Ibime:


There is no dispute there. That is fact.

Was Kante not in that midfield before 343?

Nihilist:


Was Kante not in that midfield before 343?

Without Kante, 3-4-3 would not win league.

Even at that, I don't think hensben or any Chelsea fan or any Premier League manager last season can claim he had idea that can use 3-4-3 to win league. It was not part of the conversation. That is what we call Bluewater thinking - or in IT, you call it disrupting.

Ibime:


Without Kante, 3-4-3 would not win league.

Even at that, I don't think hensben or any Chelsea fan or any Premier League manager last season can claim he had idea that can use 3-4-3 to win league. It was not part of the conversation. That is what we call Bluewater thinking - or in IT, you call it disrupting.

I'm not trying to downgrade Kante at all bruv. Of course he played a massive part in the title win.

The angle I was tackling was midfield talk.

Nihilist:


I'm not trying to downgrade Kante at all bruv. Of course he played a massive part in the title win.

The angle I was tackling was midfield talk.

Matic and Fabregas midfield cannot win league.

Last time we won league, Zouma had to see us through as an emergency DM when teams sussed out to get at our midfield.

Zouma cannot win league in other words.

Kante has provided the midfield difference two years in a row now.

That's before going into Luiz replacing Terry and Alonso ostensibly replacing Ivanovic/Rahman.

Ibime:


Matic and Fabregas midfield cannot win league.

Last time we won league, Zouma had to see us through as an emergency DM when teams sussed out to get at our midfield.

Zouma cannot win league in other words.

Kante has provided the midfield difference two years in a row now.

That's before going into Luiz replacing Terry and Alonso ostensibly replacing Ivanovic/Rahman.

What I know is that before the switch to 343, it didn't look like we could win the league either.. yet we had the players.

That was what led me to cuss Conte out when he suggested that maybe our players were not good enough.

As soon as he played an extra defender, our story changed to the point where it became obvious to all that we really only needed one DM, as Matic mostly ghosted through the season.

Kante was able to shine so bright precisely because Conte solved the defensive conundrum, and that switch is the root cause of our win...not an improved midfield

In my own opinion o,

It's 343>Kante>Hazard>Costa>Fabregas

Nihilist:


What I know is that before the switch to 343, it didn't look like we could win the league either.. yet we had the players.

That was what led me to cuss Conte out when he suggested that maybe our players were not good enough.

As soon as he played an extra defender, our story changed to the point where it became obvious to all that we really only needed one DM, as Matic mostly ghosted through the season.

Kante was able to shine so bright precisely because Conte solved the defensive conundrum, and that switch is the root cause of our win...not an improved midfield

In my own opinion o,

It's 343>Kante>Hazard>Costa>Fabregas

Beauty of hindsight.

Nobody was talking 3-4-3 as possible solution until Kante implemented it.

Ibime:


Beauty of hindsight.

Nobody was talking 3-4-3 as possible solution until Kante implemented it.

I see what you did there.


The 343 is not that different to a 433 with a DM. And if you go back and check people were requesting 433 with Luiz as DM on this thread.

People were also expecting 352. Go and check.

Of course, 343 would not occur naturally to non-footy professionals like most of us on this forum who have be raised on more traditional formations, but that's why Conte is paid millions....not us.

Either way, 343 was the turning point bro. Ask Wenger.

Ibime:


Another nonsense.

Hazard under JM in 14/15 = 32 goals + assists and 8th in WPOTY.
Hazard this season = 23 goals + assists (including penalties)

Nobody told Hazard to turn up pregnant and unfit for preseason last year. Stop blaming manager.

You didn't get my point. In the world stat mongers think he's not up there with the best, mou called him out after psg game that he didn't defend enough, he had an injury. Do you want to deny the fact that mou was behind our woeful performance last season. The whole players performed below average not just hazard.

hensben:
You didn't get my point. In the world stat mongers think he's not up there with the best, mou called him out after psg game that he didn't defend enough, he had an injury. Do you want to deny the fact that mou was behind our woeful performance last season. The whole players performed below average not just hazard.

Hazard performance last season is mostly on his head for turning up pregnant after the summer break. At least Hazard should have had an average season eg 9 goals, 8 assists if it's because the whole team is affected. . . . not actually becoming one of the worst players on the team like he did.

The fact remains that if you say defensive manager was holding Hazard back, you must show attacking returns this season better than JM tenure. Hazard attacking returns in every season he played under Mourinho is better that this season, except for the season he chose to show up pregnant after eating pork and beans all summer.

Chelseafan1:


Omo, dem fire me for ds thread no be small.

Na only me, Airmark and Hensben dey talk am say Mourinho dey live on past glory....bros don finish.

He was looking like mumu, forming boss, losing points every week. Ivanovic was leaking goals, turning averaged wingers to sudden stars, as fans burnt monies on tickets, wasting their time waiting for miracle. His time has passed. Some plastic chelsea fans even wanted conte to fail cos of mou's ouster. I am a chelsea fan first, i wish him all the worst at man utd. Down must man utd and the coach go.

