onyenze123:


Being gay is their sexual orientation. It is encoded in their DNA probably by the devil

They are gonna rot in hell anyway

lol

CatfishBilly:

They also forget that there are people who are asexual.
No sexual​ urge whatsoever and they were born like that.
Is that one also not natural and a sin according to the Bible?

Akiintom:


Bro, that must have been a curse from ancestral demon. Such a man must have come from a family of rapist.

As a punishment, Yahweh made him asexual!

If you doubt me, ask Dr olukoya of MFM.

For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Matthew 19:12

onyenze123:


Read:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2017/01/i-was-wrong-about-homosexuality/

Wait, why did you direct me there? That his friend was a good guy makes homosexuality right?

I thought was going into a scientific discovery or something.

Homosexuality is wrong on all levels.

If that guys see it as right that's him, he cannot over turn God's stance.

onyenze123:


Read:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2017/01/i-was-wrong-about-homosexuality/

My position has not been Bible or God based but purely my position so do not try to bring the God factor into it.

The question you should be asking yourself is this, What are the chances that you could become a great mind if you are exposed to people who are also great minds for a major part of your early years?

What are the chances that you would want to become a doctor if you grew up in a family of doctors?

The chances are pretty high yes?

Sexual enjoyment is like an experiment. People discover new techniques to sex everyday which is likened to sexual interests as well. Nobody becomes a full blown sexual expert in the homosexual life. It's a process.

They try something and find they like it and "hey it's not so bad" and they move on to the next step until they become "proudly" gay.

I have seen brothers sexually attracted to their sisters and vice versa but deep down they knew it was not right and willed themselves to come out of such urges.

There is a reason why a female sexual organ is not routed to her anus but to her vagina and there is a reason your faecal matter is routed through your anus. Both play specific roles which cannot be interchanged and indeed must not be.

There is also a reason why men have phallus of different sizes and women have elastic vaginas which are to accommodate what it receives. If the man only had a phallus then it would be OK to stick it anywhere but because the phallus ends with testicles which generate and store sperm and the female has the receptacle for this sperm and what would further process this sperm to become a child then it's foolishness to imagine that the phallus is meant to be stuck into someones bum in the name of sexual preference.

Everything has its match and fit. Ears for hearing, mouth for speaking, etc. Can you will your anus to start speaking like your mouth does simply because in some ways it looks like a mouth?

spacetacular:


Those engaged in it never knew it to be unnatural so the thought of it being a mental illness was not in their scope of reasoning. They chose to become msm or gay or lesbians etc but also knew they were not born that way but became so somewhere along the journey of their lives.

That point of change was when they made the choice under a certain conditioned mind or environment which even they know.

being attracted to same sex is not the same as actually having sex. I know some people under certain circumstances do things they wouldn't do otherwise eg in prisons some men who identify as heterosexuals have sex with their fellow men.
but there are people who are attracted to same sex and they didn't grow up among homosexuals they didn't have those sexual feelings for members of their gender by choice.

bennyann:





For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Matthew 19:12

asexuals are not eunuchs.they have the ability to have sex but they don't like the idea of having sex

frank317:


yes i realize and trust me, its quite scary. I hope the act is not so much by choice as they say.

But really if people wanna sleep with same sex, how does affect us. I still think the act, despite being disgusting, hurts no one

And that is my argument Brother Francis. I am not saying we should discriminate against them. I am not saying kill them. In fact as a Christian, I am supposed to love them. But my point is this. Making homosexuality acceptable as the norm will play a huge part in the sexual orientation of our kids. Imagine your kids watching movies (and cartoons these days) and seeing gay people all over. They will grow to see it as just another normal thing and don't be surprised when they start being gay. Also, how long before people start seeing incest and Bestiality as normal too?
CatfishBilly already says he has no problem with incest as long as they don't have children.

Pastafarian:

internet slang

I know

analice107:

Wait, why did you direct me there? That his friend was a good guy makes homosexuality right?

I thought was going into a scientific discovery or something.

Homosexuality is wrong on all levels.

If that guys see it as right that's him, he cannot over turn God's stance.

How can we know "God's stance"? where can we get it?

spacetacular:


Well science has neither proven homosexuality to be natural nor has it been proven to be unnatural. However behavioral analysts have come to see that environment and exposure plays a major role. .....


Freud himself had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable.

Good to see that homophobia is alive and kicking in this neck of the woods. Christian tolerance is a rarity.

