Peacefullove:


you think we are fools here ... cant you see he was referring to marriage , when he said they will be like angels , he was talking about Marriage , smh do angels marry ? if you pastor a church , I cry for your church members.


Again maybe you don't understand my question , a man dies and lye impotent in the mortuary, tell me how such a man can continue to exist ?

RabbaRabbi:


go and read this places: Revelation 20:10; 21:8 psalm 9:17 matthew 25:46 and many more...

Please note: when i say the soul burns, it does not burn to ashes, but continues torment.

oga , simple question I asked , I need practical answers . you can't just tell me you can make horses fly , and when asked how ? you resort to your comfort zone .


I need to know what burns in that hell , this is how we can verify if all u have been saying is true or not or you even understand all you have been saying .


Again man, give me where the bible say the soul burns in hell ? remember you said it . I need prove from your bible


simple as ABC

shadeyinka:



The emphasis is Like the[b] Angels in Heaven [/b] of course who do not marry.


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Am not a fool man, like the Angels in terms of marriage . that's his point there . stop this abracadabra


my question still remains . man dies , and was laid in the mortuary, tell me how such a man can still continue to exist ?



OK. Let me ask you a question!
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

How is this statement true if his body was supposed to rot in the grave

Oga, did Jesus go to Paradise when he died ?

shadeyinka:


If you ask me, sincerely I wish that hell was a temporal place. Some people created the doctrine of purgatory to solve the inner wish of man
BUT
Jesus taught more about Hell than any other personality in the scripture.

I didn't create the rules: Jesus speaking about the son of perdition He said it was better if this man was never born

So, how is this man different from Adolf Hitler, Stalin OR the Armed robber who killed only 3 people?

It is better to warn people of eternity : everyone will give account of what he has done in the flesh

Peacefullove:


Oga, did Jesus go to Paradise when he died ?

shadeyinka:

You did not answer the question: is Paradise an unconscious state?

Peacefullove:


oga , simple question I asked , I need practical answers . you can't just tell me you can make horses fly , and when asked how ? you resort to your comfort zone .


I need to know what burns in that hell , this is how we can verify if all u have been saying is true or not or you even understand all you have been saying .


Again man, give me where the bible say the soul burns in hell ? remember you said it . I need prove from your bible


simple as ABC

RabbaRabbi:


you're welcome dear... How was your day?

Jesuobu:
perfect bro. God's grace follow me everywhere I go and today was not an exception.

RabbaRabbi:


you said your mind, not the scriptures. You just sound like one of those JW's

And let me tell you. There is nothing like annihilation, never.

People who go to hell, remains for ever.

Revelation: 20:10. And the devil who has deceived them was thrown into the lake which burns with fire where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So dude, Dont say God is love only. have u forgotten he is a consuming fire too?

RabbaRabbi:


before i will answer that, let me ask you this...

Are you a christian? If yes, which church do you attend.

If interested in my answers, then quote me...

Jesuobu:
you're just killing it bro with the inspiration of God. One JW Oyinbo member from Sweden came to my house and started telling me gibberish that there is no hell and even is there is, people there will be innihilated and I started bombarding him with questions from the scriptures and referred him to that exact scripture you gave and he started sweating profusly and skipped all my questions. Those people move from house to house confusing and deceiving people.

shadeyinka:


I just did something! I over-laughed at your response. A vision!

Mk9:2-


-Jesus appearance changed before the disciples
- then Elijah and Moses Appeared before them and were talking to Jesus
- Peter was terrified (why?)
- Jesus ordered them not to tell anyone what they had seen


Could these disciples all be seeing the same vision?


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No! It wasn't a vision. It was reality!
[/size] That was why fear gripped them.

I guess it goes against your theory of Annihilation!

Mt22:32
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

God is not the God of the dead!

RabbaRabbi:



those people have really deceived a good sum of people who knew nothing about the truth. They go around teaching false hood and deception, and when you throw them a weighty question, they run for life.

Back then, I had a guy who always come to preach about their heresies as usual.

That day we discussed on "Whether a human have a spirit." he kept twisting the bible to suit his claims, but guess what? I came hard on him.

After that day, he came again and I still picked up the previous topic, and he was like, mehn, just forget about that... I had won him on that.

All Jehovah Witnesses are teaming up ignorantly to bring the deception of the devil into mankind's heart. But I can't be a part of it...

Jesus is Lord

shadeyinka:


Or course, Physical Fire cannot burn spirits but then why would God recommend a virtual punishment of fire for Satan

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

It looks like this prepared Fire will burn hot!

Lesson: you don't need to be flesh and blood before the Fire of God burn you.

First, dictionary definitions:
Destroy:
[size=28] end the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it. [/size]
"the room had been destroyed by fire"
synonyms: demolish, knock down, pull down, tear down, level, raze (to the ground), fell, dismantle, break up, wreck, ruin, smash, shatter, crash, blast, blow up, blow to bits/pieces, dynamite, explode, bomb, torpedo More
ruin (someone) emotionally or spiritually.
"he has been determined to destroy her"
defeat (someone) utterly.

Annihilate:
destroy utterly; obliterate.
"a simple bomb of this type could annihilate them all"
synonyms: destroy, wipe out, obliterate, wipe off the face of the earth, wipe off the map, kill, slaughter, exterminate, eliminate, liquidate, eradicate, extinguish, finish off, erase, root out, extirpate;

Second, Hebrew definition:

מַד shâmad, shaw-mad'; a primitive root; to desolate:—destory(-uction), bring to nought, overthrow, perish, pluck down, × utterly




First, the context is not with eternity (day of judgement) in view but even if it is, the word you translated as annihilated is not the only interpretation... Other translations include desolate, destroy, overthrow, perish...

