nemesis2u:


depends on how they r used by the airforce

see my explanation above.

but in the end everybody has his/her way of looking at things so no sweat

its like both of us eyeing the same girl

u r like i will bamboozle the girl with sweet talk

i am like all for direct action from the word go..... ( thanks to my unofficial self bestowed PHD in kamasutra )

but in the end it depends on the girl as much as a aircraft's potency depends on the pilot and his tactics

The girl's name is Doctrine.

MikeCZA:
The girl's name is Doctrine.

ABISR QR-SAM version of barak 8

Range 35 km, altitude 10 km. Its basically lighter version of Barak-8 (Barak LR) with 70 km range. The size (4.5 m x 227 mm) of the missile is same as Barak-8, it uses same seeker and warhead (23 kg) but uses single impulse motor instead of dual impulse motor and is lighter (255 kg instead of 280 kg).

It also uses same 8 cell launcher and all other elements of Barak-8 system. But it can also use lighter and cheaper ELM-2106 radar, while Barak LR needs either MF-STAR (naval version) or ELM-2084 (ground version) radars.

The development of Barak ABISR is complete. It made 8 test launches in march 2016 in Israel with Indian representatives. Its was designed for Indian QR-SAM program.

the KALYANI variant of the DRDO ATAGS uses the autoloader from their own BHARAT 52 155MM 52 caliber artillery gun

pic 1 KALYANI BHARAT 52 155MM 52 caliber artillery gun

pic 2 the KALYANI variant of the DRDO ATAGS can be seen in the back with the distinct autoloader

pic 1 TATA variant of DRDO ATAGS undergoing test fire

pic 2 TATA variant of DRDO ATAGS in stowed configuration

pic 3 TATA variant of DRDO ATAGS the one on the right side

Indian Army’s artillery 155-millimetre guns in the pipeline / already ordered

1.1,580 number of towed artillery guns

2.114 Dhanush 155mm 45 caliber guns already ordered , to be increased to 400 later on.

3.145 number of M777 Ultralight howitzers from BAE Systems

4.814 number of Mounted Gun Systems (MGS)

5.100 number of K-9 Tracked Self Propelled (SP) guns already ordered to be increased to 300-400 later on

6.180 number of Wheeled Self Propelled (SP) guns to be increased to 400+ later on

KALYANI already working on a 155mm 39 caliber Ultralight howitzer which is lighter than M777 howitzers , these will be ordered once development and user trials r complete. around 500-600 of these will be ordered to complement the 145 M777 already ordered.

pic 1 KALYANI 155mm 39 caliber Ultralight howitzer (under development), it will be easily carried by suitable helicopters

pic 2 KALYANI GARUDA-105 it is highly portable and light weight 105mm gun , here it is shown mounted on a light truck.

pic 3 KALYANI variant of DRDO ATAGS gun, the one of the left side.

first photo of the project-11184 ocean surveillance ship (OSS) being floated out .

it is India's first ocean surveillance ship and is being currently being outfitted at the Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL), Visakhapatnam, the Ocean Surveillance Ship (P-11184) is a classified project, monitored directly by the Prime Minister’s Office.

the cover story for this ocean surveillance ship (OSS) is that it will be a vessel for DRDO to track ballistic missiles and for long range surveillance of missiles, while the Navy will operate it. aka "missile range instrumentation ship".

it has a length of 175 mt, a beam of 22 mt, a depth of 6 mt and displacement of 10,000 tons. It has a helicopter deck and hangar with a planned complement of 300 men. Powered by two 9,000 kw engines,its maximum velocity would be 21 knots.

most of its capabilities and roles are classified.

ocean surveillance ships (OSS) like that of the American ones, are used for snooping
1.underwater (hydrographic studies , mapping etc)
2.above water (SIGNIT , tracking airborne objects within atmosphere and in space etc)

example of ocean surveillance ship Norway MARJATA

nemesis2u:


first let me clarify u on the issue of operational availability of combat fleet, peacetime combat aircraft fleet availability/serviceability is always kept at 60%. No air force in the world has more than 60% combat aircraft fleet availability/serviceability during peacetime .it is not sustainable above 60% due to monetary issues , maintenance issues and manpower issues. only during wartime the operational availability of combat fleet is jacked up above 60 % to any where near 90% or so. and also this is why countries maintain wartime reserves at spares depots which are fully stockpiled and never used except for emergencies.

