SalC:
What is this?

i think it is either sspx or sedesvacante, they are accusing the present pope of teaching heresy and contradicting past church doctrines.

Ubenedictus:
i think it is either sspx or sedesvacante, they are accusing the present pope of teaching heresy and contradicting past church doctrines.

Only an ignorant or confused SSPX member will write that, its most likely coming from the sede vacante enclave. Those guys ....I tire.

Syncan:


Only an ignorant or confused SSPX member will write that, its most likely coming from the sede vacante enclave. Those guys ....I tire.

I guess u havent been around d sspx circle, they look at anything coming from rome as suspect, they believe if d pope isnt speaking ex cathedra then he may very well b teaching heresy. The sspx will agree francis is pope but they certainly will disagree with 60% of what he says and they wouldn't bother to obey because it isnt extraordinarily binding.

I met a sspx bishop some time ago and he claimed rome is infirm and suffering from alzemiers that prevents her from recalling correctly. They have a huge beef with papa francis since they believe he is very liberal.

Syncan:


Only an ignorant or confused SSPX member will write that, its most likely coming from the sede vacante enclave. Those guys ....I tire.

The sspx has a similar disposition towards rome, they will ignore most of what comes from rome and tag many others heresy.

Ubenedictus:
i think it is either sspx or sedesvacante, they are accusing the present pope of teaching heresy and contradicting past church doctrines.

I don't know much about these sspx but sedesvacantists have been up against every pope since Vatican ll.

Syncan:


Only an ignorant or confused SSPX member will write that, its most likely coming from the sede vacante enclave. Those guys ....I tire.

Lol am just wondering, in their minds, when will the seat ever be occupied again. They had a vacant seat for close to sixty years.

If indeed you are a Catholic member, then go through all these.
The Church have been taken over by the devil simce 1958
Why the New Mass and the New rite of
Ordination are Invalid: Video
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Why the New Mass and the New rite of
Ordination is Invalid: Document
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/10_NewOrdination.pdf
Heresies of Anti Pope Francis and what he
believes: Video
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/anti-pope-francis/#.VqoyhZorJhc
Heresies of Anti Pope Francis and what he
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Heresies of John Paul II: Documents
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/16_JohnPaulII.pdf
Heresies of John Pal II: Video
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Amazing Heresies of anti pope Paul VI: Video
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Heresies of anti Pope Benedict XVI: Documents
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Heresies of anti Pope Benedict XVI: Video
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Heresies of anti pope John XXIII: Documents
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/13_JohnXXIII.pdf
Heresies of Vatican II evil council: Document
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/8_VaticanII.pdf
Heresies of Vatican II evil council: Video
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/vatican-ii-council/#.Vqo1_5orJhc
Vatican II Jewish heresies: Video
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Third Secret of Fatima as it related to Vatican II:
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Ubenedictus:
I guess u havent been around d sspx circle, they look at anything coming from rome as suspect, if believe if d pope isnt speaking ex cathedra then he may very well b teaching heresy. the sspx wil agree francis is pope but they certainly will disagree will 60% of what he say and they would bother to obey because it isnt extraordinarily binding.

I met a sspx bishop some time ago and he claimed rome is infirm and suffering from alziemiers that prevent her from recalling correctly. They even have a huge beef with papa francis since they believe he is very liberal.

Lol @ alzemiers

SalC:

I don't know much about these sspx but sedesvacantists have been up against every pope since Vatican ll.

They are a bit similar, d main difference is dat sspx says d pope is truely pope and sedesvacante says d throne of peter is empty.

Ubenedictus:
I guess u havent been around d sspx circle, they look at anything coming from rome as suspect, they believe if d pope isnt speaking ex cathedra then he may very well b teaching heresy. The sspx will agree francis is pope but they certainly will disagree with 60% of what he says and they wouldn't bother to obey because it isnt extraordinarily binding.

I met a sspx bishop some time ago and he claimed rome is infirm and suffering from alzemiers that prevents her from recalling correctly. They have a huge beef with papa francis since they believe he is very liberal.

I understand what you're saying. That which I have made bold, informed my post, the Poster seem not to agree with that.

SalC:

Lol am just wondering, in their minds, when will the seat ever be occupied again. They had a vacant seat for close to sixty years.

It's not our business what Non-Catholics think about the seat of Peter.

SalC:

Lol @ alzemiers

The guy was very serious in making his case. lefebve his mentor was worse.

Syncan:


It's not our business what Non-Catholics think about the seat of Peter.

