And yipee!!! today is my birthday...

Happy birthday to me...

OkaiCorne:



Read what I posted, I stated fear OR conviction. Not fear of conviction. Don't misunderstand me please.

Read what I posted again.

Back to the matter on ground.
Are you saying that over 6 billion people in the world are delusional, but you are right?

Are you saying that Albert Einstein who believed in the god of Baruc Spinoza was also delusional? But Stephen Dawkins that is a global leading atheist is undeluded and right?

What makes over 6 billion people that believes in the existence of a Creator delusional and wrong and that you are undeluded and right?

Actually, over 6 billion people in the world are delusional, and people like me are right.

In fact, almost all the people in the world do not have facts that the Gods they believe in exists. It's just a belief which is a delusion as far as there is no evidence to prove it.

Albert Einstein never believed in a God who created people in his own image, he believed in nature which is the basis of Spinozism. Have you read about the Spinoza God? Spinozism does not promote a life form as a God. It said God is a substance which is infinite, self-caused and eternal and equates it to nature.

Energy blends well with the idea of Spinozism especially where it said "God" has many modes. Energy has many modes too. Energy is similar to the Spinoza God. Which makes sense

According to German philosopher Karl Jaspers, when Spinoza wrote "Deus sive Natura" ("God or Nature" Spinoza meant God was Natura naturans not Natura naturata, that is, "a dynamic nature in action, growing and changing, not a passive or static thing."

OkaiCorne:


There are scholars who argue in favor of terrorism? Are they crazy or what? Turning children into orphans makes the world a better place? Because some fool.s want to depopulate it?

I give up mehn... just when I thought I've heard it all, something new blows up my ear drums

I smell emotions.

It's good to want to turn the world into a good habitable place, but one of the processes of achieving that is to reduce overpopulation.

I don't support terrorism, but it is reducing the world's population. It is evil, it is really evil. I would just say let what will happen, happen.

But don't bring your emotions here, there are some matters emotions cannot solve.

frank317:


Ask for MATE bar... off park road on ur way to barraks. It used to be the best joint zaria... i bet u will have a good time.

Thanks bro, you used to stay in Zaria?

OkaiCorne:
And yipee!!! today is my birthday...

Happy birthday to me...

HBD Boss. LLNP.

Mine is Dec 5.

Akin1212:


HBD Boss. LLNP.

Mine is Dec 5.

You are also Sagittarius...

No wonder we've been tough on ourselves since

Thanks for the birthday wishes boss

Akin1212:


I smell emotions.

It's good to want to turn the world into a good habitable place, but one of the processes of achieving that is to reduce overpopulation.

I don't support terrorism, but it is reducing the world's population. It is evil, it is really evil. I would just say let what will happen, happen.

But don't bring your emotions here, there are some matters emotions cannot solve.

I hope you are not also implying that committing suicide means doing the world a favor.

Things would always balance out themselves over time. The system in nature has put cycles of drought and abundance, pestilence and immunity e.t.c. to check the population growth of man.

Akin1212:


Thanks bro, you used to stay in Zaria?

Yap born and bred...more than half of my early life in z town

OkaiCorne:




I hope you are not also implying that committing suicide means doing the world a favor.

Things would always balance out themselves over time. The system in nature has put cycles of drought and abundance, pestilence and immunity e.t.c. to check the population growth of man.

Does terrorism translate to suicide? Suicide can never be effective when it comes to depopulation.

With the system, the world population keeps increasing daily, nothing is balancing out. With all the droughts and other tragedies. Population still grows.

frank317:


Yap born and bred...more than half of my early life in z town

Wow, that's nice.

frank317:


Yap born and bred...more than half of my early life in z town

Sup man...been a while.

Trust you've been doing great. Hope you had a good week thus far.

Akin1212:


Actually, over 6 billion people in the world are delusional, and people like me are right.

In fact, almost all the people in the world do not have facts that the Gods they believe in exists. It's just a belief which is a delusion as far as there is no evidence to prove it.

Albert Einstein never believed in a God who created people in his own image, he believed in nature which is the basis of Spinozism. Have you read about the Spinoza God? Spinozism does not promote a life form as a God. It said God is a substance which is infinite, self-caused and eternal and equates it to nature.

