CrownStarPro:
I read Marchman's posts. I have read yours. This is my own experience.


When I was younger, we use to attend christ Apostolic Church. At the age of 8, we startee attending Mountain of Fire.

When I turned 15, we left mountain of fire for CE.
The first service I attended in CE was awkward to me. Especially whenever prayer points are called, even a 6 year old kid will be speaking gibberish.

What pained me most is: I pray in clear English. One day, someone approached me and said I wasn't filled with the Holy Spirit. I was 16 then. I was astonished by those words. I asked him "How?" he replied by telling me that I don't speak in tongues.

I swallowed that. I joined the choir in CE. I discovered something among the members of CE. The previous choir master was excommunicated because he married from dunamis church and the pastor in CE wasn't in support of the marriage. That guy left CE.

I caught the new choir master fvcking the lead female singer on one of our Saturday choir practice in the church hall. They didn't expect me to come so early. I was 17 then. He tried to bribe me with some cash which I rejected, then the lady offered her body for a quickie... I had to run away because I scared for my life..Humans can do anything when their reputation is at stake. I left the church for a while.

Months later, I came back. Things worsened. Or maybe my eyes opened. I swept the previous incident under the rugs (except now).
I observed the semi-nude dressing in the church, the guys who fry hair... In fact... I stopped seeing CE as a church... My friends call it - Pimping gathering. A gathering where you hunt for women to lay with.

Everyone in CE try to act big and robust while they are dying silently. Fakers everywhere.


In fact CE tire me. I'm 20 now. I only visit CE once in a long while especially when I want to Jus get a fling with someone.

I forgot to mention that I was almost harassed sexually by one of their ushers when I visited one time some months back. It was mid-service and I was set to leave. I would have fallen for it but thank God someone came out to pee just in time... That was the last visit.

It's one of the Abuja branch. Don't ask me to be precise. SMH

Lies. So funny. But lies through and through.

Sharon6:


Same here o my brother. I was invited to their vigil 11-12 years ago I can't remember precisely.
I wore a long skirt and long sleeve top and covered my head with scaff Shebi I'm going to church now, on getting to the venue I had to check again if I'm not in a night club. The men had their heads fried and most sagged their trousers, the ladies nko? Hmmmmm! The sister at the entrance welcoming us wore a very tight leggings showing her camel toe from the front and her bottocks from the back, it was as if she's naacked! Hian! Come and see mini skirts, see through tops, very tight shape revealing trousers, as in glory of a woman on full display. Falling under anointing nko? The student pastor will blow Breeze into the microphone and you'll see them falling like it has been previously rehashed. You need to see the way I was avoided like a plague because of my dressing, if not that it was a vigil I would've have left during the service. Since then I borrowed myself sense and didn't near there again. If all these happened 12-13 years ago I wonder how the settings will be like nowadays!

More lies.

zionmade:

Yes I also want to know where the Bible said sagging is a sin. I guess u re too carnally minded to think dat everything that is indecent in the eyes of man is a sin

how about you give us what's indecent and is not a sin, you don't have to be a Christian to be moral dude, sometimes you should learn to keep quite if you don't have what you want or say, trust me keeping quite doesn't kill

bignero:


i wont waste time arguing with you

you ask is he still with his wife? are you literate? who left who?
so his wife accused him adultery?where in your office right?...you base you arguments on them say them say..my friend park well.
yes he accepted fees for his crusade..he did this to deter people, because the building capacity wasnt enough to contain all the people..and we know most people dont go to church for God,it was a move to sift people...some primary schools pay dollars, if your poor, doesnt mean their evil.
yes he said mastubation isnt a sin....a spiritually discerning person will understand what he was driving at...at this point ill stop casting my pearls before swine for the good book advises against that...fr you are blind, christ said even if you dont believe maybe youme, believe me based on the works i do....even if you doubt pastor chris.. research what hes doing in peoples life for christ..or keep wallowing in your blindness

.. A pastor said masturbation is not a sin, and I need to be spiritual to know where he was heading to with that statement, maybe you should educate us on that which he was trying to say

hypernikao:
More religious people, less Christians...

