O0ni:
Olu317

Wait, Owa Luusi is the same as Owalusin that emigrated from Ife, correct?

If that is correct then pardon my ignorance, yes I know of Owalusin (Owa Luusi).

I think the Modakeke war during Ekiti parapo was during Ajamaiye's time?

Ojaja I, present Ooni's grandfather was the Ooni at this time. Sadly, it was the Ibadan who imposed him on us and well, he didn't sell his loyalty because of that, he didn't hesitate to let the Modakeke know who the boss was.

So your grand father was Ajamaiye?

You must be a Prince then.

Do you ever attend the Owalusin festival in your home town? I guess not, you are a Christian

Bro, ypu better come back and hug the system that sustained our fore fathers and leave the christianity that has done us more damage than good.

In addition, I think the founder of your town was part of Giesi house. The present Ooni's house; I'm related to the house by blood but a bit distant.

Olu317:
please please don't go further.... Please I plead again with humility

O0ni:

Yes sir.

AreaFada2:

That is the truth.

These Benin Empire deniers are like anti-semitic holocaust deniers. They are jealous children of hate. They are so pained that they like to paint their poo as gold and others as nothing. But in so doing they expose their deep-seated insecurities in the face of overwhelming facts.

When they were not allowed to claim Benin as part of Yorubaland & Benin arts as their, they suddenly went about a hate campaign of empire denial. Suddenly they came with Sungbo Eredo as larger than Benin moats and ramparts. Even the Chinese are still struggling to prove that Chinese wall (a country of around 1.4 billion people) are still struggling to convince the world that their walls are larger than Benin Earth works. By the time Udo town moats and other town walls/moats are fully studied, the Chinese will be no match even.

Why Benin gives them so much nightmares & sleepless nights is beyond me.

They hype themselves like empty barrels & noise makers. Luckily we understand their nature from history and deal with them with a barge pole.

See how they are hyping their VP now. They are carelessly & boastfully exposing their main purpose of hyping/supporting Buhari initially. They were so envious of Jonathan's providence that they impatiently wanted one for themselves too. They cannot even wait for Buhari to answer God's call first. Since only God knows who will go first. Not necessarily by age or obvious health status.

The careless empire denier there called Oba an illiterate. I know his former UK university and is by no means a low ranking school. His school mates I know went on to work for some of the biggest multi-nationals worldwide. The Prince himself excelled in business & went on to become Nigerian Ambassador to many countries. I also personally knew some Nigerian ambassadors in Europe (one even was Yoruba, who I will not name for privacy sake) in the 1990s, and none had a better education than the Prince.

Ordinarily, I would not mind their envy but lots of sensible silent readers visit Nairaland so records have to be set straight.

The most funny thing is when they quote their pioneer empire denier writers mostly from Ibadan Press as authority. I do not know how they expect those to impress even a primary school boy from Benin.

O0ni:



I beg you in the name of Osanobua & Ogiso, please list the area Bini empire covered.

According to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire



Note that the page was clearly written and edited by Bini people.

Ondo - Akoko areas.

Ibo land - Onitsha area.

Lagos - Obalende & Island.

Are these all that mae up the 'great enpire'? Like seriously?

Please be civil.

mulattoclaroo:
the Benin empire went as far as the whole of Southern Nigeria to Dahomey which present day Benin Republic to Togo.

O0ni:


The emboldened had me like:



That there was the reason I asked if you were a christian to which you answered yes.

Oduduwa's original source had been a thing of secret since time immemorial and as a result, the traditionalist who are not ife orogin, the christians and muslims have tried to fill the void by concocting different types of theories.

The chain from the sky theory, the Mecca theory and the Egypt theory. You applied the latter in your post which to me is unfounded and a wild guess.

Ife had 13 communities, some were in the valley while some were up the hill; there were 2 groups of Ife.

Oduduwa and his clan were part of those settled on the hill known as Oke Ora.

