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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by Nobody: 11:56am On Jan 04, 2017
abbeyty:
i can see some people are jumping up cuz a white man writes their story

He didn't say anything we didnt know before.

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by cuminside: 12:10pm On Jan 04, 2017
KINGwax007:
You would be safe in any Yoruba States. And if someone must kidnap you in a Yoruba state, it must be our eastern brothers or our fulanians... angry angry

Try the east in your next trip... I bet the directions your pen takes, would be different...

Nobody shld attack me o... I didn't mention name of tribes except Yoruba o

Dumb ass, we the Easterners want to leave your useless phony glorified Lagos by all means yet you people wail whenever Biafra is mentioned. You should be ashamed of yourself, If your useless Western region is so peaceful and sophisticated as you claim, why not be man enough to have your yoruba nation alone? I have not seen people as useless and worthless of you Afonjas my entire life. We are proud to stay on our own because we know what we can achieve within very short period of time, but yours is lack of confidence because of your lazy nature. Pathetic indeed
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by cuminside: 12:13pm On Jan 04, 2017
proeast:
Lagos is what it is, simply because the FG made it so out of stupidity of keeping everything there. Even if you put a dog as governor, Lagos will still continue to expand because a small area can not serve 180 million people without experiencing exponential growth. Lagos is the major reason afonjas keep shouting one Nigeria. They want the city to grow into the adjoining states with the contribution of other Nigerians. Smh.

Useless shameless non productive lazy asses leeching on others to survive. Lagos Lagos Lagos, yet they are afraid to stay on their own. Pathetic losers

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by sissoko22(m): 12:20pm On Jan 04, 2017
You disgust me with your lies which will not win you any medal at the end. Of the three state you mentioned from North east, only taraba has more Christian to Muslim.Your analysis show how little you no about the the religion demography of middle belt, saying Niger, Kogi and Nasarawa is 50:50 is just as stupid as you get. They are six state in middle belt or North Central if you like excluding Abuja and only two are predominantly Christians, I.e plataeu and benue, while Niger, Kogi, kwara and Nasarawa majorly Muslims. And for you to say they're not as much Muslim in the south as it's in the the north is another big fat lie. How do you explaine state like Ogun, Osun, Oyo and Lagos. You either need to read more, travel beyond your state or be less emotional towards religion.
zicoraads:

Show me the stats. You can't just pull a number out from the hat and expect me to agree. I'm from the north. And where am from(Taraba), our population as Christians outweigh Muslims. Most states in the North East have a very large Christian presence. Borno, Adamawa, Gombe. Now take the population of states in the North Central that are usually classified as Northern states. Benue, Nasarawa, Plateau, Niger, Kogi etc. Some of these states above, like Benue...Christians, Niger...evenly divided, Plateau...Christians, Nasarawa...Muslims with a good number of Christians, Kogi...evenly divided etc.

Down South, apart from a state like Edo, is there any state that has a large population of Muslims? So where did you get your 40 percent Muslims down South from?

I understand your point as regards the number of wives Muslims marry. And Yes, their population might be more than Christians. But except a census is conducted as to that regard, I will not accept any projection as word of truth.

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by HtwoOw: 12:20pm On Jan 04, 2017
vaca1:
chaii e pain am wella. abeg make una borrow me dat f^ctard meme quote for this kiddo


like a leper
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by sissoko22(m): 12:23pm On Jan 04, 2017
Corrinthians:
I have been to the north. My problem with your submission is using landmass as a basis for comparism.
Kano population alone is as big as three to four state in the south. #fact

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by Sunnynwa: 1:00pm On Jan 04, 2017
uzolexis:


that's what statistics says, muslims are more than christians in Nigeria.

