9inches:


I encourage you to come back home; share my faith, it's beautiful. It comes with the best gifts you can ever imagine. May the Spirit of truth do His work in you.

What do you mean by 'home' sir and what is your faith about?

Ubenedictus:
it is a religion for it includes belief in a supreme being,.... You can say it goes further and transcends all other religions but it is untrue and incorrect to claim Christianity isn't a religion.

That is a false dichotomy.

I agree with you sir. As far as the academic definition of religion is concerned as the belief in a Supreme Being, Christianity is a religion but as far as life of a Christian is concerned, being a Christian is quite different from being religious. It takes being a Christian by the experience of the new birth to understand this concept. Thanks.

UnchangeableGod:
Yes, every Christian is part of the royal priesthood. What I meant by Christ's priesthood not having a human proxy is that the system of ordaining some clergy priests in the 'Order of Melchizedek' is alien to the New Testament based on the Scriptures.

There is also a ministerial priesthood in the new covenant, that is the priesthood of those ordained in the line of the apostles....






Romans 15:15-16 --"But I have
written to you rather boldly in
some respects to remind you,
because of the grace given me by
God to be a minister of Christ
Jesus to the Gentiles in performing
the PRIESTLY service of the Gospel
of God, so that the offering up of
the Gentiles may be acceptable,
sanctified by the Holy Spirit."

Ubenedictus:



There is also a ministerial priesthood in the new covenant, that is the priesthood of those ordained in the line of the apostles....






Romans 15:15-16 --"But I have
written to you rather boldly in
some respects to remind you,
because of the grace given me by
God to be a minister of Christ
Jesus to the Gentiles in performing
the PRIESTLY service of the Gospel
of God, so that the offering up of
the Gentiles may be acceptable,
sanctified by the Holy Spirit."

Was Paul the Apostle ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic tradition then?

Ubenedictus:
I happen to be close to priests and these things you are talking about is just off.

Will you admit to them? Would i have admitted to them while still there?

Ubenedictus:
really hearsay?

Just tell us the name of the convent... Better still write to the bishop.

In Auchi.

UnchangeableGod:
Was Paul the Apostle ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic tradition then?

Was paul ordained priest in your church? We have hundreds of thousands of protestant churches with different doctrines. All of them are accusing the other of getting it wrong. Pls tell us which one paul was ordained in. I have been reading your comments. You seem to have your own dictionary. You define words the way you like.

The problem with this discussion is that there is no common ground. For example, you are insisting that the Bible has 66 books while the church fathers declared it to be 73. The church was using the Bible with73 books for more than 1000yrs until Martin Luther came and removed the deutroconical books. He even removed books like Hebrews and James though it was added back by some of the protestant fathers. I believe in what the church fathers said, not in what Martin Luther said.

You interpreted Revelation 22, 18 -19 as if it's talking about your whole Bible but actually those verses are talking about the book of revelation alone. The book of revelation was written when john was exiled to the island of patmos. When it was written the church fathers have not compiled the Bible. The book of revelation and other books of the new testament were hotly debated before they were declared scriptures and added to the Bible. Your interpretation is wrong or perhaps your church's interpretation is wrong as far as the Catholic Church is concerned. If i follow your interpretation, it then means that Martin Luther and other protestants will encounter damnation because they removed books from the Bible the church fathers authorized. Pls it will serve you right if you read a little bit of church history.

If the protestants removed Books from the Bible what prevents another group from removing more books from the Bible in the future and still call it holy scriptures.

I didn't want to comment on this issue cos i know we can never agree on anything because how your church interprete bible is not how Catholic and other churches do. We don't even use the same bible. Thanks

chipower:


Was paul ordained priest in your church? We have hundreds of thousands of protestant churches with different doctrines. All of them are accusing the other of getting it wrong. Pls tell us which one paul was ordained in. I have been reading your comments. You seem to have your own dictionary. You define words the way you like.

The problem with this discussion is that there is no common ground. For example, you are insisting that the Bible has 66 books while the church fathers declared it to be 73. The church was using the Bible with73 books for more than 1000yrs until Martin Luther came and removed the deutroconical books. He even removed books like Hebrews and James though it was added back by some of the protestant fathers. I believe in what the church fathers said, not in what Martin Luther said.