Energy blends well with the idea of Spinozism especially where it said "God" has many modes. Energy has many modes too. Energy is similar to the Spinoza God. Which makes sense

According to German philosopher Karl Jaspers, when Spinoza wrote "Deus sive Natura" ("God or Nature" Spinoza meant God was Natura naturans not Natura naturata, that is, "a dynamic nature in action, growing and changing, not a passive or static thing."

I'm very happy you can synthesize "God" with many modes and see Him from the view point of nature and science. Keep it up...with time, you'll be able to see more perspectives of "God" apart from Energy and Nature. (I am not being sarcastic here)

Unless you are claiming you know it all right now...

Akin1212:


Actually, over 6 billion people in the world are delusional, and people like me are right.

In fact, almost all the people in the world do not have facts that the Gods they believe in exists. It's just a belief which is a delusion as far as there is no evidence to prove it.

Albert Einstein never believed in a God who created people in his own image, he believed in nature which is the basis of Spinozism. Have you read about the Spinoza God? Spinozism does not promote a life form as a God. It said God is a substance which is infinite, self-caused and eternal and equates it to nature.

Energy blends well with the idea of Spinozism especially where it said "God" has many modes. Energy has many modes too. Energy is similar to the Spinoza God. Which makes sense

According to German philosopher Karl Jaspers, when Spinoza wrote "Deus sive Natura" ("God or Nature" Spinoza meant God was Natura naturans not Natura naturata, that is, "a dynamic nature in action, growing and changing, not a passive or static thing."

Back to the bolded, you are not delusional...neither are theists delusional(well those that knows what they are doing and not just following blind faith).

You have made a choice on where to put your anchor and build your foundation, and you have built your beliefs on that foundation. Perhaps you never had a deep foundation in theism as you do in energy right now. Before you conclude on all theists being delusional, there are theists that had personal experiences and convictions that led them to die for what they believed in (I'm not referring to suicide bombers).

For example, are you concluding that the early Christians that were fed to lions or burned alive in the Roman Empire were delusional? Or the Christian women that were brutally raped by roman soldiers while their husbands watched were delusional? Or those that were tied in a bag full of poisonous snakes and scorpions with heavy stones and thrown into the sea to drown were delusional? NO they had COMPLETE TRUST (faith and conviction) in Jesus and the things He stood for i.e. Unconditional Love for God and man, just like how you have pitched your tent in having COMPLETE TRUST in Energy.

I will share a link on the story of a gifted child artist (now a fully grown woman). Her name is Akiane Kramarik...and please, if you were not in her shoes to experience what she experienced, don't conclude she is delusional

Akiane Kramarik was a child born to Parents who did not have a firm belief in God, but now her Parents are Theists and Christians. Kindly check out her story below;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akiane

Early life
Akiane Kramarik was born on July 9, 1994, in Mount Morris, Illinois, to a Lithuanian mother and an non-practicing Catholic American father. Kramarik professed the Christian faith at a young age, saying she saw the face of Jesus Christ in her visions and stating that she "brought her family to Christianity".Her education began at a public school, but she was later homeschooled.

Paintings
Kramarik is a self-taught painter and states that God spoke to her when she was four years old, encouraging her to draw and paint her visions. She began to draw at the age of four, advanced to painting at six, and began to write poetry at seven. Her first completed self-portrait sold for US$10,000.

Kramarik's paintings are often allegorical as well as spiritual, involving likenesses of Jesus, children, and animals, as well as self-portraits. She often draws inspiration from magazine pictures. However, according to Kramarik, her main inspiration comes from her visions of heaven and her personal connection with God. By age 12, she had completed sixty large paintings. Some of her works have been purchased by the US Embassy in Singapore.She completed over 200 artworks and 800 literary works and has published two best-selling books.

At the age of 10, Kramarik appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show. At the age of 12, she appeared on CNN. She appeared in the 68th episode of The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson in 2005 and the 21st episode of Katie in 2012.

Visions
In her very first encounter with the supernatural, four-and-a-half-year-old Akiane Kramarik is said to have mysteriously vanished for a period of time, in which she is claimed to have transcended time and space and entered temporarily into a higher spiritual realm.[citation needed]

"Undetectable, I remember splitting into a myriad fragments, hundreds upon hundreds of eyes that could see in all directions and participate in many imperative planetary and extra-planetary proceedings all at the same time. Then, after many long hours, I reappeared in the midst of numerous eye-witnesses, right by the windows in the crescent shaped corridor of our house. Neither my family, nor the officers, nor I could comprehend what had really happened, nor did we discuss it any more as it carried rather distressing and inexplicable association."

