Hope this long epistle will answer ur question....please. Read it with open mind

junaidinho:

where did the bad ones come from?
if you say satan then why did your god allow it

he allowed it cause it is the consequences of what humans chose....we chose an imperfect state and until God's kingdom come and bring an end to this wicked system of things it will keep becoming worse. Satan challenged God's sovereignty in the garden of eden when he misled Adam and eve.Adam and Eve rebelled against Jehovah. In effect, they
said: ‘We do not need Jehovah as our Ruler. We can decide
for ourselves what is right and what is wrong.’ How could
Jehovah settle that issue? How could he teach all intelligent
creatures that the rebels were wrong and that his way truly
is best? Someone might say that God should simply have
destroyed the rebels and made a fresh start. But Jehovah
had stated his purpose to fill the earth with the offspring of
Adam and Eve, and he wanted them to live in an earthly
paradise. (Genesis 1:28 ) Jehovah always fulfills his
purposes. (Isaiah 55:10, 11 ) Besides that, getting rid of the
rebels in Eden would not have answered the question that
had been raised regarding Jehovah’s right to rule.consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is
telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A
clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way
of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is
not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better
way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is
right, and they also become rebellious. What should the
teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what
will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe
that their fellow student and those who joined him are right?
All the other students in the class might lose respect for the
teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong.
But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the
class how he would solve the problem.Jehovah has done something similar to what the teacher
does. Remember that the rebels in Eden were not the only
ones involved. Millions of angels were watching. (Job 38:7;
Daniel 7:10 ) How Jehovah handled the rebellion would
greatly affect all those angels and eventually all intelligent
creation. So, what has Jehovah done? He has allowed
Satan to show how he would rule mankind. God has also
allowed humans to govern themselves under Satan’s
guidance.The teacher in our illustration knows that the rebel and
the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that
allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will
benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest
students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to
lead the class. They will understand why the teacher
thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly,
Jehovah knows that all honesthearted humans and angels
will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels
have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves.
Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well
know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It
does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his
step.”— Jeremiah 10:23 .Why, though, has Jehovah allowed suffering to go on for
so long? And why does he not prevent bad things from
happening? Well, consider two things that the teacher in our
illustration would not do. First, he would not stop the rebel
student from presenting his case. Second, the teacher
would not help the rebel to make his case. Similarly,
consider two things that Jehovah has determined not to do.
First, he has not stopped Satan and those who side with him
from trying to prove that they are right. Allowing time to
pass has thus been necessary. In the thousands of years of
human history, mankind has been able to try every form of
self-rule, or human government. Mankind has made some
advances in science and other fields, but injustice, poverty,
crime, and war have grown ever worse. Human rule has
now been shown to be a failure.
Second, Jehovah has not helped Satan to rule this world.
If God were to prevent horrible crimes, for instance, would
he not, in effect, be supporting the case of the rebels? Would
God not be making people think that perhaps humans can
govern themselves without disastrous results? If Jehovah
were to act in that way, he would become party to a lie.
However, “it is impossible for God to lie.”— Hebrews 6:18



Hope this long epistle will answer ur question

KingOfAmebo:


After reading your post I came to conclusion that you and many other souls like you feel so intelligent that you forget you were created. Salvation is personal. Did you notice all you typed up there were stuffs you read from someone too...so if that's the case how are you sure you are not rewriting same trash like the original author? Seek God earnestly with your heart and he will reveal himself to you...don't really on your wisdom, knowledge or understanding.

But hahn is not intelligent, i know him well on the forum. He could not even see that his points shoot down the atheism religion and their devil god. He relies on article like you noticed, has no wisdom, knowledge or understanding of his own except what his cliq and mentors say.

1KINGKYLE:

In my first reply,I was asking about the fate of people in other religion not Christianity. What will be their fate,since they are into other religion which Christ didn't approve of?will they be doomed to eternal damnation or is there a special equation God will use to judge the whole world,even an atheist?

