salvation101:
we are aware of wat those so called millionaires do. In d same vein would like to know wat the pastor's advisers av done for the poor so far

Why are u so interested in knowing whether they are giving or not..?
If they start showing pics of them giving money to an orphanage home or assisting a sick person in church,u will start complaining that they are showing off!

Will freeze force u to give a tithe to the poor? absolutely not...he is only advocating the people spend money on those who are needy using scriptures to back his claim...pls refute it rather than asking such questions!

....what do those millionaires do?
Stop with all dese warped mindset that all millionaires engage in one illegal business or the other....



U don't expect me or any one who gives to start taking pictures of those they have helped...common nah...think....that's too childish!

salvation101:
Jews no more tithe ever since their temple got destroyed in 70AD and right now a mosque is standing on d exact spot the temple is standing. Until the temple is built back, the Jews won't be able to tithe.. It goes to iterate wat Apostle Paul said.. We (gentiles) av been grafted in and all the blessings that belonged to the jews are now ours tru Jesus Christ(till after the rapture when the church age would end)

When I said Jews, Im not talking of an entity that dwels in the heart and minds of men rather a physical Jew who lives all arround teh world.ie the ones who live near me in North London

salvation101:
u are very correct sir. Those making the fuss about tithing are simply those who are looking for justification not to tithe. Its not really about d bible but about their greed. 90% of people members in the church aren't even faithful in tithing so i wonder wat d noice is about

Well I have never paid tithe in my life, I heard d word for the first time while I was almost rounding up high school and it didn't make sense den, still doesn't make sense to me now. Offerings in church Nd donations on the other hand I take seriously.

openmine:

Why are u so interested in knowing whether they are giving or not..?
If they start showing pics of them giving money to an orphanage home or assisting a sick person in church,u will start complaining that they are showing off!

Will freeze force u to give a tithe to the poor? absolutely not...he is only advocating the people spend money on those who are needy using scriptures to back his claim...pls refute it rather than asking such questions!

....what do those millionaires do?
Stop with all dese warped mindset that all millionaires engage in one illegal business or the other....



U don't expect me or any one who gives to start taking pictures of those they have helped...common nah...think....that's too childish!

why den do u expect the churches to come and announce that dey are helping ppl in need? U said freeze won't force ppl to give to d poor do the churches force their members to tithe? Tithing is about conviction. There are a lot of church workers dat do not tithe

miketayo:


Well I have never paid tithe in my life, I heard d word for the first time while I was almost rounding up high school and it didn't make sense den, still doesn't make sense to me now. Offerings in church Nd donations on the other hand I take seriously.

in my own case, though i was born in a Pentecostal church, my parents do not tithe i didn't grow up seeing dem tithe. Dey do not av enough faith to tithe. Even if dey get millions dey still would not tithe. I paid my first tithe in campus fellowship during my university days and i av been convinced to continue tithing wherever church i find myself since den

spartan117:
The fact is that most ministries are funded just by a few Kingdom minded individuals who have sworn to advance God's Kingdom on earth with their finances, and God keeps pruning them and blessing these few individuals. 80% of ministry work is funded by less than 2% of Christian population I say this because I've been in a privileged position in my church and I know where the money that funds our programs actually come from, and i tell you it's not from #10 and #20 tithes and offerings

It is appalling that you would minimize the #10 and #20 offerings of your members.

You should read the teachings of the Bible about the widow's mite.

And this is the big reason why people are making a big fuss about Church donations. It is all about the money and little to do with God.

salvation101:
in my own case, though i was born in a Pentecostal church, my parents do not tithe i didn't grow up seeing dem tithe. Dey do not av enough faith to tithe. Even if dey get millions dey still would not tithe. I paid my first tithe in campus fellowship during my university days and i av been convinced to continue tithing wherever church i find myself since den

Guess we all have our reasons, I can't participate in something I don't understand or isn't clear, it's all good anyways

At the end of the day, nobody can force a grown up to spend his money in a certain way.
Tithing is a personal decison. I won't go to hell because i havent paid tithes.
What i find distatseful however is the insult and abuse heaped upon people who believe in tithing. Its nobody's concern how an adult spends his money.
Some people who dont even tithe, or even believe in it expect the church to take up all social and other responsibilities attached to governance. They expect good roads, free schools, etc from other people's tithes.
I don't support ostentatious living by pastors, and personally i haven't paid tithes in years ( I might decide to start again soon, i didnt stop because i believe its wrong) but for those that want to and are happy to, why are others crying more than the bereaved?