Unfortunately no one is paying attention to this point. We need more of CHRISTIANS.

We all forget the fact that we cannot be Christian by being a member of any church, but can proudly be a member of any church by being a true christian.

Homoviator:
OP, you just ended up affirming what you wanted to negate. Money answereth all things, do you know Solomon's state of mind when he wrote that. It's just like saying, because Abra lied, lie is justified

Many misunderstand this Bible verse because they quote it out of context. Perhaps a good understanding of the context will clear out the misconception.

Ecclesiastes 10:16-19
[16]Woe to thee, O land, when thy king is a child, and thy princes eat in the morning!
[17]Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness!
[18]By much slothfulness the building decayeth; and through idleness of the hands the house droppeth through.
[19]A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.

It's the foolish leaders who have that policy mentioned in the 19th verse that hold that money answer all things. They are always feasting, but not amending the system.

Sharon6:


Same here o my brother. I was invited to their vigil 11-12 years ago I can't remember precisely.
I wore a long skirt and long sleeve top and covered my head with scaff Shebi I'm going to church now, on getting to the venue I had to check again if I'm not in a night club. The men had their heads fried and most sagged their trousers, the ladies nko? Hmmmmm! The sister at the entrance welcoming us wore a very tight leggings showing her camel toe from the front and her bottocks from the back, it was as if she's naacked! Hian! Come and see mini skirts, see through tops, very tight shape revealing trousers, as in glory of a woman on full display. Falling under anointing nko? The student pastor will blow Breeze into the microphone and you'll see them falling like it has been previously rehashed. You need to see the way I was avoided like a plague because of my dressing, if not that it was a vigil I would've have left during the service. Since then I borrowed myself sense and didn't near there again. If all these happened 12-13 years ago I wonder how the settings will be like nowadays!

Lol.. Now that was funny but on a more serious note, you are not far from the truth though. How do you now expect a guy to focus in such an environment with all those things harassing his eyes and senses? It's sad though cause this is the souls of men wasting away. The Bible says in Matthew 7:13&14 13Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Emphasis on the word 'FEW'. May God help us all.

I Timothy 3

1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

I quote this scriptures for those that are defending Pastor Chris (which to me is unnecessary, everyone should defend Jesus not Paul or Appolos). The catch phrase for this scripture is a man of God MUST BE BLAMELESS. The word of God is the most and highest holy thing in the word. It symbolises God and His holiness. We are so so many that God called to the body of Christ but it is not all of us that God Choose to become Pastor or custodian of His holy word. The selected few are the CHOSEN. The CHOSEN must then be BLAMELESS. Examples of instance where they should be blameless were given. If you really check some of those requirements you will find out that those are no sin matter. Like having more than one wife or taking wine. These are no sin but these brings debate among some people. A man of God should not be involved in such contentious issues.
As for frying of hair, I don't personally think it is a sin. But many people think so. What should I do. I should stop frying my hair so that I will be blameless.
What about greedy for filthy lucre. This mean to have much desire for money. This is a big problem in all churches. Pastor Chris, Kumuyi, Adeboye, Oyedepo are all guilty of this. Only TB. Joshua and some few are free from this demon of Mormon. God will help us.
Now ruling over your home. Well I think pastor chris has not done so well in that front and that weakness has spilled into the church.
Fornication is a serious sin in the body of God. It is popular among youth especially youth that are not living with their parent, student, corpers, bachelor, spinsters, etc. A good percentage of Christ Embassy are in this category. Sin like this will be rampade. But the church is suppose to tame this excesses. But the teachings seems to show a God that is so loving and sees you as righteous in Christ is not a teaching that can tame these excesses. God will help us all.
This defence of Open-your-bible-and-show-me-where-that-or-this-is-a-sin is not a good defence. You must be blameless to them. You cannot be saying what people say about me does not matter. You can't be stinking about and say don't Judge me. If the world is now condemning the church where is the light of the world and the salt of the earth going to come from. The Lord knows those that are His and let everyone that nameth the name of God depart from iniquity. Flee every appearance of Evil. God loves us all.
Christ Embassy has her good side. They teach the word. They live by faith.

