thinkmoney:
Point to deduce from this development
1) looking beyond Russia portrayals of itself as a defender of the weak and a check to western excesses. Their society still has huge deficiencies when it comes to human right.
2) if you are an avid student of the bible, you will agree with me that persecution especially if you have not done any thing to warrant it, his a sign of God backing. Jesus prophesied that his true followers will be hated and persecuted.
3) to show to you this group are complete opposite of extremist. They wount even consider peaceful demonstration match as a way of showing their sense of victimization.
4) nowhere have I heard, since this group more than a 100years of existence, that they have carried out any armed confrontation or that they have inspired armed attack or resistance by their doctrine. NO WHERE!!! People that wount even take up arms for any nation at the risk of torture and imprisonment during the world wars.

But they believe that their Jehovah will kill billions of non jws including children in Armageddon so that their new system will come and they will inherit earth and take worldly people's possessions
You don't need to carry arms or kill people before you are considered an extremist if your doctrine causes death of members I think that religion is extreme

Successobed:
Ain't this crazy though? Muslims way dey form terrosim dey kill people up and down them no ban them na Jehovah's witnesses them see to ban

mumu, this is how Christian incite violence, what concern this issue with Muslim.

Snow5:


Very annoying..

That's to tell you the way this world is going morally.. It's sickening.

This world suppose Don end since... I nor understand God sef

So you want God to come and kill billions i.e. 99.9% of the non jws. So you want God to come and commit mass genocide

OAUTemitayo:
Ignoramus.
You stated that Jehovah witness will appeal to one yeye ECHR that holds no leverage over Russia and i countered your wacky knowledge with proven facts and cases and you are still talking nonsense.
On what basis did you think Russian Justice Ministry requested that the Russian​Supreme court outlaw JW?
You really don't know anything about how international politics and law works.
FYI, I am not even a law student, but did some law course in part two which seems more valuable than your wasted five years of studying law in your comatose University.
Nonsense

No wonder your stupidity is of such epic proportions. You don't even understand the rudiments of international treaty law because you are not a lawyer and yet your mediocre intellect is putting itself forward as an authority.
I also studied law and I took elective courses on both human rights law and international law. What LogicalMind says is largely accurate. Unless Russia formally initiates the process to disengage itself as a signatory to the treaty establishing the ECHR, it is still bound by the terms of the treaty.
Indeed there are still human rights cases arising as appeals from Russia pending on the dockets of the ECHR. Russia's objection is to the politicisation of human rights cases in such a way that it affects their sovereignty.
You must be one of those stupid OND students who took one or two introductory courses and suddenly believes himself to be an expert.
Leave law for those who earned their stripes by studying and passing the bar exams.

Hairyrapunzel:


But they believe that their Jehovah will kill billions of non jws including children in Armageddon so that their new system will come and they will inherit earth and take worldly people's possessions
You don't need to carry arms or kill people before you are considered an extremist if your doctrine causes death of members I think that religion is extreme

My brother, my quests is that u are either a Muslim or a Christian? Don't you hear in churches and mosques that God will fry billion if people in hell forever and ever? Do you consider the people that believes this as an extremist.

SlyCharlie:

So the number of people of a particular sect killed, shows how true/ 'supreme' their teachings are?

So banning a religion shows how true/supreme their teaching are? #hypocrisy

Hairyrapunzel:


But they believe that their Jehovah will kill billions of non jws including children in Armageddon so that their new system will come and they will inherit earth and take worldly people's possessions
You don't need to carry arms or kill people before you are considered an extremist if your doctrine causes death of members I think that religion is extreme

My brother, my quess is that u are either a Muslim or a Christian? Don't you hear in churches and mosques that God will fry billion if people in hell forever and ever? Do you consider the people that believes this as an extremist.
And how, with proof pls as their doctrine cause death.
My brother, pls let us be open minded and logical.

