bebe2:


Obviously dat will be stupid.

But am talking the average Nigerian dat no hope and no connection, whose mum sells akamu and dad stands on the road waiting for day labour, they live in a single room with 5 other kids?

komekn:


I am amazed at the number of Nigerians bidding time in Agadez end route to Libya, and then cross the Mediterranean with high odds of loosing your life.

Why, why Essentially all hope is lost. Aspiration has been murdered and dreams have been destroyed.

Empathy requires that you understand, appreciate and even feel the circumstance of others.

I discourage people coming into the UK I tell them the reality of leading an undocumented life without legal immigration status. Now it may seem ludicrous and irrational to me.

But when I empathise I discover, what I call undue stress is minor inconvenience, what I call denigration is small humiliation, what I call uncertainty is certainty to them and what I call pain may seem like comfort.

What we should be doing is giving people as much information to make the best choices available to them. To enable them avoid as many pitfalls as possible.

In the current situation where for so many hope is lost. We will continue to see people play lottery with thier lives on the most perilous journeys to leave Nigeria. So let's give them as much information as possible to make that journey without losing thier life and soul.

bjhaid:
not even my friend, I mean my bro, why should I exaggerate things? I don't even count it as big deal.

poshestmina:
Very true .I think they don't want anybody coming over to be a burden to them especially friends and not too close relatives .Btw i'm in Nigeria .

Pidgin2:



Define hell, you don't live here yet you say all this nonsense. Smh

AreaFada2:


My dear, she has to pass the killer medical exam (board certification exam actually) called USMILE. It should be called UCRY really.

MOST foreign trained doctors MUST take & pass it. Only few people deemed to be exceptional talent/of expertise get a waiver. A former prof, an acclaimed cancer expert was one of them. He used to work two weeks in UK & two weeks in USA per month. His USA pay doubled the UK pay.

USMILE is a three step/stage licensing exam. The first step alone, the basic science that underpins medical practice is 8 hours long, with around 280 questions in blocks of 1 hour tests. All taken in one day. From the UK, students take the exam previously by end of year 2 medical school. Being increasingly practice centered, taking it in year 3 is better now.

Step two is a 9 hours exam testing more of clinical skills, communication/interpersonal skills, spoken English, etc. Spoken English can be major barrier for many foreigners with heavy accent.

Step 3 takes two days. The final clinical stuff.

The most brilliant people do fail it. Some fail it twice even. A smart girl I know failed the nursing equivalent. An experienced UK nurse.

Good preparation is key.

InvertedHammer:
There is no point debating.

USA is very easy. So just enter plane and come.

Case closed. No be dollars? Na you go pluck tire.

femi4:
at least I ll enjoy uninterrupted power supply

InvertedHammer:

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She couldn't pass USMLE and ended up frustrated. That's all.

cosade:


Personal driver in US?
I am sure this close relative of yours is not telling you the truth.

bebe2:
Let me handle ur first paragraph, some of those pple have mental issues and substance abuse. There are hostels located around city centres for them to sleep, in cold weathers the staffs will take a mini bus to the streets and beg those pple to come to the hostel and sleep.

But because they are not a danger to others , the government can't bundle them to a psychiatric unit.

2nd paragraph, none of my relatives are in that condition I described. But thousands of pple are, and I feel for them not because I know them but they are humans like u and I.

There is a parable in my place that says, the chickens never look happy wen birds are being roasted. But it's different now, on this same forum yesterday, there was a picture of a baby lying on the ground, some thot he/she was sleeping others thot dead, there were over 50 pple there, nothing was done by any one of them they just took pictures and made videos. That doesn't even happen in the animal kingdom. Watch animal planet and u will understand.

Pls tell me again about Nigeria

jalay:


You already have a good Job, so chill!!

bignero:
@sukkot,salford etc
the pro negative abroad is bad mindset..Am not saying your wrong..all I have to say you all have a negative mind set to some extent..yes an average Nigerian has that mind set and you carried it over and that's what's is affecting you...cause 'wealth is of the mind" or better yet as a man thinks in his HEART so he is...Don't tell me this nation isn't a hell hole..because I know better...3 months after graduating in Nigeria here I got a job..in short thus far my cv is fairly decent...Am here in Ghana for holiday and I've seen that life in Nigeria is low life..irrespective of the class you belong to and pls remember that Ghana is not a developed nation...

