AideeSheks:
Jazakallahu khairan. I think I understand what you've explained. In sha Allah, I'll try and look out for all these things later this evening.

lexiconkabir:


Brother, why don't you start learning Arabic? In an institution formally...

AideeSheks:


It's something I've put some consideration into and hopefully intend to. How exactly do you mean a formal institution?

lexiconkabir:

As in, classroom thing..... Learning with a teacher right next to you.

AideeSheks:


Alright.
Where would you suggest?

lexiconkabir:


Since i dont know where you stay, ask people in your area, but make sure they(the madrasa) are upon the sunnah, you might say its just Arabic, yes its just Arabic but learn from people of sunnah.

lexiconkabir:
WHEN ALIF WA LAM ال COMES AFTER TANWEEN.


Sorry that the rules are coming in bits, thats because i cant remember all the rules at once, i remember only when i come across them while reading the Qur'an, so in the process of reading this morning i found a rule which we've not discussed, have you ever came across this in the Qur'an?

إِلَىٰ رَبِّكَ يَوْمَئِذٍ ٱلْمُسْتَقَرُّ

Its in Surah al-Qiyama, how do we read the kasratain that comes before ال ? Are we to apply the rule of izhaar aw iqlaab aw idgaam aw ikhfaa ? Well none of these rules will work because hamza wasl is not a letter of any of the aforementioned.

Here is how you read it;

Ilaa robbika yawma idhi[size=16pt]nil[/size] mustaqar.

*Modified*

I just gave the reading i didn't give the general rule, the rule is WHENEVER HAMZA WASL COMES AFTER A TANWEEN, YOU CHANGE THE VOWELESS NUN SOUND IN THE TANWEEN TO KASRAH

Thats why yamwa idhin almustaqar changed to yawma idhi[size=17pt]nil[/size] mustaqar.

The same way نوحٌ ٱبنه will be read as noohu[size=17pt]nib[/size] nah

That will be all for now,


Salaam.

AideeSheks:
Jazakallahu khairan brother. Even though I'm still behind in the rules. As you advised earlier, trying not to rush with each rule so I'm taking my time with every one. I'm presently on the nun sakinah and tanween rules. I understand and can identify most of them, still only the ikhfaa that I'm struggling a bit with (At times, I mistakenly pronounce the ghunnah in full).

lexiconkabir:

Wa alaykum salaam
If there are no pause marks to where you run out of breath, the general consensus is that you go 2 or 3 words back and resume the recitation (so as to make sure it forms a better sense of that ayah and perhaps to make sure the last word recited was complete). Most beginners however can omit this method and pickup from where they stopped (since they are learning).
The more you practice, the more you will have a faint idea of where to pick up, always listen to other reciters.

lexiconkabir:


As in, classroom thing..... Learning with a teacher right next to you.

k4kenny:


That's the best way to learn arabic. I was solely depending on reciters like Sudais and Husary, while simultaneously reading the Quran. But the best way to get the words right is to sit face to face with your ustaz and watch how their lips move. Constantly repeating the words alongside the reciter makes it easier as well. We treated Suratul-Nnas yesterday, chai!!! . All I can say is astaghfirullahi for years of mispronounciation. Allahu alam.

k4kenny:
Alhamdulillahi i stumbled upon this thread. Jazakumullahu khayran brother lexiconk.abir.

I also just started a tajweed class 2 days ago (evening school for illiterate mamas like us ). Having had no formal Arabic education, all I always depend on is recitations. However, there's nothing compared to having someone break down each letter and pronounciations. Can you imagine the entire first session was just to learn "Audzubilllahi minashaytani rrajeem" At my first recital, I was feeling like one kain G, only for my tutor to point out about 8 errors I've made on just that phrase . Alhamdulillah I'm improving.




@bolded
Now I get it. I've often wondered why reciters like Sudais ususlly goes a few words back whenever he's on a long Ayah. Jazakumullah Khayran

Contact17:


Jazakallahu Khiran for sharing your story.

I find it motivating.

lexiconkabir:


Actually if you understand the meaning of what you are saying, you can even pick up right from where you stopped the aayah, reciters like sudais does this alot, for example in the Qur'an we have;


مَثَلِ الشَّيْطَانِ إِذْ قَالَ لِلْإِنسَانِ اكْفُرْ

If i say "mathalish shaytaan" and stop then start from "idh qaala lil insaanikfur" i would be correct without going two words back(its just an example), because it makes sense that way since it gives the real meaning intended just as how it does when read without breaking it.


