babaearly:

I heard a sermon by Pastor Chris some time back, but i cant transcribe everything i heard but the main part i picked was when he talked about Born again christians and sin - that it is not in the nature of a born again christian to sin. Since he has put on the nature of Christ, he is not a sinner, and even if he sins, he is still not a sinner because he is born again. A cec member confirmed it too. Really? Is that what the word of God says?

Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. (James 4:

petres_007:


Seriously,

I think there's some point in what pastor Chris said here, if what he understands by the word "sinner" is someone who's given over to sin and does not know Christ at all. james on the other hand simply obviously understood "sinner" to mean anyone who sins, whether unbelievers (as its their nature) or believers (though they're not supposed to).
Just my thoughts. . .

Teee heee heee . i laugh in foreign language of satanic! . here comes out my fellow satanist . . . .s@mi my dear brother you're 100 percent right and i strongly agree with you Christians are not only Confused but they're twisted Confused + condemned. .

Tell me how's your side. . . .je petit problem avec mon facebook . mais apres je voudre contacte le responsable pour fait la solution demain .


Thanks you're here to share on this. . . .

S@mi:

lolxx christians are so confused that's all !, lolxx

The sinners are the people who have not been born again. A man is not a sinner because of what he did wrong . He was born into it through Adam. We are born into righteousnes and not by our good deed.

yehmi01:

Rom 10:1  Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the poster and others like him, that they might be saved.
Rom 10:2  For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. (Paraphrase)

Sin is a nature. Jesus died for the nature called sin. Not for smokers or thieves or people that kill, e.t.c thats y there is notin like big or small sin
once you are saved you no longer  carry the nature called sin. If any man be in christ he his a new creation.

Right there a believer cannot  sin thats y the bible says >>when he falls he will rise when he ask for forgiveness

But a sinner can not pray for forgiveness, once the nature of sin is still present. 
But believers when they fall the blood of Jesus  cries out on there behalf

(1Jo 2:1  My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: )
And he knows only those in Him so when his blood that speaks better things than that of Abel cries it does it for those in Christ.
   

Am sure thats its cos of pple like you Elder John addressed you as MY LITTLE CHILDREN. nepils (babes) who no notin about the word

So please pick your bible and Study To show your self Approved.

Ogaga4Luv:

[size=13pt]Teee heee heee . i laugh in foreign language of satanic! . here comes out my fellow satanist . . . .s@mi my dear brother you're 100 percent right and i strongly agree with you Christians are not only Confused but they're twisted Confused + condemned.   .

Tell me how's your side. . . .je petit problem avec mon facebook . mais apres je voudre contacte le responsable pour fait la solution demain .


Thanks you're here to share on this. . . . [/size]

Sonofpeace:

You did not read verse 4 of 1John 2, Once one compromises Gods standard and principles that person is automatically a sinner but maybe not condemn unto death(1John 5:17) and know ye therefore that the sin unto death are sins against the holy spirit (which leds to retrobate spirit) while the sin not unto death are sins committed but not against the holy spirit(which can be forgiven if the person in question ask God for forgiveness while on earth) but can lead one into eternal death(Romans 8:13). I have this question for you, What if that your so called believer-sinner did not ask for forgiveness, what will be his fate if he eventually die?

oludashmi:

Good question!

Take a look at this scenario, you have a father who gives you all you want and has promised to will his entire property to you IF you continue to be an obedient child. But suddenly, you were led astray by friends and started misbehaving, he called on you to dismember yourself from the bad group but you were reluctant to do so, this brought a communication gap between you and him and you never settled that with him till his death.

Even though you have his genes in you which makes him your biological father, do you expect to have his property? NO!! Because having his property is with a clause or a condition, IF. Or will you say a Christian who died while fighting on the street will make heaven? He will be judged by his last doing even though his beginning was good, how about his end?

Many Christians will end up in the unexpected cos of a rift they never settled with God while on earth even though they might be prophesying and speaking in different tongues but have forgotten that the unforgiven sin remains uncleansed.

In a nutshell, a Christian who sins is still a Christian but with a stain on his white robe which will fish him out and prevent him from dining with the stainless at the occasion.

Ogaga4Luv:

[size=13pt]I have always known that Christianity is a very bad idea gone wrong. . . .what an interesting thread!?! . A born twice Christian is not a sinner even if he or she sins . don't you think you can tell that to 1 year old child and give you a dirty slap?.

Don't be deceived. . .we can't do without sin as human being. anyone trying to avoid sin is avoiding himself . Sinning isn't a crime or any offense as it makes us feel alright and comfortable . we should learn to be a sinner and Sin with all boldness. . . .i hate it when religious people are pretending and still we are all in the same guter.
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Acidosis:

The BIBLE says, ''the soul that sinneth shall die''. ''the wages of sin is death''. Some of these pastors are only trying to reframe the word of God in other to suit their congregation, remember that God can't be mocked.

For God's sake, how can a man of God say such a ridiculous statement. So even a man in the faith caught sleeping with another man's wife is not a sinner, God! help us in this end time.

Sonofpeace:

I commend your illustration, it was really splendid but i guess you missed the answer to your illustration. If a man's son could disobey him without any remorse or rependance the son automatically disowed himself from his father. From what i know about the creation of man everybody were created/made by one person(Almighty God) but according to Romans 3:23 all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And if that is true, what is the difference btw the prodigal son(unbeliever) and the forgiven prodigal (that disobeyed his father)? Mind you both of them were of the same father.