Don't tell me a decent hardworking man, that comes legally won't make it there bro...I know better for in life like attracts like..if there's something wrong with the fruit, check the tree, the soil there is decent at least better than here..so what say ye? Nigeria is growing but it's growing backwards.

In summary what am saying is if one wishes to come work, legally and have some compensation and some BASIC human desires meet, don't tell me he can't especially when you have survived the jungle called Lagos..

Some one did the maths of Maybe a cleaner who earns 20usd per hr (not sure )but it was for menial job..and came up with 150k per week...you know people who earn such in Nigeria?..cooperate guys and I mean per month in niaja oo

4dor:


Lmao @ I will never understand. Let me tell you my story.

After loosing my job and was unemployed for a while, I had to drain my savings and got some money from my mum and I moved to the UK for my PG. At the time most people said I should have invested that money in a business but I was convinced that a degree in Software Engineering was what I needed.

When I got there I knew it wasn't going to be easy, but I kept my head up worked in the evenings at M&S did Security on weekends, paying my rent and other bills. I graduated with a good grade, was top 3 in my set and from that point my movement has been forward. So my brother, I understand maybe even more than you or have you ever travelled to a sleepy town for a security job that entails working for 12 straight hours? It was tough, yes but looking back it was the best decision I made for my life.

bjhaid:
okay, it's against work ethics and rule of law?

Mcowubaba:

Nah, I refuse your logic.

An American while staying in Nigeria, don't ever refer to American girls back in USA as Local chicks.

The name local chicks was structured by Nigerians in diaspora for Our Nigerian girls resident in Nigeria.

Don't lie to yourself, anyway no need to overstretch this.
Adios!

cosade:


It's about affordability. Domestic staff are expensive in US and other advanced countries.

Most people that I know working for US organizations have just one line salary, unlike what we have here:
Basic salary -
Transport all'ce -
Housing all'ce etc.

odimbannamdi:


Regarding the emboldened, i am wondering, what penalty will be meted out to them eventually? Will they be jailed in UK or deported back to Nigeria

Cc: Salford, Areafada2, bebe2

wildkris:

what do u know is average

sukkot:
a car with a personal driver in chicago ? lmaoooooooo people can lie for africa. i lived in chicago and there is no such thing as personal driver in chicago. nobody gives personal drivers. that is an african thing. just like housegirl is an african thing

AreaFada2:


Have you visited them?

Well try and visit. Please when you visit try to know all the bills they pay. Why they work so hard. Because if you see them in their current home, you will not see how much suffering, hard work & determination they put in to achieve what you now call "doing very well". Their years of struggle will not be seen.

Telling family members to visit is not because it is easy. It is generosity that many do not understand.

The kind of determination & hard work needed is massive, knowing you are your own.

The mentality that it is easy is why many relatives squander money sent from abroad.

From years of experience, I am aware that there is no point arguing it. Almost every Nigerian believes he knows everything, even America more than Donald Trump. Hence the shock many experience when eventually they get here.

lovelygurl:
Op that's not true. You just don't understand. I will never encourage someone above 25 to come to Germany. I mean forget it, you just WON'T cope and will have to settle for less. The language is the big deal here. People think it's very easy to learn a language, they don't even plan and most think Europe/America is a place where the streets are made of gold. Sometimes you have to be EXTREMELY patient, sometimes you will be forced to give up on your dreams etc.

The truth is the younger the better. You don't want to come here and do some jobs you don't want to, just because you can't speak the language and therefore have no other choice

TrapQueen77:

You're a good guy bro


Coz that's wat the reality & not only Nigerians are talking like that..ppol abroad discourage others to go abroad due to the bad experiences they've encountered..

But here is wat i can say..don't let these discouragements stop u from reaching ur dreams to go abroad...ur experience may be different from the others.

Don't lose hope & juz keep going..

