It doesnt matter what explanation you make those satanic agents of hell on social media have vowed to attack the church by propagating misleading stuff and garnishing previous videos of men of God to tarnish their reputation. Just watch this week we are entering they will edit and crop another video to potray another man of God as bad. Brood of vipers..
From attacking tithing, the would move to offerings, to releasing reasons why people should not even go to church but blessed be God.They have failed.

2sizzlin:
Thank you for taking time to write all these. Christians be careful. Freeze can say what he likes because he doesn't understand but Christians joining him isn't good. Even David who knew God wasn't supporting Saul anymore did not make bad remarks about Saul.
Thanks sister.

The christians have risen up to challenge false doctrine and it will get bigger. There is nothing anyone can do about it. Pastor Sunday Adelaja has started his own and other Christians will join. The era of false doctrine and foolish teaching that impoverished Nigerians is getting over. Deal with it brother!

itsandi:
My problem is why 1 man can be flying different private jets while plenty children in their church cant go school

Please ask @salvation101

How does the expansion of the auditorium improve the lives of people? Currently, Nigeria is in need of over 11million unit of housing to offset the housing deficit. So it makes sense to you that after attending church services in a cozy auditorium then many goes back to their their abode under the bridge. While the Go flies out of the Arena via private jet to his 5 star Palace.

There was a reason Christ was born in a manger you know?

Johnrake69:


Please ask @salvation101

How does the expansion of the auditorium improve the lives of people? Currently, Nigeria is in need of over 11million unit of housing to offset the housing deficit. So it makes sense to you that after attending church services in a cozy auditorium then many goes back to their their abode under the bridge. While the Go flies out of the Arena via private jet to his 5 star Palace.

There was a reason Christ was born in a manger you know?

baba ur head dey there

sureheaven:
When freeze or any of his household will be in trouble, he will be taken to one of those pastors he criticizes most time for deliverance, then he will know God still uses some people .

Are you God? Hoi are you sure that it is not God that is speaking through Freeze to save His Churches from Greedy Pastors. Judge not. If you are God, jungle justice will be the order of the day!

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The above verse relates to where Jesus was telling the Pharisee of their overemphasis on tithing and giving I guess

And Jesus is saying, there are better things to lay or place emphasis on.

People need to be born again

people need to know God intimately

people need to know how loving and caring God, is.

but, you have left those which you should place more emphasis on, but you lay more emphasis on that which is of least importance.

Now, don't get me wrong, the fact, Jesus said, some are weightier, does not mean, others should be trashed out, it only mean, we shouldn't put more emphasis on them, even though they are needed

bezimo:
It doesnt matter what explanation you make those satanic agents of hell on social media have vowed to attack the church by propagating misleading stuff and garnishing previous videos by men of God to tarnish their reputation. Just watch this week we are entering they will edit and crop another video to potray another man of God as bad. Brood of vipers..
From attacking tithing, the would move to offerings, to releasing reasons why people should not even go to church but blessed be God.They have failed.

There is no one attaching the church, people are against false and foolish doctorines. Please tell me why Nigeria is one of the poorest countries in the world? The Pentecostal church you see today came up as a sort of revolution. We will use social media to dismantle lies, it will only get bigger my brother.

ponziponzi:


The christians have risen up to challenge false doctrine and it will get bigger. There is nothing anyone can do about it. Pastor Sunday Adelaja has started his own and other Christians will join. The era of false doctrine and foolish teaching that impoverished Nigerians is getting over. Deal with it brother!

It's sad how some Christians has been brainwashed. The idea about giving in the Bible was majorly to aid wealth redistribution.
Acts 4:35 comes to mind.

NigerDeltan:


Show me a G.O that does not accumulate wealth for ghimself, show me one without a bank account balance worth N500m and above

All of them benefitted from the missionary schools but today they can't on their own subsidize education for the poor followers, building universities that charge as high as 500,000 per semester

Apart from TB Joshua non has done anything visible to help those at the IDP camp

everything that are done, doesn't need be announced

Matthew 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

ponziponzi:


There is no one attaching the church, people are against false and foolish doctorines. Please tell me why Nigeria is one of the poorest countries in the world? The Pentecostal church you see today came up as a sort of revolution. We will use social media to dismantle lies, it will only get bigger my brother.

There is poverty everywhere..Dont think otherwise..i live in the West and you will see some white folks who are poor and begging for money from you..some of them are homeless.They hardly show that in the media
You will be suprised.There are many reasons that can be attributed to the poverty of majority of Nigerians..that a discussion for another day.
So poverty has no respect for Nation.
Just like in Nigeria, In America there are christians who do what christians in Nigeria also do..so i dont get the recent controversy and its aim.Its not a godly aim..i will think.