DirewolfofStark:


No wonder your stupidity is of such epic proportions. You don't even understand the rudiments of international treaty law because you are not a lawyer and yet your mediocre intellect is putting itself forward as an authority.
I also studied law and I took elective courses on both human rights law and international law. What LogicalMind says is largely accurate. Unless Russia formally initiates the process to disengage itself as a signatory to the treaty establishing the ECHR, it is still bound by the terms of the treaty.
Indeed there are still human rights cases arising as appeals from Russia pending on the dockets of the ECHR. Russia's objection is to the politicisation of human rights cases in such a way that it affects their sovereignty.
You must be one of those stupid OND students who took one or two introductory courses and suddenly believes himself to be an expert.
Leave law for those who earned their stripes by studying and passing the bar exams.

Another Ignoramus on the loose.
The wackies that are destroying Nigeria judicial system with their emotional outbursts.
Russia already considers the JW as a threat to its security and would go to any length to stand it's ground.
How many cases decided by the Russian supreme court, overturned by the European court have you seen obeyed by Russia?
Awon smellow lawyers.
I studied this i studied that, that is the nonsense they will be churning out of their demented brains when they don't know NADA.
Who you epp with your law degree?
So many better lawyers know that Russia won't listen any fc.king ECHR or whatever you called it.
Next time before abusing people, correct the imbalances in your brain

Hairyrapunzel:


So banning a religion shows how true/supreme their teaching are? #hypocrisy

U are very daft.
Did I make any reference, to what u r hopelessly quoting me about??..
I just asked a simple question based on the post I quoted simple.
If u don't hve a sensible answer, pls don't quote me again.

thinkmoney:

My brother, my quess is that u are either a Muslim or a Christian? Don't you hear in churches and mosques that God will fry billion if people in hell forever and ever? Do you consider the people that believes this as an extremist.
And how, with proof pls as their doctrine cause death.
My brother, pls let us be open minded and logical.

Leave that narrow minded buffoon, who doesn't seem to know how to reason and reply logically, without stupid bias

Hairyrapunzel:


But you shun people who no longer believe or who leave your religion. Shunning is an extremist belief

Don't blame us. 2 John 10 & 11 says "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. "

We have bases for everything we do.

What else?

DirewolfofStark:


No wonder your stupidity is of such epic proportions. You don't even understand the rudiments of international treaty law because you are not a lawyer and yet your mediocre intellect is putting itself forward as an authority.
I also studied law and I took elective courses on both human rights law and international law. What LogicalMind says is largely accurate. Unless Russia formally initiates the process to disengage itself as a signatory to the treaty establishing the ECHR, it is still bound by the terms of the treaty.
Indeed there are still human rights cases arising as appeals from Russia pending on the dockets of the ECHR. Russia's objection is to the politicisation of human rights cases in such a way that it affects their sovereignty.
You must be one of those stupid OND students who took one or two introductory courses and suddenly believes himself to be an expert.
Leave law for those who earned their stripes by studying and passing the bar exams.

Fyi, i think you are very stupid​ too.
Nonsense

And what's the difference between JW and the other Christian denominations Are they not all Christians What is with this dichotomy. Its very Clear Christians are THEIR own problem.

Actually am against this because I don't consider this people as extremists though i despise things like blood transfusion rejection.
However, if any brain maggot thinks that one yeye court in Europe can override the supreme court of Russia then such a person needs to have his head examined.
Russia doesn't obey any law against his supreme court decisions.
Fact

Hairyrapunzel:

When you ban family and friends from associating with people who leave your religion then don complain when people ban your religion in your country

Russia never stopped anybody from praying to their God you can pray anywhere early christians prayed in their houses. Kingdom Hall is not even mentioned in the Bible

Am not talking about Russia, someone said a prayer for protection and you could not even leave that alone... You had to call it persecution complex.

Talking about bans, Jesus said we should ban/shun unrepentant believers, Paul said the same thing. The Russian orthodox church bans/excommunicated people, Catholic Church do and countless other churches. Why are they not banned too. Why single out the witnesses... I guess you see why the persecution complex is real.