This is why it gets murky, dem no go gree say dem dey schism and heresy, them go tell u say na dem b d real real catholics.

FrancisTony:

I go for mass every Friday.

Yes, I am in school and away...

Argg, I should have known you were a Catholic.
Your name is a frankenword of St. Francis Of Assisi and St. Anthony Of Padua.

Aha, tomorrow is Latin mass -- hip hip hurray. Latin Masses never disappoint in dredging up nolstagic memories of my days as a Mass-server.

Let us tell the truth -- nothing beats Latin mass. As Aristotle said in the Nicomachean Ethics: "Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas".

Plato is my friend, but the truth is a better friend -- and the unvarnished truth is that when doubt; when the many troubles of the world; when the fangs of sin have bored holes of disbelief into the fabric of our faith, the mellifluous tunes of the Agnus Dei, and the Kyrie Eleison, and the Sanctus, could be the Virgil and/or Beatrice to our Dante -- that benign hand of salvation which pulls us out of the wriggling anonymity of the proverbial worm.

...

I think one of the most unpopular decisions of Vatican II was in its stifling of the fullness of the chants and prayers in Latin.
Most people certainly can easily come to understand what is being sung w/o getting a Ph.D. in Latin literature. The original poetry of the Mass is Latin. It can not be FULLY appreciated w/o at least some Latin.
We have this to blame on the many misguided souls in the 60s and 70s who wanted to make the Catholic Church into something resembling a liberal Protestant church. I hope all of that changes soon and things revert to the way they were, or at least close to the way they were.

[...]

Credo

[b]Credo in unum Deum,
Patrem omnipotentem, factorem caeli et terrae, visibilium omnium, Et invisibilium.
Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum,
Filium Dei unigenitum.
Et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula.
Deum de Deo, Lumen de lumine,
Deum verum de Deo vero.
Genitum, non factum, consubstantialem Patri:
Per quem omnia facta sunt.
Qui propter nos homines,
Et propter nostram salutem descendit de caelis.
Et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria Virgine:
Et homo factus est.
Crucifixus etiam pro nobis: sub Pontio Pilato passus, Et sepultus est.
Et resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas.
Et ascendit in caelum: sedet ad dexteram Patris.
Et iterum venturus est cum gloria, judicare vivos et mortuos: cuius regni non erit finis.
Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum, et vivificantem:
qui ex Patre Filioque procedit.
Qui cum Patre et Filio simul adoratur,
et conglorificatur: qui locutus est per Prophetas.
Et unam sanctam catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam.
Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum.
Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum.
Et vitam venturi saeculi. Amen.[/b]



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ETFI2U9RA

The purpose is to demonstrate that Jorge Bergoglio (aka Francis) is a manifest heretic, apostate
and false pope.

Regardless of the reader's affiliation, it will be obvious that this man does not preach Roman Catholicism.
but rather the Antichristianity of the Antichurch.

---

Francis teaching:

“Non-Christians [such as pagans and atheists], by God’s gracious initiative, when they are faithful to their own consciences,
can live “justified by the grace of God”, and thus be “associated to the paschal mystery of Jesus Christ”… to the sacramental
dimension of sanctifying grace...to live[b] our own beliefs[/b].”


True Catholic Teaching:

“If anyone shall have said that the one true God, our Creator and Lord, cannot be known with certitude by those things
which have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema(accursed).”


“If anyone shall have denied the one true God, Creator and Lord of visible and invisible things: let him be anathema.”


For the invisible things of him, from the creation
of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also,
and divinity: so that they are inexcusable

---

Francis

“I do not approach the relationship in order to proselytize, or convert the atheist; I respect him… nor would I say that
his life is condemned, because I am convinced that I do not have the right… every man is the image of God, whether he is a believer or not.
...everyone has a series of virtues, qualities, and a greatness of his own.”


True Catholic Teaching

: “… the holy Roman Church, founded on the words of our Lord and Savior, firmly believes, professes and preaches one true God,
almighty, immutable and eternal, Father, Son and Holy Spirit… Therefore it [the Church] condemns, rejects, anathematizes
and declares to be outside the Body of Christ [and of God], which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views.”

---

Francis

“If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge them?”


CNN, March 21, 2013:
“Behind closed doors, pope supported civil unions in Argentina, activist says - "He [Francis, then the “archbishop” of Buenos Aires] told me. … ‘I’m in favor of gay rights and in any case, I also favor civil unions for homosexuals, but I believe that Argentina is not yet ready for
a gay marriage law," said Marquez, a gay rights activist, a self-described devout Catholic and a former theology professor...”