She also states regarding this event that, "This voice was following me, guiding me through these galaxies; and then I asked him, 'Do you know, Who are you?' And then I started calling him God."In another incident, which is recorded in the book, Akiane: Her Life, Her Art, Her Poetry, recounts the report made by young Akiane (then age four) of her first encounter with the "Light", which she retold to her mother as follows:

"Today I met God," Akiane whispered to me one morning.

"What is God?" I was surprised to hear this. To me, God's name always sounded absurd and primitive.
"God is light-warm and good. It knows everything and talks with me. It is my parent."
"Tell me more about your dream."
"It was not a dream. It was real!"
I looked at her slightly puffed eyes, and in complete disbelief I kept on asking her questions. "So who is your God?"
"I cannot tell you." Akiane lowered her head.
"Me? You cannot tell your own mom?"
"The Light told me not to." She was firm.

The representation of Jesus Christ depicted in her painting, Prince of Peace: The Resurrection, featured in the book, Heaven Is for Real is said by Akiane to have been first revealed to her by God in a vision at age eight.

Spirituality
In an interview with KCTS 9, Kramarik described her family’s religious beliefs, saying, "You know, I have to tell you, we went through almost everything. We went from being Christian to being Catholic, we studied Buddhism… but at this particular point, I think every single [one] of my siblings, they have their own path, their own spiritual enlightenment they are reaching. I have my own, my parents have theirs, and my brothers have theirs. I cannot say what they believe in or what path they are choosing, but for me, I can say I am the same person [as] I was when I was four years old… I am spiritual."

Prince of Peace
In early 2003, Akiane painted her first portrait of Jesus, entitled Prince of Peace: The Resurrection. John Roth, a carpenter from Sandpoint, Idaho, was asked by Akiane to model for the painting representing Jesus.[citation needed]

"In 2014, Akiane’s Jesus Prince of Peace painting was featured in the bestselling book, Heaven is for Real, the true story of 4-year-old Colton Burpo’s encounter with Jesus during his heavenly near-death experience. After seeing an array of images of Jesus, Colton Burpo, the subject of the book, identified the Prince of Peace painting by Akiane Kramarik as the Real Face of Jesus as he experienced the Lord while in heaven.”

Colton Burpo, a near-death survivor at age four, had been identifying deceased family members from photographs, and the family had been searching for images that matched the boy's description of Jesus. It was not until Kramarik's Prince of Peace, a portrait of Jesus, was shown many years later on Glenn Beck's The Blaze, that Burpo confirmed that "they finally got one right." Burpo's story is told in the New York Times number-one, best-selling book, Heaven Is for Real (2010) and its film adaptation (2014). Kramarik is referenced in the film as the "young Lithuanian girl" and is shown with her painting at the beginning and the end of the movie.

I would have concluded Akiane Kramarik was delusional, but there was a confirmation from another different witness who was a 4 year old child at the time named Colton Burpo.

Unless you want to conclude that the other witness (Colton Burpo) who had a Near Death Experience was also delusional to see the exact same face of Jesus.

Based on the vision Akiane Kramarik had as a tender child. This is the true face of Jesus...considering the fact that she was a prodigy at Painting;

Bear in mind that another unrelated witness (Colton Burpo) corroborated this same face at the tender age of 4 in a near death experience.

When you meet Akiane Kramarik or Colton Burpo and argue with them that God does not exist, based on their experience in the realm of Eternity...they would also think you are Delusional.

You can check out more of her paintings here;
https://akiane.com/

OkaiCorne:
And yipee!!! today is my birthday...

Happy birthday to me...

Happy birthday OkaiCorne.
Live long and prosper.

budaatum:

Happy birthday OkaiCorne.
Live long and prosper.

Thanks boss...God bless you real good

OkaiCorne:


Thanks boss...God bless you real good

And you too, amen.

OkaiCorne:


I'm very happy you can synthesize "God" with many modes and see Him from the view point of nature and science. Keep it up...with time, you'll be able to see more perspectives of "God" apart from Energy and Nature. (I am not being sarcastic here)

Unless you are claiming you know it all right now...

You don't need to force God on me. I am not seeing God from any mode. There is no God and I am firm on that already.

I was only trying to explain Spinozism to you, not my own views. I do not see God as energy, neither do I see him as nature. I see him as nonexistent, and you need to understand that fact.