Mcowubaba:
My take on this issue.
Most Nigerians think Coming abroad is the end to their problems and frustrations, so we just simply point out the facts, that's not discouragement.
And yes, there are lots of bills to pay, in Nigeria you can do without paying most of the bills, credit card not in the West.

Secondly, most Nigerians aspiring to come don't have a clear immigration plan, no legitimate plan set, the just want to cross and and FIND THEIR WAY (we all know what that means, mostly Illegal activities) , I also advise against this mentality.

What makes some of us look a bit rich when we come to Nigeria, is the FOREX EXCHANGE, with $6000 saved up, when we change the money to Naira, money go full everywhere.
This same $6000 can't even pay for a good decent apartment in NY for a year.. But it can pay for 3-5 years rent in Lekki, Ikoyi, Asukoro in Nigeria.

Now a case study.
The messed up Naira, really Makes Nigerians in diaspora look so successful. Especially if the Nigerian is very conscious in his/her saving and remittance of money to Nigeria.
You could be earning 18 dollars per hour/30-40 hours a week. 18*30= 540.
540 dollars is over 150k in Naira.
How many Nigerians earn the 150k per month, not to talk about per week.

factwriter:




Then this your (caliber of) friends are not whom this thread (OP) is counselling for.

The people in question here are the hand-to-mouth (though able bodied) folks, who would happily go through what you over there think is "hell" mainly because they are simply after "earning a living" while your (the diasporas) own ideology of a career is already obfuscated by the natural trappings of wealth, after living in the west for a while

An hungry man is asking you for a loaf of bread to sustain his soul and you went on ranting about the absence of cheese, jam, butter or coffee for him to gulp it down.

Does that makes sense

solasoulmusic:
I will encourage anyone if given the opportunity to travel to go no matter what you hear do research and save enough then go

You will only enjoy life when you see things for yourself I've lived abroad and it gave me a global perspective that may confuse the typical miopic mind. America is a nation that teaches others self dependence meaning you will learn how to be self reliant and honestly you will understand our true problem here and we are indeed selfishness.

I came back for musical inspiration lots of amazing sights and sounds here at home

Go anywhere your heart takes you but never forget where you come from

koboko69:


Most sensible post i have read. All I have been reading is just silly rhetorics....if u made it, others can do. What happened to u may not happen to others, every man has a different head. Non of my family members have ever discouraged me from immigrating (US particularly). In fact they have been encouraging me to come being single. Yes they sound it to u how it ain't easy at first but will still nake it clear that u can make it if u determine to....don't use others as ur yard stick. Many Nigerians go there and are carried away easily by the seemingly good life, a total contrast of what they experienced back home and before they know it, they have lost it entirely while their mates havr gone far. all u see here silly horrible stories, well u survived, others can do. Its mindset and focus. I personally have not made the decision not like i don't have the means. But i hate all this silly stories of how i slept in library how i did this and that, i mean even in Nigeria don't u go tru hell to make it. If they all survived why can't others? I only doscourage people trying to go illegally like crossing borders or tru other illegal means, but if u have legal means and actually get in legally...well whatever ur choice is after getting in legally, is your cup of tea. Your assertion is the best i read here.

bjhaid:
but you don't even know the coy and the nature of the job, and you concluded that the person I know very well is lying?

bebe2:


Let me handle ur first paragraph, some of those pple have mental issues and substance abuse. There are hostels located around city centres for them to sleep, in cold weathers the staffs will take a mini bus to the streets and beg those pple to come to the hostel and sleep.

But because they are not a danger to others , the government can't bundle them to a psychiatric unit.

2nd paragraph, none of my relatives are in that condition I described. But thousands of pple are, and I feel for them not because I know them but they are humans like u and I.

There is a parable in my place that says, the chickens never look happy wen birds are being roasted. But it's different now, on this same forum yesterday, there was a picture of a baby lying on the ground, some thot he/she was sleeping others thot dead, there were over 50 pple there, nothing was done by any one of them they just took pictures and made videos. That doesn't even happen in the animal kingdom. Watch animal planet and u will understand.

Pls tell me again about Nigeria