SU30MKI and RAFALE r meant to used for different roles and purposes in the IAF. in fact they will complement each other most of the times.

SU30MKI is a air superiority fighter mean for sanitization and control of enemy airspace , before rest of the other types of aircraft's begin their operations .the Su-30MKI in the IAF was meant from the outset to cruise at far higher altitudes than other combat aircraft and thus it was nicknamed BAAZ, meaning a Falcon swooping down upon its prey. most of the times a Su-30MKI will always be cruising at least 10,000 feet/15,000 feet above its opponents like the F-16, J10 etc and that's because the Su-30MKI's RLSU-30MK/NO-11M 'Bars' PESA-MMR & OEPS-30 IRST sensor both function at their very best when operating in the look-down mode. In addition a R-77 BVRAAM or R-73E WVRAAM when fired from a higher altitude against targets below will possess higher kinematic performance as well as greater engagement ranges.


another less know fact is that the Su-30MKI’s or any of the SU family aircraft's air-frame has never being certified for undertaking terrain-hugging flight profiles , nor is its radar capable of supporting terrain-hugging flights.


RAFALE is a swing role aircraft and for IAF service it is customized to act in the role of delivering nuclear payloads against a more capable adversary. secondary role is that of a deep penetration aircraft which will use terrain hugging profile to penetrate enemy defenses in order to carry out high risk missions.

the subject is too vast to discuss , analogy is like that of a family where the husband and wife complement each other with varying degree depending of the corresponding varying situation.

IMPORTANT : what i have discussed here is only the tip of the iceberg, there is lot more to it

simply for the layman SU30MKI will be used as MACHETE to hack and slash through the bush through sheer brute force, while the RAFALE will be used as a COMBAT KNIFE using the gaps in the bush to target the offending roots though ruthless efficiency and proficiency .

serviceability of SU30MKI is now nearing to 75 % , India follows the western model of training so it needs to have the birds flying more than the usual peacetime flight hours plus it suffers for shortage of combat aircraft's. in fact the flight hours per pilot of the IAF is among the top 5-6 countries, fun fact Russia is behind India in this .

serviceability of SU30MKI was bad due to bad business practices ( spares/services ) of the Russian aerospace companies unlike western companies who maintain a robust global supply chain to provide spares/services on demand anywhere and anytime .
also Western MRO practices never call for the prime contractor to assume product liability for engines, accessories, instrumentation & avionics. OEMs for such hardware are held directly liable which is much simpler and effective.
In the Russian MRO services provision system, however, there has always been a single point-of-contact, which now is Rosoboronexport State Corp.therefore one cannot bypass Rosoboronexport & directly contact UMPO, UFA, UOMZ, NPO Saturn or IRKUT Corp etc.
(note : a combat aircraft is basically a Frankenstein with parts/components sourced from multiple OEMs, where the designer of the combat aircraft is the primary contractor)

another factor is the stupid Indian bureaucracy and political apathy of the previous governments.

also the rafale order will increase from the current 36, this is the initial order. another 100-200 rafales is sure , if one is to follow the pattern of Indian arms acquisition.

initial SU30MKI order was for 12 units or so, now it is 312-314 (ordered, delivery continuing) , next phase is the SUPER SU30MKI UPGRADE which will incorporate PAKFA / SU35 technologies , R & D and talks r in progress with the Russians.

i wonder about other countries who operate the SU family , why they never publish their operational availability or their spare situation.

fun fact TYPHOON operational availability is close to 45 % according to news reports , don't know personally .

The detailed insight I've come to expect from you! Thanks!
What role will the AMCA play?