OkaiCorne:


Back to the bolded, you are not delusional...neither are theists delusional(well those that knows what they are doing and not just following blind faith).

You have made a choice on where to put your anchor and build your foundation, and you have built your beliefs on that foundation. Perhaps you never had a deep foundation in theism as you do in energy right now. Before you conclude on all theists being delusional, there are theists that had personal experiences and convictions that led them to die for what they believed in (I'm not referring to suicide bombers).

For example, are you concluding that the early Christians that were fed to lions or burned alive in the Roman Empire were delusional? Or the Christian women that were brutally raped by roman soldiers while their husbands watched were delusional? Or those that were tied in a bag full of poisonous snakes and scorpions with heavy stones and thrown into the sea to drown were delusional? NO they had COMPLETE TRUST (faith and conviction) in Jesus and the things He stood for i.e. Unconditional Love for God and man, just like how you have pitched your tent in having COMPLETE TRUST in Energy.

I will share a link on the story of a gifted child artist (now a fully grown woman). Her name is Akiane Kramarik...and please, if you were not in her shoes to experience what she experienced, don't conclude she is delusional

Akiane Kramarik was a child born to Parents who did not have a firm belief in God, but now her Parents are Theists and Christians. Kindly check out her story below;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akiane

Of course, I cannot be delusional because I do not have a belief. But theists are fully delusional because they do, they do not conform to reality. If there is a system that just wants you to believe that something exists without showing you what exists, then delusion is in question.

I did not build my beliefs on any foundation. I don't have beliefs, it's a matter of empirical evidence. I don't believe something I cannot see is at work just like theists do... You should know that too.

People can die for false beliefs, it doesn't make it right. You cannot exempt suicide bombers from the list because they are also dying for their belief.

I don't have complete trust in energy, where are all these assertions coming from? It seems you are trying to force me into a belief system or what? Did I tell you I trust in energy?

I don't need to be in a child artist shoes before I conclude she is delusional. If you claim you have a certain encounter with a spirit, then what do you term that? it's delusion bro.

OkaiCorne:
Based on the vision Akiane Kramarik had as a tender child. This is the true face of Jesus...considering the fact that she was a prodigy at Painting;

Bear in mind that another unrelated witness (Colton Burpo) corroborated this same face at the tender age of 4 in a near death experience.

When you meet Akiane Kramarik or Colton Burpo and argue with them that God does not exist, based on their experience in the realm of Eternity...they would also think you are Delusional.

You can check out more of her paintings here;
https://akiane.com/

Do you realize how ridiculous you seem right now? Children's dreams and fantasy is what you base your belief on?

Lol, let me just laugh my heart out loud

I don't give a Bleep about what people are seeing in their heads bro, talk more of children's fantasies.

If God is real, let him show himself in this REAL world, else, he doesn't. Or there's something your God cannot do?

Akin1212:


Do you realize how ridiculous you seem right now? Children's dreams and fantasy is what you base your belief on?

Lol, let me just laugh my heart out loud

I don't give a Bleep about what people are seeing in their heads bro, talk more of children's fantasies.

If God is real, let him show himself in this REAL world, else, he doesn't. Or there's something your God cannot do?

Children's dreams and fantasies? Two unrelated witnesses seeing the same face is still a fantasy? quite interesting. What of the numerous testimonies of others - both adults and kids that died (not Near Death Experience) and came back to life? Were they also having delusional fantasies? Do you have incontrovertible evidences to counter these people and let them know they are delusional? Can you prove to CNN, Oprah Winfrey and the entire world that what Akiane Kramarik and Colton Burpo experienced is a HOAX?

It's not about me being religious, I am giving you reasons for other people's convictions and why they believe what they believe. Please don't miss the point I'm trying to pass across.

You are not in the best position to tell others they are delusional if you have not experienced what they have experienced - that is my point

They said Jesus is the God the Son who has shown Himself to this world. If Jesus has manifested Himself on earth, what more do you want to see to know that God exists?

Before you jump at me, there were tests carried out Jesus' DNA which you have said is a scam, what if it is true? Or did all of Jesus DNA disappear from Earth...but it's only John the Baptist's own they could find? What of the tomb Jesus was temporarily buried or the cross He was crucified on?

If truly we have gone past the insulting stage, there's really no point making a mockery of my perspective OR the point of views of others that have a strong conviction knowing why they believe what they believe. There are theists who believe in the existence of God by blind faith (which is quite a shallow foundation I don't recommend) rather, I am referring to those who believe in the existence of God through INSIGHT and UNDERSTANDING.