HuffingtonPost, March 20, 2013:
“Pope Francis Advocated For Civil Unions For Gay Couples In 2010 As Argentina’s
Cardinal Bergoglio - Pope Francis supported civil unions for gay couples as recently as 2010. … Francis -- then known as
Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio -- suggested to his bishops that the Church support civil unions.... “He [Bergoglio] wagered on a position of greater dialogue with society.” said Sergio Rubin, authorized biographer for then-Cardinal Bergoglio, according to The New York Times."

True Catholic Teaching

“For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural
use into that use which is against nature. And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women,
have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working[b] that which is filthy[/b], and receiving in themselves
the recompense which was due to their error.”


“We establish that any priest or member of the clergy, either secular or regular, who commits such an execrable crime
[the homosexual vice against nature], by force of the present law be deprived of every clerical privilege, of every post,
dignity and ecclesiastical benefit, and having been degraded by an ecclesiastical judge, let him be immediately delivered
to the secular authority to be put to death, as mandated by law as the[b] fitting punishment[/b] for laymen who have sunk into this abyss.”

---

Francis

“We hold the Jewish people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked...”


“The [Vatican II] Church officially recognizes that the People of Israel continue to be the Chosen People. Nowhere does it say: ‘You lost the game, now it is our turn.’ It is a recognition of the People of Israel.”

“As Christians, we cannot consider Judaism as a foreign religion; nor do we include the Jews
among those called to turn from idols [false gods] and to serve the true God [i.e., Francis says Jews are not to be
considered to be as those who turn from false gods in order to serve the true God Jesus Christ and the Trinity since he
already believes they serve the true God!]... With them, we believe in the one God who acts in history, and with them we
accept his revealed word.”



“The first consideration is that the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law were abrogated by the coming of Christ and that they can no longer be observed without sin after the promulgation of the Gospel.”

---

Francis

“Not long ago I was in a synagogue taking part in a ceremony. I prayed a lot and, while praying,...”

True Catholic Teaching

“If any ecclesiastic or layman shall go into the synagogue of the Jews or the meetinghouses of the heretics to join in prayer with them,
let them be deposed and deprived of communion. If any bishop or priest or deacon shall join in prayer with heretics,
let him be suspended from communion.”


“If any one, either of the clergy or laity, enters into a synagogue of the Jews or heretics to pray, let him be deprived and suspended.”

---

Francis

“I am respectful of all new spiritual proposals… Surviving the passage of time is the major test of spiritual purity.”


“... the issue for those who do not believe in God is in obeying their own conscience. In fact, listening and obeying it, means deciding about what
is perceived to be good or to be evil”


True Catholic Teaching

“Also perverse is that shocking theory that it[b] makes no difference to which religion one belongs[/b], a theory greatly at variance even with reason.
By means of this theory, those crafty men remove all distinction between virtue and vice, truth and error, honorable and vile action...,
as if there could ever be..., any collaboration between light and darkness, or any agreement between Christ and Belial.”

---

Please note

“The pope himself, if notoriously guilty of heresy, would cease to be pope because he would cease to be a member of the Church.”

"Any office becomes vacant upon the fact and without any declaration by tacit resignation recognized by the law itself if a cleric:

4. Publicly defects from the Catholic faith..."


"The practice of the Church has always been the same,...,to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine.... heresies may spring up,..., should any one give his assent, he is by the very fact cut off from Catholic unity. “... For there may be or may arise some other heresies,..., and, if any one holds to one single one of these he is not a Catholic” (S. Augustinus, De Haeresibus, n. 88)."


Thus

Francis is not a Roman Catholic.

Francis does not teach Roman Catholicism.

Francis teaches the new One World Religion of the Antichrist.

The religion of Hollywood, the Media, the Modernists, and Oprah.

You've been warned.

gaelllic:
The purpose is to demonstrate that Jorge Bergoglio (aka Francis) is a manifest heretic, apostate
and false pope.Regardless of the reader's affiliation, it will be obvious that this man does not preach Roman Catholicism.
but rather the Antichristianity of the Antichurch.........

........Thus
Francis is not a Roman Catholic.
Francis does not teach Roman Catholicism.
Francis teaches the new One World Religion of the Antichrist.
The religion of Hollywood, the Media, the Modernists, and Oprah.
You've been warned.

