Wilgrea7:



please sir before u use revelations.. understand that that book is symbolic.. for more info visit endtimeprophecy.com

shadeyinka:




..and the teachings of Jesus are all parables!

Wilgrea7:


Jesus taught in parables... and if you're talking about lazarus and the rich man..... yes it is a PARABLE

if u can prove to me that its a parable I'm ready to listen

shadeyinka:


-The lake of Fire is Gods refuse Dump.
-Everything that is useless to God is thrown into the Lake of Fire.

-Since Hell (a place for ungodly souls) is no more needed because it is superceeded by the the lake of Fire it is no more useful to God (note that hell is not the grave else the sea also would be cast into the lake of fire)

I believe the implication is that:
1. No more death
2. No more sin

I am sure your argument is that hell will burn up like paper.....that ONLY God can say

But Jesus teaching is very clear on hell.
He referee to it as OUTER DARKNESS where there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

On Trinity of Man, just type shadeyinka trinity you will find my understanding explained.

dolphinheart:

the above are your man made opinion and does not have any support from the scriptures.
moreover refuse dumps are meant to disintegrate materials , is death a material?
so God used death, after successfully using death, it is now dumped in the lake of fire customers it's no longer use full, haba!


1. you still have not shown me that hell is a place of the ungodly souls, and if godly souls don't go to hell, where will they go?
2. you say that hell is not the grave, but this goes contrary to how most translations including the kjv translated the Hebrew and Greek word that is translated to "hell" so many times did they translate the same word into "grave" and "hell".
3. is the sea the grave? since the sea is not caste into the lake of fire!
4. you mention the lake of fire, but you ignore the part where the scriptures tell you the meaning, please tell me, how does death undergo a second death? cus lake of fire means the second death!
5 . what is the difference between grave and hell, what are the Hebrew and Greek words for them



with this we can also add
no more life.
no more person
if death will be no more after being thrown in Lake of fire, why not also say that man will be no more after being thrown into the lake of fire


I have never brought up such argument, neither will I bring it up.


1. you did not answer this question: " tell us what you understand by these scripture: 
King James Version
Re 20:13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Are those who are in the sea , the dead who the sea gave up, different from those in hell?

2. you can copy and paste your views about triune of man here. I typed it and found no explanation on man being a triune being.

shadeyinka:


Only Grace or Death will clear your ....impression!

I honestly need to do some more productive things rather than going round and round this small circle.

Shalom

shadeyinka:


No need to prove anything.
Your response is already burned into your ROM. I will only be getting a prerecorded answer!

Wilgrea7:


no.. they are just doctrines contrary to yours... so its up to you to analyse what they say and know which of us is lying.. if you've not read what it said then you're in no position whatsoever to call it doctrine of man or opinion or men... if u feel only u is right and anyone else contrary to u is wrong then there is no need discussing with you.. i like discussing with open minded people.. thanks

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Wilgrea7:


dude .I'm not a dogma... i analyse things... if u can prove it to me I'm all ears...

or is that ur tactic of running away from a discussion... if it is then its a really poor one

shadeyinka:


No! I don't run away from discussions check my threads. I just don't feel like going around in circles.

We use the same scriptures but our premise is totally different. When one person is looking at a scripture at
its face value and the other feels its allegorical it is a wasted effort.

When, it comes to doctrinal issues, logics as a means of discussion is secondary and scripture is primary. If we can't agree on the basis..sorry!

JW analyse things? No! Its always a playback of systematic inductrination.!

dolphinheart:


you had simply used man made opinions to define your own hell, when your beliefs are being scrutinised , you resort to what you just posted above.
You have been asked several questions , you should have stated that you can't answer them. I personaly belief that an attempt to answer them will show what you have been saying all this while as false.
you say hell is not the grave, but the kjv and numerous other translations translate the same Hebrew word to "grave" and "hell"
you talk about death, and I pointed to you to explain a living heart that is being removed from a dead person, you could not respond.
you talk about God saying Adam will die that same day he ate the fruit, well Adam did not die that same day, you wunt respond.