Akin1212:


You don't need to force God on me. I am not seeing God from any mode. There is no God and I am firm on that already.

I was only trying to explain Spinozism to you, not my own views. I do not see God as energy, neither do I see him as nature. I see him as nonexistent, and you need to understand that fact.

That God does not exist is your opinion. Your opinion does not mean it is a fact.

I am not forcing God on you. Frankly speaking, I do not care whether you believe in His existence or not.

You have made your decision, but never decide who is delusional or not, if you have not had the exposure and life experience that they had.

Akin1212, whether you believe in God or not, it does not stop me from seeing you as my friend and brother.

I have never met you in person and I am really looking forward to meeting you.

Before we choose to believe or discard the existence of God, let us bear in mind that we are first Human beings that shares an ancestral root from the ancient past.

I have seen a bond (which can be strong) which I do not want to be severed on account of our differences.

If the Sun and rain falls on my head and yours, if we have access to the same air and good things of life...then who am I to decide your eternal fate is to be in a meat roasting, Suya producing facility (Hell)? I leave the Alpha and Omega to judge.

I would have said thank God for letting our paths cross on Nairaland (but unfortunately, you don't believe in the existence of God)

OkaiCorne:


Children's dreams and fantasies? Two unrelated witnesses seeing the same face is still a fantasy? quite interesting. What of the numerous testimonies of others - both adults and kids that died (not Near Death Experience) and came back to life? Were they also having delusional fantasies? Do you have incontrovertible evidences to counter these people and let them know they are delusional? Can you prove to CNN, Oprah Winfrey and the entire world that what Akiane Kramarik and Colton Burpo experienced is a HOAX?

Yes, children's fantasies of 4 years and another toddler, replaying what their parents must have told them about Jesus in their heads. That two different people are in different locations is not a justification that they cannot have the same fantasy. I used to have such fantasies too. In one of my fantasies, I saw Jesus in a vision too, and tell you what? He does not look like that one you posted up there. Now I can tell if someone is delusional, it's not a hard thing to fathom.
CNN is full of bigots, that they report world news doesn't make them a scientific body that verifies claims before broadcasting them. Why can't CNN or Oprah and not the entire world some people in the world be deluded? You seem to think I am the only atheist in the world. The third largest group of people in the world are atheists. Don't get it twisted.

OkaiCorne:

It's not about me being religious, I am giving you reasons for other people's convictions and why they believe what they believe. Please don't miss the point I'm trying to pass across.

You are not in the best position to tell others they are delusional if you have not experienced what they have experienced - that is my point

It is definitely about you being religious. There are no reasons for beliefs other than illusory reasons that something exists and cannot be shown to you. Something exists and created this realm but you cannot see him in this realm except you transgress into another realm, excuse me...

How many people have Jesus appeared to out of the 3 billion believers he has? How many of them can identify him as that painting? Please, give me empirical evidence and not people's visions which were borne out of delusions and indoctrinations. Jesus should appear for once and quench all controversies. He once existed, didn't he? Why is it so difficult to show himself now?

If a psychologist wants to conclude that you are delusional, does he need to be in your shoes? Hell no, if you are not correlating with reality then you're in delusion, if you cannot provide empirical evidence for what you say exist, that's delusion. If you say an ant is on the wall and we can't see the ant, it's delusion. A lot of people have started waking up from the delusions.

OkaiCorne:

They said Jesus is the God the Son who has shown Himself to this world. If Jesus has manifested Himself on earth, what more do you want to see to know that God exists?

You're very funny I swear, can you even imagine the above statement?

Now let me ask you, did you see Jesus? I don't know if Jesus manifested at all because I did not see him.

I don't have a belief, I don't believe in they said. If Jesus has once lived, as far as I am concerned he was a man. Who peed, defecated, slept, ate, cried, laughed, gave birth and died. Not the one that was reinvented at the council of Nicaea.

OkaiCorne:

Before you jump at me, there were tests carried out Jesus' DNA which you have said is a scam, what if it is true? Or did all of Jesus DNA disappear from Earth...but it's only John the Baptist's own they could find? What of the tomb Jesus was temporarily buried or the cross He was crucified on?