know the truth about tithe. do not be confused by different teachings and arguments. click the link below for a detailed understanding of tithe.

https://www.nairaland.com/4226027/truth-tithing-pastor-murphy-akpovi

@OP
You said [b]Nigerians [/b]are just stingy ... Does that include Muslims , atheist and Christians who do not pay or believe in paying tithes .
Then you are wrong.
One of the laws of Jesus is to feed , care and help the needy. Mat

A lot of Muslims may not pay tithes but they give to poor and help the needy .
Atheist do not believe in God but some do give to the poor and needy out of the goodness of their heart
Some Christians do not believe in tithing .. buy you will be amazed at the rate at which they give and help the poor and needy in the society . Some even give more than the tithers.

salvation101:
I was expecting to see pics of ppl in different Idp camps and homes of tge less privilege like dey av been advising the pastors...

Hmmm.... if you are a Christian... you should know that praying or giving should be done as privately as possible....it is a matter between you and God or you the receiver and God. If you have to give to someone..... and find the need to call in the camera crew..... post the moments on social media so others can see what a wonderful and caring and giving person you are...then you are not giving from the heart. Keepnwaiting to see ehmmm.... Christians/freed sheeple snap themselves giving to the less fortunate.

As for me... I pay my tithes. It is definitely more than 10%. usually up to 35%

And my "pastors" are somewhat accountable. Unfortunately, I don't really have a say in what they spend it on.

My tithes are called TAXES.

chinawapz:
Nigerians are too stingy, those people against tithe are either atheist, Muslim or economist if you can track them

They are not stingy. They are full blown re.tards. Why do people tithe? Mostly for financial gain. Meanwhile, if you invest six thousand naira in a retirement fund every month for 20 years you will be a millionaire when you hit 45 to 50 years of age. Nigeria's system is not set up to educate it's people to this fact plus, Nigerians do not want to know. They prefer to languish on their knees hoping and praying for a better tomorrow instead of being on their feet with sleeves rolled up doing what need to be done. Only lazy people pray and believe in an imaginary god.

salvation101:
but u also expect the church to come on Nairaland to blow their trumpets before u believe dey have been helping the poor?

No one have been doubting if the church have been helping the poor.
We all know that all churches are also involved in giving to the poor and we commend the church for that. But that's not issue.
The issue is,
Is tithe money used to help the poor?
If that is the case we are very much ready to pay.
But if the money is used to fund your pastors flamboyant lifestyle on the bases that tithe are meant for pastors or priests as indicated in the old testament, then count us out.

So let your pastors specify what's the essence of tithing??

I will always say something, we do give gifts to pastors for propagating the gospel most of which the money is far beyond 10%. That is not tithe, it is called gift. We are very much in support of that, only that pastors should also propagate truth from the bible to the populace which they have failed in all standards, as a result, the state of the nation decays,
So we were forced to withdraw.

hisgrace090:
Not about stinginess, but about telling yourself the truth.


The selfish person here is the one that will dispute all freez point against tithe in other to continue collecting tithe.

Some of freeze point are:

(1) that Abraham pays tithe from the spoil of war not from his business. And it was only once.

(2) det-14, demand that you will use your tithe money to buy things which you and the needy will eat in the church not excluding the levite.

(3) that Jesus neither pay tithe nor collect one.

(4) that apostles neither pay nor collect tithe.


Anyone that think that the church will become poor for not collecting tithe is deceived.

Look, many here are aspiring pastors. Many are jobless and dream of big money through church business.

They are not interested in the Biblical truth about tithes. They want easy money. Others do not want to believe that the MoG they worship is collecting their money without biblical backing. Leave them to wallow in their ignorance and self deception. It is their money.

Bollinger:


They are not stingy. They are full blown re.tards. Why do people tithe? Mostly for financial gain. Meanwhile, if you invest six thousand naira in a retirement fund every month for 20 years you will be a millionaire when you hit 45 to 50 years of age. Nigeria's system is not set up to educate it's people to this fact plus, Nigerians do not want to know. They prefer to languish on their knees hoping and praying for a better tomorrow instead of being on their feet with sleeves rolled up doing what need to be done. Only lazy people pray and believe in an imaginary god.

You lack simple understanding about the things of the spirit

KanuJEWSarePIGS:


You made it!

Yes you did!

The year is almost winding up and here, my search for the most senseless and empty comment of the year ends.

M looking forward to having you bag the accolade again come 365 days time. It's officially your birthright.

