Empiree:
the brothers simply got definition of PROTEST wrong. Protest in itself has nothing to do with disobeying leaders. Attached is definition.


Nigerian people feel disappointed by current economy situation and they decide to be heard. That's not disobeying leader. That's protest.

Protest is not all about displaying placard.It is just one of the many. There are other means


Now here is hadith that teaches us to do something when it is wrong



On the authority of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudree (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.” [Muslim]


This is an important hadith because it shows that Muslims should not be innocent bystanders – we are obliged to do something to stop wrongdoing. It also outlines to us the order in which we must do something. Also, Nigerians are under economy repression. In that case, Quran wants your voice to be heard. It says to speak out, PROTEST.

But ahadith you brothers are quoting emphasized on "disobeying leaders". Protest is contrary to this. Dont mix it up

Empiree:
[s]the brothers simply got definition of PROTEST wrong. Protest in itself has nothing to do with disobeying leaders. Attached is definition.


Nigerian people feel disappointed by current economy situation and they decide to be heard. That's not disobeying leader. That's protest.

Protest is not all about displaying placard.It is just one of the many. There are other means[/s]

Now here is hadith that teaches us to do something when it is wrong



On the authority of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudree (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.” [Muslim]


This is an important hadith because it shows that Muslims should not be innocent bystanders – we are obliged to do something to stop wrongdoing. It also outlines to us the order in which we must do something. Also, Nigerians are under economy repression. In that case, Quran wants your voice to be heard. It says to speak out, PROTEST.

But ahadith you brothers are quoting emphasized on "disobeying leaders". Protest is contrary to this. Dont mix it up

AbdelKabir:




SubhanAllâh ya Empiree ittaqullâh!!

Allâh says:

ولا تلبسوا الحق بالباطل وتكتموا الحق وانتم تعلمون

do not mix the truth with falsehood nor hide the truth while you know(it).

I couldnt help but smack my head when i saw you trying to use this hadeeth to prove that protest is allowed...This is a general hadeeth and can't be used for a specific issue such has this, let me give an example why it cant be correct, lets say some group of muslims were gathered to offer salatul dhuhr, but each wanted to perform the naafil prayer first, then one of them says "oh brothers, let's pray the naafil in jama'ah because the prophet said "The hand of Allâh is over a group" or he cites hadeeth that says Congregational salâh brings 27(or 25) rewards which is better than praying individually....what is that person doing? exactly what you are doing now.

even if we are to accept that hadeeth for (vain)argument sake, then we say, just as how we have clear and unclear aayahs from Allâh, the same way we have clear and unclear words from the prophet too, so we understand the unclear ones in light of the clear one, I present to you to non-ambigous hadeeth;

Hudhayfah bin al-Yaman (may Allâh be pleased with him) the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “After me, there will be leaders who will not rule according to my guidance and will not follow my path. There will be amongst them, men whose hearts are those of the devils in the body of humans.”

hudhayfah asked, “What should I do – O Messenger of Allâh – if I am alive then?” He answered, “Listen to and obey the leader. Even if your back is beaten and your wealth is taken; listen and obey.” Muslim (4813)

So dial another number as this one is unavailable at the moment.


WAllâhul musta'aan.

AbdelKabir:






Hudhayfah bin al-Yaman (may Allâh be pleased with him) the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “After me, there will be leaders who will not rule according to my guidance and will not follow my path. There will be amongst them, men whose hearts are those of the devils in the body of humans.”

hudhayfah asked, “What should I do – O Messenger of Allâh – if I am alive then?” He answered, “Listen to and obey the leader. Even if your back is beaten and your wealth is taken; listen and obey.” Muslim (4813)

AlBaqir:


Typical Banu Ummayah and Banu Abbas Special fabricated hadith to keep people off from revolting against their evil way.

# Imagine the bold part.

Empiree:
I have spoken brother.

What is PROTEST?

AbdelKabir:




one of the synonyms of protest(as brought by your screen shot) says "challenge", remind me again what "challenging an authority" means.

AbdelKabir:




SubhanAllâh ya Empiree ittaqullâh!!

Allâh says:

ولا تلبسوا الحق بالباطل وتكتموا الحق وانتم تعلمون

do not mix the truth with falsehood nor hide the truth while you know(it).

