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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 9:01am On Dec 03, 2017
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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Firefire(m): 9:01am On Dec 03, 2017
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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Petik8(m): 9:01am On Dec 03, 2017
salvation101:
The church of God and its leadership has been under attack recently by the enemies of the Gospel and light but my great concern is how fellow Christians who are supposed to be defenders of the faith are now taking sides with the enemies of the gospel and throwing tantrums at men of God.

Deliberate Attempt by freeze (can't call him daddy) to tarnish Pastor Adeboye's image by digging back to an event that happened in 2013 (https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/142649-pastor-adeboye-under-fire-over-multi-billion-naira-3km-auditorium.html), cropping and editing a video to give it another meaning.. I have observed freeze methods, its to take an event, pick one scripture out of context in d bible and quote it in different versions in an attempt to make it seem he did his due diligence in searching the scriptures and use it to rubbish wat a man of God is doing. Wat actually happened in that video(and u can verify tru the original link to the story as published in 2013 by premium times) Pastor Adeboye proposed the expansion of the auditorium inside redeemed camp, the project would cost billions to complete so he asked for ppl in the congregation to give to the project, he started from 1 billion down till 100naira u will see it there in the link but freeze obviously left that out because it wouldn't portray the message he was trying to pass. Now come to think of it.
Now come to think of it, what is wrong in a billionaire giving a billion to the work of God? Infact Jesus recognized the widows mite to be a greater offering because that was all she had but the rich man who gave more than her gave little from the abundance of what he had.. Ppl where not left out, there was room for other to give as much as they could afford to the project so why the fuss..
For those who know Pastor Adeboye's story, he is a giver. Infact when he was still a new convert in the church, the original founder of redeemed Church Pa Akindayomi asked everyone who was in church to go empty their bank accounts and bring it for the work of God and it was only Adeboye that responded even as a new convert when pastors under Pa Akindayomi refused. The test of true Christianity is absolute surrender. If u surrender ur life, den u wont withhold ur resources wen need comes for giving for the Advancement of the kingdom
bro were u there wen emptied his acct balance

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by itsandi(m): 9:02am On Dec 03, 2017
My problem is why 1 man can be flying different private jets while plenty children in their church cant go school
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Pataricatering(f): 9:02am On Dec 03, 2017
Because the church is now a hospital ! If it’s not because things are turned on their heads in Nigeria ? Pastors turned doctors - why did God give people brain to study medicine if he wanted to be curing people ? Kuku turn church into full fledged hospital so we know you are serious!
sureheaven:
When freeze or any of his household will be in trouble, he will be taken to one of those pastors he criticizes most time for deliverance, then he will know God still uses some people .

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 9:02am On Dec 03, 2017
Call a spade a spade. I am a Christian but from oyedepo to adeboye to oyhakilome to mention them pentecostal pastors. They are THIEVES.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Johnrake69: 9:02am On Dec 03, 2017
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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by beinstein(m): 9:03am On Dec 03, 2017
sureheaven:
When freeze or any of his household will be in trouble, he will be taken to one of those pastors he criticizes most time for deliverance, then he will know God still uses some people .
You conveniently assumed Freeze is against Christianity or something.
The flamboyant lifestyle of the pastors with unquenchable taste to milk the sheeples dry of their hard earned money under the guise of tithe is what Freeze reject.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by IamaNigerianGuy(m): 9:03am On Dec 03, 2017
There is nothing worse than a slave who thinks himself free. History has shown that slaves will even resist attempts to emancipate them.

Nigerians are a funny bunch. They defend their pastors, they support their politicians, then they go to their beer parlors and social media sites to complain about how bad things are.

OP, keep on defending people sucking you dry.

If you really read and understood the bible, you would know that your allegiance is to Christ and His Heavenly Father, not to any Pastor/GO/Founder/Bishop.

Happy Sunday.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by tamonokare: 9:03am On Dec 03, 2017
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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Johnrake69: 9:04am On Dec 03, 2017
Petik8:
bro were u there wen emptied his acct balance

Guess he won't respond to this
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by GodsMopol: 9:04am On Dec 03, 2017
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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by ponziponzi(m): 9:05am On Dec 03, 2017
With all this 'the church is marching on' shit everywhere, Nigeria is one of the poorest countries in the world. This is not a coincidence, when her people are more religious and foolish than they add value to their lives and their nation.There is a revolution against stupid teaching in the church, and if the revolution against the almighty Roman Catholic worked, which birthed the Pentecostals of the GOs today, this one too will work IJN. Nigerians need to be saved from lies and false doctrines.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Pataricatering(f): 9:05am On Dec 03, 2017
Op , where is the scriptural backing for pastor collecting tithe in money ? Daddyfreeze has given his own backing abi you people are no more following Bible ?

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by melejo(m): 9:07am On Dec 03, 2017
Where are they, suddenly they are not available to comment
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BlueRayDick: 9:07am On Dec 03, 2017
@Op you still didn't point us to the scriptures that commanded tithes and encouraged the pastors' flamboyant lifestyle as freeze requested NA. I know you are in the service now, please when you are done come up with the scriptures like you did up there and let's put all these to rest.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by GodsMopol: 9:07am On Dec 03, 2017
Pataricatering:
Op , where is the scriptural backing for pastor collecting tithe in money ? Daddyfreeze has given his own backing abi you people are no more following Bible ?

