otswag:
Oga, I have had alot of pentecostal/catholic/anglican/etc patients who died from easily treatable diseases like malaria because they refused to come to the hospital early,believing that their sickness would be cured with faith and prayers alone. Many Nigerian pastors,probably even most, give the impression that seeking medical attention for any problem indicates you lack faith. Why haven't you tagged them extremists? Na all these kin petty arguments dey weak me.

. that one you are saying is different there are times I will be feverish instead of me to go to hospital i will feel so lackadiasical to go cos i believe I will get well,you can use that one to compare a woman that is bleeding after delivery and the only solution to keep you alive is through blood transfusion and you boldly refuse it
tell me what is that one called,pls keep quiet if you cannot argue constructively.

Nigeriadondie:

Look at what they did in Georgia, Ukraine and now Syria supporting a murderous regime

Very annoying..

That's to tell you the way this world is going morally.. It's sickening.

This world suppose Don end since... I nor understand God sef

I doubt if you have good understanding between being annoying and being extremist. Fulani herdsmen do not give victims the choice to complain about them being annoying, Boko haram do not offer you a choice, they massacre without remorse. You probably could be speaking from your hatred toward them. But, I am shocked and I do feel we all know what labelling a group of people who have no record of inciting crime or protest means to other religious sects.

AnonyNymous:


Exactly! Unfortunately JW will not give you that choice. They will follow you, pester you, even stalk you. I don't know if banning them/labelling them as extremist was the right thing but they sure as hell are annoying

Maximus85:
We don't sell our journals. Even if you're willing to donate and we perceive you won't read, we won't release our journals to you.

We pray. We pray with respect to the Supreme one we are praying to. That's why we might not pray in public so that people will see us. Jesus taught us to pray. He's the one who sent us out to preach. Luke 10:5,6 Jesus said "When you enter the house, greet them" Who are we to do something else.

When Jehovah's Witnesses have visited you repeatedly, and they have ascertained you really want to learn the truth, they will pray with you.

Mind you, once they make contact with you, they include you in their our personal prayers. Bro, you need to hear Jehovah's Witnesses pray.

But you shun people who no longer believe or who leave your religion. Shunning is an extremist belief

I do not blame the JW cos every one of them willingly accepts their beliefs. You cannot force someone to live by your standard because you think it is right. There is religious freedom and you must let people enjoy theirs. There are monks who light themselves up and they are celebrated, there are churches that do not take medicines and no one says a thing. Some people will never have a surgery even if it will save their lives, some will never accept to be injected even if they have to die for it. Are you constructively arguing when you are ripping people off their right to religion? Think again, bro.
As far as your beliefs do not hurt me and the world, it is fine by me. You cannot dictate how people live and what they should believe. My cousin got a serious disease from a blood transfusion, so that is not the best option either. I hate this rigid way Nigerians decide issues as if they are the best thinkers. Try to do some research before you assume you are so knowledgeable.

2bam:
. that one you are saying is different there are times I will be feverish instead of me to go to hospital i will feel so lackadiasical to go cos i believe I will get well,you can use that one to compare a woman that is bleeding after delivery and the only solution to keep you alive is through blood transfusion and you boldly refuse it
tell me what is that one called,pls keep quiet if you cannot argue constructively.

Hairyrapunzel:


But you shun people who no longer believe or who leave your religion. Shunning is an extremist belief

Even the bible says to remove unclean ones from your midst so they don't defile you.
Jehovah's witnesses follow the bible and the bible alone....I don't see anything wrong with shunning unrepentant ones

potent5:
Good news.

You call this good news, God will judge you along with Russia when time comes.

weedtheweeds:
I doubt if you have good understanding between being annoying and being extremist. Fulani herdsmen do not give victims the choice to complain about them being annoying, Boko haram do not offer you a choice, they massacre without remorse. You probably could be speaking from your hatred toward them. But, I am shocked and I do feel we all know what labelling a group of people who have no record of inciting crime or protest means to other religious sects.