On the subject of Freud, I would just mention that Freud In the “Three Essays”, developed the theory that the future homosexual child is so over-attached to his mother that he identifies with her and narcissistically seeks love objects like himself so he can love them like his mother loved him.

He also believed that homosexuality ("inversion" as he called it) could be the natural outcome of normal development in some people. He noted that homosexuality could occur in individuals who had no other signs of deviation and no impairment in their functioning. However, he did not view homosexuality as a sign of illness, by which he meant a symptom arising from psychic conflict. Instead, he saw homosexuality as the unconflicted expression of an innate instinct.

Finally, in his letter to an American mother (1935) he stated;

"Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation; it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function, produced by a certain arrest of sexual development…..”

this is Gish Gallop

spacetacular:


My position has not been Bible or God based but purely my position so do not try to bring the God factor into it.

The question you should be asking yourself is this, What are the chances that you could become a great mind if you are exposed to people who are also great minds for a major part of your early years?

doesn't negate the fact that there have been great minds who became great despite their being surrounded by smaller minds

What are the chances that you would want to become a doctor if you grew up in a family of doctors?

doesn't negate the fact that there are lots of doctors who grew up in highly illiterate families and environments

The chances are pretty high yes?

doesn't mean those doctors that came from illiterate and poor families have some psychological things wrong with them

Sexual enjoyment is like an experiment. People discover new techniques to sex everyday which is likened to sexual interests as well. Nobody becomes a full blown sexual expert in the homosexual life. It's a process.

I must've missed the message here, can you be more clear?

They try something and find they like it and "hey it's not so bad" and they move on to the next step until they become "proudly" gay.

this is absolute rubbish, I don't think I can possibly practise sex with a man and enjoy it more than I do with a woman no matter the number of times I would try to give it a try and decieve myself into thinking I'm enjoying it

I have seen brothers sexually attracted to their sisters and vice versa but deep down they knew it was not right and willed themselves to come out of such urges.

There is a reason why a female sexual organ is not routed to her and but to her vagina and there is a reason your faecal matter is routed through your anus. Both play specific roles which cannot be interchanged and indeed must not be.

There is also a reason why men have phallus of different sizes and women have elastic vaginas which are to accommodate what it receives. If the man only had a phallus then it would be OK to stick it anywhere but because the phallus ends with testicles which generate and store sperm and the female has the receptacle for this sperm and what would further process this sperm to become a child then it's foolishness to imagine that the phallus is meant to be stuck into someones bum in the name of sexual preference.

Everything has its match and fit. Ears for hearing, mouth for speaking, etc. Can you will your anus to start speaking like your mouth does simply because in some ways it looks like a mouth?

this is preaching to the choir

Superpower:
what about gay people that grew up without beign exposed to any form of homosexuality.how did they become gay

Exposure to gay people is not the only trigger. There are other triggers. There are kids who are naturally inquisitive and if not proper guided would extend their inquisitive nature to sexual interests. Today we have those engaged in sodomy, those who only derive sexual pleasure through pain or chocking or even lacerations. It's all due to "pushing the boundaries" of sexual pleasure.

Same way people can move from one pack of cigarettes a day to 8 packs a day. Some move from cigarettes to crack cocaine. It's about pushing the boundaries.

Some women today feel that they no longer can be satisfied by a single phallus so need more so engage in threesomes and multiple penetrations and still feel it's perfectly normal. Would you say those are right?

Akiintom:


Bro, that must have been a curse from ancestral demon. Such a man must have come from a family of rapist.

As a punishment, Yahweh made him asexual!

If you doubt me, ask Dr olukoya of MFM.

You are just too immature to have a discussion with, seriously.
Follow after Pastafarian or even Catfishbilly and learn conversational dictums.

Pastafarian:
I forsee another popcorn time coming

Trouble maker

proudafrogal:


being attracted to same sex is not the same as actually having sex. I know some people under certain circumstances do things they wouldn't do otherwise eg in prisons some men who identify as heterosexuals have sex with their fellow men.
but there are people who are attracted to same sex and they didn't grow up among homosexuals they didn't have those sexual feelings for members of their gender by choice.

