4kings:

Those questions are yet to be answered by any reasonable philosophical denomination.

Some have attempted and have provided meaningful answers to some of them not all.

4kings:

How do you know of this "Purpose" and how does one know his purpose?

The same way wildlife find their purpose within any given ecosystem.

Purpose is built into the nature of the being or creature by default.

Observe: Wasps pollinate plants and flowers as they feed on nectar. This is important in the context of that ecosystem.

Observe: The grass grows and is eaten by the herbivorous beast. The carnivorous beast keeps the herbivorous beast alert and fit and checks its population. The herbivorous beast fertilizes the ground again and helps the grass grow. This is a cycle. This is important in the context of that ecosystem.

These are just two little examples for contemplation. I could cite thousands others in nature. The flora and fauna exist and interact in a cycle of life which is both intricate and astonishing. In due course, cycles of creatures have to make way for fresh cycles and fresh species.

What I am pointing to here is that the purpose you are asking for is in-built already in the nature of each being/ creature. If you want to know the purpose of a creature: observe its capabilities and that which it does to its environment, both positive and negative.

Now that is in terms of deciphering the purpose of a specie.

If you want to know your own purpose, observe your own talents and capabilities in your human and natural environment and what effects they may have.

You will see your purpose as clear as day light.

DeepSight:


God sends everybody.

Every living being is an emanation of the Godhead.

And every being has purpose.

It is the purpose of some beings to help other beings understand spiritual truth.

There is nothing I have said that suggests any "supremacy" for Jesus. I don't believe in that at all.

But what about false teachings like the one so many heretics peddled in the early centuries . How can we say for sure that a teaching is true or false . Because like the guys on THAT thread , there are conspicuous incongruities when you compare their teachings - morals , reincarnation , death etc .

DeepSight:


The same way wildlife find their purpose within any given ecosystem.

Purpose is built into the nature of the being or creature by default.

Observe: Wasps pollinate plants and flowers as they feed on nectar. This is important in the context of that ecosystem.

Observe: The grass grows and is eaten by the herbivorous beast. The carnivorous beast keeps the herbivorous beast alert and fit and checks its population. The herbivorous beast fertilizes the ground again and helps the grass grow. This is a cycle. This is important in the context of that ecosystem.

These are just two little examples for contemplation. I could cite thousands others in nature. The flora and fauna exist and interact in a cycle of life which is both intricate and astonishing. In due course, cycles of creatures have to make way for fresh cycles and fresh species.

What I am pointing to here is that the purpose you are asking for is in-built already in the nature of each being/ creature. If you want to know the purpose of a creature: observe its capabilities and that which it does to its environment, both positive and negative.

Now that is in terms of deciphering the purpose of a specie.

If you want to know your own purpose, observe your own talents and capabilities in your human and natural environment and what effects they may have.

You will see your purpose as clear as day light.

What is God's purpose of creating the universe as a deist . I discovered a deist can believe in a personal God and that God can mete out punishments on someone in this life and in after life - do you have such beliefs too ?

Will life ever end ? What do you think God is trying to achieve with mankind ?

KingEbukasBlog:


What is God's purpose of creating the universe as a deist . I discovered a deist can believe in a personal God and that God can mete out punishments on someone in this life and in after life - do you have such beliefs too ?

Will life ever end ? What do you think God is trying to achieve with mankind ?

You ran away from the other thread you opened for him base he showed you verse in the bible that says Jesus is not the same as God . Now you are here asking him irrelevant questions after running from his questions on a thread you opened specifically for him. Funny guy you are.

dalaman:


You ran away from the other thread you opened for him base he showed you verse in the bible that says Jesus is not the same as God . Now you are here asking him irrelevant questions after running from his questions on a thread you opened specifically for him. Funny guy you are.

I don't run away from my threads . Even Jesus Christ spoke in The Old Testament . I have so many points to refute his claims . So calm down bro

KingEbukasBlog:

why does the trinity make no sense
And why have you not realised till now they the trinity makes no sense

jonbellion:
why does the trinity make no sense
And why have you not realised till now they the trinity makes no sense

Looks like the trinity is recondite knowledge

Excogitate on this

^^^ Are you familiar with the Council of Nicea and the Arian Heresy?