So, how is the wicked destroyed:
bring him to shame and contempt
bring to nothing his legacy
remove his power and authority

Compare with

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

In context, everlasting destruction is not the same as annihilation.

Jesuobu:
lolz can't stop laughing. They just cook falsehood with maggi for fragrance and go from house to house looking for machineries to help them spread their lies.

The last time the man came, he gave me an invitation card and showed me a video of what they do in JW hall and I told him, I can never visit any church unless am convinced the doctrine they teach is true and he was really embarrassed. He didn't stop there, he gave me that their watch tower magazine and the title was "Did Jesus really exist?" and I was like like seriously? have I ever doubted the existence of Jesus? when my life itself radiates the light of Jesus and I told him I don't need it and was convincing me that Ineed it and I collected it from him and when he was gone, I gave the magazine to children to make kite and use in the toilet

Peacefullove:
the thread title says, ask your questions:

RabbaRabbi says and I quote : " then the soul burns in hell... "

Mr don't run away, give me where your bible says the soul burns in hell ? or your statement is those usual lies presented as usual .?

RabbaRabbi:


ezekiel 18:20; the soul that sin shall die... (the second death, which is burning in hell) revelation 21:8

Psalm: 9:17, the wicked shall be turned into hell and all the nation that forget God.

Jude 1:7 Even as sodom and gomorrha and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication and strange flesh are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Psalm 21:8-9 You will throw them in a flaming furnane when you appear. The Lord will consume them in his anger. Fire will burn them.

All this scriptures are pointing to one end, which is hell...

I wouldn't mind if you bother me with some few questions again.

Shalom

the soul that sin shall DIE . not burn in hell , see your life man.



you don't need to insert the bracket , its a deceitful attempt to change the meaning of the word " DIE" all living thing die , and we know the meaning . in short , soul doesn't live on , it dies .


let me test your IQ , when you earlier tell me body dies . what's the meaning of die here , burning in hell? why then are you now changing the meaning of DIE !!!! . can't you see you are as dubious as anything . changing the meaning to suit your preconceived ideas.


You only successfully prove that the soul die just as the body die . all die!

Peacefullove:


you are asking me what you don't understand , has anyone died and was said to go to paradise before ? only then can your question make sense. for now its nonsensical.


am still examining your claim . when a man dies , lying helpless in the casket , how can you still claim such a person is still alive ?

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain [/b]for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And [b]they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

shadeyinka:



Rev6:10-14 answers your question:


If these people were killed, how come they
1. Still speak
2. Put on white robes
3. Asked to exercise patience?



They are Alive even though physically dead!

Peacefullove:


the soul that sin shall DIE . not burn in hell , see your life man.



you don't need to insert the bracket , its a deceitful attempt to change the meaning of the word " DIE" all living thing die , and we know the meaning . in short , soul doesn't live on , it dies .


let me test your IQ , when you earlier tell me body dies . what's the meaning of die here , burning in hell? why then are you now changing the meaning of DIE !!!! . can't you see you are as dubious as anything . changing the meaning to suit your preconceived ideas.


You only successfully prove that the soul die just as the body die . all die!

shadeyinka:



Death is a disconnection/separation of union!
Physical Death: disconnection/separation of body and soul
Spiritual Death: disconnection/separation of mans spirit and Gods spirit
Second Death: eternal disconnection/separation of man from God in the lake of Fire


You don't have to believe. On the day you step out of your body in death, do will know without doubt that you are a trinity of body, soul and spirit!

I sign out!

Peacefullove:


I know your religion forbid you to think properly , your conclusion itself expose you . @ bold , you can't be dead and Alive at the same time . its illogical , two complete opposite things .


let me remind you that this event is the FIFTH SEAL , and you think its real right ? hehehehe .

you are just a stinking hypocrite, do you also believe the fourth seal of death riding a horse is real too , do you believe the sixth seal of stars falling on planet earth is real too !!!

lesson: the whole six seals are not literal events .

if you insist the fifth is literal , you must accept all others as real too , which I know you r hypocrite sef is not ready to accept

Barristter07:



Matthew 25 :41 was in reference to a parable of sheep and goats ( see verse 33) , are this literal goats and sheep ?


if your answer is NO! the logical question then is , what does the everlasting fire to which the symbolic goats are thrown represents ?

Jude 7:



" just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. "



does this now mean the fire that burned that city is still burning till now since it's an eternal fire or it simply means utter destruction of those cities ?

the answer is clear . that's the meaning of everlasting fire .




friend you actually quote this , do you now accept the bold sized ?

shadeyinka:


All these @bold coming from you! ...very Christlike indeed!

Use any allegorical interpretation and lets see the meaning. If they were dead how come.....

shadeyinka:



You still don't get it! If I destroy my Neigbours car, does it mean I mangled it or annihilate it?

The definitions and deductions stands even though you didn't respond to them.

Barristter07:
shadeyinka





" And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead." - Matt 17:9

Wilgrea7:


u didn't create the rules... but you're misinterpreting them. i never said hell was temporal and u go to heaven after hell. hell is utter destruction. its not a nice thing.

i agree that everyone will give account. that is very true. Jesus will also give to every man ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS. we will give account of everything. every man will either be rewarded or punished according to his works.. so don't worry about people like hitler, nd osama bin laden or even the armed robber that killed three people. they will be punished according to their works... its even there in revelation. but the end of the wicked is destruction from the sight of God and destruction from the face of the earth . please endeavour to open the links i sent

thanks

Peacefullove:


the FIFTH seal is as symbolic as the SIXTH seal of stars Falling on earth.

do you believe the sixth seals too, how come stars has large as they are fall upon this tiny planet earth ?