There is, lemme Check
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Petik8(m): 9:08am On Dec 03, 2017
Johnrake69:


Guess he won't respond to this
baba me self knw dem thinks say we be fools anybody can say he did dat n dat just to justify him self
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by nairanaira12: 9:10am On Dec 03, 2017
salvation101:
No matter what, the Church will stand.
Talk is cheap. The same freeze guy that is always on social media advising pastors on what to do with church money was posted his pics with hushpuppi in dubai nd dey were flaunting their rolex wristwatches.. Wat happened to all his sermons? Why not sell d watch or use the money h spent to travel on the poor people around him? Now isn't it obvious dat this ppl are simply out to tarnish the image of these men of God? The gates of hell are fighting, Christians be wise so u don't end up joining the devil to fight the Church of God

Anty, stop fooling yourself. The Body of Christ is not under attack. What is under attack is the unbiblical doctrine of tithe that your hungry, gullible pastors are preaching.

Stop muddling things up. You aren't talking to fools here.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 9:11am On Dec 03, 2017
sureheaven:
When freeze or any of his household will be in trouble, he will be taken to one of those pastors he criticizes most time for deliverance, then he will know God still uses some people .

God can use anyone. The person doesn't have to bear the title of pastor.

Or, perhaps, you think these pastors cannot get into trouble and be healed by God through Freeze. When you say God uses people, what comes to the mind of Christians like you is that God uses pastors. But, you are wrong. God can use even a madman. In the Bible, God used pagan kings to punish Israel. God also once used a pagan king, Cyrus, to help Israel. God can use anyone.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by FRESHG(m): 9:12am On Dec 03, 2017
IslamicRebel:


Christianity is a scam.

Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by nairanaira12: 9:13am On Dec 03, 2017
GodsMopol:


There is, lemme Check

Please do. And don't bring Malachi o. Malachi ask Israelites to give tithe to levites and your pastors are not levites. So, look for another lie to justify this spiritual error of tithe.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Jolonjolo: 9:14am On Dec 03, 2017
Nnemuka:
I wonder why African's think building expensive auditoriums and stadiums instead of focusing on the SOUL winning is the best thing to do for God...
Vanity upon vanity...
Stop asking for money in billions, focus on winning souls for christ even from a tent house.

Dear Mr Americana! If God calls you and you preach His words and got souls saved in the order of millions, your american mind will leave them under the sun to worship their God. If you know the extent to which the devil is going to recruit the hearts of people into his damnation, then you will know the church needs to preach and expand more.

The more the souls we win, the more the need to get another boat to put them. Our mandate is to make sure the Gospel gets to everybody and everywhere.

Wherever you please do your part by showing the way to someone which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Show them love they can't deny. Preach, Pray and Give.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by luckyogor(m): 9:14am On Dec 03, 2017
My sister in the lord,make no mistake,giving to the poor and needy is as paramount as expanding the teachings of christ to the world,truth be told, the Christian world is becoming too focused on the acquisitions of material belongings, it is getting alarming that is the reason why there is an upsurge in false teachings and pastor's, because they have seen the church of GOD as an avenue to make money and let me tell you sister,if monetary and material givings are excluded in the church for five years my dear,all will fall,go and read about christ teachings more,the church needs to prioritize their teachings and focus more on salvation than any other teachings,the church of christ must be philantrophic because that was how they where able to spread the gospel in the early times,they showed genuine care and gave more then,their philantrophy is the reason why many of our parents and grand parents could boast of an education,GOD will take care of HIS church no man can.go and read proverbs,ecclesiastic and the books of Matthew, mark and john for more Grace, the church of GOD is becoming too focused on materialism and it is bad.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by 2sizzlin(m): 9:14am On Dec 03, 2017
Thank you for taking time to write all these. Christians be careful. Freeze can say what he likes because he doesn't understand but Christians joining him isn't good. Even David who knew God wasn't supporting Saul anymore did not make bad remarks about Saul.
Thanks sister.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by oruma19: 9:15am On Dec 03, 2017
Hiccups:
shocked

No church is under attack, some pastors have been criticized though. Why do OP see Freeze as an unbeliever? Do all of Christ Embassy Teachings agree with RCCG? Does this in any way makes them unbelievers?

The problem with people like OP is their inability to realized Pentecostal churches is a product of disagreement with some teachings in protestant churches. Until OP clarify how pentecostal churches sprang up, you lack every reasons to demonize Freeze
weda the op likes it or not, Pentecostalism has been turned into a fraud. Forget all the long story. I am at home now, I want to worship but can't go to my church because all u hear is money money money. We get anxious by d day because of worldliness in the church. Its only tithes and offerings they talk about and that's what makes God look like a money doubler or kalokalo god. My God whose name is Jehovah is a God of justice, He is refining the church because it has been desecrated. Comedians have taken over the altar of God, what is all that?