For you to believe in hell, one has to support it with the immortality of the soul, something the scriptures never mentioned but was propagated by philosophers and pagan worshipers . The scriptures specifically stated that souls can die, not only that, it says souls sinning will die!. In fact in the creation of Adam , God specifically stated that Adam is a soul ,not that he has a soul, but you wunt believe what this verses say customers it alters your belief in hell.

when God passed judgement on Adam, he did not tell him he is going to a temporary place where he will be burned for the next 6000 and more years, God did not lie to him either when he told him his outcomes, "FROM DUST YOU ARE AND TO DUST YOU WILL RETURN". If Adam is to return to where he came from, and now finds himself in hellfire, is Adam from hell fire?.

The belief that man is conscious after death must also be propagated to support the hellfire theory, the scriptures is clear that this is not true, man knows nothing when he dies!, that is why those resurrected in the bible could not give an account of where they where before resurrection.

They will say only soul goes to hell, but yet claim man is spirit. They will claim physical body does not go to hell, but will refuse to explain where jesus talked about body in hell.

shadeyinka:


No! I don't run away from discussions check my threads. I just don't feel like going around in circles.

We use the same scriptures but our premise is totally different. When one person is looking at a scripture at
its face value and the other feels its allegorical it is a wasted effort.

When, it comes to doctrinal issues, logics as a means of discussion is secondary and scripture is primary. If we can't agree on the basis..sorry!

JW analyse things? No! Its always a playback of systematic inductrination.!

Wilgrea7:




i swear you're funny... I'm not a JW.. like i said earlier also I'm not a dogma. JW's believe that when u die u simply cease to exist.... that's not my belief... how you're talking is only evidence that you've not been reading my comments closely.. I'm not a jw so please proof what u have to if u can and stop beating around the bush... cheers

concerning the part of everlasting fire... i have clarified that here before... its a fire u can't escape from

concerning the part of the demons..... did they say that Jesus has come to torment them eternally?? don't just make a hasty generalisation... if i tell u I'm going to torment u did i specify whether its till the point of your death or forever?? please again.. stop hasty generalisation

Wilgrea7:




i swear you're funny... I'm not a JW.. like i said earlier also I'm not a dogma. JW's believe that when u die u simply cease to exist.... that's not my belief... how you're talking is only evidence that you've not been reading my comments closely.. I'm not a jw so please proof what u have to if u can and stop beating around the bush... cheers

solite3:
you are right@ bold they are just doctrines not what God's word says, trust me you may not know me but I have learn to take God's word as it is, not twisting it to fit in man's desire and from experience you don't try to twist or bend God's word or else you are gone.
I guard my mind cause that is my control room which is only open to God's Spirit. I have read countless times, people trying to explain away the externality of hell. The truth of God's word is so simple but men has made it difficult.

PROOF THAT HELL IS REAL!


Jesus does not make threats


wow is it not better to be anhilated than to live with one eye forever? Why will Jesus it is better to live with one eye than to be cast into hell if hell is not forever?


if hell is not real, why would Jesus warned so much about it?




if people would be anhilated, where then is then everlasting shame?

are the devils going to be anhilated? Read this below



Everlasting torment not everlasting anhilation



The story of the richman and lazarus is real!

There are also revelation from the Lord that proves this, the Gospel is simple enough for all! But the devil has made it most difficult through the rebellion of men!

pls prove how the story of Lazarus and the rich man isn't a parable

secondly... for the fact that that my doctrine is contrary to yours doesn't make yours right.. its either one of us doesn't know the truth... so don't be quick to say yours is correct cuz u were taught in sunday school

thirdly the demons never said Jesus was coming to torment them eternally.. he can torment them till death or torment them eternally.. it wasn't stated.. so don't just generalise it and say its an eternal torment

i said the end of the wicked is destruction and anhilation... i never said they wouldn't be punished according to their crimes

RabbaRabbi:
It's really hard to keep the thoughts of hell. Neither does that make it less or non-existing.

Even some so called churches are gradually wiping off the thoughts of hell from the mind of the members in the name of not getting them scared. Hell is also a piece of work which the bible highlighted on mostly.

Why does hell exist? And where?

I know you want some answers to questions that have been bothering you. Then am here for that.

