DeSepiero:


Our ancestors who died before the time of moses are they hell bound?

Wilgrea7:


1. as to if people are in hell now I'm not 100% sure.. from my research, when u die unrighteous u go to sheol(which is translated as hell in the bible) where u will await ur final judgement on the last day

2. God's mercy endureth forever and his anger is for a moment

3. your spirit/soul isn't immortal.. the soul that sinneth shall DIE. simple as abc. the fire of God can burn spirits.. it can destroy both body and soul. And by destroy i mean total anhilation from existence. nd believe me its not a nice destruction

RabbaRabbi:

No.

shadeyinka:


Lake of Fire is another way of Saying "Gods Refuse Dump". If anyone's name is notbfound in the book of life, he is thrown into Gods refuse Dump!


Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Infinite punishment Is it right or just if God were to force a Human being (who chooses not to obey God for say 100years of his life) to an eternity under His rule?


A human being is a spirit! Spirits cannot be annihilated... Spirits exist forever. In the spirit rhelm/eternity, time doesn't exist. It is just meaningless.

This means, there is not difference between 5 minutes and 5 decades for time simply doesn't exist.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Peacefullove:


what burns in hell , body , soul or spirit ?

Wilgrea7:


pls show me proof that the soul is eternal. the soul that sinneth shall die. God didn't say it shall burn for all eternity

EyeHateGod:

To go Where?

Wilgrea7:


because when ure dead you're not in hell. you're in sheol. sheol is the land of the dead and it is translated as hell in d bible. sheol is where people who await judgement are....
concerning the beast and the false prophet.. d issue was properly explained in the links i sent earlier.
why are u ignoring all the scriptures that talk about complete total destruction and you're focusing on revelation which is symbolic nd ure claiming hell is forever. do a research about hell.
God has the power to destroy (not infinitely torment) a soul in hell. there will be punishments for sins but the punishment isn't one that continues forever. only through Jesus can we have eternal life. our souls are not immortal. only jesus gives us that immortality. read the link below



http://www.truth-about-hell.com/page4.htm

Wilgrea7:


the fire of God can destroy both body and soul

Wilgrea7:


oga don't lie . there are 10 times more scriptures that talk about total ahnilation and very UNEXPLAINED few that u feel talks about eternal hell. everything that has a beginning has an end. God is God because he has no beginning or end. eternity is in his hands


destruction means what it means. destruction is destruction.. do your research.. the soul that sinneth shall die.

Peacefullove:


the refuse dump logic doesn't agree with hell notion , does the items in a refuse dump continuously burn eternally as hell opined ?






SHOW me the bold from your bible ? or lies as usual

shadeyinka:


Would you please explain this scripture if your definition of death is not myopic:
with power.

2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Moses and Elijah:
Were they resurrected?

Death is a disconnection of union in a Living Being.!

shadeyinka:


You didn't answer my questions:
1. Do you think Satan will burn in the lake of fire?

2. Since he doesn't have a physical body, what will burn?
Can physical fire burn spirits?

3. If it is Gods intention to annihilate sinners, why then resurrect them? Why not just resurrect the godly?


Please your response!

shadeyinka:


Read:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment [/b]ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have[b] no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

If their torment kills them how come they have no rest day or night.

Barristter07:
shadeyinka





it was a Vision.

2 Six days later, Jesus took Peter, James, and John and led them up a high mountain to be alone with him. His appearance was changed in front of them,

3 and his clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone on earth could bleach them.

4 Then Elijah appeared to them, accompanied by Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.

5 Then Peter told Jesus, “Rabbi, it’s good that we’re here! Let’s set up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”

6 (Peter didn’t know how to respond, because they were terrified.)

7 Then a cloud appeared and overshadowed them. A voice came out of the cloud and said, “This is my Son, whom I love. Keep on listening to him!”

8 Suddenly, as they looked around, they saw no one with them but Jesus alone.

9 On their way down the mountain, Jesus ordered them not to tell anyone what they had seen until the Son of Man had risen from the dead.

10 They kept the matter to themselves but argued about what “rising from the dead” meant.

shadeyinka:


When a person dies, he goes to Sheol (Hebrew for the place of the dead)

From the new testament, we see that there is a division of Sheol into two:
Abraham's Blossom: the place where Abraham is
Hell/Outer Darkness: a place of torment.
There is a gulf between these two compartments of Sheol.

There is the lake of fire. No human is there right now till after resurrection!


I guess you believe that only one kind of death exist. How do you explain this scripture since God cannot lie:

Gen2:17
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

When Adam & Eve ate from the tree, did they die?
Was Gods word broken?

How do you symbolically explain away the reaching of Jesus and the Rich man? Was Jesus preaching a heresy?

shadeyinka:


You didn't answer my questions:
1. Do you think Satan will burn in the lake of fire?

2. Since he doesn't have a physical body, what will burn?
Can physical fire burn spirits?

3. If it is Gods intention to annihilate sinners, why then resurrect them? Why not just resurrect the godly?

Please your response!

shadeyinka:


Will you rather prefare the word PRISON! ?
I Place where useless things to God are dumped.


If angels live and yet do not have bodies how come they are alive. Why is it impossible for you to realise that humans can live without their bodies.


The Lies!