Senseless being of the year

paxonel:

No one have been doubting if the church have been helping the poor.
We all know that all churches are also involved in giving to the poor and we commend the church for that. But that's not issue.
The issue is,
Is tithe money used to help the poor?
If that is the case we are very much ready to pay.
But if the money is used to fund your pastors flamboyant lifestyle on the bases that tithe are meant for pastors or priests as indicated in the old testament, then count us out.

So let your pastors specify what's the essence of tithing??

I will always say something, we do give gifts to pastors for propagating the gospel most of which the money is far beyond 10%. That is not tithe, it is called gift. We are very much in support of that, only that pastors should also propagate truth from the bible to the populace which they have failed in all standards, as a result, the state of the nation decays,
So we were forced to withdraw.

You are questioning the tithe! why can't you question the tax you are paying to the government and yet no development

salvation101:
conviction as to not paying in church is understandable. But it seems dey are also convinced dat dey are supposed to give dat same percentage to d poor but how many of dem are doing it? The TAP challenge is about using ur 10% to help ppl as opposed to giving it to the church

d same thing we are saying. many people who pay tithe do it not out of conviction of about d purpose of tithing (which is 2 help d needy), but out of fear of d devourer&d expectation of open heavens cos that's what they have been taught. Now 4 d TAP 2 work just like tithing in churches, there has 2b a catch(reward)&maybe a threat attached 2 it.(for instance, what did it take 2 convince Nigerians 2 invest in MMM). When u look @ d way Nigerians react 2d insensitivity of our political leaders, there u will c our lack of conviction 4 any cause without an immediate pecuniary benefit. We can debate d issues but can't take d step 2 change d status quo 4a better tomorrow.

Originalsly:
Hmmm.... if you are a Christian... you should know that praying or giving should be done as privately as possible....it is a matter between you and God or you the receiver and God. If you have to give to someone..... and find the need to call in the camera crew..... post the moments on social media so others can see what a wonderful and caring and giving person you are...then you are not giving from the heart. Keepnwaiting to see ehmmm.... Christians/freed sheeple snap themselves giving to the less fortunate.

that is exactly why most ppl aren't aware of wat churches are doing cos dey don't come out to brag about it.. But these so called free sheep are claiming d church isn't doing any thing so let dem show us dat they r faithful to TAP challenge as well

salvation101:
Europeans are stingy but their church missionaries used tithe payers money to provide free education for us in Africa

.. Who told you. It was tithe payers money? Get your facts straight

ALL HIS SUPPORTERS HAVE FISH BRAINS.

AREN'T LEADERS SUPPOSE TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE?? So how can a man without credibility tell me what and what not to do with my own hard earn money??

Only FOOLS and MORE FOOLS can dance to the sound of an empty, demonic gong.

IDIOTS will blame their lack of sense on recession now.

SnakeDoctor011:
.. Who told you. It was tithe payers money? Get your facts straight

why don't you prove me wrong? Mention d names of the churches dat opened missionary schools in Nigeria nd tell me how many of dem don't collect tithes. Even catholics dat claim not to, collect more offerings more than pentecostal churches do

erico2k2:

Thats over hyped, I know u r in Uniport comp science.Stp telling people U make 300 to 400k, it dnt make sense,Face your Education and get a good degree/Grade

May God bless you so much, I don't know why people tell lies with this so called CPA as if one has not done it before. As a Nigerian you will have to stay on the computer for 24 hrs a day and 7 days non stop to earn $200 a month on Cost Per Action stuff haba. Then, what time do you take to study.
I hate hearing all this lies from our youngsters.

salvation101:
why do u assume that pastors are enriching themselves? Is it about tge church buildings? Or the private jets? Where dey bought in the church name or pastors name? If d pastor should pass on would those things belong to his family or the church? The church is a very big organization, if the church decides dat the most senior pastor should be bought a private jet, for the ease of the work of ministry is there anything wrong in dat knowing fully well that the Number one mandate Christ gave the church is to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature

Why deceive yourself? What happened to the regular flight services everyone else uses?? A private jet is a luxury, simple.

Jesus christ himself went around preaching the gospel, yet he carried himself as any normal citizen would, not as a high ranking pharisee did. But today's pastors in Nigeria live the luxurious lives of kings while accepting reverence from their followers.

All of them will claim "and the holy spirit spoke to me.." up and down, just to collect tithe.


Ezekiel 13:9 - My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and who give lying divinations. They shall not be in the council of my people, nor be enrolled in the register of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord God

Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Pastor Adeboye - "But please do not let anybody get you into trouble by attracting God’s curse to yourself, please pay your tithe"

Next2Bezee:


Why deceive yourself? What happened to the regular flight services everyone else uses?? A private jet is a luxury, simple.