Christ did not approve of any religion. Christ is the truth, the way and the life. Those who follow Him are called by his name.
Religion is good but not substantial. The whole human race is doomed. However, whosoever shall call upon that Name Jesus, for there is no other name given in heaven or on earth by which men must be saved.
Whatever you believe, you owe it to yourself to examine these realities and then choose for yourself. It does not matter if you dont like it.

atoleybaba:
Hope this long epistle will answer ur question....please. Read it with open mindhe allowed it cause it is the consequences of what humans chose....we chose an imperfect state and until God's kingdom come and bring an end to this wicked system of things it will keep becoming worse. Satan challenged God's sovereignty in the garden of eden when he misled Adam and eve.Adam and Eve rebelled against Jehovah. In effect, they
said: ‘We do not need Jehovah as our Ruler. We can decide
for ourselves what is right and what is wrong.’ How could
Jehovah settle that issue? How could he teach all intelligent
creatures that the rebels were wrong and that his way truly
is best? Someone might say that God should simply have
destroyed the rebels and made a fresh start. But Jehovah
had stated his purpose to fill the earth with the offspring of
Adam and Eve, and he wanted them to live in an earthly
paradise. (Genesis 1:28 ) Jehovah always fulfills his
purposes. (Isaiah 55:10, 11 ) Besides that, getting rid of the
rebels in Eden would not have answered the question that
had been raised regarding Jehovah’s right to rule.consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is
telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A
clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way
of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is
not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better
way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is
right, and they also become rebellious. What should the
teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what
will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe
that their fellow student and those who joined him are right?
All the other students in the class might lose respect for the
teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong.
But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the
class how he would solve the problem.Jehovah has done something similar to what the teacher
does. Remember that the rebels in Eden were not the only
ones involved. Millions of angels were watching. (Job 38:7;
Daniel 7:10 ) How Jehovah handled the rebellion would
greatly affect all those angels and eventually all intelligent
creation. So, what has Jehovah done? He has allowed
Satan to show how he would rule mankind. God has also
allowed humans to govern themselves under Satan’s
guidance.The teacher in our illustration knows that the rebel and
the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that
allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will
benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest
students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to
lead the class. They will understand why the teacher
thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly,
Jehovah knows that all honesthearted humans and angels
will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels
have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves.
Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well
know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It
does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his
step.”— Jeremiah 10:23 .Why, though, has Jehovah allowed suffering to go on for
so long? And why does he not prevent bad things from
happening? Well, consider two things that the teacher in our
illustration would not do. First, he would not stop the rebel
student from presenting his case. Second, the teacher
would not help the rebel to make his case. Similarly,
consider two things that Jehovah has determined not to do.
First, he has not stopped Satan and those who side with him
from trying to prove that they are right. Allowing time to
pass has thus been necessary. In the thousands of years of
human history, mankind has been able to try every form of
self-rule, or human government. Mankind has made some
advances in science and other fields, but injustice, poverty,
crime, and war have grown ever worse. Human rule has
now been shown to be a failure.
Second, Jehovah has not helped Satan to rule this world.
If God were to prevent horrible crimes, for instance, would
he not, in effect, be supporting the case of the rebels? Would
God not be making people think that perhaps humans can
govern themselves without disastrous results? If Jehovah
were to act in that way, he would become party to a lie.
However, “it is impossible for God to lie.”— Hebrews 6:18



Hope this long epistle will answer ur question

First you said satan challenged god I will say god gambled with Satan and lost the bet which means he's not omniscience then secondly you tried comparing a teacher to your god the teacher did not claim to be omniscience but your god did. Your god gambled with satan and he lost

junaidinho:
did he put a gun on your head?

did I mention you? now, beat it

Mujtahida:


Call upon me in the day of trouble and I will show you great and wonderful things you do not know. Who said that? Your God. Did the above text say he will answer you any time he feels like because he is God? Who said What is the experience of millions of Christians who have sought for God's help in their time of trouble? Nothing great or wonderful. Only heartbreaking silence! God is our refuge and strength ; an EVER PRESENT HELP in trouble. Who said that? Your God. But the reality for many christians is different. they don't get healed, they don't get that job, they don't make that money, they don't secure that ever present help as needed, they don't get delivered from the ills that bedevil the human race.(he is warming up to say they didn't have faith, they are in sin, bla bla bla) Your God purports to act by higher standards but just apply the low bar of common human sense and reason and you'd see he won't even be able to make the jump. Apply to God the standards you apply to men you'd see the grand failure that is the Bible God.

The difference between man and God is, man will choose to do but will never make it right or might not even do it at all. God will do it when you expect it, and he will always be there. The only grand failure I see in the Bible is that it is the most perfect book that explains the present world, our past, and our future world. In my perspective, the Bible is a complete book. No atom of mistake in there. I have no understanding as to what I should be saying as regards your thinking. But we as humans we will always think otherwise. You have your beliefs which are not proven, I also have mine that are not proven. But I ask a simple question, if you choose not to believe, and you die, and God exists, who looses?

khalifahsparkles:



did I mention you? now, beat it

was just joking all love

atoleybaba:
what did he come to die for? Let us start from there

Jesus "died" ahead of us not instead of us, that was the only available way to leave this world.
He showed His disciples how live in this world, they should lose their lives as He lost His life in this world.
He went through the cross, He also asked His disciples to carry their crosses and follow Him, following in His footstep.