^^^

Preach your sermon to Paul as well. He was accused of being a false deceiver, swindler, thief etc. his master Jesus was treated the same way as well and Jesus said it is sufficient for the servant to be like the master.

The rest of your post is drivel and I mean this with no offense. All that talk about fornication and what should be preached is the real ignorance gone on rampage.

Everything should be in context and there would always be people with dissenting views.

dhardline:


Lol.. Now that was funny but on a more serious note, you are not far from the truth though. How do you now expect a guy to focus in such an environment with all those things harassing his eyes and senses? It's sad though cause this is the souls of men wasting away. The Bible says in Matthew 7:13&14 13Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Emphasis on the word 'FEW'. May God help us all.

If those things (lies by the way) harass you then the problem is not the things but you. The Bible says to those whose hearts are pure all things are pure. Emphasis on "to those whose hearts are pure".

winteric:


Many misunderstand this Bible verse because they quote it out of context. Perhaps a good understanding of the context will clear out the misconception.

Ecclesiastes 10:16-19
[16]Woe to thee, O land, when thy king is a child, and thy princes eat in the morning!
[17]Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness!
[18]By much slothfulness the building decayeth; and through idleness of the hands the house droppeth through.
[19]A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.

It's the foolish leaders who have that policy mentioned in the 19th verse that hold that money answer all things. They are always feasting, but not amending the system.

You mean well but spat complete hogwash.

Leadership should not be given to spiritual children they will mess things up. They will mess things up because people will eat, drink and party when they are supposed to work and nothing of note will be achieved. When nothing of note is done the city decays. That is why people who want to party and drink should know what it portends for them while those who want to achieve things should know the value of money and the many things it can do- including making sure the City does not decay. Emphasis mine.

Eaugusta:


Unfortunately no one is paying attention to this point. We need more of CHRISTIANS.

We all forget the fact that we cannot be Christian by being a member of any church, but can proudly be a member of any church by being a true christian.

You can't be a member of any church by being a true Christian. You are a member of a church when you share the vision of the church and God has called you to be there. In such a situation, you are not at sea with the goings-on but understand everything because your reason for being there is spiritual and not carnal or fleshly.

Jesus lost some disciples because they could not handle his teachings. It is the same today. I mean, if you are a genuine believer in the words of Jesus how would you sit comfortably when people shout "die die die" for their perceived enemies when Jesus told us to love them and pray for them? Or how would you chase children away who came to feast on the word of God so they can GROW thereby and you tell them to go and "dress properly"?

I can guarantee you, the flow of God's spirit will be limited in such gatherings and when they see other supposed carnal christians who don't dress well achieve more than them they accuse them of being fake or they just have deep-seated envy for them. Meanwhile, Jesus told us the kingdom belongs to babes- those who are ready to take him at his word, without fleshly reasonings.

holybabayo:
I Timothy 3

1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

I quote this scriptures for those that are defending Pastor Chris (which to me is unnecessary, everyone should defend Jesus not Paul or Appolos). The catch phrase for this scripture is a man of God MUST BE BLAMELESS. The word of God is the most and highest holy thing in the word. It symbolises God and His holiness. We are so so many that God called to the body of Christ but it is not all of us that God Choose to become Pastor or custodian of His holy word. The selected few are the CHOSEN. The CHOSEN must then be BLAMELESS. Examples of instance where they should be blameless were given. If you really check some of those requirements you will find out that those are no sin matter. Like having more than one wife or taking wine. These are no sin but these brings debate among some people. A man of God should not be involved in such contentious issues.
As for frying of hair, I don't personally think it is a sin. But many people think so. What should I do. I should stop frying my hair so that I will be blameless.
What about greedy for filthy lucre. This mean to have much desire for money. This is a big problem in all churches. Pastor Chris, Kumuyi, Adeboye, Oyedepo are all guilty of this. Only TB. Joshua and some few are free from this demon of Mormon. God will help us.
Now ruling over your home. Well I think pastor chris has not done so well in that front and that weakness has spilled into the church.
Fornication is a serious sin in the body of God. It is popular among youth especially youth that are not living with their parent, student, corpers, bachelor, spinsters, etc. A good percentage of Christ Embassy are in this category. Sin like this will be rampade. But the church is suppose to tame this excesses. But the teachings seems to show a God that is so loving and sees you as righteous in Christ is not a teaching that can tame these excesses. God will help us all.
This defence of Open-your-bible-and-show-me-where-that-or-this-is-a-sin is not a good defence. You must be blameless to them. You cannot be saying what people say about me does not matter. You can't be stinking about and say don't Judge me. If the world is now condemning the church where is the light of the world and the salt of the earth going to come from. The Lord knows those that are His and let everyone that nameth the name of God depart from iniquity. Flee every appearance of Evil. God loves us all.
Christ Embassy has her good side. They teach the word. They live by faith.