Like I said in my post, I don't know if 'extremist' was the right word for the Russian Government to use on Jehovah's Witnesses, but they are a religious sect that also have no respect for privacy. True, they are not violent like Islamic terrorists, but at the same time they have no regard for people's privacy and want to prove that they are right by all means. Can you remember when a court in Nigeria awarded a man N5 million as a settlement as regards to MTN's annoying text messages and put sanctions against them? That's not much different from this. And JW are worse than MTN, in fact, they will start asking you questions about your personal life, and they just win't leave you alone until you agree to collect whatever pamphlet they're trying to share or if you pray with them. The last time these Chinese JW came to my place (I'm not religious, neither are most of my family) they were basically holding the gate, trying to prevent me from closing it. I think that's an intrusion that needs to be cautioned, although I don't think they are 'extremist' in the popular sense of the word

weedtheweeds:
I do not blame the JW cos every one of them willingly accepts their beliefs. You cannot force someone to live by your standard because you think it is right. There is religious freedom and you must let people enjoy theirs. There are monks who light themselves up and they are celebrated, there are churches that do not take medicines and no one says a thing. Some people will never have a surgery even if it will save their lives, some will never accept to be injected even if they have to die for it. Are you constructively arguing when you are ripping people off their right to religion? Think again, bro.
As far as your beliefs do not hurt me and the world, it is fine by me. You cannot dictate how people live and what they should believe. My cousin got a serious disease from a blood transfusion, so that is not the best option either. I hate this rigid way Nigerians decide issues as if they are the best thinkers. Try to do some research before you assume you are so knowledgeable.

. your argument is baseless,in a Church some members might agree to take drugs while some might say no to drugs,that is in the same church oo,but in the assembly of Jehovah witness no member will take drugs.that is were the fanatic came in.

Nwakaumu:
This sect is good at dividing families just like they ve done to mine.they hold extreme views that are inimical to stable society,not to mention their hypocrisy and brainwashing methods.I know these stuffs because I was born in it and and left them after wasting 21 years of my life in it before I turned atheist.in fact,religion as whole is a stupid waste of precious time.

No wonder, you're Atheist. I rest my case for you.

You are seriously funny. People come to your house and you drive them away by asking them to pray and knowing that they will decline your request. for 30 years you have done this and not a day has it occurred to you to ask them why they do not pray when they visit you. Now, you approached a JW online and asked him to explain to you why they do not pray. Shouldn't you ask for prayers before he explains to you? or, does your "let us pray" antic exclude the internet? I like to give people fair chances in life and I hate oppression. I always love to stand by the oppressed.
If I were a JW, I wouldn't reply your question. It is absolute stupidity. You have already drawn to a conclusion by saying that they are only interested in selling journals. I have a friend who is a JW and he has never sold a journal to me. I might not agree with him 100% but I can never make a statement like yours on a forum.

cosade:


My view, based on interactions with JW members is that, they are only interested in selling their journals and books to the public not preaching. I could be wrong but that is my perception.

In one of my early encounters with JW members three decades ago, I suggested that we should start our discussion with prayer, but they declined and left for no reason at all. Since that time when they come to my house to preach, I would welcome them warmly and insist that we should start with an opening prayer. They would rather leave than agree to pray with me.

I guess you're a member, what are the reasons JW members don't oblige to pray with others?
or
Is it that JW members don't pray at all?

AnonyNymous:

Like I said in my post, I don't know if 'extremist' was the right word for the Russian Government to use on Jehovah's Witnesses, but they are a religious sect that also have no respect for privacy. True, they are not violent like Islamic terrorists, but at the same time they have no regard for people's privacy and want to prove that they are right by all means. Can you remember when a court in Nigeria awarded a man N5 million as a settlement as regards to MTN's annoying text messages and put sanctions against them? That's not much different from this. And JW are worse than MTN, in fact, they will start asking you questions about your personal life, and they just win't leave you alone until you agree to collect whatever pamphlet they're trying to share or if you pray with them. The last time these Chinese JW came to my place (I'm not religious, neither are most of my family) they were basically holding the gate, trying to prevent me from closing it. I think that's an intrusion that needs to be cautioned, although I don't think they are 'extremist' in the popular sense of the word