DeepSight:

^^^ Are you familiar with the Council of Nicea and the Arian Heresy?

Arianism ? Yeah . Some Christians peddle Arianism without knowing it .

KingEbukasBlog:


Arianism ? Yeah . Some Christians peddle Arianism without knowing it .

I didn't say anything about "peddling" Arianism?

I am talking about controversies around the formal acceptance of the doctrine of the Trinity by the Roman Curia.
Even the sitting Pope opposed the adoption of the doctrine if I recall correctly.

The Bible does not teach a triune God. It teaches one God. Christianity claims to be monotheistic but the doctrine of the Trinity makes a complete laugh of that.

Indeed efforts were made to smuggle the Trinity into the Bible. See 1 John 5:7 of the King James version. Check out the same verse in every other modern version and see for yourself that that which was smuggled into the KJV has since been smuggled out of newer versions because the discovery of older manuscripts shows that that verse was not there originally. The KJV rendition which imports the Trinity is not found in any Greek Manuscript before the 14th Century!

See:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5%3A7&version=KJV

And compare:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5:7-8

Is this alone not sufficient to show you two things:

1. That the bible is not inerrant and

2. That there has been much human manipulation of scripture to suit specific human interests?

The doctrine of the Trinity is nothing but another pagan teaching imported into scripture. Jesus was explicit that he was NOT God: he made this so abundantly clear that anyone who insists that he is God, is simply calling Jesus a liar then.

Unfortunately I have found that most Christians have a remarkable ability to dismiss their own scripture as false while imposing their own beliefs even against scripture.

Jesus said: Do not call me good, for only God is good. The Father is greater than I. I go to my father and your father, my God and your God.

Yet you say: Jesus is God. In short, you are right in this matter while Jesus is terribly wrong.

Perhaps you have a few things to teach Jesus?
Apparently you might know better than him.

Oh wait- This means apparently you might know better than God.
Interesting.

DeepSight:


I didn't say anything about "peddling" Arianism?

I am talking about controversies around the formal acceptance of the doctrine of the Trinity by the Roman Curia.
Even the sitting Pope opposed the adoption of the doctrine if I recall correctly.

The Bible does not teach a triune God. It teaches one God. Christianity claims to be monotheistic but the doctrine of the Trinity makes a complete laugh of that.

Indeed efforts were made to smuggle the Trinity into the Bible. See 1 John 5:7 of the King James version. Check out the same verse in every other modern version and see for yourself that that which was smuggled into the KJV has since been smuggled out of newer versions because the discovery of older manuscripts shows that that verse was not there originally. The KJV rendition which imports the Trinity is not found in any Greek Manuscript before the 14th Century!

See:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5%3A7&version=KJV

And compare:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5:7-8

Is this alone not sufficient to show you two things:

1. That the bible is not inerrant and

2. That there has been much human manipulation of scripture to suit specific human interests?

The doctrine of the Trinity is nothing but another pagan teaching imported into scripture. Jesus was explicit that he was NOT God: he made this so abundantly clear that anyone who insists that he is God, is simply calling Jesus a liar then.

Unfortunately I have found that most Christians have a remarkable ability to dismiss their own scripture as false while imposing their own beliefs even against scripture.

Jesus said: Do not call me good, for only God is good. The Father is greater than I. I go to my father and your father, my God and your God.

Yet you say: Jesus is God. In short, you are right in this matter while Jesus is terribly wrong.

Perhaps you have a few things to teach Jesus?
Apparently you might know better than him.

Oh wait- This means apparently you might know better than God.
Interesting.

Sir, remember when I said that Christ was like a demigod here on earth ? The Father is Greater Than I here means that Christ's nature as a human on earth - half man , half god - made The Father greater than He was . That means Christ's incarnation debilitated his divinity. In the bible , we can also see the Christ was even lower than the Angels while he was on Earth . Check this out :

Hebrews 2:9
9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.


