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Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by shaybebaby(f): 11:13pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
vaxx:When we migrated to Europe, we killed them because we were competing against them for resources. Ofcourse because we had evolved larger brains, we were more technologically advanced(tools etc) we gained the upper hand. Although not before some fvcking. Some people carry their genes today. And for every time we have conflicts like that, the same human species enacts rules to try to prevent such instances repeating itself in the same manner. Eg, the European convention of human rights was formed in response to what? Yup! You guessed it! The second world war. And this has resulted in 70 years of peace in western Europe. Why do we bother? To ensure survival of our species. In 2030 or thereabouts, we are planning the first manned voyage to the red planet to establish the first colony. Life there is already being simulated here in preparation for those who are making that one way journey. Why? Because we are already overpopulated, because we may suffer a natural disaster that will wipe us out(maybe nuke ourselves) etc Should earth ever become uninhabitable, we are already looking for a home outside. TO ENSURE THAT OUR SPECIE SURVIVES. Again, what place has morality got in all of that? 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by butterflyl1on: 11:14pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
dalaman: Chai. If killing can be interpreted to mean murder or assassination does it mean killing of a person never took place? If I murder someone for the sake of the society, to me it is murder but for the societal laws to make it legal or give me a cover they can change it to "I eliminated a national threat" Does that mean I did not commit murder? |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by dalaman: 11:14pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: You can start by telling me how the leaders will deem rape as beneficial to the society. Let's begin from there. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by butterflyl1on: 11:15pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
shaybebaby: And I have told you that as long as interest is there for the "specie" of humans, morality is inherent. |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by dalaman: 11:18pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: The dictionary defines murder as: murder ˈməːdə/ noun 1. the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Killing an enemy of the state is NOT murder because it is NOT unlawful. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by shaybebaby(f): 11:18pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:They care enough to want to survive. They know nothing yet they migrate across the serengeti in search of water during a drought? Or salmon which is salt water fish migrating up fresh water rivers to lay their eggs in order to give them a better chance at survival than if they were in the sea? Different methods, same results. Survival our species. Where is morality? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by DoctorAlien(m): 11:19pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
dalaman: Would the leaders not deem rape as beneficial to the society if ALL of them are of the view that rape is really good and beneficial to them as individuals and to the society(despite what your opinion on rape is)? If they would, is rape really good? |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by butterflyl1on: 11:20pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
dalaman: So killing an enemy of the state is not murder because a pen and paper says it's not? It's not unlawful that you murdered a man because he is seen as an enemy of the state and the law said for such death is allowed. In other words you got a license to kill in a premeditated manner. |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by shaybebaby(f): 11:22pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:And I am saying that we are driven by the same need present in other species, survival. Morality is not inherent in them, neither is it us. It is a construct by humans which can be deconstructed and is when it does not aid survival. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by dalaman: 11:22pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: You are still not answering my questions. What reasons can the leaders give for rape being beneficial to the society? 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by butterflyl1on: 11:23pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
shaybebaby: Animals simply want to survive. Their response is natural to them. Humans do not simply want to survive and in the process become like animals. We guide ourselves consciously through moral laws. Animals hold no such order or response. Anything they do is as in the wild. No control, no care. Salmons and the like simply respond to natures call to spawn and it has nothing to do with morals |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by dalaman: 11:25pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Sure, so long as the society says it's not unlawful then it remains so. It is not murder. People that execute criminals are not murderers. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by butterflyl1on: 11:26pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
shaybebaby: If you say morality is a human construct would you rather not have them? |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by vaxx: 11:27pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
shaybebaby:no scientific evidence suggest human are the cause of Neanderthals extinction.... The cause is a natural phenomenon...and no scientific evidence suggest we are smarter than them....they .may be more intelligent than us due to their larger brain.. Europe may be peaceful than Asia and Africa....butbit is not peaceful... Take Russia and Ukraine as a case study....what about frequent terrorist attack in UK, ,Germany ,and France... Human has been a selfish figure from day one We always want to get control over everything.... My question again is selfishness a moral act? 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by shaybebaby(f): 11:28pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
vaxx:No, wherever prostitution is legalised, it is to prevent exploitation, trafficking and to give protection to sex workers. Better to regulate them out in the open, where they can be protected that drive them underground where the previous points mentioned which are far more deleterious to them, can happen. And yes, why shouldn't they pay taxes too from their trade? They drive on roads, they rely on the police for protection, they use hospitals etc. It is only fair they contribute their fair share. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by butterflyl1on: 11:29pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
dalaman: Execute and criminals are just words. Human societal laws simply evolve as our interests pique or wane in those directions and how then can this make anything stable when today we even have people getting married to objects like cars, chairs, shoes. Where then do societal laws find its limits . |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by DeSepiero(m): 11:32pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Soldiers do. |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by butterflyl1on: 11:33pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
DeSepiero: Does it still not make it murder simply because someone wrote on paper that it's Okay to kill an enemy of state? |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by vaxx: 11:34pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
shaybebaby:your answer is both yes and no....that is a disagreement.... You just tick one of the cause of prostituttion legalization And you also tick another important cause....to raised physical cash.... The western will not legalized what is not economical gainful.... 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by shaybebaby(f): 11:35pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
vaxx:It is neither moral nor immoral. |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by butterflyl1on: 11:36pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
vaxx: Which means what their idea of morality in some cases is based on their selfish interest even when it is wrong as long as it benefits them then with a stroke of a pen they can make it legal. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by shaybebaby(f): 11:36pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
vaxx:Then why haven't we legalised drugs? |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by vaxx: 11:37pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
shaybebaby:so what human aspect does it fall to....greediness I suggest |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by butterflyl1on: 11:38pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
shaybebaby: The issue is not solely about you but about what is generally acceptable as a standard for morality. We have about 30 countries today who have legalised marijuana. Why did they legalise it even when other countries have not. |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by DoctorAlien(m): 11:39pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
dalaman: I don't understand why you'really asking me. Anyway, the leaders could reason like this: "99.9% of the people say that it is good for them. Therefore rape is good for 99.9% of the society. If so, then rape is good for virtually everyone on the society. Therefore, rape is good for the society." So, having come up with this reason, they deem rape good. Is rape really good? |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by vaxx: 11:39pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
shaybebaby:some state in the USA has legalized cannabis why Netherlands has legalized it too... |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by DeSepiero(m): 11:40pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: You may want to make a point straight up because it seems like a rigmarole. Laws are made for the greater good of a society and not necessarily for individual profit. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by shaybebaby(f): 11:40pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:I'm indifferent. I have no use for morality. |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by butterflyl1on: 11:41pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
DeSepiero: The one murdered was he not also part of the greater good of a society? |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by butterflyl1on: 11:41pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
shaybebaby: Case closed! So anything is permissible for you. |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by shaybebaby(f): 11:42pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
vaxx:Hardly representative of the West. |
Re: Atheists And Morality. A Question! by vaxx: 11:45pm On Sep 30, 2017 |
shaybebaby:when you are talking about west. USA is a power house .that can not be downsized... Netherlands is another strong force again |
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