NigerDeltan:


Show me a G.O that does not accumulate wealth for ghimself, show me one without a bank account balance worth N500m and above

All of them benefitted from the missionary schools but today they can't on their own subsidize education for the poor followers, building universities that charge as high as 500,000 per semester

Apart from TB Joshua non has done anything visible to help those at the IDP camp

How do you know TB did something to help those at IDP camp? Because he said it? What if it wasn't reported or he didn't talk about it how will you know?

The missionary schools they attended were funded by whom? The British and Portuguese funded the missionary schools no school can run nearly free of charge an example is the Federal Universities subsiding school fees means subsidizing quality

NigerDeltan:


Show me a G.O that does not accumulate wealth for ghimself, show me one without a bank account balance worth N500m and above

All of them benefitted from the missionary schools but today they can't on their own subsidize education for the poor followers, building universities that charge as high as 500,000 per semester

Apart from TB Joshua non has done anything visible to help those at the IDP camp

So you want the Pastor to build the 11 million units of housing?? Ask yourself if the church is now the federal government. The expanse of the auditorium is simply to cater for the vast number of people to prevent stampeding and increase member comfort

Johnrake69:


Please ask @salvation101

How does the expansion of the auditorium improve the lives of people? Currently, Nigeria is in need of over 11million unit of housing to offset the housing deficit. So it makes sense to you that after attending church services in a cozy auditorium then many goes back to their their abode under the bridge. While the Go flies out of the Arena via private jet to his 5 star Palace.

There was a reason Christ was born in a manger you know?

Hoi are you sure that it is not God that is speaking through Freeze to save His Churches from Greedy Pastors. Judge not. If you are God, jungle justice will be the order of the day


Which God are u talking about? If God has sent ur daddy freeze to set ur likes free from those pastors u tagged greedy, then tell ur daddy freeze to establish his own church so that he can teach people like u his own version of the bible.

Christianity is not under attack as you erroneously stated. What is under attack is the immodest and showoff lifestyles of 'god of men', who exhibit wealth in the midst of abject poverty and hopelessness. These morally deprived leeches hide under the banal of the Gospel to perpetrate all kinds of evil, including building alliance with the venal and vile political class to further impoverish the people. A shining exception in our oasis of religious flamboyance, pathetic and lame understanding of Christianity is a clergyman called Prophet T. B. Joshua. While many pastors have perfected the practice of collecting money from the poor and keeping it for themselves, he collects from the rich and cheerfully gives to poor. This obsession with material possessions cut across all churches in Nigeria, the only difference is the method adopted by these churches. While Pentecostal pastors are unabashed and unconcerned about the reaction of the public knowing fully well that their members will leap in their defence, orthodox churches adopt stealth approach. It gladdens my heart to read a news report that claims Prophet T. B. Joshua has made huge donations to Nigerians deported from Libya recently. It won't be a surprise if a pastor, in the name of paying tithe and being eligible for Gid's blessing ask these struggling deportees to part with some their money. It is unfortunate you refuse to be alarm by the barefaced commercialisation of the Gospel by men, who by all standards, are nothing short of merchants feigning clergymen. The attempt to defend what is clearly indefensible portrays your understanding of Christianity, where your devotion lies as a follower of the Gospel. Jesus is the only model worthy of imitation, not your pastor, reverend, or whatever high-sounding honorifics they choose to bear.

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If the Catholic church, Anglican Church, Methodist church etc came to Nigeria to establish free schools, hospitals and rehab centers and not just to build mega churches, then nothing Nigerian pastors can say to justify their action.
quote author=Nnemuka post=62934362]I wonder why African's think building expensive auditoriums and stadiums instead of focusing on the SOUL winning is the best thing to do for God...
Vanity upon vanity...
Stop asking for money in billions, focus on winning souls for christ even from a tent house.
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salvation101:
Now another narrative put forward is that the church ought to be more involved in philanthropy and welfarism than expanding. That it makes sense does not make it right. Giving to the poor is good but expansion of the kingdom is paramount. This was Jesus mandate to the church is this.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:15‭-‬20 KJV

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:19‭-‬20 KJV

This is the mandate Jesus gave to his disciples before he ascended.. U will notice dey were the very last words of those books and very important. Social welfare programs are good but not the primary purpose of the church of Christ. The Church of Christ was established Him and he determines what is important and nobody's opinion is greater than His will.

As a matter of fact, the first dispute that existed in the early church was as a result of the Apostles leaving the main task Jesus gave to them and involving theirselves in welfare programs.

