CHARLOE:
I remember a story also, of a pastor in america, who exercised his faith by preaching beside a live cobra! After all Jesus promises his followers DAT 'u shall pick up deadly snake & it shall not hurt u' (deliberate act). To cut a long story short, cobra struck pastor (wit is faith as big as a water Mellon, apologies to Hardmirror) and d poor dude died.
His son took over, declaring his fathers death can't weaken his faith. Long story short, d cobra did to him like it did his dad n d poor dude joined his father in hades. ( u can Google d story).
Com n c xtians yabbing dem, calling dem fools! Saying dey are tempting God, so it serves dem right! Then I tot to myself, wat if d cobra bit dem n nothing happened, dey were not harmed ( just like Jesus promised) same xtians will b jumping upandan (luv dis new word, oxford take note) pointing @ d miracle as proof of gods word.
D day xtians ( n Muslims) start looking at d bible logically, dats d day d scales will start falling off their eyes. Funny enough most xtians no dis, dats y dey always say God is not logical, (just like we all no Allah is not logical)

Sir, I don't wish to argue with this (your write up), nor do I wish to prove anything to you. I believe in God (And Jesus) because I Know Him, not only because I have the Bible.


Go through your write up again Sir BECAUSE with just one word, you've totally proven that you really don't know what you're doing BUT just like folks that mislead other gullible people, you were misled too.


One Love sir .

PastorAIO:

Olboy, let me ask my question again in as simple engrish as I can manage.

I didn't ask you what she had faith IN.

I asked you, and I ask again, Whose Faith did she use to throw away the inhaler? Was it her own personal Faith, or was it a faith she perhaps borrowed from you?

Talk o, whether na you get the faith wey she dey use that is why you are so sure it is not her personal faith.

i answered you already, you were too busy fumbling with your knickers perhaps. i said NO FAITH. Anything not based on God is unbelief. Ever heard "have faith in God"?
You're blindly bent on winning a useless semantics argument as against understanding the primary issue at hand. Not my problem, not my fault. But you should know by now that's not happening.

cloudgoddess:

It always makes me cringe to see children in pictures like that. Brainwashed like no man's business, and to no fault of their own

So are you willing to brainwash them in your own damned version of hopelessness?
You hate God so much girl, and hate might eat you up fast.
Ill wish I could know what you would have made of your life in about 20 years from now

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i answered you already, you were too busy fumbling with your knickers perhaps. i said NO FAITH. Anything not based on God is unbelief. Ever heard "have faith in God"?
You're blindly bent on winning a useless semantics argument as against understanding the primary issue at hand. Not my problem, not my fault. But you should know by now that's not happening.

You're talking absolute nonsense.

You are resorting to that typical bigotry that you often resort too. Claiming to know what is the contents of somebody else's heart and whether they are 'true scotsmen' or not. At no point in the story did we hear that the woman had faith in the pastor, she had faith in no one else but God.

I find it despicable, the way people such as you go about victim blaming when it's obvious that you nothing but a scam. When any of your claims fail then you can blame the failure on the victims lack of faith. How disgusting!!!
Yet if she never had an asthma attack ever again you will be the first to jump up and down praising your God who is nothing more that a projection of your bigoted self.
Semantics ko, Jagbajantis ni.

PastorAIO:


You're talking absolute nonsense.

You are resorting to that typical bigotry that you often resort too. Claiming to know what is the contents of somebody else's heart and whether they are 'true scotsmen' or not. At no point in the story did we hear that the woman had faith in the pastor, she had faith in no one else but God.

I find it despicable, the way people such as you go about victim blaming when it's obvious that you nothing but a scam. When any of your claims fail then you can blame the failure on the victims lack of faith. How disgusting!!!
Yet if she never had an asthma attack ever again you will be the first to jump up and down praising your God who is nothing more that a projection of your bigoted self.
Semantics ko, Jagbajantis ni.

Your 'proof' of faith is obedience to an unscriptural instruction from her pastor. That is not faith in God, and any faith not in God is no faith. If you cannot take that, it's your problem not mine. i've simply explained the situation of things, I'm not here to make you happy or open your understanding. Faith in God has absolutely nothing to do with throwing things away, you are free to disprove that using the Bible. Faith is not a gamble. You've never seen me or read me jump up and down praising God for gambles. What was that rubbish you said about Claiming to know what is the contents of somebody else's heart again? AIO has been a hypocrite for the many years i've known him, I'm not surprised.

winner01:
So are you willing to brainwash them in your own damned version of hopelessness?
You hate God so much girl, and hate might eat you up fast.
Ill wish I could know what you would have made of your life in about 20 years from now

She'd be a believer by then.