Dongreat:
Believe me if these people knock your door by 6.00am when you dey prepare to go hustle money for house rent, then you will agree they are extremists.

I swear to God my guy
Last year i dey my room for 2nd floor wey i de live
My bros comot so him just close d door without locking
Next thing person knock my room door
I open am only to see j witnesses
Na para i para for those ppl eh
D main wahala v say dem nor respect privacy
Even if u dey toilet for tenth floor u go shock as person go open d toulet door say hin wan share word of God

You can go ahead and quote all my comments here on Nairaland. I am sure that you have seen that I am a sharp shooter even if you were my friend. I am being consistent and that is what being true to yourself means. If you respect your religious freedom you wouldn't make a conclusive comment of that sort about other religious sects (the JW). If you respect religious freedom you would have understood that the only way to understand the doctrines of others is by learning which you declined for 30 years. You think you know much about them to draw such a conclusive remark? Well, it doesn't seem so. Your stupidity became clear when you asked one of them here on Nairaland to explain why they do not pray? You are not a child, Sir! You want your religious right to be respected and you have clearly judged another religious sect because they decline your request. You have no respect for their own doctrines (maybe not to pray with strangers or whatever). It is a shame

cosade:


If asking a visitor in my house to pray with me would drive them out of my house, then I am better off without such guests. I don't need friends that can't pray with me. You are probably in your 40ies or 50ies and you should have known better. Why did you ask that question on Nairaland? That is my argument. For you to have asked that question, it means you have no respect for your belief or you have none. I cannot imagine a grown man who sends people away for not praying before preaching suddenly ask the same people he sends away why they do not pray. You should have asked the question when they visited you in a period of 30 years. Now, would you expect the person you asked that question online to pray before answering? It is just a mere case of silliness. I am sure you know what I am talking about. And whereby you do not know why they do not pray, it gives me more reason to believe that you know nothing about these people. Which brings me to the next question, why did you make such libellous remark about a sect that you know nothing about? Which is easier to do? Prayer with someone you want to win to your side or walk away?
I truly wonder who would want to win a person like you to his side. Has anyone ever told you that he wanted to win you to his side?



You appear to be speaking from two sides of your mouth.
So I should not enjoy my religious freedom because JW members want to preach to me. In my house, it's prayer first.

Did you request for prayer when you asked that question? I do not think the JW would force you to listen. If you do not want to listen, it is your choice. So, why making that so pronounced as if you are being deprived prayers or the gospel you declined to hear?
Na wa for Nigerians o.

So how about the killing of the JW by the Nazi. should we also call the Soviets extremists? Or are you not enlightened enough? What do you know about the law? Have you ever heard of human right? Can you list shreds of evidence of where shunning has caused suicide? Shunning also happens in Islam do you know? have you ever seen any Muslim who converts to Christian? Do they let him live? I just believe that you are ignorant and you speak from what you have been fed by the media. you have no substance at all.

Hairyrapunzel:


You don't have to massacre or kill people with weapons before labelling any group as extremist. You may prevent people from accepting blood transfusion, you tell family and friends to shun people who no longer believe in your religion, shunning can lead to sucide you look forward to the day your jehovah commit mass manslaughter or genocide of non jws. You spread hate against other religions shows you are an extremist

There is absolutely no instruction or teaching of the Jehovah's witnesses that forbids them from praying when they come to your house. I wouldn't know what environment you were in when they called St your place.
But if I happen to meet you on the street and you ask me to pray with you before preaching I will likely tell you why it won't be possible and I will most likely schedule an appointment with you so as to meet in a dignify in place and not only discuss with you, but also pray with you.

cosade:




You did not address the issue raised and it is disrespectful to call someone's life experience, a lie.




Hmmnn circumstances warranting not praying in every places, so what are these circumstances?

If you come to my house and I requested we should pray before our discussion and you think my house is "every place" which is easier to do? Pray with me or walk out? Each time this happens, your members would prefer walking out. I just don't get it.