Btw,does the DRDO have any arty radars under development? SAAB has a giant ARTHUR on the market for 60mn$ a pop IIRC.

The MG 3 is a really interesting bit of kit!



Its 1200 rpm gives it the highest ROF of any lmg or gpmg today. It used to create logistical issues for the Germans in WW2 but its ROF is ideal for its purpose which is to suppress the enemy by weight of fire. If it were up to me every section would have one and a HK 21 as SAW. Both are 7.62 NATO,obviously!!


Frumentius,61stmech,patches and nemesis2u what say ye?

kikuyu1:


The detailed insight I've come to expect from you! Thanks!
What role will the AMCA play?

no problem, it is always a pleasure
according to my religion/custom/tradition "knowledge is always gained by giving"

AMCA is a twin engined 5th gen medium category combat aircraft , it will replace the MIG 27 , JAGUARS etc.It is designed to be a 25-tonne class aircraft. It will have a range of 2,800 km.

AMCA will be a multi-mission, Swing role Medium class fighter aircraft which will have Internal two door Weapons bay in a side by side configuration. AMCA will have trapezoidal wings, all-moving horizontal tails and twin canted vertical tails.

Among other advanced technologies that confer stealth capabilities in the aircraft will be Serpentine air intakes, Radar Absorbing Structure (RAS), Radar Absorbing materials (RAM), Frequency selective surface (FCS) radome and conformal air data probes .

AMCA also will be getting next generation avionics suite which includes IMA (Integrated Modular Architecture) supporting net-centric capabilities, AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar and IRST (InfraRed Search and Track) systems , all round Missile Approach Warning System ( MAWS ), Touch based display systems and smart Heads up display ( HUD) , Advanced pilot vehicle interference (PVI), Pilot associate and integrated vehicle health management (IVHM) with Integrated flight and propulsion control systems.

In Stealth Configuration, AMCA will feature SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defense) roles, along with Precision strikes and maritime missions. In Non-Stealth Configuration, AMCA will be able to carry payloads on External hardpoints which will include two drop tanks to carry out other missions where Stealth will not be a priority.

Brochure confirms that AMCA will have thrust vectoring functions in engines which will provide high Angle of attack (AOA) for close combat operations including dogfights.

its basic design has been frozen , now R & D etc is going on the various technologies that is been envisaged to be included in the AMCA.

eg. FLY BY OPTICS , this is a new flight control system where light is sent through optical fibers and used to control the actuators that move the flight / control surfaces.

the advantages r many , first it is immune to EMP unlike the previous FLY BY WIRE and even older ELECTRICAL/HYDRAULIC control systems. response and redundancy is much high . latency is also very low.

problem is , it is very technology intensive and only japan has managed to operationalize it . Indian teams r in japan to study it.

but technological challenges are many like stealth management , signal emission management , data fusion etc etc.

however the plus point is that during the LCA development more than 100 + labs and testing centers were set up with the required trained manpower (one main reason why LCA program was late) , so with the AMCA the development will be smooth and well within the required timeframe.

AMCA will take around 10 years to come online, provided the funding is on time together with government support.

aeroindia 2017 is going to happen very soon , then we will have more details

kikuyu1:
The MG 3 is a really interesting bit of kit!



Its 1200 rpm gives it the highest ROF of any lmg or gpmg today. It used to create logistical issues for the Germans in WW2 but its ROF is ideal for its purpose which is to suppress the enemy by weight of fire. If it were up to me every section would have one and a HK 21 as SAW. Both are 7.62 NATO,obviously!!

Frumentius,61stmech,patches and nemesis2u what say ye?

well u better have lot of spare barrels when u decide to go all Rambo with the MG 3

this is one of its most glaring disadvantages IMO, but the other fellows will know best , my knowledge is limited here.

i barely know much about personnel/individual level guns/weapons, my expertise for personal/individual level weapons is in unconventional weapons

kikuyu1:


Btw,does the DRDO have any arty radars under development? SAAB has a giant ARTHUR on the market for 60mn$ a pop IIRC.