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Your 'proof' of faith is obedience to an unscriptural instruction from her pastor. That is not faith in God, and any faith not in God is no faith. If you cannot take that, it's your problem not mine. i've simply explained the situation of things, I'm not here to make you happy or open your understanding. Faith in God has absolutely nothing to do with throwing things away, you are free to disprove that using the Bible. Faith is not a gamble. You've never seen me or read me jump up and down praising God for gambles. What was that rubbish you said about Claiming to know what is the contents of somebody else's heart again? AIO has been a hypocrite for the many years i've known him, I'm not surprised.

You're certainly not here to make me happy. You are here to spread your bigotry. That can't make me happy, and I know that you know that.

By the way, a hypocrite is someone who holds a double standard. Like for instance saying that your religion is true because you have Faith (evidence of what is unseen) but Islam is not true even though that too is based on Faith (evidence of things unseen).

The Gambler too believes in things unseen (or at least he stakes his future on things unseen). What is the difference between a Gamble and your Faith again? Please explain it.

PastorAIO:


You're certainly not here to make me happy. You are here to spread your bigotry. That can't make me happy, and I know that you know that.

By the way, a hypocrite is someone who holds a double standard. Like for instance saying that your religion is true because you have Faith (evidence of what is unseen) but Islam is not true even though that too is based on Faith (evidence of things unseen).

The Gambler too believes in things unseen (or at least he stakes his future on things unseen). What is the difference between a Gamble and your Faith again? Please explain it.

You're starting to ramble and lose focus throwing in a lot of fallacy for a short post. Faith is in God, not on the unbiblical instruction of some mushroom pastor. Is that clear now or you have a Bible passage that says otherwise?

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You're starting to ramble and lose focus throwing in a lot of fallacy for a short post. Faith is in God, not on the unbiblical instruction of some mushroom pastor. Is that clear now or you have a Bible passage that says otherwise?

if you like hear rambling, despicable hypocrite! Everything I said point for point was addressing something that you'd said prior.

I'll repeat:

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I'm not here to make you happy or open your understanding.

I know you cannot make me happy. Bigots can't make me happy, they only rile me up.

You say that you only have Faith because it is faith in God not a person. But you will not accept if a moslem says the same thing.

Meanwhile both you and the moslem haven't spoken to god directly o, you can only make reference to a bible that was written by men no more 'mushroom' than the pastor that you are trying to distance yourself from.

Abi, did God personally give you the bible that you are reading, or did you get it from some 'mushroom' bookstore, as advised by some 'mushroom' religious leaders?

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Faith is in God, not on the unbiblical instruction of some mushroom pastor. Is that clear now or you have a Bible passage that says otherwise?

1 Corinthians 11King James Version (KJV)

11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

PastorAIO:


if you like hear rambling, despicable hypocrite! Everything I said point for point was addressing something that you'd said prior.

I'll repeat:



I know you cannot make me happy. Bigots can't make me happy, they only rile me up.

You say that you only have Faith because it is faith in God not a person. But you will not accept if a moslem says the same thing.

Meanwhile both you and the moslem haven't spoken to god directly o, you can only make reference to a bible that was written by men no more 'mushroom' than the pastor that you are trying to distance yourself from.

Abi, did God personally give you the bible that you are reading, or did you get it from some 'mushroom' bookstore, as advised by some 'mushroom' religious leaders?

Duh, settle the point and stop running far from it. We were talking of a girl that threw away her inhaler on the intruction of a pastor, remember? That is not faith as God did not tell her that, she can have faith without throwing away her inhaler. Do you now understand that, or you have any scriptures that say otherwise?

PastorAIO:




1 Corinthians 11King James Version (KJV)

11 Be ye followers of me, [b]even as I also am of Christ.

2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.[/b]

Notice the bold "even as". You do not follow man blindly, you follow them as they follow Christ. That is what the passage says. Now show us how your pastor friend followed Christ in telling the girl to throw away her inhaler as faith in God?

double.

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Duh, settle the point and stop running far from it. We were talking of a girl that threw away her inhaler on the intruction of a pastor, remember? That is not faith as God did not tell her that, she can have faith without throwing away her inhaler. Do you now understand that, or you have any scriptures that say otherwise?