KingOfAmebo:


After reading your post I came to conclusion that you and many other souls like you feel so intelligent that you forget you were created. Salvation is personal. Did you notice all you typed up there were stuffs you read from someone too...so if that's the case how are you sure you are not rewriting same trash like the original author? Seek God earnestly with your heart and he will reveal himself to you...don't really on your wisdom, knowledge or understanding.

Honestly it baffles me how someone will begin to feel intelligent and superior just because he doesnt believe in God. Such level of stupidity. Even the miserable ones among them will still come here and be posing superior whereas outside nairaland they cant even near you. Crass foolishness.

xnsandrxns:


And men came together and said "let us create god in our image, after our likeness"

Men have failed to represent God that was why God sent His son.
If men represented God, why would Jesus made this testament then,
But Jesus said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in men's eyes, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly prized among men is utterly detestable in God's sight.
Luke 16:15
The religion that is highly prized among men is utterly detestable in God's sight.

SultanOfBrunei:


Sir, out of curiosity could you pls tell me the surname of Paul? I mean Paul ....who?

The self acclaimed Apostle Paul of Tarsus

ikombe:
Keep on decieving your self

Who is being deceived, christians are the deceived deceived by the deceiver, Apostle Paul

jelal007:
I have never a comment on NL as self-contradicting as this before. SMH

How? Pls can you expatiate?

Zenlife:



And Jesus story is independent of religion?

Jesus and religion are diametrically opposed

plaetton:

But why Jesus?

Why not Mohammed, Buddha, Osiris, Sango, Amadioha, Zoroaster, etc ?
What is unique about Jesus?
What proof do you have of he ever existing in the first place?

what proof do u ve that Michael Faraday ever existed?

rexben:
The self acclaimed Apostle Paul of Tarsus

yeah! the guy who supposedly wrote letters from prison to the people of Galatians, Thessalonian, etc,

it's when the disciples start killing in the names their god, and he can't kill for itself, that's when u know that religion is fake.

rexben:
Jesus and religion are diametrically opposed

And your knowledge of Jesus is a personal one via direct association independent of Christian religion?

Any knowledge of the origin of Christianity?

Reinvented:

Yes. Jesus came to abolish religion. More reason they crucified him. Christianity is not a religion. The term Christians did not originate from Jesus neither from the Bible, rather people who sought to identify the followers of Christ named them Christians (Acts 11:26).

Religion is burdensome with blind following. For example, you must perform some ritualist activities or obligation daily. Weekly, monthly,etc. Observe moon, sun, stars, etc. Wear certain dresses that arguably were worn by the initiators of the religion. Sometimes these dress were worn because of their weather conditions. Just imagine how foolish it would be for an Eskimo to wear a flowing gown.

Religion encourages you to defend your God or fight for him, kill for him, etc which is at variance with his avowed power to protect you.

Dude, Christianity worldwide is a term used for Jesus followers which for eons have translated to a religion.
All the books, all the dictionaries, encyclopedias define it as a religion.
Do show where of good universal repute where it says otherwise besides the garbage your new age pastors feed you in their books and in the religious house of sin 'the church'.
It may or may not be Jesus intent.
But it is what it is. Christianity is a religion.
Whether you accept or deny it is irrelevant.


"Christianity[note 1] is an Abrahamic monotheistic[1] religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. It is the world's largest religion,[2][3] with over 2.4 billion followers,[4][5][6][note 2] or 32% of the global population, known as Christians.[note 3] Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the savior of humanity whose coming as the Messiah (the Christ) was prophesied in the Old Testament.[7]

Christian theology is summarized in various creeds. These professions of faith state that Jesus suffered, died, was buried, descended into hell, and rose from the dead, in order to grant eternal life to those who believe in him and trust in him for the remission of their sins. The creeds further maintain that Jesus bodily ascended into heaven, where he reigns with God the Father in the unity of the Holy Spirit, and that he will return to judge the living and the dead and grant eternal life to his followers. His incarnation, earthly ministry, crucifixion, and resurrection are often referred to as "the gospel", meaning "good news".[note 4] The term gospel also refers to written accounts of Jesus's life and teaching, four of which—Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John—are considered canonical and included in the Christian Bible.