Mammon is not Mormon.
get your facts straight

Maestro21:
^^^

Preach your sermon to Paul as well. He was accused of being a false deceiver, swindler, thief etc. his master Jesus was treated the same way as well and Jesus said it is sufficient for the servant to be like the master.

The rest of your post is drivel and I mean this with no offense. All that talk about fornication and what should be preached is the real ignorance gone on rampage.

Everything should be in context and there would always be people with dissenting views.

First of, I am not going to defend the man Paul. But I will defend the word of God. Paul was accused of being a deceiver and a troubler of the tradition of the fathers. He gospel was that the Jews should stop depending on the Law for their salvation but live by faith in Jesus. He did speak against sin (which Pastor Chris also does).
I don't even understand which side you are. The things I said are they not correct. Na wa for this defence of man of God o. God help us.

dorindaamara:

Mammon is not Mormon.
get your facts straight

thanks for the correction. But hope you got the point?

Maestro21:


If those things (lies by the way) harass you then the problem is not the things but you. The Bible says to those whose hearts are pure all things are pure. Emphasis on "to those whose hearts are pure".

From your explanation of that verse if a killer kills and you see it then it's pure to you, if one someone steals and you see it then it's pure to you. Even Our Lord Jesus Christ chased those who turned His Father's house to a den of thieves as He called them.
Bros please don't twist the scriptures just to condone sin. Call sin by its name that way you will flesh from it. Shalom

zionmade:

Yes I also want to know where the Bible said sagging is a sin. I guess u re too carnally minded to think dat everything that is indecent in the eyes of man is a sin

It's not a matter of been carnally minded. Not every wrongdoing is specified in the Bible yet they are likely not right in the sight of GOD. For instance, taking cocaine, dressing half-naked, watching pornography, producing or selling fake drugs/ products knowingly. May GOD always show us mercy.

A LOOK AT 'TO THE PURE ALL THINGS ARE PURE"
Titus 1
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Now from the context this was a guide against false teachers. They were unruly, vain talkers and deceivers. Most of the were of the Circumcision believers, but some were in the grace teachers. Now they subvert a whole family just to fill their pockets. They teach human principles and turn away from the truth. They say they know God but but they commit sin freefall. These are the people that are impure here.
Using this quote to mean "if you say sagging is a sin your mind is impure" is a wrong use of the scripture. Paul here was condemning specifics actions. He did not say "what these teachers are doing is ok. If you think otherwise your mind is impure". He is saying "please quickly stop these guys from teaching their trash because their very minds are impure are they are spewing dirty trashes" Don't quote the scripture out of context.

Let me add Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Now while grace free us from the demands of the Law there is a chance that some people could turn it to lasciviousness (or licentiousness or licence to sin). That is something that teachers should guide against. I no call any church name o.

dhardline:


From your explanation of that verse if a killer kills and you see it then it's pure to you, if one someone steals and you see it then it's pure to you. Even Our Lord Jesus Christ chased those who turned His Father's house to a den of thieves as He called them.
Bros please don't twist the scriptures just to condone sin. Call sin by its name that way you will flesh from it. Shalom

There is no twisting of scripture. You don't even know it to begin with. Jesus said what defiles a man is what he does in reaction to what he sees and not what he sees Matt 15:11. He would go further to say that sin is the condition of a man's heart. Blasphemies, fornications, false witnesses, murders, evil thoughts etc are all proceeds of the way a man's heart is.