Notice the bold "even as". You do not follow man blindly, you follow them as they follow Christ. That is what the passage says. Now show us how your pastor friend followed Christ in telling the girl to throw away her inhaler as faith in God?

Yes, we're talking about a girl who threw away her inhaler. You claim that you can have faith without throwing away an inhaler. That is not even a relevant point. What is relevant is that You claim that throwing away her inhaler is a sure sign that she didn't have faith in god.

How is throwing away your inhaler a sign that you don't have faith? Is that not a stupid thing to say? Isn't it daft? Jesus said that a christian should be able to pick up snakes and the bite will be harmless. It's like you've come along and said anybody that touches a snake has no faith in Christ's words.

You desperately want to discredit this pastor, but this is a man we don't know. We have no information about him other than that he is a pastor. Yet you claim that he is not a man of your god. You are just trying to disown him because he is a proven failure, just as you are, but the truth is biting you.

Paul was a man, just like the pastor, and in a passage that made it's way into the jumbled up collection of texts that you worship and revere so much he asked a church to follow him as he followed Christ. You can play your semantics any way you like but that passage puts the lie, Big lie, to your statement that:

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You gamble when you do not hear from God. When you hear from man and from yourself, you would be gambling. When you hear from God and can confirm it, you can take it to the bank.

The Corinthians Heard from Paul and paul insisted in the passage that they hold on to his teachings.

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Notice the bold "even as". You do not follow man blindly, you follow them as they follow Christ. That is what the passage says. Now show us how your pastor friend followed Christ in telling the girl to throw away her inhaler as faith in God?

Men worship Christ. Should you then worship a man as he worships christ? Can you not see how nonsensical you are sounding, just because you want to twist a text whose meaning is quite clear.

PastorAIO:



Yes, we're talking about a girl who threw away her inhaler. You claim that you can have faith without throwing away an inhaler. That is not even a relevant point. What is relevant is that You claim that throwing away her inhaler is a sure sign that she didn't have faith in god.

How is throwing away your inhaler a sign that you don't have faith? Is that not a stupid thing to say? Isn't it daft? Jesus said that a christian should be able to pick up snakes and the bite will be harmless. It's like you've come along and said anybody that touches a snake has no faith in Christ's words.

You desperately want to discredit this pastor, but this is a man we don't know. We have no information about him other than that he is a pastor. Yet you claim that he is not a man of your god. You are just trying to disown him because he is a proven failure, just as you are, but the truth is biting you.

Paul was a man, just like the pastor, and in a passage that made it's way into the jumbled up collection of texts that you worship and revere so much he asked a church to follow him as he followed Christ. You can play your semantics any way you like but that passage puts the lie, Big lie, to your statement that:



The Corinthians Heard from Paul and paul insisted in the passage that they hold on to his teachings.

Men worship Christ. Should you then worship a man as he worships christ? Can you not see how nonsensical you are sounding, just because you want to twist a text whose meaning is quite clear.

If an inhaler is not a relevant point, why do you hypocritically mention it as a sign of faith in God? Are you confused again? There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep an inhaler as a sign of faith, is there?
i'm not discrediting the pastor BTW. i have simply stated that faith should not be placed on a pastor and his sayings, but on God and His Word. i have referred to the pastor as 'mushroom', not to discredit him but in contrast to an ESTABLISHED nationally acclaimed prophet like Elijah or Elisha or Jesus that was illegally brought up. i have NEVER claimed that he is not a man of God. i hardly care if he is or not. What i have clearly and consistently said is that nobody should have faith in men's sayings and blame God. Having faith in men's sayings is simply a GAMBLE.
Paul asked christians to follow him as he followed Christ. Not daftly like zombies. He said that even if him or an angel were to bring another gospel i.e something different from the ways and teachings of Christ, we should not follow such. Another place says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. The meaning and context of the verse may be lost on you and on many, but it is actually referring to HOW you FOLLOW men of God. You are to follow them KNOWING that Jesus is unchanging. If the person is bringing up something not Jesusic or Christlike as it were, you are free not to follow. This zombiehood that you (with your self acclaimed enlightenment) misread is what make gullible people do anything their pastor/prophet says, like sleep with them, eat grass, stepping on them, flogging them etc. It is not biblical. Jesus and no bible character ever asked anyone to throw away anything to show faith. There are litererally hundreds of miracles in the Bible. No such faith was required for the miracles to be done.