Ask me your questions(based on hell: why, where and for what)

noblefada:


For the love of God, you don't know what hell is. There is no fire in hell, stop confusing hell and lake of fire. Please do a little study on hell and become enlighten. You start from this verse Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Wilgrea7:


Sir concerning the parable... when was it written that Jesus never uses the name of people in a parable... if so then why didn't he name the rich man?

RabbaRabbi:


to crown it all, boy. There is hell and the is lake of fire. Hell is a temporal place where the devil is now. But after the judgment, he will be thrown into the lake of fire... Revelations 20:10-15

the body been mention is the physical flesh, that rots after death.

The spirit in man, is part of God that enables man to connect to God, so after death it seperates from the body and soul... Soul does not die , neither do the spirit.

shadeyinka:


I hear you! Time always unveil the truth!

Peacefullove:


he hehehehe lying Rabbi @ bold

" the soul that sinneth , shall DIE " . it declared that soul dies. Ezekiel 18 vs 4 .

abeg , this bible statement na lie ?

Wilgrea7:




i swear you're funny... I'm not a JW.. like i said earlier also I'm not a dogma. JW's believe that when u die u simply cease to exist.... that's not my belief... how you're talking is only evidence that you've not been reading my comments closely.. I'm not a jw so please proof what u have to if u can and stop beating around the bush... cheers

concerning the part of everlasting fire... i have clarified that here before... its a fire u can't escape from

concerning the part of the demons..... did they say that Jesus has come to torment them eternally?? don't just make a hasty generalisation... if i tell u I'm going to torment u did i specify whether its till the point of your death or forever?? please again.. stop hasty generalisation

RabbaRabbi:


God was not speaking about the physical death. We all know people do die, but here God presented a different case study.

The soul goes on to live...

I will advice you to do more search. Ask christians, google it and then come back to prove me wrong.

Peacefullove:

you didn't disprove it . only came up with lame excuses

abeg , which kind of death is been talked about . ?

RabbaRabbi:




hell is called the second death...
So thats what God meant... And not the physical.

Make some research here > http://www.tldm.org/News8/RealityOfHell.htm

shadeyinka:


There is nothing impossible for God! Just as He can annihilate, He can also keep alive!

Peacefullove:
see how one lie , is leading you to tell more lies .




*sigh* see broad day Lie . just to twist and scatter a plain statement . the Jews that wrote that verse know nothing about this thrash you wrote up there , they read and understand it as it meant . ONLy for one false Rabbi to come centuries later and say nah , they have all got it wrong .

okay shebi you said hell is called the second death.

Revelation 20 vs 14 said hell is casted into the lake of fire , this is the second death .

if hell is called the second death , abeg explain how hell is casted into the second death ( are you telling me hell is casted into itself ) ?

RabbaRabbi:



from the way you sound, you don't seek for answers but looking for round-the-circle arguments...


Yes, hell shall be cast into the lake of fire after the white throne judgement...

Note: the lake of fire is also known as the second death. But it is the final after God's judgment.

Revelation 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and socerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the [size=50pt]SECOND DEATH:[/size]


revelation 20:13,14

and the sea gave up the dead.... And hell delivered up the dead.... And they were judged according to their work..... And death and hell was cast into the lake of fire. This is the [size=50pt]SECOND DEATH[/size]

the lake of fire is the final destinations of sinners and the devil after the white throne judgement.

Those who are in hell now will still be judged on the last day...

2 peter 2:4

for if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkeness, to be reserverd unto judgement.

So there's no need thinking am fooling around with you.

I just try as much as God leads, to make you understand the bible perspectives and principles of operations.

Thanks...

Peacefullove:


I know why I brought this up. my main focus is to examine if your twisted analogy of soul die in Ezekiel 18 vs 4 is true or not .

you RabbaRabbi said : " hell is called the second death "


To examine this statement , I quote the revelation passage and it proved YOU LIED . instead Lake of fire , this is the second death NOT hell


since its now evident that you lied , therefore your statement that Ezekiel 18:4 means another thing is a fraud .


body dies , soul dies . says your bible ( Ezekiel 18:4) , infact your bible called a dead man a Dead soul - Numbers 6 vs 6, just to make you realize the meaning is clear