JayJohnson:
Before nko, what are they?

I lost for words to describe ur manner of reasoning"Gudluck with it tho"

Russia made a big mistake,God bless my christain brothers and sisters in russia

chiraqDemon:

I swear to God my guy
Last year i dey my room for 2nd floor wey i de live
My bros comot so him just close d door without locking
Next thing person knock my room door
I open am only to see j witnesses
Na para i para for those ppl eh
D main wahala v say dem nor respect privacy
Even if u dey toilet for tenth floor u go shock as person go open d toulet door say hin wan share word of God

Lololol, your Bros open your door down without locking, the JW did not enter your opened room, but he knocked the door and you come open am. How did he invade your privacy abi wetin you want make he do. Make he shout your name or what.

odehaj:
I know that JW understand the Bible upside down & are confused but..the maker of this video should plssss retract it,don't make a fool of yourself just because you want to prove a point.

Even unbelievers know that David killed Goliath, so when a new bible changes things we can tell that it's from satan himself.
All I did was quote the bible.

Maximus85:


On behalf of the other Jw calling you names, pls don't be offended. See, we are not all the same. We are all imperfect but trying to do things perfect. We have different temper as well.

Now to the Goliath issue. Jehovah's Witnesses study the Bible intently. What if we say there were more than one Goliath? The two Goliaths were both Giants and wicked. What if Goliath wasn't their real name but a nickname given to people of their marmot sizes?
Do I have proof? Yes! What of Pharaoh? How many Pharaoh was mentioned in the Bible? Is Pharaoh a name or a title? So, the Goliaths are definitely not the same. David killed one, Elhanan killed the other. There's no contradiction.

Thanks for your empathy, I am not offended as the bible is clear that if you speak the truth you will be hated.

Please don't make us laugh there was only one Goliath, if you check the KJV which came centurires before the Watch Tower Bible .
it's clear that Elhanan killed the BROTHER not Goliath himself.

There were not that many giants around then to share names please.

2 Samuel 21:19
And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

Please why wont God use the real name of Goliath but a nick name, see how you deceive yourself.

Pharaoah was a title not a name, please stop deceiving yourselfs.

Now the KJV not only states that Elhanan slew the brother but also stated clearly that it's the brother.
Funny enough even your own faulty bible elsewhere states that Elhanan slew the brother correctly.
Your own bible used the same description to describe David & Goliath to show that it's the same person.

1 Samuel 17 (NWT)
4 And a champion began to go out from the camps of the Philis´tines,
his name being Goliath, from Gath, his height being six cubits and a span.
7 And the wooden shaft of his spear was like the beam of loom workers
51 And David continued running and got to stand over the Philis´tine. Then he took his sword and pulled it out of its sheath and definitely put him to death when he cut his head off with it. And the Philis´tines got to see that their mighty one had died, and they took to flight.

Please my brother it's a known thing that your church is not of God, which should not come as a surprise since your founder was a freemason.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2Mg_NBL5Y

nevilbot:


the maker of this video and whoever blivs him and shares it are just dumb. u just showed that u dont even read or know wat is in ur bible and went rushing to make a video thereby showing ur level of ignorance to people who actually study the bible. instead of rushing to make a stupid video thinking u av hit jackpot, U should av checked and compared other bible translations to ur so called Jw bible to see if that verse was made up by Jw as u claim. since u are so lazy to make a research, Let me help u with other bible translations

New World Translation (ur so called jw bible)
2Sa 21:19 And war broke out again with the Phi·lisʹtines at Gob, and El·haʹnan the son of Jaʹa·re-orʹe·gim the Bethʹle·hem·ite struck down Go·liʹath the Gitʹtite, whose spear had a shaft like the beam of loom workers

I believe I addressed your questions above.

Nevertheless here is another video to show that your bible is satanic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nlb0pKfEWs

chiedu7:

Even unbelievers know that David killed Goliath, so when a new bible changes things we can tell that it's from satan himself.
All I did was quote the bible.