So forget what you think you know. A man whose heart is pure towards God will see the same things a sinner sees but will give a different reaction. He would see someone who is young in the faith but has the potential to be a General for God's army and he would cry out in intercession for the Spirit of God to reach out to that one and lift them up because he realizes only God can. But someone who is full of lust and evil thoughts would see that same sister and become uncomfortable because his heart is conditioned that way.

You people talk about sisters indecently dressed but I have attended so many meetings with the MOG and I have not seen people dressed improperly except a few people here and there in crusades and outreaches. And guess what? Such people are never leaders or committed members. They are usually people who were invited for programs from the streets or brothels and when they want to give an excuse for not attending, the inviter will tell them to come to church that way. That is how aggressive one needs to be to win souls. Jesus told Zaccheaus to come to God the way he was and religious people were angry yet they were the sinners and Jesus was pure.

Nothing has changed today.

Kirigidi:

It's not a matter of been carnally minded. Not every wrongdoing is specified in the Bible yet they are likely not right in the sight of GOD. For instance, taking cocaine, dressing half-naked, watching pornography, producing or selling fake drugs/ products knowingly. May GOD always show us mercy.

The Bible says sin is wrongdoing but not all wrongdoing is sin. You people should read up abeg.

holybabayo:
A LOOK AT 'TO THE PURE ALL THINGS ARE PURE"
Titus 1
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Now from the context this was a guide against false teachers. They were unruly, vain talkers and deceivers. Most of the were of the Circumcision believers, but some were in the grace teachers. Now they subvert a whole family just to fill their pockets. They teach human principles and turn away from the truth. They say they know God but but they commit sin freefall. These are the people that are impure here.
Using this quote to mean "if you say sagging is a sin your mind is impure" is a wrong use of the scripture. Paul here was condemning specifics actions. He did not say "what these teachers are doing is ok. If you think otherwise your mind is impure". He is saying "please quickly stop these guys from teaching their trash because their very minds are impure are they are spewing dirty trashes" Don't quote the scripture out of context.

Let me add Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Now while grace free us from the demands of the Law there is a chance that some people could turn it to lasciviousness (or licentiousness or licence to sin). That is something that teachers should guide against. I no call any church name o.

You are trying to be smart by half but you are still wide of the mark. The teachers he called false are those who give heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men. That is why he added that if you are pure, you would see things purely but if you are one to propagate the doctrines of men over God's word you would see things as impure even when you are the problem.

You say "that brother sags his trouser therefore he is not a true Christian". You are simply teaching a doctrine of men. There is nothing in scripture that says sagging is a sin. For someone whose heart is pure, you would learn to see people the way God sees them especially when they are brothers in the faith. Paul said, now that I know Christ therefore I refuse to know any other man after the flesh. In other words, Paul made it a conscious effort to see men only by the spirit and not by what his flesh was dictating to him.

Learn from Paul.

timojerry:


Bro/Sis

I have gone through your rejoinder and it is just full of hurt. You were even abusive by saying the previous op had a poverty mentality. The previous op wrote his opinion which he is entitled to and he did that without abusing anybody. You have written your own opinion which you are entitled to but you did yours with HATE. Any non convert reading both views would have no choice but to see the HATE in your write-up. You might be pained about what the previous op has written but remember on the last day, everyone even the Pastor Chris PhD you are writing about would stand on his own to be judged. Why not you guys focus on being upright with God instead of being entangled with what is and what is not. Jesus came to save us, He wasn't deeper life, He wasn't Anglican, He wasn't cele, He wasn't Christ embassy, He wasn't Catholic, He wasn't living faith, He wasn't redeemed, He wasn't Synagogue neither was He Omega. He was Himself. Let us forgo all these things and be like Paul who was able to say BOLDLY when he had finished the good fight that there is a crown laid for him in heaven. How many of us can boldly say that after we live the world. Think on these things.

Happy Sunday

I've been searching for your christianly post to comment. Glad I found it
And I like to buttress the emboldened:
He was and still is because He is the I AM THAT I AM, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, THE KING OF KINGS and THE LORD OF LORDS. May His Name be praised forever more (Amen).