Check this out too

Ephesians 1:19-21(New Testament)
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

And this (Old Testament)
Psalm 110:1
1 The Lord says to my lord:[a]
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”

So God's right hand means Christ and the Father are of equal position, honor, power and authority .

*** Yahweh is called the Father because Jesus is His son in human flesh in the sense that He is God made manifest in human flesh.

Look at this

John 1:1-2
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.

and verse 14
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Christ also spoke in the Old Testament

Isaiah 48:16
“I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”

Christ explicitly said that he was sent by the Father (the Lord God) and His spirit (The Holy Spirit) . And the Book of Isiah was written 700 years before the birth of Christ . Now sir , go back to John 1: 1-2 and verse 14 and see how connected these are . They are in harmony .

And see what Christ said here :
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.

Let's go farther than that

Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

now compare this three verses with [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1+%3A1-14&version=NIV]John 1: 1-14[/url]

I got videos for you explaining what the trinity is


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQkFlzFJ3kA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvj87QCF0lg


Yahweh , Yeshua , The Holy Spirit are equal and are One . It is God in three persons . One DeepSight existing as 3 DeepSights ..lol

They three play different roles but it does not mean one is greater than the other . So its more of misconstrued bible verses that instigated Arianism .

Please ask your questions . This is still open

Let's talk about God

DeepSight:


What I am pointing to here is that the purpose you are asking for is in-built already in the nature of each being/ creature. If you want to know the purpose of a creature: observe its capabilities and that which it does to its environment, both positive and negative.

Now that is in terms of deciphering the purpose of a specie.

If you want to know your own purpose, observe your own talents and capabilities in your human and natural environment and what effects they may have.

You will see your purpose as clear as day light.

Humans are more complicated than animals.
So let me get u clearly, did Adolph Hitler walk according to his purpose?

dalaman:


Some have attempted and have provided meaningful answers to some of them not all.

Is there any answer you know of that disputes the deist God?

4kings:

Is there any answer you know of that disputes the deist God?

I don't know of any deist answer to anything, apart from the aim that God created.

4kings:

Humans are more complicated than animals.

This, even where true, takes nothing away from the analogy set forth. And yes, it was an analogy, to help you see.

So let me get u clearly, did Adolph Hitler walk according to his purpose?

I don't see how knowing this answer would have anything to do with what I wrote. I am not Adolf Hitler and I don't know if he walked according to his purpose. I am neither his God, nor in his head. All I know know is that he sure did quite a lot of harm around him.

DeepSight:


This, even where true, takes nothing away from the analogy set forth. And yes, it was an analogy, to help you see.

I don't see how knowing this answer would have anything to do with what I wrote. I am not Adolf Hitler and I don't know if he walked according to his purpose. I am neither his God, nor in his head. All I know know is that he sure did quite a lot of harm around him.

touché

So you are implying that one can deviate from his Purpose(knowingly or unknowingly), therefore not acknowledging Predestination.
If so, then this purpose is human passion, which can be good, harmful, not known or out of delusion. Right?

dalaman:
I don't know of any deist answer to anything, apart from the aim that God created.

The claim that a being created this universe is purely rational, but the attributes of this being is not defined by deist(only opinions), because of the deist claim of non-interference(which is also rational).

I think the "answers" you have in mind might be evolution, simulation, cosmic ancestry and so on, but these are theories gotten from observations of the universe and has nothing to do with a creator. Or am i misunderstanding something?

4kings:

The claim that a being created this universe is purely rational, but the attributes of this being is not defined by deist(only opinions), because of the deist claim of non-interference(which is also rational).

I think the "answers" you have in mind might be evolution, simulation, cosmic ancestry and so on, but these are theories gotten from observations of the universe and has nothing to do with a creator. Or am i misunderstanding something?

Dalaman , I think you should be a deist .

KingEbukasBlog do u also believe Jehovah Witnesses are going to hell, why or why not.

i had an annoying christian argument with someone last week.

4kings:
KingEbukasBlog do u also believe Jehovah Witnesses are going to hell, why or why not.

i had an annoying christian argument with someone last week.

Well , I don't think they'll go to Hell . At least they believe Jesus Christ is mankind's redeemer and saviour . But they peddle Arianism which is that there is one God , Jehovah and Jesus is His first and perfect creation .