Christianity began as a Second Temple Judaic sect in the mid-1st century.[8][9] Originating in Judea, it quickly spread to Europe, Syria, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, Egypt, Ethiopia, and India, and by the end of the 4th century had become the official state church of the Roman Empire.[10][11][12] Following the Age of Discovery, Christianity spread to the Americas, Australasia, sub-Saharan Africa, and the rest of the world through missionary work and colonization.[13][14][15] Christianity has played a prominent role in the shaping of Western civilization.[16][17][18][19][20]

Throughout its history, Christianity has weathered schisms and theological disputes that have resulted in many distinct churches and denominations. Worldwide, the three largest branches of Christianity are the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the various denominations of Protestantism. The Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches broke communion with each other in the East-West Schism of 1054; Protestantism came into existence in the Reformation of the 16th century, splitting from the Catholic Church.[21]"


Source: Wikipedia (the online dictionary)

biilwwu:
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION, IT IS A LIFE STYLE. RELIGION CAN NOT SAVE YOU..

Self delusion.
Christianity is a religion whether you like it or not.
Denying it as one is despicable.


"Christianity[note 1] is an Abrahamic monotheistic[1] religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. It is the world's largest religion,[2][3] with over 2.4 billion followers,[4][5][6][note 2] or 32% of the global population, known as Christians.[note 3] Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the savior of humanity whose coming as the Messiah (the Christ) was prophesied in the Old Testament.[7]

Christian theology is summarized in various creeds. These professions of faith state that Jesus suffered, died, was buried, descended into hell, and rose from the dead, in order to grant eternal life to those who believe in him and trust in him for the remission of their sins. The creeds further maintain that Jesus bodily ascended into heaven, where he reigns with God the Father in the unity of the Holy Spirit, and that he will return to judge the living and the dead and grant eternal life to his followers. His incarnation, earthly ministry, crucifixion, and resurrection are often referred to as "the gospel", meaning "good news".[note 4] The term gospel also refers to written accounts of Jesus's life and teaching, four of which—Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John—are considered canonical and included in the Christian Bible.

Christianity began as a Second Temple Judaic sect in the mid-1st century.[8][9] Originating in Judea, it quickly spread to Europe, Syria, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, Egypt, Ethiopia, and India, and by the end of the 4th century had become the official state church of the Roman Empire.[10][11][12] Following the Age of Discovery, Christianity spread to the Americas, Australasia, sub-Saharan Africa, and the rest of the world through missionary work and colonization.[13][14][15] Christianity has played a prominent role in the shaping of Western civilization.[16][17][18][19][20]

Throughout its history, Christianity has weathered schisms and theological disputes that have resulted in many distinct churches and denominations. Worldwide, the three largest branches of Christianity are the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the various denominations of Protestantism. The Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches broke communion with each other in the East-West Schism of 1054; Protestantism came into existence in the Reformation of the 16th century, splitting from the Catholic Church.[21]"


Source: Wikipedia the online dictionary.

rexben:
Men have failed to represent God that was why God sent His son.
If men represented God, why would Jesus made this testament then,
But Jesus said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in men's eyes, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly prized among men is utterly detestable in God's sight.
Luke 16:15
The religion that is highly prized among men is utterly detestable in God's sight.

I wouldn't base my argument on what jesus said or didn't say
I really do not recognise his authority
God's son indeed
Why are you people so afraid of being free?
What has religion done for you?
You people go around talking about your madeup god without even thinking for yourself
Freedom won't kill you my friend
Give it a try

rexben:
Jesus "died" ahead of us not instead of us, that was the only available way to leave this world.
He showed His disciples how live in this world, they should lose their lives as He lost His life in this world.
He went through the cross, He also asked His disciples to carry their crosses and follow Him, following in His footstep.

you must have read john 3:16 and 17:3 and it is very easy to comprehend. Also 1john 4:9,10(go and read it) also explain further that God sent Jesus to die for us.Since one man, the perfect man Adam, brought sin and
death on us through disobedience, a perfect man obedient
even till death was needed to release us from that burden.
The Bible explains it this way: “Just as through the
disobedience of the one man many were made sinners, so
also through the obedience of the one person many will be
made righteous.” (Romans 5:19 ) Jesus was that “one
person.” He left heaven, became a perfect man * , and died in
our behalf. As a result, it is possible for us to have a
righteous standing with God and gain the prospect of
endless life.

dadaic:



The difference between man and God is, man will choose to do but will never make it right or might not even do it at all. God will do it when you expect it, and he will always be there. The only grand failure I see in the Bible is that it is the most perfect book that explains the present world, our past, and our future world. In my perspective, the Bible is a complete book. No atom of mistake in there. I have no understanding as to what I should be saying as regards your thinking. But we as humans we will always think otherwise. You have your beliefs which are not proven, I also have mine that are not proven. But I ask a simple question, if you choose not to believe, and you die, and God exists, who looses?