They up the hill had limited access to water and fertile lands for farming that they had to come down the hill to get these needs; it led to life long generational conflict between hil dwellers and the valley settlers.

The clash only came to a head during Oduduwa's time.

Where Oduduwa's and his generation lived before him is some sort of holy site and its location is obfuscated to prevent people from going there. With the tourism oriented background of the present Ooni he may decide to open it up but I doubt it much because it is the place where every Ooni's coronation starts from. Every Ooni elect goes up the hill, wears certain stuff from that place, comes down the hill into Ife then heads first to Obatala's house.

The only persons who have gone there who were not part of the Idio clan (Oduduwa's clan) were Prof Eluyemi Omotoso and his European colleagues who went up there for excavations (of course they had to be initiated into stuff prior). During the excavation, they discovered different artifacts dating further cementing the 350BCE dating other excavations in other places in Ife gave. And the excavated materials also proved that the place was well inhabited and there was a working village system there.

So, it is painful to many of us who know where Oduduwa came from but we are bound to keep quiet in the face of infuriating jargons like the Bini history of Oduduwa.

What brought Oduduwa & his people down the hill was the need to have share of fertile grounds. This forever reshaped Ife settlement & politics.

He managed to command the respect and support of other Ife kings who were under Obatala. He built his place in Ife (now the palace) not too far from Obatala's palace. Then there were two palaces and the same group who would go to greet Oduduwa would go to greet Obatala and vice versa until Obameri decided to crush Obatala's kingship and subjugate him under Oduduwa. He sacked Obatala's palace (now a temple) and made sure he exiled Obatala who was later appeased to return to Ife.

Obatala became the spiritual head in Ife and Oduduwa became the political/military head. Ife was practically restructured.

The Idio Family in Ife is a conglomerate of those who lived up the hill but came down with Oduduwa and they are settled in Ife somewhere close to the palace.

The Ideta family (mine) are Obatala's offsprings, they have massive lands in Ife - Itapa & Mokuro.

This civil war led to Ugbo's migration to present day Ondo state.

The war also led to Ugbo's attacks on Ife that brought Moremi into the limelight.

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I purposely left some sacred terms, places & names out.

O0ni:


This map, to you depicts the powerful empires in W.Africa, correct sir?

Sadly, the purpose of the map is/was to depict slave ports and kingdoms controlling the ports.

And you can see it says Benin Kingdom, not Benin empire

Olu317:
The three theories I have applied. The real oral history was that he came down via chain...while he wore Armor on his body and The Aare crown..In those ancient times, Armour can only be known and used or worn by warriors or kings. Then the mention of Mecca wasn't the original but Modina which is a place situated in ancient Middle East/Canaan/Israel called MODI'IN. Furthermore, in Arab world ,they do what is called genealogical recording as well in a written form which is equivalent to oriki but ours is mentally memorise which Arabic called Tariq. There has been study of language comparison with Arab-Egypt-Israel. Yoruba tradition is different from other Africans... In one odu- IFA, Yoruba Eledumare was identified as having gray hair, ageless and even said he(almighty can't die). That's exceptional. It is only in the Bible I see such thing. If you check my post on EL,-A you will understand. Yet, Yoruba people care less about all these things. But research by western world kept going on the tradition of Yoruba. Even if they are initiated,they will still write about it until death do them apart.





I am yet to get to the striking point but soon

opal4real:


Show us kingdom of oyo or ife!

Olu317:
ASHIPA,that was even claimed to be a BINI Prince is doubtful. Such name didn't exist within the context of Bini names. And After King Ado, Gabbaro, Akinsemoyin, Then next was eletu Kekere , and Ologun kutere whose father was Yoruba man of Ilesha/Ijesha referred to Alaagba who married King Akinsemoyin's sister.