Kai! See lies upon lies!!

If an inhaler is not a relevant point, why do you hypocritically mention it as a sign of faith in God? Are you confused again? There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep an inhaler as a sign of faith, is there?

Where did I say that the inhaler (in toto) was not relevant? Maybe you're not a liar maybe you just didn't read what I said properly so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and repeat what I said again -

YOUR claim that you can have faith without throwing away an inhaler is NOT a relevant point.
What is relevant is YOUR claim that throwing away her inhaler is a sure sign that she didn't have faith in God.

There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep an inhaler as a sign of faith, is there?

See yourself, monkey!! You actually say things like that as a serious point of your argument. As if the writer of the bible could even imagine that such a thing as inhaler could exist. If they see inhaler they will call it magic.

i'm not discrediting the pastor BTW.

Really? Hmmmm... What is this?

Your 'proof' of faith is obedience to an unscriptural instruction from her pastor.

Now show us how your pastor friend followed Christ in telling the girl to throw away her inhaler as faith in God?

not on the unbiblical instruction of some mushroom pastor.

So all the above and more is not an attempt to discredit the pastor? Lying hypocrite!!

And if he is not a 'nationally established pastor' nko, does that not discredit him?

Even the idea of a nationally established pastor is so utterly stupid.

nationally acclaimed prophet

Ezekiel 13: 2“Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel, who are prophesying, and say to those who prophesy from their own hearts: ‘Hear the word of the Lord!’

i have NEVER claimed that he is not a man of God. i hardly care if he is or not.

That you obviously don't care is the most glaring thing in all you've said. You don't care for the truth of any matter.

Paul asked christians to follow him as he followed Christ. Not daftly like zombies.

So if you follow Christ daftly like a zombie then you are damned, abi?

It is not biblical. Jesus and no bible character ever asked anyone to throw away anything to show faith. There are litererally hundreds of miracles in the Bible. No such faith was required for the miracles to be done.

So now if a miracle is not in the bible then that miracle cannot occur.

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If an inhaler is not a relevant point, why do you hypocritically mention it as a sign of faith in God? Are you confused again? There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep an inhaler as a sign of faith, is there?
i'm not discrediting the pastor BTW. i have simply stated that faith should not be placed on a pastor and his sayings, but on God and His Word. i have referred to the pastor as 'mushroom', not to discredit him but in contrast to an ESTABLISHED nationally acclaimed prophet like Elijah or Elisha or Jesus that was illegally brought up. i have NEVER claimed that he is not a man of God. i hardly care if he is or not. What i have clearly and consistently said is that nobody should have faith in men's sayings and blame God. Having faith in men's sayings is simply a GAMBLE.
Paul asked christians to follow him as he followed Christ. Not daftly like zombies. He said that even if him or an angel were to bring another gospel i.e something different from the ways and teachings of Christ, we should not follow such. Another place says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. The meaning and context of the verse may be lost on you and on many, but it is actually referring to HOW you FOLLOW men of God. You follow them KNOWING that Jesus is unchanging. If the person is bringing up something not Jesusic or Christlike as it were, you are free not to follow. This zombiehood that you (with your self acclaimed enlightenment) misread is what make gullible people do anything their pastor/prophet says, like sleep with them, eat grass, stepping on them, flogging them etc. It is not biblical. Jesus and no bible character ever asked anyone to throw away anything to show faith. There are litererally hundreds of miracles in the Bible. No such faith was required for the miracles to be done.

PastorAIO just dey finish this guy anyhow
abeg take am easy on am o

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If an inhaler is not a relevant point, why do you hypocritically mention it as a sign of faith in God? Are you confused again? There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep an inhaler as a sign of faith, is there?
i'm not discrediting the pastor BTW. i have simply stated that faith should not be placed on a pastor and his sayings, but on God and His Word. i have referred to the pastor as 'mushroom', not to discredit him but in contrast to an ESTABLISHED nationally acclaimed prophet like Elijah or Elisha or Jesus that was illegally brought up. i have NEVER claimed that he is not a man of God. i hardly care if he is or not. What i have clearly and consistently said is that nobody should have faith in men's sayings and blame God. Having faith in men's sayings is simply a GAMBLE.
Paul asked christians to follow him as he followed Christ. Not daftly like zombies. He said that even if him or an angel were to bring another gospel i.e something different from the ways and teachings of Christ, we should not follow such. Another place says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. The meaning and context of the verse may be lost on you and on many, but it is actually referring to HOW you FOLLOW men of God. You are to follow them KNOWING that Jesus is unchanging. If the person is bringing up something not Jesusic or Christlike as it were, you are free not to follow. This zombiehood that you (with your self acclaimed enlightenment) misread is what make gullible people do anything their pastor/prophet says, like sleep with them, eat grass, stepping on them, flogging them etc. It is not biblical. Jesus and no bible character ever asked anyone to throw away anything to show faith. There are litererally hundreds of miracles in the Bible. No such faith was required for the miracles to be done.