For the OP, Marchman, CE and other Churches in general, I propose one of Barney's Songs:
"Clean Up, Clean Up
Everybody, Everywhere
Clean Up, Clean Up
Everybody do your share..."


On a serious note, even though it's meant for kids but I think we all should do same spiritually for the Lord's Coming is very much at hand.
Shalom.

Maestro21:


You are trying to be smart by half but you are still wide of the mark. The teachers he called false are those who give heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men. That is why he added that if you are pure, you would see things purely but if you are one to propagate the doctrines of men over God's word you would see things as impure even when you are the problem.

You say "that brother sags his trouser therefore he is not a true Christian". You are simply teaching a doctrine of men. There is nothing in scripture that says sagging is a sin. For someone whose heart is pure, you would learn to see people the way God sees them especially when they are brothers in the faith. Paul said, now that I know Christ therefore I refuse to know any other man after the flesh. In other words, Paul made it a conscious effort to see men only by the spirit and not by what his flesh was dictating to him.

Learn from Paul.

My brother in faith. I must say I enjoy the major way we are discussing. We don't know it all and we are all trying to learn. in fact it is not knowledge that will help us, it is true love for each other. That is why I will like you to quote me very very well.
"The teachers he called false are those who give heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men". Look at the verse very well. It says especially they of the circumcision. That means even those of grace can make the same mistake.
"that brother sags his trouser therefore he is not a true Christian". Now this is not my statement. i quote this to explain a wrong use of the scriptures. This your point of open the bible and show me where it is written that sagging is a sin. Well my brother there is no such quote in the bible. But I will ask you a question, Is the word of God a living thing or an inanimate thing. Can the bible be outdated and does not have use for current situations? If recent evil occurs in our time and in the future can we really use the bible to make a judgement of whether it is right or wrong? Jesus may not come today or tomorrow or in a thousand years or millions of years. Some of the ideas we have now may all fade to oblivion. Would the bible be still relevant then? Will the bible really be a good book that the saint will use to judge this world in the judgement day. I say yes. There are new sins that were not there in the days of the bible like masturbation, smoking, drug abuse, pornography. Iniquity will still abound in the future. Can I say because this things are not in the bible, they are not sin. This are contrary to sound doctrine. Where did this phrase even come from. Is this phrase from God or the devil. If we were even talking about somebody going overboard in his/her zeal for God like not eating some unclean food, or fasting 2wise in a week etc. We can even say we have an argument. But we are here talking about sagging, masturbation etc. Oh God help our children.
Now let me add this. Sagging may be sin to some and not sin to some. Someone with a poor mentality may consider it as fashion. Me I can't do it. If I did I will be defiling my body, that will be a sin to me (that is not to talk of some other people that I will offend with such dressing). Masturbation may be sin for a person that wants to use his sperm for medical purpose (that is for a man, I don't know about a woman). But for any other reason, it is a sin, it is fornication/adultery wholesale. Woman putting on trousers is not a sin to some but a sin to others. Just try to be blameless o thou man of God. Frying of hair (The man seem to have stopped it). It is generally funny. If your faith can carry it, do it. But again o thou man of God be blameless. Work in love (not of yourself, but of your fellow brother). Sacrifice your freedom so that you don't offend someone else. Walk circumspectly. So you see that I agree with you on some point. As a matter of fact i am open to learn more from you if you really have a sound point. The most important thing we need is not knowledge, it is love. Agape Love, self sacrificing. Where we don't live to satisfy our pleasures.

CrownStarPro:
I read Marchman's posts. I have read yours. This is my own experience.


When I was younger, we use to attend christ Apostolic Church. At the age of 8, we startee attending Mountain of Fire.

When I turned 15, we left mountain of fire for CE.
The first service I attended in CE was awkward to me. Especially whenever prayer points are called, even a 6 year old kid will be speaking gibberish.

What pained me most is: I pray in clear English. One day, someone approached me and said I wasn't filled with the Holy Spirit. I was 16 then. I was astonished by those words. I asked him "How?" he replied by telling me that I don't speak in tongues.