A prerequisite for making Heaven is your salvation - being saved . But they believe a precise number of humans - 144,000 - will reign with Christ Of course that's not true. But that belief I think won't preclude them from entering Heaven if they are saved . They are very good at evangelism and alleviating the indigence of the less privileged .

KingEbukasBlog:


Well , I don't think they'll go to Hell . At least they believe Jesus Christ is mankind's redeemer and saviour . But they peddle Arianism which is that there is one God , Jehovah and Jesus is His first and perfect creation .

A prerequisite for making Heaven is your salvation - being saved . But they believe a precise number of humans - 144,000 - will reign with Christ Of course that's not true. But that belief I think won't preclude them from entering Heaven if they are saved . They are very good at evangelism and alleviating the indigence of the less privileged .

Good point, i really was surprised, when a christian(also a service unit head) was arguing with me, that they would go to hell because they don't deify Jesus, making their salvation incomplete.

Anyways, from your point Muslims and christian Gnostic aren't going to hell. Muslims believe Jesus is coming to save the world from antichrist, but don't worship him because they think he is not God, but one created with an assignment, just like Jehovah's witness. Wrong?

Also, jehovah's witnesses are universalist, dont u think they would hate God if hell exist?

4kings:

Good point, i really was surprised, when a christian(also a service unit head) was arguing with me, that they would go to hell because they don't deify Jesus, making their salvation incomplete.

Here's what Christ said :

John 11:26
26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Its that belief in Him that matters .

4kings:
Anyways, from your point Muslims and christian Gnostic aren't going to hell. Muslims believe Jesus is coming to save the world from antichrist, but don't worship him because they think he is not God, but one created with an assignment, just like Jehovah's witness. Wrong?

God decides who goes to Heaven or not . Its wrong to pass judgement on people - judgement of the soul is God's prerogative .

4kings:
Also, jehovah's witnesses are universalist, dont u think they would hate God if hell exist?

I believe Hell exists and I don't hate God . So do you know think the JWs will be any different .

4kings:

touché

So you are implying that one can deviate from his Purpose(knowingly or unknowingly), therefore not acknowledging Predestination.
If so, then this purpose is human passion, which can be good, harmful, not known or out of delusion. Right?

The general purpose of human beings is known to human beings as a whole.
The specific purpose of each human being is writ within his heart and mind and rests between himself and his maker.

What is a delusion?

DeepSight:


The general purpose of human beings is known to human beings as a whole.
The specific purpose of each human being is writ within his heart and mind and rests between himself and his maker.

What is a delusion?

A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite evidence against it.
Atleast, the noticeable ones, are beliefs harmful to men or not aligning to societal beliefs, but most are not harmful. That's why there are psychiatric hospitals.

Now about purpose, People who suffer from delusion would also have the impression that the belief held was meant to be.
There are over 2000 religions(known or forgotten), i don't completely know your view of spirituaility, but i hope you would agree with me based on the explanations above that atleast some are deluded, due to different circumstances.

So from this; when in delusion the thoughts of the mind are obviously wrong.
So, what's your thought of "Purpose" for this affected ones.

KingEbukasBlog:


Here's what Christ said :

John 11:26
26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Its that belief in Him that matters .

God decides who goes to Heaven or not . Its wrong to pass judgement on people - judgement of the soul is God's prerogative .

Good point.

I believe Hell exists and I don't hate God . So do you know think the JWs will be any different .

I don't know, but to them that doesn't portray a God of LOVE

4kings:
KingEbukasBlog do u also believe Jehovah Witnesses are going to hell, why or why not.

i had an annoying christian argument with someone last week.

My friend has answered well, but the funny thing is that even the JWs don't believe that they are going to heaven.

Image123:


My friend has answered well, but the funny thing is that even the JWs don't believe that they are going to heaven.

Yayyyyy you are back, where have u been?

I know right, i think remember you were trying to clear up the confusion, though i'm not still convinced.

4kings:
Good point.



I don't know, but to them that doesn't portray a God of LOVE

God is a God of Justice .