A typical example of what Ignorance and conspiracy theory worship can get you into. See how they try to force your understanding of a statement towards one direction. When the Pope's statement is supported by scripture they quote another Pope out of context, when his statement is supported by the Catechism of the Catholic Church, they quote scripture and wrench the interpretation unto their own destruction...like St. peter had warned. Catholics beware, only the truth sets free.


A song for the Pope, the Royal Pope

Who rules from sea to sea;

Whose kingdom and scepter never shall fail,

What a valiant king Is he! What a valiant king is he!


No warrior hordes hath he with their swords,

His rock built throne to guard;

Yet against it the gates Of hell shall war

In vain, as they ever have warred.


Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! |x2|

Yet one more cheer for the Royal Pope,

Hurrah! Hurrah!! Hurrah!!!

Syncan:


A typical example of what Ignorance and conspiracy theory worship can get you into. See how they try to force your understanding of a statement towards one direction. When the Pope's statement is supported by scripture they quote another Pope out of context, when his statement is supported by the Catechism of the Catholic Church, they quote scripture and wrench the interpretation unto their own destruction...like St. peter had warned. Catholics beware, only the truth sets free.

You are a base and ludicrous liar.

Or possibly simply illiterate.

Ubenedictus:
I guess u havent been around d sspx circle, they look at anything coming from rome as suspect, they believe if d pope isnt speaking ex cathedra then he may very well b teaching heresy. The sspx will agree francis is pope but they certainly will disagree with 60% of what he says and they wouldn't bother to obey because it isnt extraordinarily binding.

I met a sspx bishop some time ago and he claimed rome is infirm and suffering from alzemiers that prevents her from recalling correctly. They have a huge beef with papa francis since they believe he is very liberal.

"Proselytism (evangelism) is solemn nonsense. It makes no sense."
- Francis, October 1, 2013,


If the man who said such a thing is your 'papa',

then you're of the Devil.

SalC:

I don't know much about these sspx but sedesvacantists have been up against every pope since Vatican ll.

We have seen 'mass' celebrated with Dorito chips.

We've seen a 'pope' bow his head to kiss the Koran.

We've seen statues of Buddha placed on the altar.

We've seen nuns dressed as pagan priestesses.

We've seen 'communion' given to notorious abortionists.

We've seen VII 'popes' deny Christ, in print and living colour.

And you sit there peddling sophistry, making snide jokes, denying what even the blind know.

If anyone can read that list of abominations without recoiling

then I fear Satan has claimed such a one.

gaelllic:


You are a base and ludicrous liar.

Or possibly simply illiterate.

Really? I used two adjectives, "Ignorant, and conspiracy theory worship", now I'll take your number one point and x-ray to show it. It is left for you to show that your father is not the "Accuser of the brethren" Rev.12:10, by proving your adjectives of base, ludicrous liar, and illiterate.

gaelllic:

Francis teaching:
“Non-Christians [such as pagans and atheists], by God’s gracious initiative, when they are faithful to their own consciences,
can live “justified by the grace of God”, and thus be “associated to the paschal mystery of Jesus Christ”… to the sacramental
dimension of sanctifying grace...to live[b] our own beliefs[/b].”

Antipope Francis, Evangelii Gaudium (# 254), Nov. 24, 2013

True Catholic Teaching:
“If anyone shall have said that the one true God, our Creator and Lord, cannot be known with certitude by those things
which have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema(accursed).”

Pope Pius IX,
First Vatican Council, 1869-1870

“If anyone shall have denied the one true God, Creator and Lord of visible and invisible things: let him be anathema.”

Pope Pius IX,
First Vatican Council.

For the invisible things of him, from the creation
of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also,
and divinity: so that they are inexcusable
[right] Romans 1:19-21
(Douay-Rheims)