You interpreted Revelation 22, 18 -19 as if it's talking about your whole Bible but actually those verses are talking about the book of revelation alone. The book of revelation was written when john was exiled to the island of patmos. When it was written the church fathers have not compiled the Bible. The book of revelation and other books of the new testament were hotly debated before they were declared scriptures and added to the Bible. Your interpretation is wrong or perhaps your church's interpretation is wrong as far as the Catholic Church is concerned. If i follow your interpretation, it then means that Martin Luther and other protestants will encounter damnation because they removed books from the Bible the church fathers authorized. Pls it will serve you right if you read a little bit of church history.

If the protestants removed Books from the Bible what prevents another group from removing more books from the Bible in the future and still call it holy scriptures.

I didn't want to comment on this issue cos i know we can never agree on anything because how your church interprete bible is not how Catholic and other churches do. We don't even use the same bible. Thanks

Thanks for your long epistle. Sir, I think you are becoming emotional. I never said Paul was ordained a priest let alone in the Church where I worship. Let me repeat my question. Was Paul the Apostle ordained a priest according to the tradition of the Roman Catholic tradition? Are you inferring that the other 'books' which you claim were not added permit you to ordain human priests in 'the Order of Melchizedek' when the Old Testament priesthood is over and only Christ is eternally our High Priest in that Order. See, it is not only in Revelation that God warned us not to add or subtract from His infallible word (Proverbs 30:5,6). If anyone added or subtracted that is the person's cup of tea. The one I heard and keep on hearing by His grace brought me salvation, sanctification, baptism in the Holy Spirit, divine guidance, healings and other blessings snd miracles and I trust will take me Home. I need to other argument, I need no other plea. It is enough that Jesus died and that He died for me.

701ecilana:

In Auchi.

the bishop of auchi is most. Rev. Dr. Gabriel G. Dunia. He is a very down to earth person, please give the name of the convent and tell me if you 'll be happy to report them.

UnchangeableGod:
Was Paul the Apostle ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic tradition then?

Yes


To ordain is for a minister to lay hands on the ordained for the ministry. Paul was ordained for ministry in Antioch.



While they were worshiping the Lord and
fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me
Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have
called them.’ So after they had fasted and prayed,
they placed their hands on them and sent them
off. Acts 13:2-3

701ecilana:

Will you admit to them? Would i have admitted to them while still there?

Why not?

Ubenedictus:



Yes


To ordain is for a minister to lay hands on the ordained for the ministry. Paul was ordained for ministry in Antioch.



While they were worshiping the Lord and
fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me
Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have
called them.’ So after they had fasted and prayed,
they placed their hands on them and sent them
off. Acts 13:2-3

You are wrong sir. Saul of Tarsus who was renamed Paul after his conversion was not ordained a priest after the tradition of the Roman Catholic Church. He did not attend Seminary preparatory to becoming a priest after the Order of Melchizedek. It was after his conversion that he was commissioned for the ministry having been selected by the Holy Spirit along with Barnabas. My point is that the Roman Catholic priesthood is alien to the New Testament. It is purely Roman Catholic dogma. You may as well show me the scriptural justification from the other 'books that were omitted from the Bible' according to you.

chipower:


Was paul ordained priest in your church? We have hundreds of thousands of protestant churches with different doctrines. All of them are accusing the other of getting it wrong. Pls tell us which one paul was ordained in. I have been reading your comments. You seem to have your own dictionary. You define words the way you like.

The problem with this discussion is that there is no common ground. For example, you are insisting that the Bible has 66 books while the church fathers declared it to be 73. The church was using the Bible with73 books for more than 1000yrs until Martin Luther came and removed the deutroconical books. He even removed books like Hebrews and James though it was added back by some of the protestant fathers. I believe in what the church fathers said, not in what Martin Luther said.

You interpreted Revelation 22, 18 -19 as if it's talking about your whole Bible but actually those verses are talking about the book of revelation alone. The book of revelation was written when john was exiled to the island of patmos. When it was written the church fathers have not compiled the Bible. The book of revelation and other books of the new testament were hotly debated before they were declared scriptures and added to the Bible. Your interpretation is wrong or perhaps your church's interpretation is wrong as far as the Catholic Church is concerned. If i follow your interpretation, it then means that Martin Luther and other protestants will encounter damnation because they removed books from the Bible the church fathers authorized. Pls it will serve you right if you read a little bit of church history.

If the protestants removed Books from the Bible what prevents another group from removing more books from the Bible in the future and still call it holy scriptures.