U sound confused, u're not making any use sense. Throwing away her inhaler was an act of faith, yet u blame her 4 exercising faith in d bible.
What if she was actually healed? U wld be d 1st to point @,her act of faith

hopefulLandlord:
PastorAIO just dey finish this guy anyhow

abeg take am easy on am o

I tell u, but I feel 4 him, I no hw difficult it is defending d indefensible, I've bin there

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RexKexMilann:
Sir, I don't wish to argue with this (your write up), nor do I wish to prove anything to you. I believe in God (And Jesus) because I Know Him, not only because I have the Bible.


Go through your write up again Sir BECAUSE with just one word, you've totally proven that you really don't know what you're doing BUT just like folks that mislead other gullible people, you were misled too.


One Love sir .

Sound unbelievable n even foolish rite? And u cantnn dat

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RexKexMilann:
Sir, I don't wish to argue with this (your write up), nor do I wish to prove anything to you. I believe in God (And Jesus) because I Know Him, not only because I have the Bible.


Go through your write up again Sir BECAUSE with just one word, you've totally proven that you really don't know what you're doing BUT just like folks that mislead other gullible people, you were misled too.


One Love sir .

Sound unbelievable n even foolish rite? And u cant b dat foolish to believe jesus word to go near, talk more of touching a poisonous serpent right?
Will give d link soon, Google is ur Friend tho

CHARLOE:

U sound confused, u're not making any use sense. Throwing away her inhaler was an act of faith, yet u blame her 4 exercising faith in d bible.
What if she was actually healed? U wld be d 1st to point @,her act of faith

Actually you re the one confused, m,aybe the post was too long. Throwing away her inhaler was NOT an act of faith, there is no such precedence or similarity in the Bible. And that is why i called it a GAMBLE. Or you do not know what a gamble is? She believed her pastor's BASELESS instructions, not God. You cannot put the liability on God. Even small companies and people's don't take such kind of liabilit. In other words, she's ON HER OWN. NO BIBLICAL backup of any kind or semblance. People did not have to throw things away to show faith for healing in the Bible.

PastorAIO:
Kai! See lies upon lies!!




Where did I say that the inhaler (in toto) was not relevant? Maybe you're not a liar maybe you just didn't read what I said properly so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and repeat what I said again -

YOUR claim that you can have faith without throwing away an inhaler is NOT a relevant point.
What is relevant is YOUR claim that throwing away her inhaler is a sure sign that she didn't have faith in God.





See yourself, monkey!! You actually say things like that as a serious point of your argument. As if the writer of the bible could even imagine that such a thing as inhaler could exist. If they see inhaler they will call it magic.



Really? Hmmmm... What is this?






So all the above and more is not an attempt to discredit the pastor? Lying hypocrite!!

And if he is not a 'nationally established pastor' nko, does that not discredit him?

Even the idea of a nationally established pastor is so utterly stupid.



Ezekiel 13: 2“Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel, who are prophesying, and say to those who prophesy from their own hearts: ‘Hear the word of the Lord!’



That you obviously don't care is the most glaring thing in all you've said. You don't care for the truth of any matter.



So if you follow Christ daftly like a zombie then you are damned, abi?



So now if a miracle is not in the bible then that miracle cannot occur.