Thanks for your empathy, I am not offended as the bible is clear that if you speak the truth you will be hated.

Please don't make us laugh there was only one Goliath, if you check the KJV which came centurires before the Watch Tower Bible .
it's clear that Elhanan killed the BROTHER not Goliath himself.

There were not that many giants around then to share names please.

2 Samuel 21:19
And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

Please why wont God use the real name of Goliath but a nick name, see how you deceive yourself.

Pharaoah was a title not a name, please stop deceiving yourselfs.

Now the KJV not only states that Elhanan slew the brother but also stated clearly that it's the brother.
Funny enough even your own faulty bible elsewhere states that Elhanan slew the brother correctly.
Your own bible used the same description to describe David & Goliath to show that it's the same person.

1 Samuel 17 (NWT)
4 And a champion began to go out from the camps of the Philis´tines,
his name being Goliath, from Gath, his height being six cubits and a span.
7 And the wooden shaft of his spear was like the beam of loom workers
51 And David continued running and got to stand over the Philis´tine. Then he took his sword and pulled it out of its sheath and definitely put him to death when he cut his head off with it. And the Philis´tines got to see that their mighty one had died, and they took to flight.

Please my brother it's a known thing that your church is not of God, which should not come as a surprise since your founder was a freemason.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2Mg_NBL5Y




I believe I addressed your questions above.

Nevertheless here is another video to show that your bible is satanic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nlb0pKfEWs

OK. Thanks. You are free to your own opinion. In the end, we will know who is satanic or not.

Hairyrapunzel:


So you want God to come and kill billions i.e. 99.9% of the non jws. So you want God to come and commit mass genocide

Oh yeah hypocrites .. Don't miss quote my post..

Abeg.. Waka your own go jejely

Maximus85:


OK. Thanks. You are free to your own opinion. In the end, we will know who is satanic or not.

Explain why your bible attributed goliaths death to someone else. ?
When the KJV correctly pointed out that he was killed by David?

chiraqDemon:

I swear to God my guy
Last year i dey my room for 2nd floor wey i de live
My bros comot so him just close d door without locking
Next thing person knock my room door
I open am only to see j witnesses
Na para i para for those ppl eh
D main wahala v say dem nor respect privacy
Even if u dey toilet for tenth floor u go shock as person go open d toulet door say hin wan share word of God

Nah wetin people nor dey understand. Oyibo love privacy and when you dey worry about house rent, baby food or heartbreak or shit dey catch you nah then you go see J witness. Their movement and loud speakers for Nigeria church nah same thing.

cidieschat:
Thought they are not submissive to human government?wont even recite the pledge? Why seek refuge in a human court of appeal?

Read Act 28: 18-20

18 And after making an examination, they wanted to release me, for there were no grounds for putting me to death. 19 But when the Jews objected, I was compelled to appeal to Caesar, but not because I had any accusation to make against my nation. 20 So for this reason I asked to see and speak to you, for it is because of the hope of Israel that I have this chain around me.”

So you there goes the Answer to your question "Why seek refuge from Human Court of Appeal"

thinkmoney:

My brother, my quests is that u are either a Muslim or a Christian? Don't you hear in churches and mosques that God will fry billion if people in hell forever and ever? Do you consider the people that believes this as an extremist.

Thank God you said hell not earth

Hairyrapunzel:

Thank God you said hell not earth

See hairyrapunzel, go sleep, We are talking of the believe that God will kill here, does it matter the stage?How old are u self? Because this way u dey argue self, I no understand?

Dongreat:
Believe me if these people knock your door by 6.00am when you dey prepare to go hustle money for house rent, then you will agree they are extremists.

why una be like this? Who have they killed ?

SlyCharlie:

U are very daft.
Did I make any reference, to what u r hopelessly quoting me about??..
I just asked a simple question based on the post I quoted simple.
If u don't hve a sensible answer, pls don't quote me again.

Banning a religion or killing people does not make it a true religion. You are the person who is daft I was talking to someone and you took the case ode