Ologun Kutere
Oba of Lagos
Reign c. 1780 - 1806
Predecessor Eletu Kekere
Successor Adele Ajosun
Born Ologun Kutere
Lagos
Died c. 1803
Lagos
Burial Benin
Issue Eshinlokun , Adele Ajosun , Akiolu, Olukoya, Olusi and Akitoye .
House Ado, Ologun Kutere
Father Alaagba
Mother Erelu Kuti



Facts don't lie.
Yoruba lineage is the lineage of king of lagos

9jakool:


On point! It's good to question the validity of some these historical claims. I'm not even sure about the validity of the origin of "Eko". There is a town in Osun State in the heart of Yorubaland called Eko-Ende. I often wonder how much influence The Benin had on Lagos. The so called subjects didn't even adopt their language. And how do you skip Ijebu and go conquer Isale Eko? The Ijebu people are literally on the buffer between Ondo people and Lagos and they swore that they were never conquered by the Benin, partly due to their massive Sungbo Eredo fortress.

In regards to the Oyo empire, they had one of the greatest influence in West Africa spanning four countries (Nigeria, Benin, Togo, Ghana). Many Fon, Ewe, and Many Gbe claim that their origin traces back to the Oyo. Even the Ga who are native to Accra share this claim.
And don't take my words for it , check this out from a Ghanaian. https://www.nairaland.com/950471/ewe-people-ghana-same-yoruba . This is what I like to call true influence.

Also, Who cares where the origin of the name "Yoruba" came from. We've made it ours and we've reclaimed it. I think it's remarkable that different people with varying customs and dialects can unify under a common banner. That's what I call human progress. A person from Atakpame in Togo can identify with a person from Ifon in the easternmost region even though they are two countries apart. Our lineage, culture, and most importantly history is what bound us together. Our identity transcend beyond artificial political boundaries. Yoruba blood is thicker than water. When many slaves in the Americas were being stripped of their identity, Yoruba culture prevailed. The culture is well and alive in Brazil, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago and many others. They practiced ifa, the religion, songs, and traditions. They even eat our beloved akara in Brazil, they called it acaraje from the words "akara" and "je." Even people with the littlest amount of Yoruba blood still embrace the culture. Our kinship and lineage span three continents. That's influence like no other.

9jakool:


On point! It's good to question the validity of some these historical claims. I'm not even sure about the validity of the origin of "Eko". There is a town in Osun State in the heart of Yorubaland called Eko-Ende. I often wonder how much influence The Benin had on Lagos. The so called subjects didn't even adopt their language. And how do you skip Ijebu and go conquer Isale Eko? The Ijebu people are literally on the buffer between Ondo people and Lagos and they swore that they were never conquered by the Benin, partly due to their massive Sungbo Eredo fortress.

In regards to the Oyo empire, they had one of the greatest influence in West Africa spanning four countries (Nigeria, Benin, Togo, Ghana). Many Fon, Ewe, and Many Gbe claim that their origin traces back to the Oyo. Even the Ga who are native to Accra share this claim.
And don't take my words for it , check this out from a Ghanaian. https://www.nairaland.com/950471/ewe-people-ghana-same-yoruba . This is what I like to call true influence.

Also, Who cares where the origin of the name "Yoruba" came from. We've made it ours and we've reclaimed it. I think it's remarkable that different people with varying customs and dialects can unify under a common banner. That's what I call human progress. A person from Atakpame in Togo can identify with a person from Ifon in the easternmost region even though they are two countries apart. Our lineage, culture, and most importantly history is what bound us together. Our identity transcend beyond artificial political boundaries. Yoruba blood is thicker than water. When many slaves in the Americas were being stripped of their identity, Yoruba culture prevailed. The culture is well and alive in Brazil, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago and many others. They practiced ifa, the religion, songs, and traditions. They even eat our beloved akara in Brazil, they called it acaraje from the words "akara" and "je." Even people with the littlest amount of Yoruba blood still embrace the culture. Our kinship and lineage span three continents. That's influence like no other.