I swallowed that. I joined the choir in CE. I discovered something among the members of CE. The previous choir master was excommunicated because he married from dunamis church and the pastor in CE wasn't in support of the marriage. That guy left CE.

I caught the new choir master fvcking the lead female singer on one of our Saturday choir practice in the church hall. They didn't expect me to come so early. I was 17 then. He tried to bribe me with some cash which I rejected, then the lady offered her body for a quickie... I had to run away because I scared for my life..Humans can do anything when their reputation is at stake. I left the church for a while.

Months later, I came back. Things worsened. Or maybe my eyes opened. I swept the previous incident under the rugs (except now).
I observed the semi-nude dressing in the church, the guys who fry hair... In fact... I stopped seeing CE as a church... My friends call it - Pimping gathering. A gathering where you hunt for women to lay with.

Everyone in CE try to act big and robust while they are dying silently. Fakers everywhere.


In fact CE tire me. I'm 20 now. I only visit CE once in a long while especially when I want to Jus get a fling with someone.

I forgot to mention that I was almost harassed sexually by one of their ushers when I visited one time some months back. It was mid-service and I was set to leave. I would have fallen for it but thank God someone came out to pee just in time... That was the last visit.

It's one of the Abuja branch. Don't ask me to be precise. SMH

dont take this the wrong way.

How exactly did that seduction try to take place?

How were you saved by the pee

holybabayo:


My brother in faith. I must say I enjoy the major way we are discussing. We don't know it all and we are all trying to learn. in fact it is not knowledge that will help us, it is true love for each other. That is why I will like you to quote me very very well.
"The teachers he called false are those who give heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men". Look at the verse very well. It says especially they of the circumcision. That means even those of grace can make the same mistake.
"that brother sags his trouser therefore he is not a true Christian". Now this is not my statement. i quote this to explain a wrong use of the scriptures. This your point of open the bible and show me where it is written that sagging is a sin. Well my brother there is no such quote in the bible. But I will ask you a question, Is the word of God a living thing or an inanimate thing. Can the bible be outdated and does not have use for current situations? If recent evil occurs in our time and in the future can we really use the bible to make a judgement of whether it is right or wrong? Jesus may not come today or tomorrow or in a thousand years or millions of years. Some of the ideas we have now may all fade to oblivion. Would the bible be still relevant then? Will the bible really be a good book that the saint will use to judge this world in the judgement day. I say yes. There are new sins that were not there in the days of the bible like masturbation, smoking, drug abuse. Iniquity will still abound in the future. Can I say because this things are not in the bible, they are not sin. This are contrary to sound doctrine. Where did this phrase even come from. Is this phrase from God or the devil. If we were even talking about somebody going overboard in his/her zeal for God like not eating some unclean food, or fasting 2wise in a week etc. We can even say we have an argument. But we are here talking about sagging, masturbation etc. Oh God help our children.

If something is not in the bible, you cannot call it sin. That is the first concept of sin. The 2nd concept of sin is that if you personally feel something is a sin and you do it, you are defiled whereas someone who does not see it as sin, it is not sin to him. (Rom 14:14).

You make an argument that the bible is eternal and you are right but there is nothing like new sins. All sins are embedded in selfishness and fear. If you study the outlined sins in the bible you would agree with this.

With this in mind, you can tell why certain things are sins and others are not. For example, Jesus said lust is a sin. To lust is to desire someone that does not belong to you, sexually. That craving to have what does not belong to you thereby thinking of yourself alone is selfishness.

How again is masturbation in itself a sin? How is sagging a sin? If a married man is going for a fertility test and he masturbates to provide semen is he sinning? That is why masturbation in itself cannot be a sin. But sure, if a man watches pornography and masturbates as a result the sin there is lust which led him to watch porn and then masturbate. So no matter what happens in the future, what will be sin will still be rooted in the foundations and branches of sin. This is sound doctrine.

chinedumo:


dont take this the wrong way.

How exactly did that seduction try to take place?

How were you saved by the pee

You are asking a hypocrite and liar who said he left a church because of indecency in dressing and immorality, yet the same person says he still goes to the church every now and then to have a fling. Is that not grossly stu.pid?