Which statistics? Care to share?
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by felapikin(m): 1:15pm On Jan 04, 2017
EarlOfWarwick:
Nkea atogbugo ndi Ofe mmanu ..
dika eh!, otogbuo fa grin
EarlOfWarwick:
Nkea atogbugo ndi Ofe mmanu ..
dika eh!, otogbuo fa
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by AkinPhysicist: 1:59pm On Jan 04, 2017
cheesy
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by uchennamani(m): 2:01pm On Jan 04, 2017
Arrow24:
and the entire 70% are all Muslims??
majority are Muslims

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by mandarin: 2:11pm On Jan 04, 2017
sissoko22:
You disgust me with your lies which will not win you any medal at the end. Of the three state you mentioned from North east, only taraba has more Christian to Muslim.Your analysis show how little you no about the the religion demography of middle belt, saying Niger, Kogi and Nasarawa is 50:50 is just as stupid as you get. They are six state in middle belt or North Central if you like excluding Abuja and only two are predominantly Christians, I.e plataeu and benue, while Niger, Kogi, kwara and Nasarawa majorly Muslims. And for you to say they're not as much Muslim in the south as it's in the the north is another big fat lie. How do you explaine state like Ogun, Osun, Oyo and Lagos. You either need to read more, travel beyond your state or be less emotional towards religion.

@sisoko please enlighten me on the Muslim dominated middle belt , I want to know how much of Nigeria you know. To cannot say there are not Muslims than Christians in any southwest states, its like picking baptismal record for Catholics, many have seen walks away. Even in Kwara state Yoruba areas it will be debatable when you pull population together.
So you mean Muslims dominate Taraba and are overwhelming in Nasarawa? Then there's Kogi, only Ebira has more Muslims than Christians and the Igala are almost divided into two while Kogi Yoruba are Christians more. Please enlighten me

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by AbuHammaad: 2:26pm On Jan 04, 2017
mandarin:


Let me demystify your erroneous belief. The North isn't 80% Muslim. The only region in Nigeria that can boast of over 75% indigenous Muslim population is the Northwest, comprising Kano, katsina, sokoto, zamfara, kano, Jigawa, kebbi and kaduna. Southern kaduna is Christian dominated and atheists. There are also indigenous Christians in Kebbi and other states. Admittedly, that is the Muslim dominated part of Nigeria, you can give it 90% to 10%.

The Northeast, although, has majority Muslims but high percentage of Christians especially in Southern parts of Bauchi, Gombe, Borno, Adamawa and Yobe especially indigenous population. For your information, a whole lots of places where Boko Haram has been very active were Christian areas give rise to suspicion that it may be an approach of decimating Christians in that part of Nigeria. Ascribing percentages here is a bit difficult but in the states of Borno, Gombe, Bauchi, Yobe, Adamawa, indigenous Christians cannot be less than 30% while atheist like 5-10%

The middle Belt states of kwara, kogi, Benue, Taraba, Niger, Plateau, Nararawa are a mix of both religions of which when you pull the population together it may be like 55% Christians to 40% Muslims and 5% atheists.

Of course the southwest of Nigeria is known to all and among the indigenous Yoruba people where you have probably the highest Muslims converts into Christianity in the world, is the melting pot of three religion and the headquarters of pentecostal/ Evangelical Christianity in Africa. Among the Yoruba you can safely assume around 60% Christians, 35%Muslims and 5% exclusively atheists.

The South South and southeast are Christian and atheists dominated with less than 1% Muslims.

When you put these estimates together you can't say Nigeria is muslin dominated.I have transverse this country and can safely say all those population data brandied by NBS and NPC are not empirical, they are just applying growth rate on disputed figures!
Taken that Muslims in the northwest especially give birth to many children, that is not to mean that the population of the north can now be double of the south, its against all natural law of habitat.The man who commented on Lagos committed that error probably pulling his data out of some make belief data in circulation. You can safely say that Nigeria is about 54% Christians today.