Olu317:
I have heard about Eko Tedo in Osun State. But I haven't been there. Historical places are worth visiting. Conquer Ijebu ke?, One of the most dreaded Yoruba enclave, just like ILE IFE on the primacy of Yoruba traditions. Let Children of Edo who have no respect for Yoruba tradition because civilisation has taken over everything and exposed them to lies through the combination of British Colonialist, else, they would have tasted a bitter pill of punishment. They know Lagos isn't a child's play. KING Kosoko was so bitter and iron fisted When he ruled briefly. He was hated because he was a brutal man that he was throwing his maternal family lineage of his father's whom are Edo/Bini extraction loyal to Bini kingdom into lagoon.
Of course yes, I have seen many Yoruba extractions who are of diaspora in South and North America clinging so badly to Yoruba tradition. Yoruba tradition has a follower of more than 10,000,000 despite the fact that many of us are either Christians or Muslims. It is quite interesting to see the doggedness of that tradition. There is a strong reason Yoruba religion survived in those countries. You find these people so changed in Complexion due to their intermarriages with Caucasians/white yet they hold to their Tradition as Fish hold on to water( EJA LO NI BU) . YORUBA BLOOD ALWAYS SYNC....

O0ni:



Bro, I just posted the actual history backed up by excavated materials some in the hands of British.

What you have up there is fable, nothing more.

And he did not come with Ade Are.

Ade Are belonged to Osangangan Obamakin, Obalufon & Obatala.

This is why every new Ooni gets the are crown around Obatala's temple, in the presence of Obalufon.

Do not let me say too much sir just dispel that thought you hold.

The Egyptian & Mecca connections have been thrashed severally and severely on nairaland many years back already.

9jakool:

You know another dreaded Yoruba kingdom was Owo (Ogho), literally founded on the border with Bini. Even with the close proximity, they were never conquered. They produced realistic sculptures similarly to that of Ife too. Bini imported some of their artworks and employed their craftsmen in their court because they valued their ivory carving skills. They even have the largest palace in all of Africa in the middle of the city.

I have actually been to Eko Onde a number of times. It's a nice town by a large lake. Many of the people there are skilled fishermen. My hometown is situated next to the town. I'm Ibolo-Yoruba from Osun. We were once part of the Oyo empire.

9jakool:

You know another dreaded Yoruba kingdom was Owo (Ogho), literally founded on the border with Bini. Even with the close proximity, they were never conquered. They produced realistic sculptures similarly to that of Ife too. Bini imported some of their artworks and employed their craftsmen in their court because they valued their ivory carving skills. They even have the largest palace in all of Africa in the middle of the city.

I have actually been to Eko Onde a number of times. It's a nice town by a large lake. Many of the people there are skilled fishermen. My hometown is situated next to the town. I'm Ibolo-Yoruba from Osun. We were once part of the Oyo empire.

O0ni:



Bro, I just posted the actual history backed up by excavated materials some in the hands of British.

What you have up there is fable, nothing more.

And he did not come with Ade Are.

Ade Are belonged to Osangangan Obamakin, Obalufon & Obatala.

This is why every new Ooni gets the are crown around Obatala's temple, in the presence of Obalufon.

Do not let me say too much sir just dispel that thought you hold.

The Egyptian & Mecca connections have been thrashed severally and severely on nairaland many years back already.

