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Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Rossikki: 4:17pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Warship: You are naive in the extreme and lack understanding of how the world operates. The FACT is that the western nations today are the repositories of capital and technological know how. The GDP of France is higher than that of all Africa. They have cornered the wealth of the earth. They run the major financial institutions and contribute the highest amounts to them. If you wish to advance rapidly as a developing nation, you need access to western or eastern capital and technological investment. Strictly speaking, it is not THEIR wealth. It is the WORLD's wealth, which they cornered. You have a right to seek access to it. The alternative is to go it alone, which is essentially what we are doing, even though we are getting some good partnership with China these days in the area of infrastructural development, thankfully. You seem to have this idea that all a poor nation has to do in today's world is "roll up their sleeves" and work assiduously, and voila! They will become the new South Korea in under a decade! This betrays a tragic lack of knowledge of how this world operates. It just doesn't work like that. Or else Cambodia would be like Singapore. Or are you saying Cambodia is underdeveloped because they don't work hard enough? As for Biafra. If you secede from Nigeria you will be assuring your own demise, as you will lose access to Africa's largest market of 200 million, and be forced to compete with Japan, China, and the west for access to foreign markets. That is the last thing you need, as nations set up protectionist tariffs, while preferring trusted technology from familiar trading partners. 5 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by freshest4live: 4:18pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Warship:In my opinion we are better now, and the seventies also marked one of our best eras. Ask yourself, why was your great grandfather uneducated under the whites? Who built the school you attended? 7 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Warship: 4:24pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Rossikki:freshest4live : Your comment below is a complete lie "........ If you wish to advance rapidly as a developing nation, you need access to western or eastern capital and technological investment........" If you wish to advance rapidly, take the following seriously 1) Technological Education 2) Reward for Technological Advancements( Innovations and Inventions ) Now ask yourself this question Why don't Nigeria have a National Award for Technological Advancements.? |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Gerrard59(m): 4:26pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
freshest4live: I do not know how long you have known Nairaland, but if I judge by your year of registration, then permit to say you are a newbie to OP's way of life. OP blames the white man for everything in Nigeria even not constructing portable roads in every nook and cranny of a place and supplying water to her residents. Well, everyone is interested in what s/he can gain from the next person (humans are naturally greedy), but that is not an excuse for Nigeria's inability to provide uninterrupted power supply to her citizens after nearly 57 years. Something Faraday performed as an experiment in 1831. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by freshest4live: 4:27pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Warship:Do your research on Nigerians in technology, it takes more than just technology to develop a nation. The politics and the market must be ripe as well. Nigerians can compete with the very best in the world. An Edo family was reffered to as the smartest family in Britain. They have contributed their quota to tech in Britain. 1 Like |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Warship: 4:29pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
"........As for Biafra. If you secede from Nigeria you will be assuring your own demise, as you will lose access to Africa's largest market of 200 million, and be forced to compete with Japan, China, and the west for access to foreign markets. That is the last thing you need, as nations set up protectionist tariffs, while preferring trusted technology from familiar partners......." Rossikki What are the populations of South Korea, Japan, Singapore, South Africa, France, Germany, Switzerland, etc.? Are they bigger than 100million in each country.? Do you know how many Biafrans exist on Earth.? If Biafrans take Technological Education and Award seriously, they will become a nation of industrialists which will give them access to every nation of the world including wretched Nigeria. The world market is over 7billion. 1 Like |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Warship: 4:32pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
freshest4live: Technology is the bedrock of economic development Once Biafrans take it seriously, they will become a nation of Manufacturers. Every nation on earth wants Manufacturers in their midst. This will make them the new China of the world. 1 Like |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Rossikki: 4:35pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Gerrard59: Mr bodyguard for white men, you mistake my identifying white theft and brigandage for "blaming whites for our problems". The trouble with your mindset is that it allows imperialism to thrive, by turning a blind eye to it and pretending it doesn't exist. This further ensnares you in the trap of imperialists, as you welcome their exploitation with open arms. Rather than insisting they invest in technology within your territory, you let them get away with merely establishing extractive industries that take and put nothing back. Because you have a "don't blame them for anything" mentality, they come here and people like you treat them like gods, even as they take and take and put nothing back. Stand up. Be a man, and insist on your rights, not just from your own countrymen and leaders, but from all external partners. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by freshest4live: 4:36pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Warship:Not only Biafrans, many tribes are doing well. For example your Biafrans are good in tech, but they are not the tribe currently dominating tech start UP's in Nigeria. Again technology alone does not a super power make, wealth is the key, and the white men from their ancient wars conquered and exploited civilizations to enrich themselves. |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Warship: 4:39pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