Yoruba 60℅ Christian, 35℅ Muslim. You're very very funny cheesy grin
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by lawani: 3:09pm On Jan 04, 2017
mandarin:


Let me demystify your erroneous belief. The North isn't 80% Muslim. The only region in Nigeria that can boast of over 75% indigenous Muslim population is the Northwest, comprising Kano, katsina, sokoto, zamfara, kano, Jigawa, kebbi and kaduna. Southern kaduna is Christian dominated and atheists. There are also indigenous Christians in Kebbi and other states. Admittedly, that is the Muslim dominated part of Nigeria, you can give it 90% to 10%.

The Northeast, although, has majority Muslims but high percentage of Christians especially in Southern parts of Bauchi, Gombe, Borno, Adamawa and Yobe especially indigenous population. For your information, a whole lots of places where Boko Haram has been very active were Christian areas give rise to suspicion that it may be an approach of decimating Christians in that part of Nigeria. Ascribing percentages here is a bit difficult but in the states of Borno, Gombe, Bauchi, Yobe, Adamawa, indigenous Christians cannot be less than 30% while atheist like 5-10%

The middle Belt states of kwara, kogi, Benue, Taraba, Niger, Plateau, Nararawa are a mix of both religions of which when you pull the population together it may be like 55% Christians to 40% Muslims and 5% atheists.

Of course the southwest of Nigeria is known to all and among the indigenous Yoruba people where you have probably the highest Muslims converts into Christianity in the world, is the melting pot of three religion and the headquarters of pentecostal/ Evangelical Christianity in Africa. Among the Yoruba you can safely assume around 60% Christians, 35%Muslims and 5% exclusively atheists.

The South South and southeast are Christian and atheists dominated with less than 1% Muslims.

When you put these estimates together you can't say Nigeria is muslin dominated.I have transverse this country and can safely say all those population data brandied by NBS and NPC are not empirical, they are just applying growth rate on disputed figures!
Taken that Muslims in the northwest especially give birth to many children, that is not to mean that the population of the north can now be double of the south, its against all natural law of habitat.The man who commented on Lagos committed that error probably pulling his data out of some make belief data in circulation. You can safely say that Nigeria is about 54% Christians today.

Your submission is intelligent but atheists are insignificant in Nigeria. They are only on facebook. Aborishia, Maiguzuwa, Dibia etc are not atheists! I am Aborisha. Then let us just say there are equal Muslim and Christians among Yoruba, 85 percent Muslim in NW, let us say NC is equal too because Plateau Benue are 80 percent Christian, Kogi is equal, Kwara and Niger are 70 percent Muslim. So NC is like SW, NE maybe 65 percent Muslim. SE and SS are 90 percent Christian. And NW and SW have the highest population. SW is split while NW is close to 90 percent Muslim.

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by chrisviral(m): 3:20pm On Jan 04, 2017
oduastates:


They can learn from the tolerance of the yorubas .
Tell me which of the other top 10 ethnicities are tolerant

Eastern cities like Enugu and Aba house a large number of Hausa and fulanis and even Yorubas. Calabar, Uyo, Abuja, need I go on...
I carefully mentioned cities and not ethnicities like you requested because Lagos like this cities doesn't have just one ethnic group.

My point been, Even the visitor tolerates the host by living and doing business amongst them. It takes two different kind of people for there to be tolerance, otherwise the word wouldn't make any meaning now. Would it?

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by lozanni(m): 3:25pm On Jan 04, 2017
divicoded:

Akpu eating flatron don vex grin grin grin grin grin
Na your Amala guzzling brother accent dey make me laugh. I no mention anything about conehead ohh.
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by uzolexis(f): 3:45pm On Jan 04, 2017
Sunnynwa:


Which statistics? Care to share?

I already did, check the thread.
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by deomelo: 4:40pm On Jan 04, 2017
chrisviral:


You just contradicted the whole "tolerance" the writer was inspired by, by singling out and again pointing out your ethnicity. The writer talked about Lagos as a city housing not one kind but all kinds of Nigerians. One would think living in the U.K would make you smarter but oh well.



Please read a book!