Have you asked them to leave your premises immediately and they insist on staying? When next they come and you told them to leave and they refuse to leave, please do call the police. Witnesses leave, when you asked them to..and we dont force our literature on people. The standing rule is that, if someone shows no interest in your message, dont give any literature, and even f you listen to them you can still reject the literature. Since they are so annoying to you...let me tell you something...just call the next ones that come around..tell them they should mark or note your apartment/room/house and tell the congregation or other members not to knock your door again..i guarantee you that they wont come again..because you have freed them of the biblical obligation to preach to you. You could even have it boldy written on your house...some people have done that and voila...the Witness pests are gone.....maybe you can use the same measures on MTN to stop unsolicited messages since you say its the same

weedtheweeds:
I doubt if you have good understanding between being annoying and being extremist. Fulani herdsmen do not give victims the choice to complain about them being annoying, Boko haram do not offer you a choice, they massacre without remorse. You probably could be speaking from your hatred toward them. But, I am shocked and I do feel we all know what labelling a group of people who have no record of inciting crime or protest means to other religious sects.

You don't have to massacre or kill people with weapons before labelling any group as extremist. You may prevent people from accepting blood transfusion, you tell family and friends to shun people who no longer believe in your religion, shunning can lead to sucide you look forward to the day your jehovah commit mass manslaughter or genocide of non jws. You spread hate against other religions shows you are an extremist

2bam:
. your argument is baseless,in a Church some members might agree to take drugs while some might say no to drugs,that is in the same church oo,but in the assembly of Jehovah witness no member will take drugs.that is were the fanatic came in.

So if a church teaches that drinking alcohol is wrong and some adhere to it and others do not..do you blame the church because some members do not totally have trust and faith in the teachings of their church? If the early christians all agree to avoid paying homage to Caesar and would rather die but some other sects have religious members who are divided in their stance against Caesar, is it an evidence that the early christians are fanatics

So if the whole Jehovah's witnesses follow the doctrine of their church..do you then want to use that as a basis for fanaticism.

The only reason why I replied to your comment is to make it boldly know to you that your hate for the JW is baseless. You have no reason to say something you do not know about. I would have ignored your comment if you had just commented and let go, but you actually insulted someone that you quoted that he couldn't argue constructively. Are you constructive in your argument? Have you ever met or had a close encounter with a JW? You know nothing about the JW and you shouldn't make a comment about them. Before you judge them, learn! There are JW who are medical doctors and nurses, there are JW who are gynaecologists and I know many of them who own pharmacies. Do you know the meaning of fanaticism? Do not judge people collectively. I find it very disturbing that you could go this length to blaspheme people. They have had enough already. Please, take your cheap lies elsewhere you know nothing and you are not constructive to begin with.

2bam:
. your argument is baseless,in a Church some members might agree to take drugs while some might say no to drugs,that is in the same church oo,but in the assembly of Jehovah witness no member will take drugs.that is were the fanatic came in.

Well, I never knew we had a professor on this forum. Where did you graduate?

Hairyrapunzel:


You don't have to massacre or kill people with weapons before labelling any group as extremist. You may prevent people from accepting blood transfusion, you tell family and friends to shun people who no longer believe in your religion, shunning can lead to sucide you look forward to the day your jehovah commit mass manslaughter or genocide of billions of non jws. You spread hate against other religions shows you are an extremist

Oluwaseyi2215:



Even the bible says to remove unclean ones from your midst so they don't defile you.
Jehovah's witnesses follow the bible and the bible alone....I don't see anything wrong with shunning unrepentant ones

But they still allow the unclean ones into their meetings #hypocrisy
Bible never said we should shun anyone. There is something wrong in shunning someone who no longer believes what you believe or who leaves your religion
They don't follow the bible they follow their governing body members rule

Only a cult will make family and friends shun you when you leave it.