I didn't want to comment on this issue cos i know we can never agree on anything because how your church interprete bible is not how Catholic and other churches do. We don't even use the same bible. Thanks

According to Church history, about 73 books were recommended by the Church Fathers to be considered for canonization as Scripture. After prayerful and careful consideration by Spirit filled men of God using certain parameters and yardsticks, 66 of them passed the test and became canon. Littje wonder, whatever you need and will ever need, whatever is of concern to any human being born or yet to be born, there is provision for it in the (66 books of the canonized) holy Bible. Go no further sir except there is something else, other than how to walk and please God as well as get His abiding presence and reward in this world and hereafter that you are looking for.

Ubenedictus:
Why not?

Ubenedictus. I was there and I covered them up. You know what am talking about.

Ubenedictus:
the bishop of auchi is most. Rev. Dr. Gabriel G. Dunia. He is a very down to earth person, please give the name of the convent and tell me if you 'll be happy to report them.

You are very funny. He himself did the things talked about here. Will he tell you?

I never was there. A friend of mine was, she left being a nun because of the evil she discovered inside there that the world doesn't know and can not know.

She said the Convent is a totally different world from the outside world. Lesbianism flows freely.

You are talking about reporting to the Bishop so that Bishop will do what? Is he clean?

UnchangeableGod:
According to Church history, about 73 books were recommended by the Church Fathers to be considered for canonization as Scripture. After prayerful and careful consideration by Spirit filled men of God using certain parameters and yardsticks, 66 of them passed the test and became canon. Littje wonder, whatever you need and will ever need, whatever is of concern to any human being born or yet to be born, there is provision for it in the (66 books of the canonized) holy Bible. Go no further sir except there is something else, other than how to walk and please God as well as get His abiding presence and reward in this world and hereafter that you are looking for.

This illogical statements is getting too much. You want to lie too. Pls qoute your source

Wikipedia has council of hippo and council of catharge held by the early church fathers.I don't want to qoute catholic sources.

chipower:


This illogical statements is getting too much. You want to lie too. Pls qoute your source

Please what is illogical about my assertion? To lie means to say something that one knows is not true with a view to deceiving others. The person I quoted said something about some books being removed from the Bible thereby making it incomplete. I quite agree that some were removed or to put it more correctly, not added and why it was so. This is what I learnt years back and as soon as I get the link to the source, I will send it. Thanks.

chipower:
Wikipedia has council of hippo and council of catharge held by the early church fathers.I don't want to qoute catholic sources.

Wikipedia though very reliable, does not have all the information because the writers do not know everything as human beings that they are. So their information is limited to what they are privileged to know. Thanks.

UnchangeableGod:
Wikipedia though very reliable, does not have all the information because the writers do not know everything as human beings that they are. So their information is limited to what they are privileged to know. Thanks.

Wikipedia lied because it's not in your favour. At this point, im going to quit the discussion because i don't deal with people who are not truthful. You want to change history just to gain advantage. And you claim to have gotten salvaged etc. Well if you deny the the obvious,i wonder. Even many protestant apologists don't deny this fact rather they give reasons why they believed those books deserved to be removed. You said limited information as if this history is not well documented. Your comments baffle me, to be truthful to you. Don't expect me to respond again. Bye

UnchangeableGod:
What do you mean by 'home' sir and what is your faith about?

Home is where the early Church fathers live and my faith, amongst all other things you might know of, lies on the tradition and authority to interpret and as well teach the Good News of our Lord Jesus Christ to all mankind.

chipower:


Wikipedia lied because it's not in your favour. At this point, im going to quit the discussion because i don't deal with people who are not truthful. You want to change history just to gain advantage. And you claim to have gotten salvaged etc. Well if you deny the the obvious,i wonder. Even many protestant apologists don't deny this fact rather they give reasons why they believed those books deserved to be removed. You said limited information as if this history is not well documented. Your comments baffle me, to be truthful to you. Don't expect me to respond again. Bye

I never said Wikipedia lied. I only said the writers, just like you and I, are limited in their knowledge. I don't want history to be changed to gain advantage either. By the way, which advantage am I trying to gain? Let us assume that all the 73 books are all inspired by the Holy Spirit. It then means the 66 which are in the Bible are inspired. Millions, if not billions of people have been delivered, saved, sanctified, healed, blessed, fulfilled in life and ministry as well as gone to glory by listening to and living by the gospel/messages based on the 66 books (Genesis to Revelations). So to me, one does not need to go further. It is not necessary. Thanks.

9inches:


Home is where the early Church fathers live and my faith, amongst all other things you might know of, lies on the tradition and authority to interpret and as well teach the Good News of our Lord Jesus Christ to all mankind.