This is not jumping at you, I don't know maybe you expect me to be in some agreement with you or something. Inasmuch as you believe there is a supreme power at work, you and I can never have a common ground. I DO NOT BELIEVE SOMETHING SUPERIOR IS INVOLVED IN THE UNIVERSE'S PLIGHT.

On the DNA, just don't go there at all. Desperate apologists who were trying to prove the existence of Jesus at all costs came up crying in public that they found the DNA of Jesus which was foiled. I gave you links. I don't even want to discuss that, it's so ridiculous.

OkaiCorne:

If truly we have gone past the insulting stage, there's really no point making a mockery of my perspective OR the point of views of others that have a strong conviction knowing why they believe what they believe. There are theists who believe in the existence of God by blind faith (which is quite a shallow foundation I don't recommend) rather, I am referring to those who believe in the existence of God through INSIGHT and UNDERSTANDING.

Inasmuch as you are believing, you are still exercising faith without evidence. There's no amount of insight or understanding that beats evidence and facts. How can you understand what you cannot see, how can you have insight on something you cannot prove?

We are gone past insulting, and that was not mockery. It's the truth, how can you bring children's fantasies into the argument? You thought it would convince me or what?

OkaiCorne:


That God does not exist is your opinion. Your opinion does not mean it is a fact.

I am not forcing God on you. Frankly speaking, I do not care whether you believe in His existence or not.

You have made your decision, but never decide who is delusional or not, if you have not had the exposure and life experience that they had.

What makes my opinion a fact and reasonable is that I can provide evidence for the nonexistence of a God.

I have explained why I can reach the conclusion that people are delusional to you. A doctor does not have to be sick to know that his patients are sick. There are signs and symptoms of delusion too.

And as someone who studies behaviours and experience, I can boldly tell you that they are deluded.

OkaiCorne:
Akin1212, whether you believe in God or not, it does not stop me from seeing you as my friend and brother.

I have never met you in person and I am really looking forward to meeting you.

Before we choose to believe or discard the existence of God, let us bear in mind that we are first Human beings that shares an ancestral root from the ancient past.

I have seen a bond (which can be strong) which I do not want to be severed on account of our differences.

If the Sun and rain falls on my head and yours, if we have access to the same air and good things of life...then who am I to decide your eternal fate is to be in a meat roasting, Suya producing facility (Hell)? I leave the Alpha and Omega to judge.

I would have said thank God for letting our paths cross on Nairaland (but unfortunately, you don't believe in the existence of God)

You can say thank Goodness instead. It works well for me.

Akin1212:


Yes, children's fantasies of 4 years and another toddler, replaying what their parents must have told them about Jesus in their heads. That two different people are in different locations is not a justification that they cannot have the same fantasy. I used to have such fantasies too. In one of my fantasies, I saw Jesus in a vision too, and tell you what? He does not look like that one you posted up there. Now I can tell if someone is delusional, it's not a hard thing to fathom.
CNN is full of bigots, that they report world news doesn't make them a scientific body that verifies claims before broadcasting them. Why can't CNN or Oprah and not the entire world some people in the world be deluded? You seem to think I am the only atheist in the world. The third largest group of people in the world are atheists. Don't get it twisted.




It is definitely about you being religious. There are no reasons for beliefs other than illusory reasons that something exists and cannot be shown to you. Something exists and created this realm but you cannot see him in this realm except you transgress into another realm, excuse me...

How many people have Jesus appeared to out of the 3 billion believers he has? How many of them can identify him as that painting? Please, give me empirical evidence and not people's visions which were borne out of delusions and indoctrinations. Jesus should appear for once and quench all controversies. He once existed, didn't he? Why is it so difficult to show himself now?

If a psychologist wants to conclude that you are delusional, does he need to be in your shoes? Hell no, if you are not correlating with reality then you're in delusion, if you cannot provide empirical evidence for what you say exist, that's delusion. If you say an ant is on the wall and we can't see the ant, it's delusion. A lot of people have started waking up from the delusions.



You're very funny I swear, can you even imagine the above statement?

Now let me ask you, did you see Jesus? I don't know if Jesus manifested at all because I did not see him.

I don't have a belief, I don't believe in they said. If Jesus has once lived, as far as I am concerned he was a man. Who peed, defecated, slept, ate, cried, laughed, gave birth and died. Not the one that was reinvented at the council of Nicaea.