Evidently you are confused again as is the norm. It's either there are lies upon lies (that you can list as evidence) or i'm not a liar. You cannot sensibly hold the two positions and post.
That you can have faith without throwing away an inhaler is the most relevant point of the whole discussion. Faith IN God has nothing to do with throwing away inhalers. Obedience to a baseless instruction from a pastor cannot be said to be the same thing as faith In God. Pastors ask people to do a 1001 things, like shout hallelujah, or shake three people, or marry my son, or even sleep with me, or drink petrol. These are not evidence of faith in God. It's either your mind is made up and you need no discussion(which is what the platform/forum is for), or you are just mischievously hopeless.
And you do not need to be insultive or abusive calling others animals simply because you are an unbeliever. There is room for civility and obeying forum rules, you do not need to be a child of God to engage reasonably. i've mentioned several times throwing away things. There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep THINGS as a sign of faith, is there? Stay in context, you are not a teenager.
i explained the context of discredit. i'm not saying his person is false or real, i'm simply saying that what he did was wrong and unscriptural. In contrast to an ESTABLISHED nationally acclaimed prophet like Elijah or Elisha or Jesus that was illegally brought up. He does not have to be a national or international established pastor to be legit. If you do not have a porous brain, you would recall that the context in which i spoke of established persons was in the Elijah, Elisha, Jesus context. That is that people knew them, they had a track record that God spoke to them, the whole of Israel knew, even the blind and deaf, i mentioned that. So you do not compare their INSTRUCTIONS to some unknown, baseless, unverifiable person saying God said, and then you jump. And i added that these established people NEVER told people to throw anything away as an act of faith to receive healing. If you decide to pick and choose from that explanation, it's your loss not mine. You're the one looking for explanation of faith, not me.
About following Christ daftly like a zombie, again it shows up your poor comprehension and eagerness to reply. Are you getting too old or something like those 90year olds that begin to behave like kids? Paul asked christians to follow him(and any man of God for that matter)as he(Paul or any MOG) followed Christ. Not daftly like zombies. Selah on that until you see light. i mentioned being personally cured of hyperopia so i wonder why you asked such a foolish question to end the post.

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Evidently you are confused again as is the norm. It's either there are lies upon lies (that you can list as evidence) or i'm not a liar. You cannot sensibly hold the two positions and post.
That you can have faith without throwing away an inhaler is the most relevant point of the whole discussion. Faith IN God has nothing to do with throwing away inhalers. Obedience to a baseless instruction from a pastor cannot be said to be the same thing as faith In God. Pastors ask people to do a 1001 things, like shout hallelujah, or shake three people, or marry my son, or even sleep with me, or drink petrol. These are not evidence of faith in God. It's either your mind is made up and you need no discussion(which is what the platform/forum is for), or you are just mischievously hopeless.
And you do not need to be insultive or abusive calling others animals simply because you are an unbeliever. There is room for civility and obeying forum rules, you do not need to be a child of God to engage reasonably. i've mentioned several times throwing away things. There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep THINGS as a sign of faith, is there? Stay in context, you are not a teenager.
i explained the context of discredit. i'm not saying his person is false or real, i'm simply saying that what he did was wrong and unscriptural. In contrast to an ESTABLISHED nationally acclaimed prophet like Elijah or Elisha or Jesus that was illegally brought up. He does not have to be a national or international established pastor to be legit. If you do not have a porous brain, you would recall that the context in which i spoke of established persons was in the Elijah, Elisha, Jesus context. That is that people knew them, they had a track record that God spoke to them, the whole of Israel knew, even the blind and deaf, i mentioned that. So you do not compare their INSTRUCTIONS to some unknown, baseless, unverifiable person saying God said, and then you jump. And i added that these established people NEVER told people to throw anything away as an act of faith to receive healing. If you decide to pick and choose from that explanation, it's your loss not mine. You're the one looking for explanation of faith, not me.
About following Christ daftly like a zombie, again it shows up your poor comprehension and eagerness to reply. Are you getting too old or something like those 90year olds that begin to behave like kids? Paul asked christians to follow him(and any man of God for that matter)as he(Paul or any MOG) followed Christ. Not daftly like zombies. Selah on that until you see light. i mentioned being personally cured of hyperopia so i wonder why you asked such a foolish question to end the post.[/rer
All dis long story on top meaning of faith! Stop d rambling, calm down n reread ur epistle with ur bible. A barren woman gave Elijah her last meal in faith, she's foolish abi? Even Jesus said if I have faith as small as a mustard seed, u shall say to dis mountain be removed.
I no ur type, if didn't n throw d inhaler away you will still blame her for lack of faith, smh

CHARLOE:
. All dis long story on top meaning of faith! Stop d rambling, calm down n reread ur epistle with ur bible. A barren woman gave Elijah her last meal in faith, she's foolish abi? Even Jesus said if I have faith as small as a mustard seed, u shall say to dis mountain be removed.
I no ur type, if didn't n throw d inhaler away you will still blame her for lack of faith, smh

i noticed that you struggle to cope with 'long' posts and i replied you appropriately, but you decided to ignore that and pokenose instead. Your lazy self should have read that i earlier addressed what you are asking. No barren woman was recorded to do anything with Elijah. That is how you make clumsy mistakes and blame God for your crass irresponsibility. The widow of Zarephath SHARED her food with Elijah. She didn't throw away her food,and it wasn't some unknown unverified priest that spoke. It was indeed the Word of God.