Jesus christ himself went around preaching the gospel, yet he carried himself as any normal citizen would, not as a high ranking pharisee did. But today's pastors in Nigeria live the luxurious lives of kings while accepting reverence from their followers.

All of them will claim "and the holy spirit spoke to me.." up and down, just to collect tithe.


Ezekiel 13:9 - My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and who give lying divinations. They shall not be in the council of my people, nor be enrolled in the register of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord God

Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

nope, its poverty mindset dat makes u see private jets as luxury wen ppl like Kenneth Copeland and Joel osteen who are pastors move in private jets and Americans do not make issues out of it. Same private jet our celebrities use and everyone thinks its cool, same private jet dat a single former governor of a stae in Nigeria has 4 of it but no one is making any issue of it. But if the church decides to buy a private jet to ease the work of their pastor, it becomes a sin cos he is Nigerian. U now equate povery to piety, wat a pity.
Am sure u will even say traveling firstclass is a sin for pastors who don't av private jet

salvation101:
u are very correct sir. Those making the fuss about tithing are simply those who are looking for justification not to tithe. Its not really about d bible but about their greed. 90% of people members in the church aren't even faithful in tithing so i wonder wat d noice is about

It's jist like in the bank. The people that make the most noise and criticize the bank are the ones with 3, 235 naira if you know what i mean. The ones with the small amounts make so much noise and threaten to close their accounts. The ones running the bank with their money are usually quiet..

ImaIma1:


It's jist like in the bank. The people that make the most noise and criticize the bank are the ones with 3, 235 naira if you know what i mean. The ones with the small amounts make so much noise and threaten to close their accounts. The ones running the bank with their money are usually quiet..

Hahahahahaha. My sister u r so funny.

salvation101:
. But these so called free sheep are claiming d church isn't doing any thing

That's not what they are saying.

salvation101:
why don't you prove me wrong? Mention d names of the churches dat opened missionary schools in Nigeria nd tell me how many of dem don't collect tithes. Even catholics dat claim not to, collect more offerings more than pentecostal churches do

did I mention 'offerings'?... Of course I do support giving offerings, donations.. Its basically a way to support the ministry of christ... But Tithing is not commanded by our Lord Jesus, if it was, it would have been stated clearly in the new testament as it was stated clearly in the old testament under the mosaic law. Those who paid tithe in the old testament were Jews following the Jewish law(mosaic law), I am a Nigerian also known as 'Gentiles' in the new testament.. Basically we as Nigerians are not under the Jewish law to pay TITHE. Moreover, I am a Christian, I am christ - like.. Christ never paid or collected tithe even the first apostles, so who am I to pay tithe. Jesus Christ taught us love, faith, grace, giving freely to the poor, widows, homeless without grudge or. Compulsion for God loves a cheerful giver. We can give freely out of our abundance to propagate and support the Gospel! Stop twisting the scriptures please like your GOs..it might interest you to know that i am a deeper life member.

salvation101:
nope, its poverty mindset dat makes u see private jets as luxury wen ppl like Kenneth Copeland and Joel osteen who are pastors move in private jets and Americans do not make issues out of it. Same private jet our celebrities use and everyone thinks its cool, same private jet dat a single former governor of a stae in Nigeria has 4 of it but no one is making any issue of it. But if the church decides to buy a private jet to ease the work of their pastor, it becomes a sin cos he is Nigerian. U now equate povery to piety, wat a pity.

Poverty mentality? Hahahahahaha. Just look at how you lower your brain just to defend your pastor and live in self denial. Can you afford a private jet? Even if they sell your entire family tree, can it even pay for 1 litre of jet fuel?

Private jets prices could range from $30m (10.8 billion naira) to well over $100m (36 billion naira). If having a private jet is now the criteria to guage whether or not somebody is poor, then almost everybody in Nigeria is living in poverty.

I feel sorry for you so let me help you with a little knowledge. Questioning tithing didn't start from Daddy Freeze or is it only Nigerians complaining. There are even books from other nationals about it, go and read.

https://www.amazon.com/Tithe-Scam-Christianitys-Biggest-Tithing-ebook/dp/B00IYNHOE0

2 Peter 2:1-3 - But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

PrecisionFx:



Oga stop derailing ur sense.

Bible said tithes should be paid to Orphan, Levites, motherless, Fatherless, and poor people generally. People who want to give them poor people should do so. They are not expected to upload proof to u.

Ignore the clown.

So people should upload proof for you to see, so later you can turn it around and accuse them of being Pharisees.

His head is filled with dust and ashes.