It is true that Lagos is a so-called Yoruba land. One can still argue that it's population might be largely made up of people from other ethnicities. Anyho, the whole idea of the piece is that, the west can learn one or two about tolerance from Lagos. Appreciate the piece for what it is and keep your "Yoruba better ethnic" bigotry self about of it.

Come at me if you wish!


Great piece.
Makes me a proud Nigerian. I'll definitely share this piece.


The contradiction is on your part.

You and the parson you quoted are saying the same thing especially since you admitted that Lagos is Yorubaland so no need to separate Lagos from the same Yorubaland just to prove a contradictory point.

The article largely narrated and opined about religious tolerance in Lagos and surrounding areas which is the SW and households with mixed religious practices existing peacefully and even politicians marrying outside their religion.

Regardless the mixture of locals nd outsiders in Lagos state, people from other places take on the culture and way of life of their host communities hence the saying When in Rome, do as the Romans do. You see the same level of religious and other forms of tolerance in other places all over the SW and outsiders are present in other parts of the SW.

People moved and are moving to Lagos and other parts of the SW because of the same tolerance that suppresses frictions, religious animosity, anger, and clashes.

In Nigeria's violent religious politics, the Yoruba offer a unique glimpse of tolerance


NIGERIA is often in the headlines because of religious conflicts that have cost thousands their lives and displaced many more. But the divisions aren’t always simple and clean-cut – sometimes you may find remarkable tolerance, even within the same family, particularly among the Yoruba: testament to their long history as traders that may have exposed them to varying ideas and experiences.

One commonly cited case is that of Lagos governor Babatunde Fashola, who is a Muslim while his wife is Christian – but by far he isn’t the only case; religious intermarrying is common in south-western Nigeria.


Take for example the Koiki family in Lagos, with eight brothers and sisters, spread over six belief systems and religion is rarely a point of controversy, they say.

“It does not matter to us how and where you pray. The important thing is that you believe in God which will give you support in life”, says Iyabo, a member of the family, while preparing snacks with one of her sisters in a house in Lagos, for a celebration commemorating of the fifth year of the passing of the father of the family.




http://mgafrica.com/article/2014-10-21-in-nigerias-violent-religious-politics-the-yoruba-offer-a-unique-glimpse-of-tolerance



You need to read many books in print about Yoruba pluralism and Religious tolerance, they even a case study and point of reference in many academic institutions and publications.

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by sissoko22(m): 4:43pm On Jan 04, 2017
You were eager to reply me without reading extensively, I never said they're more Muslim in Taraba state to xtianity. I was very clear with my comment how plataeu and benue state are predominantly Christian, maybe 70-75%. As for kwara and Niger state it's visible to the blind(approx.80-85%). Coming to Kogi State, your assertion of of the Ebira people is mostly correct as its hard to see an Ebira xtian, almost no nothing about Kogi Yoruba's. I don't know how much you no of igala people, but can authoritative says that they are more Muslims than xtian in this part of Kogi State, Its a fact that every local govt or community with lesser or equal Muslim population tend to have traditional believe and xtianity in equal proportion, the most populous local govt like Ankpa(92%)and Idah(75%) have that %compare to xtian. Traditional believe is still a big deal in igalaland. As for SW you know the truth. #cheers
mandarin:


@sisoko please enlighten me on the Muslim dominated middle belt , I want to know how much of Nigeria you know. To cannot say there are not Muslims than Christians in any southwest states, its like picking baptismal record for Catholics, many have seen walks away. Even in Kwara state Yoruba areas it will be debatable when you pull population together.
So you mean Muslims dominate Taraba and are overwhelming in Nasarawa? Then there's Kogi, only Ebira has more Muslims than Christians and the Igala are almost divided into two while Kogi Yoruba are Christians more. Please enlighten me
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by zicoraads: 4:55pm On Jan 04, 2017
Sissoko22, I hardly ever get insultive with anyone. So please next time, make your own submission without the insults. And if you must insult, do not quote me. Thanks.
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by Nobody: 4:59pm On Jan 04, 2017
Sunnynwa:
...and who told him Muslim make up 50% of the population and Christians 40%?

Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by deomelo: 5:10pm On Jan 04, 2017
proeast:
Lagos is what it is, simply because the FG made it so out of stupidity of keeping everything there. Even if you put a dog as governor, Lagos will still continue to expand because a small area can not serve 180 million people without experiencing exponential growth. Lagos is the major reason afonjas keep shouting one Nigeria. They want the city to grow into the adjoining states with the contribution of other Nigerians. Smh.



Lagos was already developed even before the existence of Nigeria as a country in 1960 and the FG moved the capital to Lagos because it was already developed and not the other way around.

Even Lagos as the federal capital was confined to Lagos Island.

Lagos has nothing to do with one Nigeria, politicians and leaders from the SE created one Nigeria and still want one Nigeria.

Zik wanted one Nigeria so he teamed up with the North to obtain one Nigeria

Aguiyi-Ironsi cemented one Nigeria system with decree 34. We had 3 different regions and regional autonomy before, but your brother from the SE abolished that system and joined us all together as one Nigeria with his decree 34.

Many of you are too young and don't know anything about Nigeria or how we arrived at this point, but what you don't like about Nigeria today was created by your leaders from the SE because they created One Nigeria.

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by Sunnynwa: 6:11pm On Jan 04, 2017
[quote author=lovelygurl post=52528902][/quote] If u were to make such an assertion in ur thesis, is this the link you'll use to defend it?
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by Emjay1310(m): 6:46pm On Jan 04, 2017
uzolexis:






I am actually surprised pple are doubting this statistic cause it has been available since God knows when, Muslims are more than Christians in Nigeria.
Just think about it, the North is over about 80% muslim and remember they marry numerous wives and give birth to a lot of children (most of them not all) and then the south is about 30-40% muslim as well, so yes, muslims are more than christians in Nigeria.
I should be more surprised by ur own statistical report. Define north for me lemme see.
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by Emjay1310(m): 6:49pm On Jan 04, 2017
zicoraads:

I'm also concerned about that percentage thingy as clearly highlighted in my post above yours. I'm also wondering if it was the last census that revealed such. Seeing how this is the first time I'm reading anything on such.
Just help me ask them o. Just because most Christians don't bother about voting doesn't mean they are not populated
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by laudate: 9:12pm On Jan 04, 2017
tbaba1234:
Nigeria Could Teach the West a Few Things
128JAN 3, 2017 10:00 AM EST By Tyler Cowen


.... In Nigeria, nationalism is largely a progressive force, bringing the country together and allowing nation-building and infrastructure development. However imperfect or backward these processes might be -- Nigeria has at least 270 distinct ethnic groups and 370 languages -- in Nigeria one is rooting for nationalism to succeed. And it’s in Lagos, the country’s largest and most important window to the outside world, where the understanding of the importance of a common and stable national identity has made such progress.

Many Westerners used to consider much of Africa backward in this regard, but we Westerners are learning again that national cohesion isn’t always so easy. Perhaps the political spectrum in many Western countries can realign itself in a direction analogous to some features of Nigeria, to ally liberalism and nationalism once again. http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-03/nigeria-could-teach-the-west-a-few-things

Make una come hear, o! shocked : Oyinbo man don confirm one thing for una say "Nigeria has at least 270 distinct ethnic groups and 370 languages...". All those IPOB-ians wey dey scream 'Afonja up and down, anytime one person make post wey no support their ideology, make una take time, o! angry And all those Yoruba people wey dey shout 'Igbo', anytime person waka pass, make una know say different tribes full ground for Lagos, o! Ehen, I don talk my own! sad
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by laudate: 9:14pm On Jan 04, 2017
deomelo:
Lagos was already developed even before the existence of Nigeria as a country in 1960 and the FG moved the capital to Lagos because it was already developed and not the other way around.