But for non Arabic speakers, it's safer to go two or three words back.

k4kenny:


Ok. How will I be sure that I'm making sense after going 2 or 3 words back as I don't understand Arabic. For instance in suratul Qadr

Tanazzalu'l malaaaikatul wa'l ruuhu feeha bihidzni rabbihim mmin kulli amr

One reciter (Sudais, I think) does read the ayah in one breath, he goes back to 'bihidzni rabbihim.... My question is how does a learner like me know that's the right word to skip back to. Hope you understand?

k4kenny:


Ok. How will I be sure that I'm making sense after going 2 or 3 words back as I don't understand Arabic. For instance in suratul Qadr

Tanazzalu'l malaaaikatul wa'l ruuhu feeha bihidzni rabbihim mmin kulli amr

One reciter (Sudais, I think) does read the ayah in one breath, he goes back to 'bihidzni rabbihim.... My question is how does a learner like me know that's the right word to skip back to. Hope you understand?

lexiconkabir:


He did that cuz he understands what he is saying, but if you don't understand Arabic, just pick two or three words from behind(but to me two words is fine), that's the consensus, with time, youll know how to pick up verses even without thinking just like driving where you are always concious while learning but when you've mastered it, you drive without thinking.

So as a learner don't worry about that, just pick two words or three,

A quick motivation:

The prophet said “The one who is proficient in the recitation of the Qur’an will be with the honourable and obedient scribes (angels) and he who recites the Qur’an and finds it difficult to recite, doing his best to recite it in the best way possible, will have a double reward.”

So either way you will be happy in the hereafter if you read the Quran, the thing is, just be frequent in reading it for if you abandon it, it will abandon you like the camel abandons his owner that you search and search for it, I'm talking from experience confirming the words of the prophet.

FriendChoice:


Apart from end of Aya, there are certain places that have comas(,) and full stop in the Quran. So you can also stop at those points. For places without that, my brother has explain it to you. If you want to learn those stoping places and tajweed, listen to reciters like AL-Manshawi, Khalil Khusari and thier likes NOT Sudais, Shureem Maheer etc. Those you heard from them are Prayer (Namaz) recitation. They may be quicker in their recitation

lexiconkabir:

He did that cuz he understands what he is saying, but if you don't understand Arabic, just pick two or three words from behind(but to me two words is fine), that's the consensus, with time, youll know how to pick up verses even without thinking just like driving where you are always concious while learning but when you've mastered it, you drive without thinking.
So as a learner don't worry about that, just pick two words or three,
A quick motivation:
The prophet said “The one who is proficient in the recitation of the Qur’an will be with the honourable and obedient scribes (angels) and he who recites the Qur’an and finds it difficult to recite, doing his best to recite it in the best way possible, will have a double reward.”
So either way you will be happy in the hereafter if you read the Quran, the thing is, just be frequent in reading it for if you abandon it, it will abandon you like the camel abandons his owner that you search and search for it, I'm talking from experience confirming the words of the prophet.

AideeSheks:
Asalam alaykum

I came across something this morning which I'd like to ask about. In verse 27 of surat al-qiyama, there is a sign after "waqeela man" (a letter ﺱ right above). Even though it appears like a stop sign to me, I'm not sure because it isn't part of any of the ones I learnt earlier. In Husary's recitation, he paused at that point but I need to know principle behind this. So, what exactly is

that symbol and how is it used?

lexiconkabir:


Wa alaykum salaam,

Its actually a stop sign it means to take a soft/short pause without taking a breath. its rare to see that's why i probably forgot to add it in my op, listen to a reciter to see how this pause is made. Also you would at times see a س above a ص, That means you pronounce the latter as س instead of ص but if it is under the ص than pronounce it as a ص(it's original pronunciation).

AideeSheks:


Jazakallahu khairan.
This was really helpful. I'll try to see if I can come across some examples of those symbols you've mentioned.

lexiconkabir:


Wa ant

BTW brother, do you still take lessons from yasir Qadhi? If yes what kind of lessons?

lexiconkabir:
Ismu jalala

This part deals with how Allaah's(azza wa jal) name is pronounced when found in the Qur'an, hence the title.

When you a fatha or a dammah comes before the name Allaah, you pronounce Allaah with a "O-shaped" mouth, for example "قل هوَ ٱللّه أحد" will be pronounced as "Qul huwalloohu ahad" and "نصرُ ٱللّه وٱلفتح" will be pronounced as "nasrulloohi wal fath" but if it is kasra that comes before the name of Allaah, you pronounce the name with a "carpet-shaped" mouth, example is "فى دينِ ٱللّه أفواخًا" pronounced as "fi deenillaahi afwaaja"...



Salaam alaykum k4kenny, how far have you gone with your tajweed class?