[b]And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch: Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them. And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Acts 6:1‭-‬7 KJV[/b]

Welfarism is not the way to advance the kingdom of God but by preaching the word of God

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." Aramaic Bible in Plain English For The Spirit is God, and it is fitting that those who worship him worship in The Spirit and in The Truth.”
John 4:24 KJV

Not in tithe and Money...

That bible passage says it all.

Nobody needs any pastor to get to God.. The same Mandate given to me as a Christian is the same Mandate given to the person that tagged himself or herself G.O, Bishop, Pastor, Reverend etc.

Go into in the world and preach the Gospel. tell people about Christ.. that is the Mandate given to all. I don't know where they got their own brand of Christianity from.

The greatest apostles PAUL, PETER etc never became a G.Os telling people to bring tithe and offering to them.

they were always on the move...all the churches they founded and the people they won to Christ Jesus they never made themselves G.Os and Lord over them. as a matter of fact they cried, tore their clothes and morn when people try to idolized them.

The case is the reverse today of the same people of the same faith who called themselves all sort of Names and have monetise the Gospel.

sureheaven:
When freeze or any of his household will be in trouble, he will be taken to one of those pastors he criticizes most time for deliverance, then he will know God still uses some people .

bro I don't support freeze but to be honest all these una threats dey make una stupid the more.. what's all these mind games you Pastors keep playing, so bad things dont happen in life?? Is it Al tithes that are prosperous, and is it all non rotyes that are poor?? So if freeze suddenly experience challenges which is normal in everyone's life you will now attribute it to this issue right?? Stop sounding so stupid like your Adebo-ole saying Jesus instructef him...see how someone who has no job now used humans as preys and pawns to get to where he is and he calls that a blessing..smh

bezimo:


There is poverty everywhere..Dont think otherwise..i live in the West and you will see some white folks who are poor and begging for money from you..some of them are homeless.They hardly show that in the media
You will be suprised.There are many reasons that can be attributed to the poverty of majority of Nigerians..that a discussion for another day.
So poverty has no respect for Nation.
Just like in Nigeria, In America there are christians who do what christians in Nigeria also do..so i dont get the recent controversy and its aim.Its not a godly aim..i will think.

Stop defending stupid things, I live in Canada. Even if you work minimum wage, you can pay your bills. You can only be homeless if you do drugs or make some terrible fininacial decisions. About 45% of Nigerians are living in extreme poverty, Nigerians don’t even understand what it means to have constant power in their homes for a week. If you are in the west as you claim and attend a white church, you should know that many of the teachings in the African churches are false and are just for enriching the pastors. They brainwash human beings and make them do foolish things that can be equated with slavery. I volunteer in a charity organisation run by a church that feeds the homeless and provides accommodation for them, for free, daily. Stop defending what is improverishing your people, it’s your duty to humanity!

salvation101:
There is nothing wrong in unbelievers throwing stones at the church and its leadership but where there is a problem is wen fellow believers are caught up in the web of deceptions from the enemies of the gospel and end up being led astray nd blaspheme..
Jesus told peter, "upon this rock i will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it".. He didn't say the gates of hell shall not try but that they shall not prevail. They will keep trying but the church would move forward still.. My sincere concern and advise to ppl of God is that they shouldn't join forces with the gates of hell. Don't be deceived, Muslims, atheists and pagans now open new threads every other day and the motive is to weaken or question your faith. The Bible ought to be ur own authority and not suggestions and opinions of carnal men

is the Bible should be our authority then why can't we use the Bible as our defense instead of using sentiments. Forget my moniker am a pure xtian. you can call the attack an indictment, a problem, whatever but these members deserve to know why they are doing anything and what their money is being used for. You don't just wake up one morning and say the holy Spirit said this, with which ear did you hear? You talk about spiritual things but you eat balance diet, and you even go to hospitals..d knowledge the doc used to treat u was acquired from ppl who don't tithe and most are even atheist what are you even saying.??

Hiccups:


No church is under attack, some pastors have been criticized though. Why do OP see Freeze as an unbeliever? Do all of Christ Embassy Teachings agree with RCCG? Does this in any way makes them unbelievers?

The problem with people like OP is their inability to realized Pentecostal churches is a product of disagreement with some teachings in protestant churches. Until OP clarify how pentecostal churches sprang up, you lack every reasons to demonize Freeze

May the God of Heaven bless you. That was how Martin Luther was spoken against as a devil then, but now we have the freedom to read the bible.
Back in those days if you are caught with a bible you could be killed, because only the priest could have access to the bible. I think Christians should go to the library and read a bit about church history.