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i noticed that you struggle to cope with 'long' posts and i replied you appropriately, but you decided to ignore that and pokenose instead. Your lazy self should have read that i earlier addressed what you are asking. No barren woman was recorded to do anything with Elijah. That is how you make clumsy mistakes and blame God for your crass irresponsibility. The widow of Zarephath SHARED her food with Elijah. She didn't throw away her food,and it wasn't some unknown unverified priest that spoke. It was indeed the Word of God.

How do you know the word of God? Is it not human beings that told you that something was the Word of God?

Image123:


Evidently you are confused again as is the norm. It's either there are lies upon lies (that you can list as evidence) or i'm not a liar.

There are lies upon lies and You are a liar.

I pointed it out to you, but I'm willing to do so again.

1) You accused me of saying that the inhaler was a sign of faith when I said no such thing. You purposely chose to misunderstand what i said.

I had questioned your claim that throwing away her inhaler was a sure sign that she didn't have faith in God. You are just twisting and writhing like a cornered serpent that has a torchlight shining on it.

2) You say you are not discrediting the pastor when there are clear posts that you are. Then you try to writhe your way out of it but redefining the meaning of discredit and claiming that calling him a mushroom pastor is not discrediting him. You're pathetic.

3) You then try to slip in some nonsense about a pastor/prophet being 'nationally acclaimed' before they can be valid. Yet we know in the bible that many prophets like Jeremiah were not nationally acclaimed but were in fact victimized by the authorities. And there are passages in the bible attacking the 'nationally established' prophets. You are even prepared to lie on the bible's head if that will suit your agenda.

PastorAIO:


There are lies upon lies and You are a liar.

I pointed it out to you, but I'm willing to do so again.

1) You accused me of saying that the inhaler was a sign of faith when I said no such thing. You purposely chose to misunderstand what i said.

I had questioned your claim that throwing away her inhaler was a sure sign that she didn't have faith in God. You are just twisting and writhing like a cornered serpent that has a torchlight shining on it.

2) You say you are not discrediting the pastor when there are clear posts that you are. Then you try to writhe your way out of it but redefining the meaning of discredit and claiming that calling him a mushroom pastor is not discrediting him. You're pathetic.

3) You then try to slip in some nonsense about a pastor/prophet being 'nationally acclaimed' before they can be valid. Yet we know in the bible that many prophets like Jeremiah were not nationally acclaimed but were in fact victimized by the authorities. And there are passages in the bible attacking the 'nationally established' prophets. You are even prepared to lie on the bible's head if that will suit your agenda.

U get time dey argue with dat image, he is deaf n blind to reason, he's programmed to defend absurdities in d bible no matter how absurd

PastorAIO:


There are lies upon lies and You are a liar.

I pointed it out to you, but I'm willing to do so again.

1) You accused me of saying that the inhaler was a sign of faith when I said no such thing. You purposely chose to misunderstand what i said.

I had questioned your claim that throwing away her inhaler was a sure sign that she didn't have faith in God. You are just twisting and writhing like a cornered serpent that has a torchlight shining on it.

2) You say you are not discrediting the pastor when there are clear posts that you are. Then you try to writhe your way out of it but redefining the meaning of discredit and claiming that calling him a mushroom pastor is not discrediting him. You're pathetic.

3) You then try to slip in some nonsense about a pastor/prophet being 'nationally acclaimed' before they can be valid. Yet we know in the bible that many prophets like Jeremiah were not nationally acclaimed but were in fact victimized by the authorities. And there are passages in the bible attacking the 'nationally established' prophets. You are even prepared to lie on the bible's head if that will suit your agenda.

Christians are meant to be fvck in the ass. I mean really screw them. Don't pity them. Take advantage of their gullibility without mercy. That is the way to go.
Happy for the pastors fleecing the likes of imag123. God continue to bless them jare

PastorAIO:


How do you know the word of God? Is it not human beings that told you that something was the Word of God?