DRDO has developed the BEL Weapon Locating Radar (WLR) also known as SWATHI, Indian army had earlier bought the American AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder radar on a emergency basis but it was found to be not suitable . so the BEL WLR was developed.

The BEL WLR (SWATHI) is designed to detect and track incoming artillery rounds, mortar and rockets and locate their launchers. In its secondary role, it can also track and observe the fall of shot from friendly guns and provide fire corrections to counter-battery fire.

The detection range for large caliber artillery rounds is up to 30 km, and increases to 40 km for unguided rockets. The robust design of the radar array and algorithms allows the WLR to effectively operate even in a high density fire environment, in severe clutter and interference (jamming) conditions. Up to 7 targets can be tracked simultaneously. The radar can track rounds fired at both low and high angles, and at all aspect angles - from behind or towards the radar, or at an oblique angle to the array. The WLR features adaptive radar resource scheduling to increase efficiency and reliability.

At a given position, the radar can scan for targets in one quadrant, encompassing a 90° sector. The array can electronically scan up to +/-45° from its mean bearing. Additionally, for 360° coverage from a given position, the whole array can be rotated by 135° on either side within 30 seconds to quickly change the scanning sector in response to threats.

Upon detecting an incoming round, the automatically acquires and classifies the threat and initiates a track sequence, while continuing to search for new targets. The incoming round's trajectory is tracked, and a computer program analyses the track data and then extrapolates the round's point of origin. This calculated point of origin is then reported to the radar operator, thus allowing friendly artillery to direct counter-battery fire towards the enemy artillery.

The WLR also allows for remote operation, and data-linking for better situational awareness at higher echelons of the command hierarchy. The data can be automatically transmitted to a command center, and can communicate with higher echelons. The radar data can also be displayed on a remote screen to protect operators from any targeted attacks on the radar. The operators can also remotely change the scanning sector. Many radars can be networked together to work in tandem and increase the accuracy and provide more information.

further longer range versions are being planned.

Indian army has ordered 40 SWATHI WLR

The final project cost of developing the SWATHI WLR was only $49 million USD thats too low, so its unit cost will also be low.

project-11184 ocean surveillance ship

There won’t be a public commissioning ceremony or any fanfare for the cameras. Not the sort that usually accompanies the entry into service of a frontline warship. In fact, much like India’s first nuclear ballistic missile submarine INS Arihant, known all its life simply by its euphemistic project title Advanced Technology Vessel, this new ship will likely slip into service in silence. Revealed first over two years ago here on Livefist, the secretive vessel, known only by its mysterious yard designation at Visakhapatnam, VC 11184, will be India’s most advanced electronics and tracking/surveillance vessel — a missile range instrumentation ship.

And it will be the first ship to be a dedicated element in Phase-2 of India’s ballistic missile defence (BMD) setup and also be deployed for duties to support India’s strategic weapons programme. The build programme is being monitored directly by the Prime Minister’s Office in Delhi.

Livefist can confirm that VC 11184 is currently in a phase of systems trials and will be handed over to the Indian Navy after sea trials in the summer. The vessel will have on board a specialised team from the National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO) — India’s principal technical intelligence bureau, which reports directly to the National Security Advisor’s office at the PMO.

The ship will be primarily tasked with missile tracking using two sensors, possibly an X-Band AESA primary radar and an S-Band AESA secondary radar, ranging and electronic intelligence (ELINT) gathering, making it the first ship of its kind to join Indian service. Only four other countries — the US, Russia, China and France — operate similar vessels.

India’s state-owned Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL), a dying institution, was handed the roughly $1 billion contract (Rs 725 crore) on 25 Feb 2013 — likely a strategic move, given that HSL has been well out of India’s industrial spotlight for years, a status that was perhaps conducive to building such a ship in relative secrecy. Originally to have been delivered by August 2015, the build has been delayed for a variety of familiar reasons:logistical, delays in procurement of on-board equipment, propulsion systems and sensors etc. The Indian Navy is not authorised to speak on record about the vessel.

