Ferisidowu:


if I get your point, you are contradicting yourself..

now tell me,

the one that accepted Jesus on his death bed, how did he enter? how did he work out his salvation?

clearly you don't get my point, you just asked the same question I asked. If one is getting in on grace alone and the other on grace-works, will they inherit the same in heaven?

joshnes:
clearly you don't get my point, you just asked the same question I asked. If one is getting in on grace alone and the other on grace-works, will they inherit the same in heaven?

alright so is it Grace +works?

Ferisidowu:

alright so is it Grace +works?

I am asking him myself.

joshnes:
I am asking him myself.

ok

Ferisidowu:
ok

but if you have anything to chip in, I will gladly welcome it.

joshnes:
but if you have anything to chip in, I will gladly welcome it.

it's Grace alone

joshnes:
but a christian can't enter heaven on Christ righteousness alone? He/she must add his own righteousness? What is the difference (if any) in heaven between the man that accepted Jesus on his death bed and the one who worked out his salvation with fear and trembling?

1.2.who said so?

3. both with be in heaven with different levels of glory.

Ferisidowu:


Lolz anyways I'd like you to show me the doctrines and the things wrong with it

I'm very sure none of his doctrines are heretic

on this you can begin with the Calvinist doctrine of once saved always saved

.

Oh really, and you can condemn Calvinism ... Yet you claim we are justified by Grace according to God's mercy through the merits of Christ ..
Now I ask you, is Grace the same as works?

Do all know this Grace, does the Grace move them to believe Jesus..

Are all changed by this Grace?

actually salvation by grace according to God's mercy through the merits of Christ received by faith in baptism is the historic Christian teaching, Luther simply added alone every where, Calvin mixed predestination into it and the Baptist removed baptism from it.
1. no
2. the Grace that justify is not known to all, it moves to believe.

Lolz no wonder you condemn Calvinism, how can the people contemporary to Abraham have faith in the true God which they never knew, were they not idolaters
Even Abraham was an idolater before God called him, did God call all the people in Abraham's father's house?
Did God commune with people like he did with Abraham?
Could God not send Abraham to go about preaching the gospel to others? Did God do that? So you think God can be resisted like those ARMINIANS OF ARMINIANISM.

MAYBE YOU EVEN ARMINIAN?

again arminianism is another invention. if you think God can't be resisted why does the Bible say in Acts 7:51 Stephen
tells the Sanhedrin, "You always resist the Holy
Spirit!"

And what does this change, people contemporary to Abraham that were not given the Grace will never be justified, even if they have the law in their hearts ... The only means to justification is Christ Jesus

I guess next you'll tell me Abraham also accepted Jesus as personal Lord and saviour.
God passes over sins committed in ignorance. you can't accuse people of the sin of unbelief if you already admitted that they were never preached to.

Lolz now justification is by works, ryt, and also I understand this your point to mean that Christ isn't the ONLY WAY. Since those contemporary to Abraham can be justified by their works, then 1) it's useless that God called Abraham.
2) and also that Christ had not been crucified since the foundation of the world

Can there be eternal life without Jesus?

This verse you quoted is out of justification context

We are saved only by Christ not works.........

Although some people contemporary to Abraham were good yet that doesn't justify them, it's a prove that
The law is written in their hearts...

you are arguing with yourself.

I already told you justification by grace through faith. the verse I quoted is about judgement by works

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basis for justification is grace through faith in Christ merits.

a man that is justified is already declared righteous, works does not make him righteous rather it is the sacrifice of Christ on the cross of Calvary.


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he basis for judgement is works, not faith, that is the basis every one will be judged. God saves us by faith unto good works and will judge us on those works

Works cannot condemn a bornagain christian because he has already been justified by God unless you want to tell me God will reverse what he has done.
Works will condem unbelievers because their works proves who they really are. ( rotten sinner).
Good works does not count in salvation.

Matthew 25
His lord answered and said unto him, Thou
wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I
reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have
not strawed:

A slothful servant is a servant that thinks he is doing something to appease the master because he taught th master was an hard man. That is a man who is not saved, a slave
A servant can be casted out from his masters house but a son abides forever.


John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money
to the exchangers, and then at my coming I
should have received mine own with usury.
Take therefore the talent from him, and give it
unto him which hath ten talents.
For unto every one that hath shall be given,
and he shall have abundance: but from him that
hath not shall be taken away even that which he
hath.
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer
darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of
teeth.