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. View more

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart

see you, you reverse to prison again , but in the prison nobody is burned in fire , you forgot ? and in the prison there is a specified date for which a person will be released , does this agree with hell notion ? and in the case of life imprisonment, its not eternal it means as long as he lives . so death is expected terminate it !

am sure you didn't think well before bringing this up, FYI, you can't just justify this crazy doctrine


@ bold , if humans can live without their bodies . What is that thing that live on ?

shadeyinka:


Would you please explain this scripture if your definition of death is not myopic:
with power.

2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Moses and Elijah:
Were they resurrected?

Death is a disconnection of union in a Living Being.!

shadeyinka:


I just did something! I over-laughed at your response. A vision!

Mk9:2-


-Jesus appearance changed before the disciples
- then Elijah and Moses Appeared before them and were talking to Jesus
- Peter was terrified (why?)
- Jesus ordered them not to tell anyone what they had seen


Could these disciples all be seeing the same vision?


No! It wasn't a vision. It was reality! That was why fear gripped them.

I guess it goes against your theory of Annihilation!

Mt22:32
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

God is not the God of the dead!

Barristter07:


Bro, consider Exodus 3:2 to tell you that fire can't harm a spirit creature

" There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a blazing fire from the middle of a bush"


the Angel was in a blazing fire , you don't need logic to tell you he can't be harmed !

Barristter07:


" When the wicked sprout up like grass, and all the evildoers glisten, it is so that they may be annihilated. - Psalm 92:7


what do you understand from this scripture ?

7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:

8 But thou, LORD, art most high for evermore.

9 For, lo, thine enemies, O LORD, for, lo, thine enemies shall perish; all the workers of iniquity shall be scattered.

Wilgrea7:



that's not proof.. I'll take it that you haven't gone to any of the links i posted. pls ensure to do so.
on the part of “they have no rest". they won't rest. rest means to relieve yourself from something or to free yourself from something. they can never free themselves from the flame.. it destroys them for good..
.

Wilgrea7:

on the case of “for ever and ever"... go nd read d link i posted.. the word “for ever and ever was always used in the bible to mean an unknown time... not eternity or it could mean till the end of the person... also not eternity... if u read the story of jonah , he said he was in the belly of the earth(the fish) for EVER AND EVER . but we all know that he was there for just 3 days. also in other case scenarios properly stated in the links i shared.. so please do well to read them and quit generalising on one verse..

also, there are many more verses which talk about ahnilation but u choose the scarcely unexplained few that don't even really talk of eternal torment..

Wilgrea7:


i agree with u that no one is in hell(with fire) as of now until after the judgement. sheol was never said to contain fire.. go nd read about Sheol if ure in doubt.. but as to if sheol is divided into two i don't know. the rich man and Lazarus is[b] a parable so u can't use it to make a claim[/b]

Wilgrea7:

thanks for the adam and eve story. God told adam.. the day you eat of it you will die.. remember that a day in the sight of God is a thousand years to us. nobody from the beginning of this world till now ever lived up to a thousand.

Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Wilgrea7:

thirdly, the teaching of the rich man and Lazarus was a parable. it was one of the parables of Jesus. Jesus preached in parables. the people that brought Christianity to u called it one of the parable. the people who gave you your bible called it a parable. Jesus himself said he would be speaking in parables... ogbeni.. who are u to say its not a parable.. go nd do ur research. the rich man and lazarus story was always a parable

RabbaRabbi:


The wages of sin is death (burning in eternal hell) but the gift of God is life eternal through Christ Jesus our Lord: romans 6:23

God has given every human chances to make a choice. So it depends on the choice you choosed.

Wilgrea7:


1. who told u the lake of fire burns only physical things. the lake of fire was formed by the fire of God which is able to destroy both body and soul

Wilgrea7:

3. because when you die, you're not really dead. you're asleep. Jesus made us understand that. you're asleep not destroyed. on the last day the wicked will be destroyed, i.e erased from existence.. anhilated. the fire of God destroys both their body and soul

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And[b] white robes were given unto every one of them[/b]; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Peacefullove:



see you, you reverse to prison again , but in the prison nobody is burned in fire , you forgot ? and in the prison there is a specified date for which a person will be released , does this agree with hell notion ? and in the case of life imprisonment, its not eternal it means as long as he lives . so death is expected terminate it !

am sure you didn't think well before bringing this up, FYI, you can't just justify this crazy doctrine


@ bold , if humans can live without their bodies . What is that thing that live on ?

RabbaRabbi:


body dies here on earth. Spirit goes to God(spirit makes you live, thats the live of God in man,: read genesis 2 God breath into man and he became a living soul... I.e spirit), then the soul burns in hell...

Jesuobu:
my dear, you are bless for this response and I love you username too

Wilgrea7:


again.. death we know in the physical is sleep. as to if moses and elias were in heaven and came down i don't know.. i believe they are in heaven... but what does that have to do with hell being eternal and the soul being immortal

shadeyinka:



The same way Angels exist!

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are[b] as the angels[/b] of God in heaven.

Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Peacefullove:


another lie, give me where your holy book say the soul burns in hell ?

Wilgrea7:


i don't understand your deal man.. wat does ahnilation have to do with this?? only the wicked are ahnilated at the end of the world... not everybody.. the wicked are reserved unto the day of judgement.. seriously... what's your deal?