I am not an atheist. I am a theist. I believe God exists. But I don't believe that the Bible God is the true God. I was a Christian. I abandoned it. I feel freer as a person now.

xnsandrxns:


I wouldn't base my argument on what jesus said or didn't say
I really do not recognise his authority
God's son indeed
Why are you people so afraid of being free?
What has religion done for you?
You people go around talking about your madeup god without even thinking for yourself
Freedom won't kill you my friend
Give it a try

Crap. Your foolish mind tells you that you have more freedom than us. You people sound so stupid. Pls give me one tangible thing you have achieved in life with your so called freedom as an atheist.

winner01:
You know the truth in your heart. You've been priviledged to be exposed to the truth despite the odds.

And ive heard your desperation for it to be untrue.

are u sure u are alright?

atoleybaba:
you must have read john 3:16 and 17:3 and it is very easy to comprehend. Also 1john 4:9,10(go and read it) also explain further that God sent Jesus to die for us.Since one man, the perfect man Adam, brought sin and
death on us through disobedience, a perfect man obedient
even till death was needed to release us from that burden.
The Bible explains it this way: “Just as through the
disobedience of the one man many were made sinners, so
also through the obedience of the one person many will be
made righteous.” (Romans 5:19 ) Jesus was that “one
person.” He left heaven, became a perfect man * , and died in
our behalf. As a result, it is possible for us to have a
righteous standing with God and gain the prospect of
endless life.

How are u a descendant of Adam? any prove?
Leave the jews, their gods and mythology alone

.

OCtheKing:
what proof do u ve that Michael Faraday ever existed?

oga your point strengthens the argument that Jesus never existed ....

oluamid:



Just to point one thing out. The Bible you believe so much in that tells you about god was written by someone too.

Keep looking for fault and you won't be disappointed but it would be more productive if you look for truth rather that waste your time and energy in looking for faults. Did you read the part I said "Salvation is personal" and "If you seek God earnestly he will reveal himself to you"?

Point of correction, I don't believe in the Bible but rather i believe in our Lord Jesus Christ who came to save the world, died on the cross for our sins, resurrected the third day and is now sitting on the right hand of the throne with God Almighty. To say one believed in the Bible is like saying one is worshipping the Bible...the Bible is just a guide written by people who are filled with the Holy Spirit to relay God's message...mind you you cannot read the Bible like you read a novel to fully understand every message in it, you need to pray before reading and God will reveal passages to you and you will feel like God is speaking to you directly. So, my friend...don't compare the Bible with other books, history alone should be enough to tell you the difference.

The biggest problem and challenge an Atheist has is that he thinks he knows God well enough to condemn him but in reality he continues to display his ignorance of the knowledge of God.

A common trait of all Atheists is that they speak with bitterness and anger, they feel abandoned and as such direct their anger to God and denying his existence to satisfy their assumption. This action further makes them rebellious to God but God in his infinite mercy is always there to accept and forgive them only if they go down on their knees and pray for forgiveness and seek that God reveal himself to them...once this is done there will be an instant peace of mind an undescribable experience. You will experience God's touch for the first time in your life and never again have any doubts of his existence.

Mujtahida:

I am not an atheist. I am a theist. I believe God exists. But I don't believe that the Bible God is the true God. I was a Christian. I abandoned it. I feel freer as a person now.

I thought I was free myself when I had my thoughts like you did. And just when things were going well, I thought my life was my own doing. My brother, things I would have had in my hands, I lost them all. I went to God, and he gave me something I never thought I would have. I am not going to force you to love God, or love the Bible. I never will do that, but I have not seen a complete book like the Bible, nor a complete person like God. I only ask, if you were to play God for once, what would be the first thing you would do? Or better still, if the devil were to play God for once, and God took a day to relax, what would you think would happen to the world? If you say the Bible God is not the true God, who is then?

It has been historically proven that Jesus existed. Where there is contention is if he is the Son Of God. That is where faith come in. I choose to exercise my faith and accept Jesus is Lord. We make plans for tomorrow even when we have no proof that we won't die in our sleep. That in itself is Faith.

plaetton:

But why Jesus?

Why not Mohammed, Buddha, Osiris, Sango, Amadioha, Zoroaster, etc ?
What is unique about Jesus?
What proof do you have of he ever existing in the first place?

honourhim:


Crap. Your foolish mind tells you that you have more freedom than us. You people sound so stupid. Pls give me one tangible thing you have achieved in life with your so called freedom as an atheist.

Of course
they get defensive and offensive
The first thing I gained with being unreligious is my common sense
Have a good day