And how do I find where the early Church fathers live or lived sir?

9inches:


Home is where the early Church fathers live and my faith, amongst all other things you might know of, lies on the tradition and authority to interpret and as well teach the Good News of our Lord Jesus Christ to all mankind.

If that sums up your faith, good luck to you sir. My own faith in based on the teachings of Christ and His Apostles handed over to us through the Holy Bible. It is based on the sacrifices and vicarious death of Christ on the Cross of Calvary to redeem me and take away my sins. I heard the gospel, repented of my sins and surrendered my life to the Saviour in line with the Scriptures after being a devoted religious sinner for years. My life changed from a sinner to a saint. I was also healed of certain ailments as I had faith in His power to heal. I am presently being used by God to help others find the truth, be saved, healed and delivered (where necessary) and have a lifelong relationship with the Saviour as He commanded. My faith is not in a denomination. It is only on Christ Who loved me so much as to suffer and die for me and rescue me from sin and its consequences of eternal damnation. I pray you will realise what I have realized if you are yet to I J N, Amen.

UnchangeableGod:
And how do I find where the early Church fathers live or lived sir?

History books, including the bible.

UnchangeableGod:
If that sums up your faith, good luck to you sir. My own faith in based on the teachings of Christ and His Apostles handed over to us through the Holy Bible. It is based on the sacrifices and vicarious death of Christ on the Cross of Calvary to redeem me and take away my sins. I heard the gospel, repented of my sins and surrendered my life to the Saviour in line with the Scriptures after being a devoted religious sinner for years. My life changed from a sinner to a saint. I was also healed of certain ailments as I had faith in His power to heal. I am presently being used by God to help others find the truth, be saved, healed and delivered (where necessary) and have a lifelong relationship with the Saviour as He commanded. My faith is not in a denomination. It is only on Christ Who loved me so much as to suffer and die for me and rescue me from sin and its consequences of eternal damnation. I pray you will realise what I have realized if you are yet to I J N, Amen.

Read again, clearly.

9inches:
Home is where the early Church fathers live and my faith, amongst all other things you might know of, lies on the tradition and authority to interpret and as well teach the Good News of our Lord Jesus Christ to all mankind.

9inches:

History books, including the bible.

You said I should come back 'home'. If where I can find home is in history books including the Bible (which is the most authentic and reliable of all books), then I am already home sir. Thanks.

701ecilana:

Ubenedictus. I was there and I covered them up. You know what am talking about.

I am not you. That you will will do such despicable thing such as covering for a crime doesn't mean i'll do do same.

UnchangeableGod:
And how do I find where the early Church fathers live or lived sir?

read up the writing of the Early Church fathers and you will know where they lived.

UnchangeableGod:
According to Church history, about 73 books were recommended by the Church Fathers to be considered for canonization as Scripture. After prayerful and careful consideration by Spirit filled men of God using certain parameters and yardsticks, 66 of them passed the test and became canon. Littje wonder, whatever you need and will ever need, whatever is of concern to any human being born or yet to be born, there is provision for it in the (66 books of the canonized) holy Bible. Go no further sir except there is something else, other than how to walk and please God as well as get His abiding presence and reward in this world and hereafter that you are looking for.

No you are Wrong again.


The books considered were about 100 the books canonised were 73, after 1000 years martin letter started the Protestant Church and removed 7 books.


You Protestants have an incomplete bible.

UnchangeableGod:
You are wrong sir. Saul of Tarsus who was renamed Paul after his conversion was not ordained a priest after the tradition of the Roman Catholic Church. He did not attend Seminary preparatory to becoming a priest after the Order of Melchizedek. It was after his conversion that he was commissioned for the ministry having been selected by the Holy Spirit along with Barnabas. My point is that the Roman Catholic priesthood is alien to the New Testament. It is purely Roman Catholic dogma. You may as well show me the scriptural justification from the other 'books that were omitted from the Bible' according to you.

Do not be ignorant.

The Catholic priesthood priesthood does not consist in seminary attendance, that is simply a requirement to ensure a priest priest is well learned and knowledgeable. One becomes a priest when he is laid hands upon by the bishop and the presbytery and empowered for the priestly ministry of the new testament.


Just as Paul was ordained, so catholic priests. That is the Catholic tradition and has been observed for 2000yrs

Ubenedictus:
I am not you. That you will will do such despicable thing such as covering for a crime doesn't mean i'll do do same.

Even you know that you are lying right now.