freshest4live: I am not interested in who dominates because I am not interested in wasting precious time arguing about domination What I am saying is that if the Biafrans get it right in their Technological Education, they will become a Nation of Manufacturers. All nations of the world invite Manufacturers into their countries because of their positive impact. So Biafrans don't need to bother about the Nigerian market when other national markets exist |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by freshest4live: 4:45pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Warship:I understand you, l served in Onitsha, and my students excelled more on technical projects than book work. The Governors in each state should create technical centers across all states in Nigeria. |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Rossikki: 4:50pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Warship: Use your wretched brain for once in your life. If Biafra secedes, who will you sell those Innoson cars to? Those things you make in Onitsha and Aba, who will buy them? Germans? South Koreans? China? Congo? South Africa? Why? Who are you? Why will they buy your stuff, which could never be as cheap, abundant, and high quality as other nations with greater experience and larger economies of scale honed in by decades of mass production and capital investment? You simply will not be able to compete. It has nothing to do with your level of ingenuity or otherwise. The world is simply not as simple as you think it is. It is this same thoughtlessness and lack of geopolitical awareness that made Igbos try to secede in the 1960s with no army, navy, or airforce, or even strategic allies, to back their intent. It is the same thoughtlessness that will lead to you seceding, and suddenly discovering there is no one to buy your wares, leading to the stagnation of your industries. 7 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Warship: 5:22pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Rossikki: Which kind yeye talk be this one So if a Biafran goes to Togo and set up a car manufacturing plant, are you saying that Togolese won't buy the cars.? Which country on earth including wretched Nigeria, will reject a Biafran industrialist.? Pls tell me one nation that will reject them 1 Like |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Rossikki: 6:14pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Warship: Togo? The GDP per capita of Togo is $590 per annum. Nigeria's is $2,700. This is average earning per person. Togo has a population of 7.5 million. Nigeria 200 million. It makes far better economic sense for a Biafran industrialist to establish his car plant in NIGERIA and export to Togo, if they'll accept his cars, rather than sinking funds in Togo with little room for expansion, low patronage, and low profits. And all this is assuming that France allows Togo to allow you become competition for their Peugeot and other cars already there. You'll be shocked at the power a single phone call from Paris or London can have on some of these small African states. Finally, even if the above were inapplicable, and it all went smoothly for the Biafran industrialist, who really benefits from his investment in Togo? HIM. And maybe some Togolese employees. The returns certainly won't go to Biafra. Dangote is building refineries and factories in places like Tanzania and Senegal. Is the money he's making reaching you? 4 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Gerrard59(m): 6:20pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
My stance on development is by holding our leaders and ourselves accountable. This is opposed to OP's view that outside forces are impeding our development. Moreover, it's not mandatory to divulge trade secrets or technological advantage to other nations. If you need it so much, develop yours. There's no free lunch anywhere. Comparing education levels does not make sense. Generally, most people never went to school then across many nations including Singapore. Yes, people are going to schools today. But of what quality are these schools compared to nations we started on same footing? For instance, The Nanyang Technological University was founded in 1991, UI in 1948. However, NTU is currently among the top 50 universities globally according to the QS Rankings while UI is around 800-850. Is the West responsible for that? Should Singaporean leaders not be praised for the incremental development? Had they blamed or continue to blame the British (yes, the Brits did not do enough for her. But there's no law to stipulate such in the first place), Singapore will not be where she is today. It's funny the OP believes the Chinese will give Nigeria or Africa access to her technology. Why should she? When she was stealing others' technology secrets and developing hers, where were you? We're currently amassing debts owed to the Chinese (low interest OP will argue, but no difference). Same Chinese are buying huge swathes of lands in Ethiopia, Kenya, getting precious metals from DRC etc. The onus lies on Africans to move on. We were and are not the first people to be colonised or invaded. Japan did same to the Koreans and Chinese. Where are they today? Blaming Japan for their 'present undevelopment'? 4 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 6:22pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Warship: What will Biafra do for them? 1 Like |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by freshest4live: 6:22pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Rossikki:It's true, the eleven west african states colonized by Frances have their economies controlled by them to a large extent. It's annoying. |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Nobody: 6:26pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