Even Lagos as the federal capital was confined to Lagos Island.

Lagos has nothing to do with one Nigeria, politicians and leaders from the SE created one Nigeria and still want one Nigeria.

Zik wanted one Nigeria so he teamed up with the North to obtain one Nigeria

Aguiyi-Ironsi cemented one Nigeria system with decree 34. We had 3 different regions and regional autonomy before, but your brother from the SE abolished that system and joined us all together as one Nigeria with his decree 34.

Many of you are too young and don't know anything about Nigeria or how we arrived at this point, but what you don't like about Nigeria today was created by your leaders from the SE because they created One Nigeria.

True!! That decree 34 was the Unification Decree - Aguiyi Ironsi's biggest mistake!

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by laudate: 9:23pm On Jan 04, 2017
emi14:
Congratulations . Use those virtues and values of Yoruba to establish an independent state of odudua. If in realities you're comfortable why haven't you push for independence and quench the conterminous nature of Biafra and Arewa or is that premature or fear of unknown? You have succeeded in tribalizing the sound mindedness and intentions of the OP.

Why should the Yoruba push for independence? Did they tell you they are not ok being in Nigeria? Haba! Leave them to decide their fate on their own, biko. It is strictly their business, and no group should dictate to them whether to push for independence or not. Chikena! undecided

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by laudate: 9:29pm On Jan 04, 2017
cuminside:
Dumb ass, we the Easterners want to leave your useless phony glorified Lagos by all means yet you people wail whenever Biafra is mentioned. You should be ashamed of yourself, If your useless Western region is so peaceful and sophisticated as you claim, why not be man enough to have your yoruba nation alone? I have not seen people as useless and worthless of you Afonjas my entire life. We are proud to stay on our own because we know what we can achieve within very short period of time, but yours is lack of confidence because of your lazy nature. Pathetic indeed

I don talk am!! shocked Dem don start.... the e-warriors have arrived with the sabre-rattling keyboards. I don spread my mat for dis corner, with my zobo, kunu, groundnut and popcorn. Na me go do referee work for here, today! Oya, round one! Let the e-battles, begin!! cheesy

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Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by Origin(f): 10:23pm On Jan 04, 2017
Do I blame the misconception and misperceptions.


Nairaland will push all bad news to front page. Expats probably think our population is 50%snakes 50%humans.

Yahoo news is the worst and only reports on BH.


All these things affect tourism, the way Nigerians are treated abroad and people's perception of the Naija environment.
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by sissoko22(m): 6:53am On Jan 05, 2017
Where or how did I insulted you. You've no authority asking me not quote you or any other nlder.
zicoraads:
Sissoko22, I hardly ever get insultive with anyone. So please next time, make your own submission without the insults. And if you must insult, do not quote me. Thanks.
Re: Nigeria Could Teach The West A Few Things - Bloomberg by Gerrard59(m): 10:03am On Jan 05, 2017
Unfortunately, Lagos nor Nigeria has absolutely nothing to offer the West or the world. Is it the wanton corruption? I have not seen light for six hours straight today. I use generators daily to power everything, yet I pay taxes monthly both federal and state, pay bills, obey the laws even though it's a lawless place.

Instead of Nigeria teaching the world anything, Nigeria should learn from the world. Even simple town planning rules, we don't follow.

Furthermore, the author didn't talk about the IPOB and Biafra secession issue in the east, killings by herdsmen in Kaduna/Benue/Plateau. No doubt, Lagos has some semblance of cohesiveness, but Lagos isn't Nigeria. Lagos is dangerous depending on where you visit. Victoria Island, Lekki, Ikoyi and parts of Ikeja are safe by Nigerian standards but not Mushin (touts aka Agberos hold sway there), Lagos Island, Bariga.

The truth is: Nigeria has a long way to go. Considering that she and South Korea were at similar stage of development, it's pathetic.

Our case no be here. E don tey.

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