Finland has the most stable economy in world today. There are less than 20 churches in Finland.
Switzerland has the second most stable economy in the world. Switzerland has less than 30 churches.
Denmark is the third most stable economy in the world. Denmark has about 23 churches in it.
These are countries considered largely atheist in nature, yet so blessed.
Come to Owerri town, SE Nigeria, from MCC junction to Toronto junction, there are 36 churches. That stretch of about 5 km harbours 36 churches, more churches than the entire Switzerland.
Between Owerri and Mgbidi l counted 97 churches and gave up. According to CAC, Nigeria has over 23,000 registered churches.
We have more churches than schools and hospitals combined. More pastors than doctors and teachers combined. Everyone is born again. All are covered in the blood of Jesus. All are filled with the Holy Spirit.
Yet none of those claims reflects in the expected moral elevation of the society. We are still one of the greediest, laziest, corrupt, deceitful, hypocritical and hateful set of beings on the planet today, with all our Christ and Holy spirit.

Amidst all this, we live in a country riddled with poverty and strife. This is the hand work of so called christians, yet, your church leaders fail to call them to order, instead, they wine and dine with them.

Airforce52:
So you want the Pastor to build the 11 million units of housing?? Ask yourself if the church is now the federal government. The expanse of the auditorium is simply to cater for the vast number of people to prevent stampeding and increase member comfort

That was a statement of fact and it's to point out that the problem of the human race is practical. Manner is not going to fall from heaven. We have to know that resources are scarce and we have to manage it in a way to advance humanity. On every street there are more than 2 churches it's now a competition.

When people layed offerings at the apostles feet according to Luke in the book of Acts 4:35 it was solely for the purpose of wealth redistribution. The apostles redistributed it among the needy.

Why didn't the apostles at the time embark on elephant's project with the funds? We are now wiser than the early apostles. I'm sure there were federal and state governments at the time. If we are to go with the point you made then the apostles should have personalised the money then leaving the needy to their fate since they are not the government.

We have to realise the current setup is not working.

Johnrake69:



That was a statement of fact and it's to point out that the problem of the human race is practical. Manner is not going to fall from heaven. We have to know that resources are scarce and we have to manage it in a way to advance humanity. On every street there are more than 2 churches it's now a competition.

When people layed offerings at the apostles feet according to Luke in the book of Acts 4:35 it was solely for the purpose of wealth redistribution. The apostles redistributed it among the needy.

Why didn't the apostles at the time embark on elephant's project with the funds? We are now wiser than the early apostles. I'm sure there were federal and state governments at the time. If we are to go with the point you made then the apostles should have personalised the money then leaving the needy to their fate since they are not the government.

We have to realise the current setup is not working.

Such wisdom. God bless you, sir.

I told a pastor once that if only the Church can be more modest in her spending, our problems will start vanishing.

Why does a pastor need a private jet? Will he die if he doesn't own one. Definitely not.

Why does he need expensive clothes and shoes and cars?

Why does he need expensive church buildings?

If they can be more modest, they will not need to collect a tithe or huge donations all the time.

If a pastor can fly in a commercial plane, live in a modest bungalow, dress modestly, emphasize building good Christians with scruples rather than building world-class church buildings and stadia, and encourage people to give to the poor rather than to him, people will start helping. There will be wealth redistribution. People will be less greedy and there would be no needy person in the Church, a result that would reflect in the society.

It is so sad that Christians are becoming more materialistic than the "people of the world".

sureheaven:
When freeze or any of his household will be in trouble, he will be taken to one of those pastors he criticizes most time for deliverance, then he will know God still uses some people .

this kind of words were directed at prof Soyinka in the 80s by bishop Idahosa,
baba soyinka is still alive, hale and hearty at 80+ yrs,
WHERE IS IDAHOSA TODAY?
May the above never become your case

salvation101:
@seun, lalasticlala, there ought to be balance, freeze side has made the Frontpage, the side of truth has to too

Nice writeup.
Has some truths there.

But please clarify these:
1. Are you implying that building larger auditoriums and holding expensive, mega shows is synonymous with Kingdom expansion?
2. Welfarism isn't a primary function of the church? You mean the apostles didn't see it as such when they went as far as installing deacons to cater for the NEEDS of the people?
3. Freeze- as you call him- is tactically attacking the church. Please how do we as believers filter out dubes in church who focus on generating cash through numerous means? Freeze brought out plenty scriptures. I haven't heard any preacher so far (except rev adefarasin) who have used Scripture to point out the principle. All we see is men laying curses n threatening
4. The Kingdom life is a paradox. Noted. Please, doesn't blessing the people/the world open us up to being great/hipping coals upon their head?
5. Abeg, when Paul came pointing out that the gentiles were part of God's plan in salvation, he was brutally criticized/handled. When Martin Luther insisted that salvation is by grace alone, the Catholic Church heavily came down on him. Many others- John Knox, John Calvin, Jon Wyclef... These spoke what was not popular and were labelled vagabonds. Even Rev Martin Luther King Jr. Was heavily hated by the crop of Church leaders in his time. Please, DOES THAT MEAN THEY ARE WRONG?
I BELIEVE IN TITHING, HOWBEIT THE PRINCIPLE AS IT APPLIES TO THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH. BUT VIEWING THINGS FROM THIS VINTAGE POINT PUTS HOLES IN YOUR ENTIRE WRITEUP

ponziponzi:


Stop defending stupid things, I live in Canada. Even if you work minimum wage, you can pay your bills. You can only be homeless if you do drugs or make some terrible fininacial decisions. About 45% of Nigerians are living in extreme poverty, Nigerians don’t even understand what it means to have constant power in their homes for a week. If you are in the west as you claim and attend a white church, you should know that many of the teachings in the African churches are false and are just for enriching the pastors. They brainwash human beings and make them do foolish things that can be equated with slavery. I volunteer in a charity organisation run by a church that feeds the homeless and provides accommodation for them, for free, daily. Stop defending what is improverishing your people, it’s your duty to humanity!

Thank you very much. If you have really travelled to other countries you will know that the poverty in Nigeria is to the extreme.

111jideofor:
Finland has the most stable economy in world today. There are less than 20 churches in Finland.
Switzerland has the second most stable economy in the world. Switzerland has less than 30 churches.
Denmark is the third most stable economy in the world. Denmark has about 23 churches in it.
These are countries considered largely atheist in nature, yet so blessed.
Come to Owerri town, SE Nigeria, from MCC junction to Toronto junction, there are 36 churches. That stretch of about 5 km harbours 36 churches, more churches than the entire Switzerland.
Between Owerri and Mgbidi l counted 97 churches and gave up. According to CAC, Nigeria has over 23,000 registered churches.
We have more churches than schools and hospitals combined. More pastors than doctors and teachers combined. Everyone is born again. All are covered in the blood of Jesus. All are filled with the Holy Spirit.
Yet none of those claims reflects in the expected moral elevation of the society. We are still one of the greediest, laziest, corrupt, deceitful, hypocritical and hateful set of beings on the planet today, with all our Christ and Holy spirit.

Wow.
I feel you bro

GodsMopol:


hmmmm

by the way

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The above verse relates to where Jesus was telling the Pharisee of their overemphasis on tithing and giving I guess

And Jesus is saying, there are better things to lay or place emphasis on.

People need to be born again

people need to know God intimately

people need to know how loving and caring God, is.

but, you have left those which you should place more emphasis on, but you lay more emphasis on that which is of least importance.

Now, don't get me wrong, the fact, Jesus said, some are weightier, does not mean, others should be trashed out, it only mean, we shouldn't put more emphasis on them, even though they are needed

if you interprete the above verse to mean tithe is less important what do you make of this part :

"and not leave the other undone" ?
Tithe is should not be left undone. You don't place something that's mandatory in a scale of preference sir.

Hiccups:


No church is under attack, some pastors have been criticized though. Why do OP see Freeze as an unbeliever? Do all of Christ Embassy Teachings agree with RCCG? Does this in any way makes them unbelievers?

The problem with people like OP is their inability to realized Pentecostal churches is a product of disagreement with some teachings in protestant churches. Until OP clarify how pentecostal churches sprang up, you lack every reasons to demonize Freeze

I liked this comment because the poster made a subtle distinction between Pentecostal and Protestant churches. I have come to realize a lot of Christians do not research the history of Christianity. Many hold the Bible but do not know how the Bible came about to be. The Pentecostal churches that has radicalize and spread out in numbers were not in existence in the 60’s and 70’s in Nigeria.

A lot of people criticize the Roman Catholic Church but have they forgotten that the Christianity being practiced today is a product of the Roman Catholic Church, regardless of how you practice or the doctrine you choose to discard or embrace.

Now to address the OP, who has made valid points. Some I agree with and others I don’t. It appears the OP is more interested in the structural expansion of Christianity than in the spiritual expansion. You cannot preach to a poor hungry fellow to accept Jesus. That fellow would not listen to you in his/her present state. However, when you show love, clothe, feed and provide shelter, such a man/woman would open his/her heart in acceptance.

According to the Bible, Jesus went about doing good and not building temples. He healed the sick, fed the poor and that was why people flocked around him to listen to him. Churches should explemify their leader, Jesus and not concentrate on projects that would amass wealthy.