2bam:
. that one you are saying is different there are times I will be feverish instead of me to go to hospital i will feel so lackadiasical to go cos i believe I will get well,you can use that one to compare a woman that is bleeding after delivery and the only solution to keep you alive is through blood transfusion and you boldly refuse it
tell me what is that one called,pls keep quiet if you cannot argue constructively.

for your mind, you have made sense ehn? Literally, it made sense to receive the blood transfusion but they refused because of their beliefs. Do you know the number of non-JW literate parents I've seen with severely I'll children who died because the parentS preferred to take them to the church rather than the hospital? Literally, it was sensible to go straight to the hospital but they refused because of their beliefs. How is this different? If u feel this clearly stated argument of mine isn't constructive enough, then the problem is with your reasoning.

Jehovah will continue to fight for his people this makes us strong and ever more determined

SalamRushdie:
To be sincere JW is an extremist organization but a peace loving one , there are many ideologies of the group that doesn't go well with a secular social organization if we must tell the truth one of which is conscientious objection in which the refuse to participate in security jobs but yet want to benefit from security provided by others , 2 is the issue of National Anthem , 3 the refusal to take blood transfusion despite the negativity of this ...I still think the Russian court should reconsider because they are also very peace loving people who don't pose any violent threat to society

You are right.
Extremism is quite different from Violent/violence
People tend to mix both together.
Jehovah witness are Extremists, just like deeper life, Chosen members, Cherubim and Seraphim nd other white garment churches, but banning them is highly repulsive and silly

ex·trem·ist
ikˈstrēməst/
noun
a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, especially one who resorts to or advocates extreme action.
"political extremists"
synonyms: fanatic, radical, zealot, fundamentalist, hard-liner, dogmatic, militant, activist; informalultra
"with little to gain from moderation, the extremists rule the day"

weedtheweeds:
You are seriously funny. People come to your house and you drive them away by asking them to pray and knowing that they will decline your request. for 30 years you have done this and not a day has it occurred to you to ask them why they do not pray when they visit you. Now, you approached a JW online and asked him to explain to you why they do not pray. Shouldn't you ask for prayers before he explains to you? or, does your "let us pray" antic exclude the internet? I like to give people fair chances in life and I hate oppression. I always love to stand by the oppressed.
If I were a JW, I wouldn't reply your question. It is absolute stupidity. You have already drawn to a conclusion by saying that they are only interested in selling journals. I have a friend who is a JW and he has never sold a journal to me. I might not agree with him 100% but I can never make a statement like yours on a forum.

If asking a visitor in my house to pray with me would drive them out of my house, then I am better off without such guests. I don't need friends that can't pray with me. Which is easier to do? Prayer with someone you want to win to your side or walk away?

weedtheweeds:
I do not blame the JW cos every one of them willingly accepts their beliefs. You cannot force someone to live by your standard because you think it is right. There is religious freedom and you must let people enjoy theirs. There are monks who light themselves up and they are celebrated, there are churches that do not take medicines and no one says a thing. Some people will never have a surgery even if it will save their lives, some will never accept to be injected even if they have to die for it. Are you constructively arguing when you are ripping people off their right to religion? Think again, bro.
As far as your beliefs do not hurt me and the world, it is fine by me. You cannot dictate how people live and what they should believe. My cousin got a serious disease from a blood transfusion, so that is not the best option either. I hate this rigid way Nigerians decide issues as if they are the best thinkers. Try to do some research before you assume you are so knowledgeable.

You appear to be speaking from two sides of your mouth.
So I should not enjoy my religious freedom because JW members want to preach to me. In my house, it's prayer first.

Hairyrapunzel:


But they still allow the unclean ones into their meetings #hypocrisy
Bible never said we should shun anyone. There is something wrong in shunning someone who no longer believes what you believe or who leaves your religion
They don't follow the bible they follow their governing body members rule

Only a cult will make family and friends shun you when you leave it.