Ibime:


Without Kante, 3-4-3 would not win league.

Even at that, I don't think hensben or any Chelsea fan or any Premier League manager last season can claim he had idea that can use 3-4-3 to win league. It was not part of the conversation. That is what we call Bluewater thinking - or in IT, you call it disrupting.

I didn't see the league coming home but I knew for sure we have the players to compete Unlike you that make it seem manure and man city will be invincible.

airmark:


He was looking like mumu, forming boss, losing points every week. Ivanovic was leaking goals, turning averaged wingers to sudden stars, as fans burnt monies on tickets, wasting their time waiting for miracle. His time has passed. Some plastic chelsea fans even wanted conte to fail cos of mou's ouster. I am a chelsea fan first, i wish him all the worst at man utd. Down must man utd and the coach go.

Amin, Amen, Ashe.....

hensben:
I didn't see the league coming home but I knew for sure we have the players to compete Unlike you that make it seem manure and man city will be invincible.

You mean last season or this?

Nihilist:

The 343 is not that different to a 433 with a DM. And if you go back and check people were requesting 433 with Luiz as DM on this thread.

Luiz signed this season. What we are fact-checking is hensben statement that we had the team to win last season.

With which midfield?

We have already fact-checked his erroneous claim that Hazard was being held back by defensive manager, when his attacking returns this season is not up to any season under Mourinho except for his pregnant season.

Ibime:


You mean last season or this?

This season.

hensben:
This season.

No, you said Mourinho made people to believe the players weren't good enough last season but you always believed we had the players to win the league. Yet you can't tell me which midfield you planned to win the league with.

And don't try any funny business stating that I wrote off our chances this season. My comments were made end of last season before we signed Kante and Conte.

I have been the voice calling for midfield reinforcement on this thread for the last 5 years, and the first to recommend Kante whilst you thought Mikel and Ramires would win league for you last season.

I'm still waiting for you to back your statement that defensive manager was holding back Hazard. All I need is facts on ground, not populist hogwash that has no basis in reality. This is Hazards least productive season except the season he chose to become a fatboy.

http://talksport.com/football/hes-too-fat-hidden-hazard-slated-chelsea-supporters-150912166301

airmark:


He was looking like mumu, forming boss, losing points every week. Ivanovic was leaking goals, turning averaged wingers to sudden stars, as fans burnt monies on tickets, wasting their time waiting for miracle. His time has passed. Some plastic chelsea fans even wanted conte to fail cos of mou's ouster. I am a chelsea fan first, i wish him all the worst at man utd. Down must man utd and the coach go.

You are suffering from constipation!

Ibime:
Manure holding talks with Mourinho according to BBC.

JM at Manure, Pep at City. Its a wrap for Chelsea for the next 3 years.

Emenalos destruction of Chelsea is complete. It has been a gradual process since 2011. From a team that always competed for Premier League and always made semis of UCL. . . to also rans.

How far....

Funlord2:



You are suffering from constipation!

Ibime:


Very soon you will know the difference between an african predator and english prey, difference between Traore and rashidiford.

This is Hazards least productive season except the season he chose to become a fatboy.

This is debatable, only that i'm a bit busy now. Hazard's points per game in epl this season is more than that of 2014/2015 season.

Introducing the digger of the season, His excellency, Lordfalcao. He has the power of 99 hausa diggers. Be prepared to see many solid minerals brought out from the innermost part of this land. They may be useful to the up barka fans, manchester disunited fans and the wengerout fans, to temporarily relieve their sorrows. Happy viewing guys.

bigkesh:
This summer is super important......We won't be winning the league for the next 3 years no matter what we do unless we spend madly but we just have to make things right..


Simeone or nothing.... No risky appointments,Allegri and Conte can Bleep off

Say what

bigkesh:
:DMahrez is what we all think Hazard is!!

Mahrez is Neymar and Hazard combined

my brother are you sure?? You too like joke.. Na why you tell us musonda is a better player than Pedro..

Ibime:


2011-2014, did we even get close to competing for title?

How can Chelsea compete for title in next 3 years with JM running Manure and Pep running City?

And a buffoon running Chelsea!

My brother 1 season is already gone..

Ibime:


2011 to 2014 is 4 years!

2010 was pre-Emenalo taking over as TD and 2015 was due to JM getting power to take the team in his direction.

Next 3 years, no league title for Chelsea. You can quote it.

yea I did quote it...

Boss lordfalcao u r in the mood.

lordfalcao:
my brother are you sure??

Every human being knows I was joking

Abeg shift

lordfalcao:
Say what

If you want to get stupid likes I suggest you get it from somewhere else

'We have to get things right' is the keyword


Unless you show me your post saying Conte will win the league or will get it right before the Euros,then you should shut up