Very little is known about the vessel beyond what your correspondent reported here in 2014. What we do know is that the VC 11184 won’t be a small ship — at 175 metres, it will be among the largest ships in service under the aircraft carriers, roughly as long as the amphibious landing ship INS Jalashwa and Deepak-class fleet replenishment tankers.

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/01/revealed-indian-navys-next-advanced-technology-vessel.html

soft kill systems on arjun tank , except for the laser warning system rest was substituted by indigenous replacements

Hydrema mine clearing machine

nemesis2u has the future infantry carrier vehicle been shelved for good?

Odunayaw:
nemesis2u has the future infantry carrier vehicle been shelved for good?

lolzzz no , its alive and kicking except for some hiccups

The Union defence ministry has fast-tracked the long-pending mega 'Make in India' project to produce at least 2,610 future infantry combat vehicles (FICVs) for the Army at an estimated cost of about 15 billion dollars .

The FICV is meant to be a high mobility armoured battle vehicle. It needs to be compact, tracked and amphibious, and no heavier than 18-20 tonnes, so that it can be air-portable and transportable by other means, to combat zones. The vehicle must fire anti-tank guided missiles, to ranges beyond four kilometres, and have the capability to carry a crew of three and eight combat-kitted infantrymen etc etc.

There r 5 contenders OFB, L&T, Mahindra, Pipavav Defence & Offshore Engineering and two consortiums of Tata Motors-Bharat Forge and Tata Power SED-Titagarh Wagons along with their relevant foreign partners for consultancy etc.

Nemesis2u, i did a quick google search, is this the vehicle you're referring to?

SARYU class OPV

1st pic naval dhruv helicopter

2nd pic : Check out the size of that helipad versus the helicopter.

jakeporeshenko:
Nemesis2u, i did a quick google search, is this the vehicle you're referring to?

no , that is the kestrel Wheeled Armored Amphibious Platform , it has nothing to do with the FICV program which involves tracked vehicles only ,kestrel was designed by TATA and VRDE to cater mainly for COIN operations and maybe rear guard duties .

FICV program is still in the concept stage , 2 contenders will be selected from the 5 competitors based on their designs etc and they will build prototypes which will compete with each other .lastly the winner will get the contract to build the final FICV.

kestrel is more like a wheeled armored personnel carrier (APC) with more than capable weapons addons. the design is modular , almost any turret can be installed.

pic 1 shows the kestrel fitted with Kongsberg Protector MCT-30R(RWS) fitted with 30mm autocannon , 7.62mm coaxial machine gun , a heavy 12.7mm machine gun or a 40mm automatic grenade launcher and 2 ATGMs (javelin here) [more costly]

pic 2 shows the kestrel fitted with BMP 2 turret 30mm autocannon 1 ATGM and a 7.62mm machine gun [cheaper]

preliminary concept design from Tata Motors-Bharat Forge consortium for FICV competition

@jakeporeshenko @Odunayaw

another preliminary concept design from Tata Power SED-Titagarh Wagons consortium for FICV competition

chances r high that Tata Power SED will be using the NEXTER T40 turret featuring the 40mm cased telescopic armament system (CTAS)

@jakeporeshenko @Odunayaw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95gPKhTcXMc

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@giles14

something i should share with u , that for more 10 years India was operating Russian S300 SAMs , and now since India has signed for S400+ i see no harm to reveal this . add to this TU22 bombers around 6 of them were being operated by the armed forces.

funny thing is very very few people in India know this .

pic 1 and 2 IAF upgraded mi35, some have been donated to Afghanistan

2.75-inch rockets for Rudra, LCH & LUH

BMD4

Futuristic Warship Designs from Russia

nemesis2u:
2.75-inch rockets for Rudra, LCH & LUH

Thales fin folfing rockets.

The FZ275LGR is still in development.

turkish tanks