Believe it or not as long as you have mind to reason with then EVERYTHING is by choice.

ilynem:

And that is my argument Brother Francis. I am not saying we should discriminate against them. I am not saying kill them. In fact as a Christian, I am supposed to love them. But my point is this. Making homosexuality acceptable as the norm will play a huge part in the sexual orientation of our kids. Imagine your kids watching movies (and cartoons these days) and seeing gay people all over. They will grow to see it as just another normal thing and don't be surprised when they start being gay. Also, how long before people start seeing incest and Bestiality as normal too?
CatfishBilly already says he has no problem with incest as long as they don't have children.

for me personally I don't really see homosexuality as a threat the real threat is transgenderism lol.

anyway I understand what you mean. but things change morality evolves slavery, child marriage, selling off women in the name of marriage was normal. but change is constant. but we shouldn't accept everything simply because it's new and seen as progressive and we shouldn't condemn everything because an ancient book written by men with limited scientific knowledge told us to.

analice107:

You are just too immature to have a discussion with, seriously.
Follow after Pastafarian or even Catfishbilly and learn conversational dictums.

Replying him once was the biggest mistake I made on NL. Swore never to do it again.

bennyann:

Trouble maker

For people who think that Homosexuality is a mental disorder, I'll just drop this here.
https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/apa-blog/2016/03/homosexuality-as-a-mental-disorder-simply-not-backed-up-by-science
There is no research whatsoever to back up claims that growing up around homosexuals, could be a trigger, same way that there's no proof that growing up around serial killers, rapists, or schizophrenics could make them develop those traits.
Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the past doesn't make it one, as newer research came out, it was reclassified. Pre menstrual syndrome and Hysteria were all classified as mental disorders in the past.
I agree 100% with proudafrogal submissions.

spacetacular:


Exposure to gay people is not the only trigger. There are other triggers. There are kids who are naturally inquisitive and if not proper guided would extend their inquisitive nature to sexual interests. Today we have those engaged in sodomy, those who only derive sexual pleasure through pain or chocking or even lacerations. It's all due to "pushing the boundaries" of sexual pleasure.

Same way people can move from one pack of cigarettes a day to 8 packs a day. Some move from cigarettes to crack cocaine. It's about pushing the boundaries.

Some women today feel that they no longer can be satisfied by a single phallus so need more so engage in threesomes and multiple penetrations and still feel it's perfectly normal. Would you say those are right?

why do you feel beign gay is all about sex.it is attraction to persons of the same sex.there are gay people that don't have sex

spacetacular:


Go get yourself some Popcorn then.

The fact is that because Behavioral science has not been accepted as being purely scientific whatever they say is regarded as rubbish especially there are many ways they can use to arrive at their conclusion which unlike pure science requires strict guidelines.

Behavioral science fields like psychology, social neuroscience ethology, and cognitive science are either seen as emerging science or totally "messy" in approach to facts so are often easily disregarded.

However even you know that if you take a human as a baby and place him in the midst of wolves for years he will start acting like wolves "by choice" and not that it came naturally to him as a human.

Same thing goes to homosexuality.

Wonderful! Many stake their intelligence on this behavioral science o

Superpower:
why do you feel beign gay is all about sex.it is attraction to persons of the same sex.there are gay people that don't have sex

exactly! there are gay people who don't have gay sex, there are gay people who tried their best to enjoy sex with the vag.ina but found it near impossible

I don't wanna mention females not enjoying the penees because it might be down to the guy(s) with the dick

analice107:

You are just too immature to have a discussion with, seriously.
Follow after Pastafarian or even Catfishbilly and learn conversational dictums.

Hmmm... Now you just put out a post there, warning about your imagined mentality of some monikers here.

I have just said something which is what I'm familiar with. And i didn't quote you, neither did i generalize.

Here you're, getting personal with me, in the most dirty patronizing manner.

Can't you just learn the fact, that you're nobody's grandma here?

proudafrogal:


for me personally I don't really see homosexuality as a threat the real threat is transgenderism lol.

anyway I understand what you mean. but things change morality evolves slavery, child marriage, selling off women in the name of marriage was normal. but change is constant. but we shouldn't accept everything simply because it's new and seen as progressive and we shouldn't condemn everything because an ancient book written by men with limited scientific knowledge told us to.

I think many people are confused because I created this thread in the religion section. I have not even brought my Christian beliefs into this. The only thing I stated in the OP was that as a Christian, I am meant to love them. And I am sure that Is one thing you atheists will agree with me on. My question is, at what point we we start seeing "progressive" as abominable? Why do you accept homosexuality and go "ewwwww" at transgenderlism?

onyenze123:


I agree with you that homosexuality is not wrong.