Olu317:
I wasn't referring to Odua as owning the Crown of Obatala but the to the concept of them having that crown itself was what I was trying to emphasis on and Adimuela and his armor dressing with head which is not at time. related to west Africa. Secondly, I am widely read and I have seen a lot of books written by Yoruba scholars as well as international scholars of repute too that have tried so deep to analyze Yoruba tradition from the way it was in the beginning. Take for instance, the Antelope, Elephant within the burial area of one group and appreciation and usage of plants/ flowers and the other group of Odua had Ram and elephants on their burial sites. The record of worship of skull? where do they get it from? The forty six(46) kings before Odua, and their presence not in Africa, how can you explain this?, El-A as Yoruba word of God VS Eli(God of Israel) Ba/Abba/Baalè/Baalé VS Ba'al(Isreal) meaning father and Owner. Can you explain it? Olorun VS Elyion (Creator and owner of heaven ).can you explain all these resemblance? Part of Oyo account mentioned Medina, even Ooni mentioned it recently that Odua is a word used in Middle East for Audra. And Semitic people developed around Canaan which is Israel land. It is not about Yoruba tradition in Israel but the other way round. Do you know Ancient had a word like Ashé meaning the same thing? Don't close your mind to this but study it carefully. Yoruba language isn't one of the oldest, how come we claim the beginning of mankind? How come they lived around water? how come they lived within mountainous environment? How come they lived in deep forested environs?How come they knew Guerrilla warfare? Israel had it all. Every time Israelite fought war openly ,they lost nearly all. Check their history account. I know we aren't Arabs but dreadlocks was partly our tradition. Israel were known of dread locked hairs? Give me the answers to these with your defence against these things mentioned. Cheers.


Note: Those whom you referred to didn't study these things I mentioned. I have more

Take for instance, the Antelope, Elephant within the burial area of one group and appreciation and usage of plants/ flowers and the other group of Odua had Ram and elephants on their burial sites

The record of worship of skull?

The forty six(46) kings before Odua, and their presence not in Africa, how can you explain this?

El-A as Yoruba word of God VS Eli(God of Israel) Ba/Abba/Baalè/Baalé VS Ba'al(Isreal) meaning father and Owner. Can you explain it? Olorun VS Elyion (Creator and owner of heaven ).

Can you explain it? Olorun VS Elyion (Creator and owner of heaven ).can you explain all these resemblance

Part of Oyo account mentioned Medina, even Ooni mentioned it recently that Odua is a word used in Middle East for Audra. And Semitic people developed around Canaan which is Israel land. It is not about Yoruba tradition in Israel but the other way round. Do you know Ancient had a word like Ashé meaning the same thing? Don't close your mind to this but study it carefully. Yoruba language isn't one of the oldest, how come we claim the beginning of mankind?

Yoruba language isn't one of the oldest, how come we claim the beginning of mankind? How come they lived around water? how come they lived within mountainous environment? How come they lived in deep forested environs?How come they knew Guerrilla warfare? Israel had it all. Every time Israelite fought war openly ,they lost nearly all. Check their history account. I know we aren't Arabs but dreadlocks was partly our tradition. Israel were known of dread locked hairs? Give me the answers to these with your defence against these things mentioned. Cheers.

O0ni:


Are Oyo and Ife port cities?

You should have seen from the map that it was all about trade and slave trade.

The map is a representation of port cities, trade centres and slave supply centers.

Oh, I see you were planning on using this as a form of point for Benin's reputation?

God, since PhsyicsED (sp?) we have not had any bright Bini scholar on NL.

nisai:
That person you mentioned was really an intellectual. Btw, are u 9jcrip?

O0ni:




I've been busted

nisai:
Hope you are keeping well bro. You are now more ferocious than you were as 9jacrip. I like it.

O0ni:


This is why Bini, Ijebu & a number of different groups never take Yoruba history serious.

It is 90+ kings before Oduduwa.

Comparative study of cultures find similarities in cultural systems every time - some very deep, some on the surface but in most cases no shared history or contact.

The scholars you read have mostly been debunked. The theory you are basing your thoughts on is a struggle between Christians & Muslims.

Christian scholars try to attach to Egypt or Israel by looking for similarities to back up their claims.

Muslim scholars look to Mecca/Arabia for similarities to back up their claims too.

And there are not international scholars only 1 person whose name I cannot recall right now and his work has been thrown in the dustbin of the academia. His work is what other pro-religious scholars use as the basis of their research. The nonsense is all over the internet and was wide spread on nairaland around 2010-2013.