For a start, the heretic inputs into the popes writings this "[such as pagans and atheists]", just to point you to the direction he wants you. Then when your antenna goes up at mention of atheists and pagans, he intentionally hides very important parts of the same paragraph with "......". This is to make you read all the words as related together, hence making the reader feel like "Unbelievable!!!". Note, he has two "..." there, the first one covers only these two words "But due". Why hide those two words? It is because "but" immediately tells the reader that there's more than just what had been read, and makes the reader more inquisitive to see the whole writing. The second "...." hides these words "While these lack the meaning and efficacy of the sacraments instituted by Christ, they can be channels which the Holy Spirit raises up in order to liberate non-Christians from atheistic immanentism or from purely individual religious experiences. The same Spirit everywhere brings forth various forms of practical wisdom which help people to bear suffering and to live in greater peace and harmony. As Christians, we can also benefit from these treasures built up over many centuries, which can help us better to live our own beliefs." It is imperative to note that, that this paragraph was almost entirely lifted from this publication "Christianity and the world religions" (1996), a very intensive study. Its referenced as "Enchiridion vaticanum 15, Nos 1061, 1070-1076" but the heretic will make you think it's all originating from Pope Francis,yet it came into existence in 1996, who was the Pope then, Francis? I won't go into the quotes from the Pope Pius IX, for it is completely mutual exclusive to what Pope Francis was talking about, that's something the heretic has put for the conspiracy theorists to start shouting Anathema!!! Anathema!!!

Again, see how the heretic cunningly quoted Rom.1:19-21, and highlighted the part "so that they are inexcusable", yet he refuses to say who it was addressed to as seen in the verse before it, see vs 18 : For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice. When you read further down, St. Paul makes it clearer by explaining in Rom 2:14-15 "For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves: Who shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them, and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another". Maybe the heretic will declare St. Paul anathema too. .

Long Live the Pope!!!

gaelllic:



"Proselytism (evangelism) is solemn nonsense. It makes no sense."
- Francis, October 1, 2013,


If the man who said such a thing is your 'papa',

then you're of the Devil.

You see your life? According to a 2007 document from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith titled "Instruction on Some Aspects of Evangelization".

"The term proselytism originated in the context of Judaism, in which the term proselyte referred to someone who, coming from the gentiles, had passed into the Chosen People.
So too, in the Christian context, the term proselytism was often used as a synonym for missionary activity.
More recently, however, the term has taken on a negative connotation, to mean the promotion of a religion by using means, and for motives, contrary to the spirit of the Gospel; that is, which do not safeguard the freedom and dignity of the human person".

Now looking at the bold, why should Pope Francis encourage it? Now lets look at what the Holy Father is saying, listen to his words:

"Remember what Benedict XVI said: “The Church does not grow by proselytizing; she grows by attracting others.”
And what attracts is our witness. Being a catechist means witnessing to the faith, being consistent in our personal life. This is not easy!
We help, we lead others to Jesus with our words and our lives, with our witness. I like to recall what Saint Francis of Assisi used to say to his friars: “Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words.”
Words come . . . but witness comes first: people should see the Gospel, read the Gospel, in our lives [Address to Catechists, April 27, 2013].

O heretic, Just tell me how this isn't a sound teaching.

November 1st = All Saints Day.

I really hope I could go to Mass today. Arggg.

Happy all saints' day to all my brethren.

If you will not learn proper Christian teaching, at least learn the use of paragraphs ...and coloring books.
Your write-up is an eyesore.

Now.

.

Syncan:
... For a start, the heretic inputs into the popes writings this "[such as pagans and atheists]"

The second "...." hides these words "While these lack the meaning and efficacy of the sacraments instituted by Christ, they can be channels which the Holy Spirit raises up in order to liberate non-Christians from atheistic immanentism or from purely individual religious experiences. The same Spirit everywhere brings forth various forms of practical wisdom which help people to bear suffering and to live in greater peace and harmony. As Christians, we can also benefit from these treasures built up over many centuries, which can help us better to live our own beliefs."...etc. etc.

1. Please don't be absurd. Whatever I edit is for reasons of space and clarity. Sources are clearly indicated in order to encourage people
to personally verify authenticity.

2. The word 'non-Christians' precisely, precisely refers to atheists and pagans. Search your intellect (it oughtn't take long), and find
me any non-Christian who cannot be described as pagan (false god doctrine) or atheist (no-gods doctrine).

3. The notion that the Holy Spirit is at work in false religions (bolded) confirms your theological illiteracy.



4. The verse clearly condemns as ungodly and unjust those who detain the truth
They are condemned because the truth (of God) is manifest.
Manifest in creation itself ("...being understood by the things that are made...")
and so they are without excuse.

Therefore...

Atheists who claim ignorance of God for 'lack of evidence' are... (fill in the blank space).

5. Lies, lies, lies.







Truth, truth, truth.





The VII Church is opposed to converting people to Catholicism. Period.
Your feeble attempt to pretend otherwise confirms you as both ludicrous and base.

P.S. I condemn the VII Church as apostate.
You argue against me by citing VII documents. (without comparing them to earlier ones)
Purely by the rules of rational debate you are ...[fill in blank space].