I couldnt help but smack my head when i saw you trying to use this hadeeth to prove that protest is allowed...This is a general hadeeth and can't be used for a specific issue such has this, let me give an example why it cant be correct, lets say some group of muslims were gathered to offer salatul dhuhr, but each wanted to perform the naafil prayer first, then one of them says "oh brothers, let's pray the naafil in jama'ah because the prophet said "The hand of Allâh is over a group" or he cites hadeeth that says Congregational salâh brings 27(or 25) rewards which is better than praying individually....what is that person doing? exactly what you are doing now.

even if we are to accept that hadeeth for (vain)argument sake, then we say, just as how we have clear and unclear aayahs from Allâh, the same way we have clear and unclear words from the prophet too, so we understand the unclear ones in light of the clear one, I present to you to non-ambigous hadeeth;

Hudhayfah bin al-Yaman (may Allâh be pleased with him) the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “After me, there will be leaders who will not rule according to my guidance and will not follow my path. There will be amongst them, men whose hearts are those of the devils in the body of humans.”

hudhayfah asked, “What should I do – O Messenger of Allâh – if I am alive then?” He answered, “Listen to and obey the leader. Even if your back is beaten and your wealth is taken; listen and obey.” Muslim (4813)

So dial another number as this one is unavailable at the moment.


WAllâhul musta'aan.

Empiree:
obviously you picked what suits you.

Se.un is owner and authority of here but,

When se.un was messing around "Islam section" yrs back why did Muslims protest?.

Why did Muslims around the world protest Israeli aggression against philistine?

Why do employees protest minimum wage increase?

Are all these haram to do? .

Do you not understand the hadith you quoted?


So silence in the presence of aggression is what you advocate?.

Back to topic, Nigerian economy is not smiling. Citizens have the right to be heard and show their contempt. This is different from picking up arms and destroying lives and properties which is what the hadith cautions against.

And I'm not saying Buhari is to be blamed. So what exactly it is to obey in the context of Nigeria economy for protesting current situation?. I don't understand you at all.

AlBaqir:


Typical Banu Ummayah and Banu Abbas Special fabricated hadith to keep people off from revolting against their evil way.

# Imagine the bold part.

AbdelKabir:


coming from someone whose fundamental aspect of his deen is to lie, a hadeeth that goes to these folk's territory with full body will come out without legs and hands or even without head.

AlBaqir:


I really always love the way you guys often cry sympathetically when you are cornered and frustrated. If you don't attack your opponent as rafidhi, it will be Sufist, or Bidiatic


# Your similitude is express thus in the Quran:

"...they have hearts with which they do not
understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see,
and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as
cattle, nay, they are in worse errors..." {Q.7:179}

tintingz:
Slave mentality, Stoic syndrome, you should be living in ancient dark ages or during African slavery.

The bolded part is really barbaric, this is what Saudi use to brainwash their citizen. Stoic syndrome.

tintingz:
You too see am?

AbdelKabir:


And the hypocrite quotes The Qur'an which he doesn't believe in, well its one of the signs of end time, people reading Quran but it doesn't go beyond their throats.....

AbdelKabir:


obviously you are the one playing with semantics here and i decided to show you that playing with semantics isnt difficult at all, anyway no one says you shouldn't request for rights, there are ways to go about it, one of them is to send a respected personality amongst the masses to privately meet the leader, thats orderliness, not what this people are planning to do, the "peaceful protest" that was done during GEJ era and its result is still fresh in our minds, how he flooded the military everywhere.

This is shaykh fawzaan(hafidhahullâh);


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGac6IXaEEY

anyway we are waiting to see its result.

AbdelKabir:


saudi citizens are brainwashed yet they enjoy their government, and it did not happen with protest.

tintingz:
Do you know what stoic means?

Let me help you out.

sto·ic
ˈstōik/
noun
1. A person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining.

2. member of the ancient philosophical school of Stoicism.

Saudi citizens are example of stoic syndrome, I've watch many videos youtube of Saudi citizen clamoring for freedom of speech and right especially their women, in western countries Arabs immigrants are increasing day by day.

Saudi has tamed their citizens to be puppets.

People of saudi are only enjoying the oil in the country(trading with west) and pilgrim money income, without these two economy income, deserted Saudi will be like Afghanistan.

AlBaqir:


I no see wetin . That's the tools used by the Banu Ummayah and Banu Abbas and other tyrannic rulers of the past. Same is being used in Saudi, Bahrain etc today.