Mr. Read your Bible a little bit more

The below was gotten from wikipaedia

Excommunication is an institutional act of religious censure used to deprive, suspend, or limit membership in a religious community or to restrict certain rights within it, in particular receiving of the sacraments. The term is often historically used to refer specifically to Catholic excommunications from the Catholic Church, but it is also used more generally to refer to similar types of institutional religious exclusionary practices and shunning among other religious groups. For instance, many Protestant denominations have similar practices of excusing congregants from church communities, while Jehovah's Witnesses, as well as the Churches of Christ, use the term "disfellowship" to refer to their form of excommunication.

I guess none of these people saw anything related to shunning in the Bible, so we are all extremists.

thinkmoney:
I made front page for the first time. Ho mine, what a sense of fulfilment. My Muslim brothers, ebami gboloun tobi! Christian brothren, may una help me shout hallelujah oo.

Front page after sixty-five (65) topics! You don try.

I shout Hallelujah! on your behalf

beckyemma:
Jehovah will continue to fight for his people
this makes us strong and ever more determined

Enough of this persecution complex you people have. your religion isnt the only banned religion in russia.

Hairyrapunzel:


Enough of this persecution complex you people have. your religion isnt the only banned religion in russia.

So you will even begrudge people the right to pray to their God...you are one angry human.

Maximus85:


On behalf of the other Jw calling you names, pls don't be offended. See, we are not all the same. We are all imperfect but trying to do things perfect. We have different temper as well.

Now to the Goliath issue. Jehovah's Witnesses study the Bible intently. What if we say there were more than one Goliath? The two Goliaths were both Giants and wicked. What if Goliath wasn't their real name but a nickname given to people of their marmot sizes?
Do I have proof? Yes! What of Pharaoh? How many Pharaoh was mentioned in the Bible? Is Pharaoh a name or a title? So, the Goliaths are definitely not the same. David killed one, Elhanan killed the other. There's no contradiction.

My brother well done ooo, I am learning something. Which Cong?

Point to deduce from this development
1) looking beyond Russia portrayals of itself as a defender of the weak and a check to western excesses. Their society still has huge deficiencies when it comes to human right.
2) if you are an avid student of the bible, you will agree with me that persecution especially if you have not done any thing to warrant it, his a sign of God backing. Jesus prophesied that his true followers will be hated and persecuted.
3) to show to you this group are complete opposite of extremist. They wount even consider peaceful demonstration march as a way of showing their sense of victimization.
4) nowhere have I heard, since this group more than a 100years of existence, that they have carried out any armed confrontation or that they have inspired armed attack or resistance by their doctrine. NO WHERE!!! People that wount even take up arms for any nation at the risk of torture and imprisonment during the world wars.

cosade:


Front page after sixty-five (65) topics! You don try.

I shout Hallelujah! on your behalf

Any one wey u talk. Thanks for the hallelujah sha.

Our Lord Jesus Christ said "a servant is not above his master....if they persecuted me, they will also persecute you".The existing persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia only goes to show that they are the true followers of Christ

rabzy:


So you will even begrudge people the right to pray to their God...you are one angry human.

When you ban family and friends from associating with people who leave your religion then don complain when people ban your religion in your country

Russia never stopped anybody from praying to their God you can pray anywhere early christians prayed in their houses. Kingdom Hall is not even mentioned in the Bible

anneboleyn:
Our Lord Jesus Christ said "a servant is not above his master....if they persecuted me, they will also persecute you".The existing persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia only goes to show that they are the true followers of Christ

The persecution of christians in Iraq shows Christianity is the true religion
Number of jws killed by Russians = zero
Number of christians killed by isis = numerous

Hairyrapunzel:


The persecution of christians in Iraq shows Christianity is the true religion
Number of jws killed by Russians = zero
Number of christians killed by isis = numerous

So the number of people of a particular sect killed, shows how true/ 'supreme' their teachings are?