Pastafarian:
this is Gish Gallop


doesn't negate the fact that there have been great minds who became great despite their being surrounded by smaller minds

doesn't negate the fact that there are lots of doctors who grew up in highly illiterate families and environments

doesn't mean those doctors that came from illiterate and poor families have some psychological things wrong with them

I must've missed the message here, can you be more clear?


this is absolute rubbish, I don't think I can possibly practise sex with a man and enjoy it more than I do with a woman no matter the number of times I would try to give it a try and decieve myself into thinking I'm enjoying it


this is preaching to the choir

Since you know that people "by choice" can either become something else other than what their environment presents and can also "by choice" decide to continue with what their environment presents then where does nature come in?

Also since you cannot enjoy better sex with men and prefer women why then do you call sex with men "Rubbish" especially since you already said you see nothing wrong with it and it is a natural thing.

Do you regard as rubbish people who laugh to loud? Much Louder than you do even though you both laugh out of your mouths? Do you regard as rubbish People who use their noses to sniff faeces instead of roses Afterall the nose is simply doing it's job.

Why is anal intercourse "Rubbish" to you when in the same vein you see nothing wrong with it and some even say they enjoy it.

analice107:

You are just too immature to have a discussion with, seriously.
Follow after Pasta.farian or even Catfishb.illy and learn conversational dictums.

he has a point!

are there people born asexual? if yes then his point stands whatever humour he tries to pass through it can be ignored if you find it distasteful

no need for all these comparison

ilynem:

Replying him once was the biggest mistake I made on NL. Swore never to do it again.

The person is like a 4 yrs old.

Behavioural science is not a pseudoscience.
Here is a definition

Behavioral sciences abstract empirical data to investigate the decision processes and communication strategies within and between organisms in a social system. This involves fields like psychology, social neuroscience ethology, and cognitive science.

spacetacular

My position has not been Bible or God based but purely my position so do not try to bring the God factor into it.

Good

The question you should be asking yourself is this, What are the chances that you could become a great mind if you are exposed to people who are also great minds for a major part of your early years?

What are the chances that you would want to become a doctor if you grew up in a family of doctors?

The chances are pretty high yes?

yes


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Everything has its match and fit. Ears for hearing, mouth for speaking, etc. Can you will your anus to start speaking like your mouth does simply because in some ways it looks like a mouth?

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Christians on this thread like analice107 should learn to argue like this, am impressed. That's by the way, back to the discussion.

Some men that are not gay also stick their phallus into the female bum for sexual pleasure. So sticking phallus into the anus is not done by gay people alone

How about lesbians? They don't have phallus to stick anywhere. So you can't conclusively say it is wrong based on this premise.

spacetacular:


My position has not been Bible or God based but purely my position so do not try to bring the God factor into it.

The question you should be asking yourself is this, What are the chances that you could become a great mind if you are exposed to people who are also great minds for a major part of your early years?

What are the chances that you would want to become a doctor if you grew up in a family of doctors?

The chances are pretty high yes?

Sexual enjoyment is like an experiment. People discover new techniques to sex everyday which is likened to sexual interests as well. Nobody becomes a full blown sexual expert in the homosexual life. It's a process.

They try something and find they like it and "hey it's not so bad" and they move on to the next step until they become "proudly" gay.

I have seen brothers sexually attracted to their sisters and vice versa but deep down they knew it was not right and willed themselves to come out of such urges.

There is a reason why a female sexual organ is not routed to her anus but to her vagina and there is a reason your faecal matter is routed through your anus. Both play specific roles which cannot be interchanged and indeed must not be.

There is also a reason why men have phallus of different sizes and women have elastic vaginas which are to accommodate what it receives. If the man only had a phallus then it would be OK to stick it anywhere but because the phallus ends with testicles which generate and store sperm and the female has the receptacle for this sperm and what would further process this sperm to become a child then it's foolishness to imagine that the phallus is meant to be stuck into someones bum in the name of sexual preference.

Everything has its match and fit. Ears for hearing, mouth for speaking, etc. Can you will your anus to start speaking like your mouth does simply because in some ways it looks like a mouth?

I love this.

CatfishBilly:
Behavioural science is not a pseudoscience.
Here is a definition

What some folks who write in the public forum, don't know is that, those who lay claim to certain profession, that they learnt about on Google, are as discernable as pregnancy at third trimester, to the real professionals.