# These guys have simply been brainwashed. Everything in Sahih Muslim and Bukhari 100%/correct even if it contradict Quran. They will definitely find a way of twisting it or take it hook, line and sinker. "Common entrance (sense)", don lost wallahi.

AbdelKabir:


do you weigh your facts before speaking?

read what you wrote again and see how you contradicted yourself..

you keep sounding unintelligent daily...

tintingz:
Let me help you out again, I don't know where I'm contradicting is it the stoic syndrome?

- There is no freedom of expression in Saudi Arabia
- No freedom of speech
- No freedom to practice any other religion (death penalty straight)
- [s]Chopping pilgrim money every year to develop their desert country.[/s]
- Trading oil business and friendship ties with kufar/infidels.
- Women are treated like second citizen(not allowed to vote, drive, travel freely), political post na wahala.
- They are somehow racist, to accommodate refugees they rejected them.

These are facts about Saudi Arabia which I use to defend in the past.

You can call it lies, na your wahala.

AbdelKabir:


stoic syndrome is affecting people of saudi yet you claim to see a video on YouTube that they are speaking out....cognitive dissonance if you ask me.

help yourself here....

WHAT DO PEOPLE OF SAUDI THINK OF THEIR GOVERNMENT

https://www.quora.com/What-do-people-of-Saudi-Arabia-think-of-their-government-Do-they-like-it

WHY DOESN'T SAUDI ARABIA ACCEPT A FEW DESPERATE MUSLIM REFUGEES DURING ISLAM'S GREATEST HUMAN CRISIS?

https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-Saudi-Arabia-accept-a-few-desperate-Muslim-refugees-during-Islams-greatest-human-crisis

I've said it before, you are really gullible.

tintingz:
The people clamoring for freedom in Saudi are Shia Muslims and non-muslims that left Islam and Saudi stoic syndrome policies. Again go check on YouTube.



The writer is an example of a stoic syndrome patients.

Or

maybe he's one of those rich citizen where stoic policies don't affect them, you know i have said it before in a thread that sharia law is enforced on average poor people.


See yeye excuse, Saudi don't like boasting?

And it is only Syrians they accepted, there are many secret reasons behind this.

Who's gullible between me and you?
You accepted an Hadiths that promote barbarism.

"Even if your back is beaten and your wealth is taken; listen and obey.” Muslim (4813)"

AbdelKabir:


you read just one comment from ewch link and came back to reply in a hurry, now go back and read.

AlBaqir:

[s]
Typical Banu Ummayah and Banu Abbas Special fabricated hadith to keep people off from revolting against their evil way.

# Imagine the bold part.[/s]

AbdelKabir:


you read just one comment from ewch link and came back to reply in a hurry, now go back and read.

the first comment even gave link to saudi foreign aid webpage, but ofcourse your mind is closed to anything that you have prejudice about.

tintingz:
The people clamoring for freedom in Saudi are Shia Muslims and non-muslims that left Islam and Saudi stoic syndrome policies. Again go check on YouTube.

maybe he's one of those rich citizen where stoic policies don't affect them, you know i have said it before in a thread that sharia law is enforced on average poor people.

And it is only Syrians they accepted, there are many secret reasons behind this.

Who's gullible between me and you?

You accepted an Hadiths that promote barbarism.

"Even if your back is beaten and your wealth is taken; listen and obey.” Muslim (4813)"

^^This Hadith is a glorify slave-master act.

tintingz:
Do you know what stoic means?

Let me help you out.

sto·ic
ˈstōik/
noun
1. A person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining.

2. member of the ancient philosophical school of Stoicism.

Saudi citizens are example of stoic syndrome, I've watch many videos youtube of Saudi citizen clamoring for freedom of speech and right especially their women, in western countries Arabs immigrants are increasing day by day.

Saudi has tamed their citizens to be puppets.

People of saudi are only enjoying the oil in the country(trading with west) and pilgrim money income, without these two economy income, deserted Saudi will be like Afghanistan.

Demmzy15:
Saudi has a population of over 20 million, yet you watched few videos on YouTube and concluded that the vast majority of Saudis are "stoic", is that intellectual?

Now that Saudi has oil money, go and burn it, in fact pray Tahajjud so that Allaah can dry it up.