Let me discombobulate your egypt/israel/mecca connection for a minute. If you have an open mind, read about the Etruscans and the very intricae similarities they share with rhe Yoruba which cut across the socio-political and socio-cultural systems, it is not just language here but how the family system, the state, kingship, burial ceremony, naming ceremony, art patterns etc.

Does this mean Yoruba migrated from Italy to the present location?

Look at the Greeks & Amerindians. Like the Yoruba, they have patheon of deities with each deity being associated with each natural phenomenon then the ritual patterns all the same with Ife/Yoruba.



The Greeks, Romans & Amerindians used the same motifs on burial sites, does this make Yoruba a part of these 3 civilizations?



In what Yoruba practice is skull worshipped?



They were 90+ in total. They ruled in Ife & they were not out right kings per-se but head of a loose confederacy. All 13 hamlets had their own kings but the position of overall head was rotated. The 13 communities are still in Ife with each having its ruler. The kings you mentioned ruled in Africa, present day ife.



Ela is the name of a leaf mostly used in preparing aseje for aje or sales for business. '...gbogbo ori igi ni ela nlaa le, ela ki de ori igi ko mo la' - ela spreads on all trees, ela spreads whenever it gets to the top of the tree. That is a minor part of the incantation said when activating the aseje before use.

The literal meaning of Quran is word of God/Allah

The literal meaning of Bible/Torah is word of God.

The literal meaning of Ifa is word of God/Olodumare.

Ba,Abba, Baba is a word found across all cultures meaning the same thing father.

Baale/Baale: One is Baba Ile (Father of the family compound/house) usually the oldest man in the clan while the other is Baba Ile (Father of the land) a junior chief usually under the thumb of a king.

Ba'al: originally a greek word that is applied to all figures or images but during reformation became applied to 'false gods' according to christian standards. Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal

How does this baale & baal situation concern Yoruba exactly?



Olu orun (king of heaven) is a term that came into existence with emergence of Nigerian nationalism in the church. That is, during the nationalist movement there was the movement to break away from the Catholic and British protestant way of worship - this led to the Cele & C&S movements. In developing their terms for Yorubanized christianity they developed Oluorun as a word for God. Olu orun was not the actual term used for God in Yoruba land, Olu orun came with nationalism in Christianity.

The Yoruba ancient and actual word for Supreme creator is Olodumare. You will never hear an Ifa or Orisa chant or Yoruba history where Olorun is used, it is always Olodumare; go figure.



Oyo account has been thrashed already. Like I said, it is muslims trying to validate their belief in Allah and Yoruba idol worship.

I was back home in January during my family festival. Of course, we had a conference and Ooni was there. He did a project on a CD that was based on tracing & connecting sound patterns and drawing inferences. I was miffed in my seat and was vibrating with disgust, he came with and shared the CDs in the hall and I flatly rejected the one offered to me.

Saying Odua was Adura, prayer LOL.

And a deity Katokakakakiki is the name from which Catholic was gotten from, boy I broke into a bout of laughter in the hall.

I do not blame the Ooni, he is a christian and also bound by secrecy not to say anything at all. Even though the shabby documentary put together tried to separate Ife/Yoruba from others, it still turned around to put Ife achievements under Islam & Jews as if Ife/Yoruba could not have come this far alone except they compulsorily derive from Arabs or Jews - very sad thought.

My mind is not closed to this but it is funny because evidenced and material history says otherwise. Linguists do not support these claims so why should I accept this hypothesis that can be twisted by anyone. Did people not recently say Yoruba and Ibo were the same by drawing similar words with similar meanings, if you agree that by words we came from Israel do you then agree Yoruba and Ibo are related then considering we have a lot of closely sounding words with similar meanings? If you don't then dump the Israel & Egypt hypothesis quickly.