And for giving the following such wide berth,

gaelllic:


We have seen 'mass' celebrated with Dorito chips.
We've seen a 'pope' bow his head to kiss the Koran.
We've seen statues of Buddha placed on the altar.
We've seen nuns dressed as pagan priestesses.
We've seen 'communion' given to notorious abortionists.
We've seen VII 'popes' deny Christ, in print and living colour.

let me add 'coward' to the list of your descriptors.

gaelllic:


And for giving the following such wide berth,



let me add 'coward' to the list of your descriptors.

take the insults easy, it isnt yet time to be throwing insults, 'coward' is an offensive word, not to be used in polite discuss.

gaelllic:


We have seen 'mass' celebrated with Dorito chips.

We've seen a 'pope' bow his head to kiss the Koran.

We've seen statues of Buddha placed on the altar.

We've seen nuns dressed as pagan priestesses.

We've seen 'communion' given to notorious abortionists.

We've seen VII 'popes' deny Christ, in print and living colour.

And you sit there peddling sophistry, making snide jokes, denying what even the blind know.

If anyone can read that list of abominations without recoiling

then I fear Satan has claimed such a one.

So u blame vat 2 for all the liturgical abuse ba?

nice thread.Helo to my fellow Catholics. November is a month for the faithful departed pls remember ur lost loved ones by booking masses for them.may d souls of all d faithful departed thru d mercy of God rest in peace.Amen

DarkRebel101:


Argg, I should have known you were a Catholic.
Your name is a frankenword of St. Francis Of Assisi and St. Anthony Of Padua.

Sometimes we've got to retrace our strides and marinate ourselves in the chicken soup a-bubble with the memories of yesteryears; sometimes we ought to stop in our tracks, and allow for the buffetings of nostalgia to drift us far into the deeps from which our lives took rise.

And it is for this reason that I decided to honour the e-mails I received earlier this week from childhood friends and acquaintances asking that I join them in the celebration of their Church's ‘Harvest’ today.

I feel ‘silly’ calling it ‘their’ Church, when but a couple of years ago I would have called it ‘my’ Church and feathered the statement with the jarring of tambourines, a King-Kong-beat-of-the-chest, and a Cheshire-cat-smile telling a melodramatic tale of complacency and pride...Not the arrogant pride that is deleterious to the soul, but the kind of pride one feels when he-she is blessed to be part of something he-she can confidently call a one big family. Indeed, life is an ephemeral dance with fading dancers, wherein the only thing that sustains are the drums.

The fading dancers in that metaphor are my fellow Altar Servers with whom I used to play footie behind the sacristy after every morning mass on Saturday, and with whom I used to follow to Padre's house after every Sunday to eat fried rice and chicken and to watch premiership matches; the fading dancers are those Marian Girls who gave me lustful yet harmless winks every time they saw me; the fading dancers are those aged parishioners who after hearing me belt out one or two memorized Catholic doctrines, would give me a pat on my back and say, “Mike, you would be a Reverend Father someday” -- a statement I always fobbed off with derisory smirks of cynicism.

The drum (The Church's building) remains intact and unsullied by the elements, but some of these dancers are no more -- some have crossed the bridge separating life and death, some have relocated, and as for some, I remain in the dark as regards how the hands of fate have chosen to treat them.

Tell me, of what use is the drum when the dancers are absent?

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I drive to the mainland with my lovely sister in a few hours, and with my sky of expectations emptied of all cloudlets of illusion that I would meet all the faces I left behind, or that the many changes wrought in my absence have not painted the face of my ‘first love’ out of recognition.
I travel there only because I sincerely miss home, and all its trappings, and warmth, and peace, and the communal bond I've been hardpressed to find in the many other Catholic churches I've been to.

Ah, I would even get to meet my childhood crush -- except this time around, I wouldn't take a backseat to the whims of timidity when the swelthering heat of her gaze sunbathes me with its nakëd splendour and allure.

Today promises to be a fistful of adventures, and to the unknown indigo of infinite outcomes have I surrendered the totality of my being. I have seen no handwriting on the wall, neither has my path been crossed by a black cat of forboding imponderables, so I'm taking that as an augury of how much fulfilment this day holds for me.

Dominus Vobiscum, and happy Sunday, my beloved-in-Christ.

Ubenedictus:
So u blame vat 2 for all the liturgical abuse ba?

Yes. And so should you.

The case is incontrovertible.