the truth of the matter is that nobody will help u to develop ur country, no country under colonial rule was developed before independence. the colonial masters will only develop what is useful for their act in a country.like the case of Nigeria where they built railway from Lagos to the north just to transport goods from the north down to Lagos and take the goods away. i'm not even sure if they built any other worthy infrastructure in the country. fast forward 50years later, Nigeria supposed to have developed far beyond where we are now, it seems we're always blessed with leaders that are not visionaries. how can a country(largest economy on the continent) not produce electricity for its citizen? at least we constructed the kainji in the 60s,shortly after independence. why should the price of PMS in an oil producing country be expensive? why is our agricultural sector, airline and co. be in shamble now? none of our chaotic state should be blamed on the British but our leaders, 50years is too much for us to have developed far beyond this state. we're developing; no doubt, but at a very slow pace. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Rossikki: 6:38pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Gerrard59: You are a deceiver and a liar. You've come in here, and superimposed your own false interpretation of what this thread is about, and then sought to attack the false image you've invented. This thread says to you white worshippers - If they are the superior beings you make them out to be, then why was Nigeria an undeveloped bush after 63 years of uninterrupted white rule? And if their record is woeful, which it is, then why do you worship them? With some even calling for them to return and rule more. That is the thrust of the thread. Don't try and twist it. We are APPLAUDING our progress vis a vis what the colonialists did. We are not "blaming" anyone for our problems. We are stating that we are happy to be independent of colonial rule because it was a disaster for us. We are saying that those who ask why we are not like Singapore should use their brains and study the history of Singapore which led them to this point, rather than being superficial and thinking development occurs in a vacuum. When we try to educate you on how geopolitics plays a hand in all of it, you say "you're blaming whites!" If your analytical faculties are not developed enough to process the information you're receiving like an intelligent, educated person, why not move on to another thread that is more to your level? 4 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Mujtahida: 6:46pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
PDJT:How do I get this three books? Are they available online? |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Mujtahida: 6:57pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Rossikki:University of Ibadan was established in 1948 as University college Ibadan. Nomenclature does not take away the fact that it was a University from whence people like Wole Soyinka, JP Clark, Christopher Okigbo, Achebe and many others graduated before 1962. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Nobody: 7:02pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
PDJT:oga, if u want Nigeria to split, better that way, but comparing Greek project with Nigerian is absurd. 1 Like |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Rossikki: 7:02pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
shervydman: Actually, it is not true that "no colonised country was developed before independence". South Africa was developed as early as the 1940s. Hong Kong was highly developed long before its independence from Britain. India was developed by the British colonialists far more than they did in their African territories apart from SA. They also built a lot of infrastructure in Egypt in their time there. It was really just the black African colonies that the whites robbed so viciously and totally. That needs to be stated. 5 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by PDJT: 7:04pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Mujtahida: -Yes, they are. -Check amazon or ebay. "Basic Economics" & "Intellectuals and Race" by Thomas Sowell. Also check YouTube for audio-read of "Basic Economics" and you will also see free reviews of the books and interviews of the Author. "The Default Line" is by Faisal Islam and the book has a twitter account @TheDefaultLine. |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Mujtahida: 7:05pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Gerrard59:Your last paragraph is very poignant. We build shopping malls, arrange furniture, host events and call it development. That's paparazzi to me, showbiz development |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Rossikki: 7:06pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Mujtahida:It wasn't a full fledged university. It was a college of the University of London. What an insult that in 63 years of milking your resources, all they gave you was that. Imagine if they'd try to be a bit more...decent. And built like three proper universities as early as the 1920s. And expanded education as opposed to reserving it for a tiny few. Think how many more Soyinkas and Achebes we'd have had. Plus a generation of engineers, industrialists, and other professionals. These are not favours we are seeking. They were exporting our resources. They could have reinvested even 20% back into the economy, and we would have been a reasonably developed nation at independence. 6 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Mujtahida: 7:09pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Gerrard59:You can even freely copy from patents that have expired through the world Intellectual property organisation which is proactive in making these patents available to countries like Nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Mujtahida: 7:13pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Rossikki:Don't shift ground. You said there was no University in Nigeria before 1960. Wrong Whether full fledged or not did Soyinka and his ilk carry fledgling university education before 1962? |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Mujtahida: 7:14pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
PDJT:Okay |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Mujtahida: 7:18pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Rossikki:You are misreading colonialism as development. Correct your premise and everything will be clear to you. Colonialism was meant to plunder and not to develop us. We've had the time, resources and opportunities to develop for 57years. And we have not done better than the colonial plunderers. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by PDJT: 7:21pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
shervydman: -Lol. Ofcos I want Nigeria balkanized to its real constituents Nations. -The Greek project mention is to highlight what the future holds for Oil dependent Nigeria and how far removed she is from it colonial masters in Europe. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Was Nigeria Underdeveloped After 63 Years Of White Rule? by Nobody: 7:26pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
Rossikki:u see; those emboldened statements is FALSE. i'm not really sure about the development of SA in the 40s. Hong kong is still an autonomy of china and the brits left in the 40s while their industrialization started soon after the british left,so how did British developed hong kong? india was developed by the british colonialist, really? .....I laugh in hindi. as for Egypt.....guy, u've lost it. do u really think colonialist will develop another country? 2 Likes |
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