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Lumig: 9:16am On Dec 03, 2017
salvation101:
Now another narrative put forward is that the church ought to be more involved in philanthropy and welfarism than expanding. That it makes sense does not make it right. Giving to the poor is good but expansion of the kingdom is paramount. This was Jesus mandate to the church is this.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:15‭-‬20 KJV


Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:19‭-‬20 KJV


This is the mandate Jesus gave to his disciples before he ascended.. U will notice dey were the very last words of those books and very important. Social welfare programs are good but not the primary purpose of the church of Christ. The Church of Christ was established Him and he determines what is important and nobody's opinion is greater than His will.

As a matter of fact, the first dispute that existed in the early church was as a result of the Apostles leaving the main task Jesus gave to them and involving theirselves in welfare programs.

[b]And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch: Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them. And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Acts 6:1‭-‬7 KJV[/b]

Welfarism is not the way to advance the kingdom of God but by preaching the word of God
Madam stop this ranting, we are all part of the church. The many crowd you see in our churches nowadays are firewood for hellfire, the truth about the gospel are scarce. How many of these church members are fit for rapture? The church has lost its focus...

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by nairanaira12: 9:17am On Dec 03, 2017
sureheaven:
When freeze or any of his household will be in trouble, he will be taken to one of those pastors he criticizes most time for deliverance, then he will know God still uses some people .

Is that the wicked evil prayers you are praying against freeze in your cursed spiritually-dead churches?

For your information, nothing will happen to freeze. He was only asking for confirmation. If your doctrine of tithe has any biblical backing, simply provide it. But it looks like you can't back your lies with the Bible, so you decide to resort to threat.

The scriptures said in Proverb 26:2, "......a causeless curse will not come"

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Pataricatering(f): 9:18am On Dec 03, 2017
As usual , all sentiments and no scriptural backing ? Op should please forget sentiments and quote the scripture directly related to tithes ! What is your business with daddyfreeze s wristwatches ? Bring scriptural backing, abi is daddyfreeze wristwatch scriptural backing?

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by ponziponzi(m): 9:19am On Dec 03, 2017
sureheaven:
When freeze or any of his household will be in trouble, he will be taken to one of those pastors he criticizes most time for deliverance, then he will know God still uses some people .

See how human beings reason? When someone gets sick, they go to see the doctor and not the pastor. This is just common sense, use your brain.

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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by GodsMopol: 9:21am On Dec 03, 2017
nairanaira12:


Please do. And don't bring Malachi o. Malachi ask Israelites to give tithe to levites and your pastors are not levites. So, look for another lie to justify this spiritual error of tithe.

Tithe is generally known as a means God ordained to provide for the levite

Abraham was not under any law when he paid tithe to Melchizedek, he had the leading and directive to pay, and he did

Tithing is not an error, thank you
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 9:22am On Dec 03, 2017
salvation101:
The church of God and its leadership has been under attack recently by the enemies of the Gospel and light but my great concern is how fellow Christians who are supposed to be defenders of the faith are now taking sides with the enemies of the gospel and throwing tantrums at men of God.

Deliberate Attempt by freeze (can't call him daddy) to tarnish Pastor Adeboye's image by digging back to an event that happened in 2013 (https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/142649-pastor-adeboye-under-fire-over-multi-billion-naira-3km-auditorium.html), cropping and editing a video to give it another meaning.. I have observed freeze methods, its to take an event, pick one scripture out of context in d bible and quote it in different versions in an attempt to make it seem he did his due diligence in searching the scriptures and use it to rubbish wat a man of God is doing. Wat actually happened in that video(and u can verify tru the original link to the story as published in 2013 by premium times) Pastor Adeboye proposed the expansion of the auditorium inside redeemed camp, the project would cost billions to complete so he asked for ppl in the congregation to give to the project, he started from 1 billion down till 100naira u will see it there in the link but freeze obviously left that out because it wouldn't portray the message he was trying to pass. Now come to think of it.
Now come to think of it, what is wrong in a billionaire giving a billion to the work of God? Infact Jesus recognized the widows mite to be a greater offering because that was all she had but the rich man who gave more than her gave little from the abundance of what he had.. Ppl where not left out, there was room for other to give as much as they could afford to the project so why the fuss..
For those who know Pastor Adeboye's story, he is a giver. Infact when he was still a new convert in the church, the original founder of redeemed Church Pa Akindayomi asked everyone who was in church to go empty their bank accounts and bring it for the work of God and it was only Adeboye that responded even as a new convert when pastors under Pa Akindayomi refused. The test of true Christianity is absolute surrender. If u surrender ur life, den u wont withhold ur resources wen need comes for giving for the Advancement of the kingdom

The leadership of which church?

Did God ask anyone to establish a Church aside the one He established on the words of Peter?

And supposing you insist on accusing Freeze of attacking the Church, would you also accuse him of attacking the Church when he was full of praise for T.B. Joshua's take on the issue of tithing as a Christian? Or is Joshua not also supposed to be a Church leader?

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