This is not jumping at you, I don't know maybe you expect me to be in some agreement with you or something. Inasmuch as you believe there is a supreme power at work, you and I can never have a common ground. I DO NOT BELIEVE SOMETHING SUPERIOR IS INVOLVED IN THE UNIVERSE'S PLIGHT.

On the DNA, just don't go there at all. Desperate apologists who were trying to prove the existence of Jesus at all costs came up crying in public that they found the DNA of Jesus which was foiled. I gave you links. I don't even want to discuss that, it's so ridiculous.



Inasmuch as you are believing, you are still exercising faith without evidence. There's no amount of insight or understanding that beats evidence and facts. How can you understand what you cannot see, how can you have insight on something you cannot prove?

We are gone past insulting, and that was not mockery. It's the truth, how can you bring children's fantasies into the argument? You thought it would convince me or what?

What of people that died and came back to life? Were they also delusional?


I have had a personal experience with death myself, and don't even try to conclude on my behalf that I was delusional based on what I experienced. If you have never had such experience please don't conclude on my behalf.

Anyways...all the best, till we see in December.

OkaiCorne:


What of people that died and came back to life? Were they also delusional?


I have had a personal experience with death myself, and don't even try to conclude on my behalf that I was delusional based on what I experienced. If you have never had such experience please don't conclude on my behalf.

Anyways...all the best, till we see in December.

Have you seen someone who died and came back? Someone close to you?

You cannot just be believing them say them say. Nobody can die and rise again. Except if the person goes into a deep coma and some quack doctors announce hem dead.

When you are dying, your consciousness is fading and illusions and delusions set in. You begin to see things that are not there, these phenomena have been explained by science, so don't come here and tell me what I know. If God can only be found during a near-death experience, then it is fair to assume he is a dead God. The type that you only find when you are dying(deluded) or when your consciousness is disturbed?

Why can't God be found when consciousness is balanced? Why just when you're dead or near death or in a coma?

Can't Jesus consciously appear to children or people in a conscious state than seeing him in fantasies?

Santa Claus also exists in fantasies, the spaghetti monster also exists there and so does Jesus.

Until Jesus or God start showing themselves consciously, please don't bring fantasies as proves to me. I'm more than that, please. I have gone beyond that level, okay?

Akin1212:


Have you seen someone who died and came back? Someone close to you?

You cannot just be believing them say them say. Nobody can die and rise again. Except if the person goes into a deep coma and some quack doctors announce hem dead.

When you are dying, your consciousness is fading and illusions and delusions set in. You begin to see things that are not there, these phenomena have been explained by science, so don't come here and tell me what I know. If God can only be found during a near-death experience, then it is fair to assume he is a dead God. The type that you only find when you are dying(deluded) or when your consciousness is disturbed?

Why can't God be found when consciousness is balanced? Why just when you're dead or near death or in a coma?

Can't Jesus consciously appear to children or people in a conscious state than seeing him in fantasies?

Santa Claus also exists in fantasies, the spaghetti monster also exists there and so does Jesus.

Until Jesus or God start showing themselves consciously, please don't bring fantasies as proves to me. I'm more than that, please. I have gone beyond that level, okay?

That's your perception. If you have not experienced what I experienced, you are only using theory to try and counter practical.

I know you are being nice by not telling me directly that I am deluded.

But if this delusion works perfectly well for me and everyone around me... it's either I am one of the best cunning liar and dribbler you've ever met...or I am telling you the TRUTH.

OkaiCorne:


That's your perception. If you have not experienced what I experienced, you are only using theory to try and counter practical.

I know you are being nice by not telling me directly that I am deluded.

But if this delusion works perfectly well for me and everyone around me... it's either I am the best cunning liar and dribbler you've ever met...or I am telling you the TRUTH.

My conclusion is if God will wait until near death experience before appearing to you then he is the God of the dead.

What is the practical? You saw God in your near death experience when the illusory chemicals in your brain are hyperactive? I dare that same God to appear to you in your room now so that you two can snap a picture and send to me. Brother please just stop this already.

I also know people who had near-death experiences and they also had illusions and confirmed it. That's practical.

If we scientists wait to be in near-death experience before we study what happens there, then we will not move forward. There are known illusory chemicals and once they are being produced in large quantities we know what's happening. It's not theory

So you know I am being nice, right?

This non-delusion also works for me and the atheists I know. We are doing good and we don't need a God for our success.

You see, that's how life works, if you do what you are supposed to do, the consequences will be sweet.

I know many people who believe in a God and they are abjectly poor.