Very rampant... It's almost like a norm.

greetings:


I'm also from kwara state and I live in ilorin.... And I know for sure it's not more in ilorin because I've lived in for some periods in Lagos, ogun, osun, bauchi, Kaduna, Kano and Abuja ....

Bro, na where your leg reach you know o... If I tell you what obtains in the north as to these Alfa things.. Very rampant... It's almost like a norm.

Then i was wrong..... Thanks for the correction.

juman:


In todays nigeria, many alfas and pastors can be called original baba alawo.

Walai, I completly agree. Damn, some Alfa now even do like Cele people... Agbon, ori eke and aso funfun like onifa...

greetings:



Walai, I completly agree. Damn, some Alfa now even do like Cele people... Agbon, ori eke and aso funfun like onifa...

I guess they combine the two to attract customers from both religions.

greetings:


I'm also from kwara state and I live in ilorin.... And I know for sure it's not more in ilorin because I've lived in for some periods in Lagos, ogun, osun, bauchi, Kaduna, Kano and Abuja ....

Bro, na where your leg reach you know o... If I tell you what obtains in the north as to these Alfa things.. Very rampant... It's almost like a norm.

lexiconkabir:


Then i was wrong..... Thanks for the correction.

If you mean Alfa as a person who tells the unseen, predict the future or ask you to offer sacrifices in someones name besides God, then below is my reply....

What you said about Alfa almost being a norm in the North (particularly Kano am interested) is NOT correct. If you says decade(s) ago, I may agree with you. But not anymore, in fact there is no place in Nigeria where the authentic teaching of Islam is preached as Kano, thanks to JIBWIS Nigeria. Most people who believe in Alfa are as well doing bid'as. Presently majority of Kano people are following the sunnah of Muhammad pbum, and it's increasing everyday. Thanks to JIBWIS Nigeria.

Jazakallah khaira

FriendChoice:




If you mean Alfa as a person who tells the unseen, predict the future or ask you to offer sacrifices in someones name besides God, then below is my reply....

What you said about Alfa almost being a norm in the North (particularly Kano am interested) is NOT correct. If you says decade(s) ago, I may agree with you. But not anymore, in fact there is no place in Nigeria where the authentic teaching of Islam is preached as Kano, thanks to JIBWIS Nigeria. Most people who believe in Alfa are as well doing bid'as. Presently majority of Kano people are following the sunnah of Muhammad pbum, and it's increasing everyday. Thanks to JIBWIS Nigeria.

Toh! Lexiconkabir, here's a more informed person as to Kano.... My time in Kano was almost a decade ago... So maybe a lot has changed. Alhamdulillah, it's a great development then.

Salamalekum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu!

Nice write up may Allah continue to guide us all and make us true followers of Islam, ameen!
Salamalekum !

I just want to add a few things or maybe clarify a few things as it relates to one of the items that talks about going to others(persons that you perceive are of closer ties/relationship to Allah). In the time of "The Prophet" PBUH, before his passing he mentioned to his companions that there would be a person(a man) that would come along, when he does, ask him to pray for you. The name of this individual is Uwais al-Qarani may Allah have mercy upon him. I have also included a link below as evidence.

http://www.sunnah.org/history/Uwais_al_Qarani.htm

This to me, tell me that we are allowed as alot of us do, to reach out to Alfas and others for prayers. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it as a practice!

I pray that Allah forgive our short comings and accept our deen, ameen!

BTW, What's the meaning of "Alfa"? Is it known from the Arabic language or Urdu or any indigenous language in Nigeria?

I prefer to call them Teachers or preachers or scholars of Islam coz that's their work aside from how they meet their worldly ends. But the laziness in many people made them what they're not meant for or suppose to become.

waLlaahu musta'an

[color=#006600][/color] what abt d great *AK QURAN which stated that *dont think ur prayers maybe answer more than that of our messengers* I suggest u are some. kind of s**t cuz u lack d basic criteria for ur thread.

IAIT:
Salamalekum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu!

Nice write up may Allah continue to guide us all and make us true followers of Islam, ameen!
Salamalekum !

I just want to add a few things or maybe clarify a few things as it relates to one of the items that talks about going to others(persons that you perceive are of closer ties/relationship to Allah). In the time of "The Prophet" PBUH, before his passing he mentioned to his companions that there would be a person(a man) that would come along, when he does, ask him to pray for you. The name of this individual is Uwais al-Qarani may Allah have mercy upon him. I have also included a link below as evidence.

http://www.sunnah.org/history/Uwais_al_Qarani.htm

That was specific for Uwis al Qarani (may Allah be pleased with him). Asides that it wasn't a custom for the Sahabas to ask others to make dua for them.

This to me, tell me that we are allowed as alot of us do, to reach out to Alfas and others for prayers. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it as a practice!

I pray that Allah forgive our short comings and accept our deen, ameen!

Wa alaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

With regard to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) advising his companions to ask Uways al-Qurani to make du’aa’ for them, this only applied to his case.The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not tell anyone among his Sahaabah to ask anyone to make du’aa’ for them and it wasn't a custom of the sahabas to do so.

Note: I didn't mentioned that it was not permissible to ask others to make dua but I cited Shaykh ibn‘Uthaymeen, who said it was better and more appropriate not to do so. You can read more about it in the link below.

https://islamqa.info/en/1945

And Allah knows best.

Contact17:


Wa alaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

With regard to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) advising his companions to ask Uways al-Qurani to make du’aa’ for them, this only applied to his case.The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not tell anyone among his Sahaabah to ask anyone to make du’aa’ for them and it wasn't a custom of the sahabas to do so.

Note: I didn't mentioned that it was not permissible to ask others to make dua but I cited Shaykh ibn‘Uthaymeen, who said it was better and more appropriate not to do so. You can read more about it in the link below.

https://islamqa.info/en/1945

And Allah knows best.

I will not go as far as saying asking some to make dua for you is 'Shirk' as OP had mentioned. I was only merely pointing out with evidence that it is very permissible to ask someone to make dua for you.

You may agree with me that there is enough evidence on both sides of the aisle on this topic. If you as a muslim are OK with asking someone to make dua for you then go ahead and if you feel like not doing so then thats fine too.

I am a big proponent for asking Alfas to pray on an individuals behalf with one condition, as long you know they are not your God.

May Allah forgive our short comings and give us the barakah for attempting to gain from one another, ameen!