I thought he left because of immorality, yet he is still immoral where he is currently. Which means him and not CE, was the problem.

MiddleDimension:


i am an atheist and i suppose that shouldnt matter. but i am just curious to know if you think masturbation is a sin before Oyakhilome said it is not a sin IN ITSELF?

just to add that i, as an atheist, do not see it as anyone's business if the guy or lady next door masturbates. and please dont say you can discuss issues with me because i am an atheist.

I will gladly love to answer you on this but the fact that you're not a christian is an issue. The Bible doesn't permit discussing spiritual matters with non christian . Except for their salvation only

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Maestro21:


If something is not in the bible, you cannot call it sin. That is the first concept of sin. The 2nd concept of sin is that if you personally feel something is a sin and you do it, you are defiled whereas someone who does not see it as sin, it is not sin to him. (Rom 14:14).

You make an argument that the bible is eternal and you are right but there is nothing like new sins. All sins are embedded in selfishness and fear. If you study the outlined sins in the bible you would agree with this.

With this in mind, you can tell why certain things are sins and others are not. For example, Jesus said lust is a sin. To lust is to desire someone that does not belong to you, sexually. That craving to have what does not belong to you thereby thinking of yourself alone is selfishness.

How again is masturbation in itself a sin? How is sagging a sin? If a married man is going for a fertility test and he masturbates to provide semen is he sinning? That is why masturbation in itself cannot be a sin. But sure, if a man watches pornography and masturbates as a result the sin there is lust which led him to watch porn and then masturbate. So no matter what happens in the future, what will be sin will still be rooted in the foundations and branches of sin. This is sound doctrine.

God bless you. God almighty bless you a million time. I have learnt that there is no new sin. Good point. Sagging is a thing that I will do with fear so it is a sin to me. You can sag. Good for you. But if I see you sagging and tell you stop sagging that is a sin, What will be your response? Your answer is very important and it will have implications so think very well before you answer.

holybabayo:


God bless you. God almighty bless you a million time. I have learnt that there is no new sin. Good point. Sagging is a thing that I will do with fear so it is a sin to me. You can sag. Good for you. But if I see you sagging and tell you stop sagging that is a sin, What will be your response? Your answer is very important and it will have implications so think very well before you answer.

God bless you too.

If I am his leader, I would stop doing it in public so his faith does not stumble. It is my love for christ and my brothers under my fold that propels me to act that way. I am however not responsible to some other person who is not in my fold. Jesus ate with sinners remember.

Here is Paul's take: Keep the belief that you have to yourself—it’s between you and God. People are blessed who don’t convict themselves by the things they approve.
Romans 14:22 CEB

Maestro21:


God bless you too.

If I am his leader, I would stop doing it in public so his faith does not stumble. It is my love for christ and my brothers under my fold that propels me to act that way. I am however not responsible to some other person who is not in my fold. Jesus ate with sinners remember.

Here is Paul's take: Keep the belief that you have to yourself—it’s between you and God. People are blessed who don’t convict themselves by the things they approve.
Romans 14:22 CEB

You have answered very well. But in the body of Christ there are people with strong faith and people with weak faith. Faith comes by knowledge of Word of God. But the most effective weapon to win souls is not knowledge it is love. When I come down to people with less understanding and faith and walk with them I am helping them. No matter what I quote if I don't allow the love of Christ to constrain me (even though I know I am free) I am not helping the body. I pray we walk more in Love than knowledge.

I thank God I came in contact with my Man of God Pastor Chris Oyakhilome some few years back when I attended Total Experience program and got healed. I knew I was in the presence of God when I entered the stadium. Since then, I have been living thesuper life! Its over 17 years now when I last tasted drug because Pastor Chris taught me "the divine life". I believe in the doctrine of giving and sowing financial seeds because I am experiencing the super abundant and wealthy life based on this great principle. My life has indeed been given a meaning! I now have a purpose for living! Pastor Chris taught me how to have a vital relationship with the Person of the Holy Spirit and the Word of God!

The guard dogs "do not touch my anointed" have come out. It was to be expected.