Duh, the Word of God said so.

PastorAIO:


There are lies upon lies and You are a liar.

I pointed it out to you, but I'm willing to do so again.

1) You accused me of saying that the inhaler was a sign of faith when I said no such thing. You purposely chose to misunderstand what i said.

I had questioned your claim that throwing away her inhaler was a sure sign that she didn't have faith in God. You are just twisting and writhing like a cornered serpent that has a torchlight shining on it.

2) You say you are not discrediting the pastor when there are clear posts that you are. Then you try to writhe your way out of it but redefining the meaning of discredit and claiming that calling him a mushroom pastor is not discrediting him. You're pathetic.

3) You then try to slip in some nonsense about a pastor/prophet being 'nationally acclaimed' before they can be valid. Yet we know in the bible that many prophets like Jeremiah were not nationally acclaimed but were in fact victimized by the authorities. And there are passages in the bible attacking the 'nationally established' prophets. You are even prepared to lie on the bible's head if that will suit your agenda.

Okay, you decided to hold the 'i am a liar' position, unlike your previous state of confusion. You failed to point out the lies upon lies though, talk is cheap. i can also claim that you raped somebody or that you robbed me. It's reasonable to ask for the proof, is it not? 3 alleged lies are not lies upon lies. Now, let's examine them.
You said "It was HER faith that made her believe that it was okay to throw away her inhaler." i earlier said that "nobody should tell you to throw away your inhaler, that is not faith." To which you or maybe the evil spirit that possessed you said "What is faith according to your definition? You seem to think that throwing inhaler away is a form of gambling." It is only logical to take it that you take a throwing away of inhaler as faith. If you do not think so, then stop speaking from all sides of the mouth, be direct enough. Or what then are we arguing about, lol. You claimed that "she had faith in no one else but God." Pray tell, how do you arrive at that conclusion?
i said and i say again that throwing away her inhaler is not faith. Faith is IN God, and God never told her to throw away her inhaler. She simply obeyed her pastor. Obedience to pastor is not the same as faith in God. And i mentioned that pastors do tell people to do a lot of things like stand up, shout hallelujah, open your bible, even sleep with me. These may be obeyed but it is not the same as faith in God. How siomple can this get?
Secondly, i do not discredit the pastor and i clearly explained the sense. Do you fail to read where i said "i'm not saying his person is false or real, i'm simply saying that what he did was wrong and unscriptural. In contrast to an ESTABLISHED nationally acclaimed prophet like Elijah or Elisha" Calling him "mushroom" is not discredit, it is simply who he is. He's unpopular or unverified or just coming up, or young or growing. Isn't that what mushroom is, or you do not understand simple english again? i mentioned this clearly to say that the Elishas and Elijahs and Jesus mentioned(or to be mentioned) were well known and had track record success of hearing from God. They didn't use the term loosely like many today so in other words, obeying them wasn't really a gamble. That was by the way anyway, the main point remains that EVEN they NEVER told anyone to throw things away as a mark of faith for healing. This is what i have consistently stated. you are free to PROVE otherwise or keep quiet. i NEVER said anything about a pastor/prophet being 'nationally acclaimed' before they can be valid. Stop lying if you can(that's like a hard command for a sinner anyway). i said everyone knew Elisha, Elijah and Jesus. They were people that even the blind and deaf knew that they heard from God. If folks are going to take any gamble, take in such kind of people. And make sure it is rhema, i mentioned Peter not going to walk on water to explain this even. Don't go risking your life because any dic and harry preacher said so. Check, does God say so? If you fail to understand that, it is your worries, not mine at all.

HardMirror:

Christians are meant to be fvck in the ass. I mean really screw them. Don't pity them. Take advantage of their gullibility without mercy. That is the way to go.
Happy for the pastors fleecing the likes of imag123. God continue to bless them jare

You do not have to be so provocative in the religion section simply because you are a sinner. You are disobeying forum rules e.g rule 4. If you cannot talk normal, stay in the sexuality or romance section. And stop being afraid of mentioning me, i am not even Jesus.

CHARLOE:

U get time dey argue with dat image, he is deaf n blind to reason, he's programmed to defend absurdities in d bible no matter how absurd

You that have no time should keep quiet seeing you have nothing reasonable to say or add. You will not be the only one that read and did not comment. Or are you afraid for him?