- Every civilization claims the beginning of mankind. Read across all cultures, they claim mankind, it is nothing special. Every culture that evolves independently without a known source of influence claims to be the beginning of mankind since it is the beginning they know.
- Living around water or mountains os all a matter of geography but mostly farming for water and mountains for military strategy. There's no big deal here, it cuts across all places on earth.
- How come they knew Guerrilla warfare? Is guerrilla warfare peculiar to and the brainwork of one group now? Isn't guerrilla warfare a military strategy implemented in the face of superior firepower in most cases?
- Dread lock: it was invented in east Africa by people who protested against colonialist by refusing to eat, shower or trim their hairs. The hairs grew out long and locked and pf course the Europeans did not like it, they dreaded it. There you have it, dread(ed) locks. It is a recent phenomenon that has grown into fashion, it has nothing to do with your Israel.
Finally, are you even aware most of the tales in the bible about Israel are incorrect? I believe the Bible is your source for all of these. For an in-depth understanding of Jewish history, study Persian history. Israel vanished in 721 and never existed again. It was Juda that survived untill it was destroyed in 586. The babylonian exile lasted only two generations. In these exile the jews were able to preserve its ethnical identity by introducing a radical, segregating religion, that made them different from the other ethnics.

While Israel existed before vanishing in 721, Ife was in existence as far back as 350BCE. In other words, Ife and Israel existed side by side independently of each other without any form of contact.

Again, dump your theory. Ife is as old as Israel, none migrated to found the other and none transferred culture to the other.

The problem is everyone thinks they can write history but lack the rigorous training to needed to decipher what is what when it comes to structuring proper history.

Do not bother stretching your theory with me sir. First, ditch the biblical accounts and read Persian records of Israel then we can take it from there.

Rendition of words is not history, it is childish. It is not scholarly, it is something anybody can pull off.

I'm keeping well sir. How about you?

Lol I just went off for a minute.

Since I've been discovered, I'll have to delete this handle.

nisai:
Why? Ok I am sorry for being too forward.

But even if you delete it and operates another handle, you are still going to be discovered! Remember knowledge is light that does not necessarily
require advertisement.

therefore, I am pleading with you with utmost humility to stay and keep on educating the likes of me.

opal4real:



Read and educate yourself. Internet is very cheap, so engage yourself in some reading exercise

mulattoclaroo:
th Benin empire went as far as the whole of Southern Nigeria to Dahomey which present day Benin Republic to Togo.

Olu317:
The three theories I have applied. The real oral history was that he came down via chain...while he wore Armor on his body and The Aare crown..In those ancient times, Armour can only be known and used or worn by warriors or kings. Then the mention of Mecca wasn't the original but Modina which is a place situated in ancient Middle East/Canaan/Israel called MODI'IN. Furthermore, in Arab world ,they do what is called genealogical recording as well in a written form which is equivalent to oriki but ours is mentally memorise which Arabic called Tariq. There has been study of language comparison with Arab-Egypt-Israel. Yoruba tradition is different from other Africans... In one odu- IFA, Yoruba Eledumare was identified as having gray hair, ageless and even said he(almighty can't die). That's exceptional. It is only in the Bible I see such thing. If you check my post on EL,-A you will understand. Yet, Yoruba people care less about all these things. But research by western world kept going on the tradition of Yoruba. Even if they are initiated,they will still write about it until death do them apart.


I am yet to get to the striking point but soon

opal4real:


Show us kingdom of oyo or ife!

OlaoChi:
Dahomey and well over 80% of southern nigeria was never subject to Bini,

Akoko, Akure/eastern ekiti (off and on due to the ever frequent refusal to acknowledge Bini), Itsekiri(off and on too), Anioma(delta Igbo)/Onitsha, Lagos island(restricted to the Bini descendants, the Idejo never paid any tribute to Bini), Esan: these were the areas Bini had authority over, not an empire with an Impressive size
the fascination with Bini is not in its empire but Kingdom art, nothing more
it will be wise for you not to train children with this ethnic supremacy attitude

if you think I am wrong please do not just respond with empty words but bring academic proof along