I have posted my answer above.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit
upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another, as a
shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right
hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the
kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of
the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I
was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a
stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye
visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying,
Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed
thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee
in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and
came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them,
Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it
unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye
have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left
hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting
fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no
meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked,
and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye
visited me not.

the sheep of Christ are not goats.
Goats are those who are not bornagain.

Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord,
when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a
stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did
not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say
unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the
least of these, ye did it not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting
punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

John 5:28-29 , Jesus says, “…
for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the
tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth;
those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of
life, those who committed the evil deeds to a
resurrection of judgment.”
Matthew 16:27 , Jesus says, “For the Son of Man is
going to come in the glory of His Father with His
angels, and will then repay every man according to
his deeds.”

I have answered above.

2 Cor. 5:10 , “For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be
recompensed for his deeds in the body, according
to what he has done, whether good or bad.”
Galatians 6:7-8 , “Do not be deceived, God is not
mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also
reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will
from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who
sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal
life.”

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

According to the bible there are two resurrection on for the righteous and the other for the unrighteous.

Jesus said those that believes in him will never be condemned.
Good works is just the fruit of a saved man.
Good works is not a requirement for salvation (heaven)
It does not improve the grace of God.

Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Grace doesn't need human contribution or improvement.
It is the totality of the finished work of Christ on the cross of calvary. Nothing can be added or removed. It is perfect.

solite3:


a man that is justified is already declared righteous,
works does not make him righteous rather it is the
sacrifice of Christ on the cross of Calvary.

one of the lies inherent modern Calvinist teaching is the perchance for creating false dichotomy, you guys always manage to create an either or teaching and the teaching above is an example.

now listen.


Justification is not just a declaration, when God says something he does it, when God declares the believer justified he makes him truly just because God does not declare falsehood. when I became justified God didn't just proclaim me just, he washed away my sins, granted me the merits of Christ's death, the holy spirit, made me His son and in truth I became just.

(this is the first difference BTW historic Christian teachings and the Protestant invention. the Protestants teach that when God justify a person he doesn't really make the person just instead God is only making a declaration).


this righteousness is a lived reality, it isn't just a declaration it is a reality in the believer, God grants this righteousness to us by grace, crediting to our account the merits of Jesus and because righteousness is a reality not merely a declaration, the Bible clearly teaches that what we do in this body affect the righteousness we have received

some like to think that righteousness is some fixed lump that a believer is given that make him always ok with God, no, no. righteousness is that grace not just by which we are declared just but by which we are actually and truly just.

let me explain from scriptures.

1. we are righteous by grace through the merits of Jesus.

This righteousness is given through
faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no
difference between Jew and Gentile.
Romans 3:22
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came
upon all men to condemnation; even so by the
righteousness of one the free gift came upon all
men unto justification of life.

2. after we have received this righteousness we must live for it. it is a lived reality.

[b]“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so
that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by
his wounds you have been healed.”
1 Peter 2:24
3. to live righteously is the opposition of sinful deeds

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath
appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying
ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly,
righteously, and godly, in this present world.
Titus 2:11-12

4. righteousness is not just what we are declared to be, it is both a gift, and a pattern of life that we must pursue.

But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue
righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and
gentleness.

5. such that he who practices righteousness is truly righteous

Little children, let no one deceive you! The one who
does what is right is righteous, just as He is
righteous.
1 John 3:7

6. he who commit sin has lost righteousness and now is in unrighteousness.

However, if righteous people turn from their righteous
behavior and start doing sinful things and act like
other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of
course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten,
and they will die for their sins.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all
unrighteousness.
Romans 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of
un righteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto
God, as those that are alive from the dead, and
your members as instruments of righteousness
unto God.[/b]


I can go on and on but this is sufficient the point is made.

the man who received righteousness by faith must continue in it by works for John says The one who
does what is right is righteous, just as He is
righteous and avoid sin which is opposed to and destroys righteousness.

The believer who is made righteous by grace must live righteously by works and avoid sin that bring forth unrighteousness.

this is what happen when people read invention of men into scriptures, they end up abusing scriptures just to satisfy their invention.

solite3:
Works cannot condemn a bornagain christian because
he has already been justified by God unless you want
to tell me God will reverse what he has done.
Works will condem unbelievers because their works
proves who they really are. ( rotten sinner).
Good works does not count in salvation.

A slothful servant is a servant that thinks he is doing
something to appease the master because he taught th
master was an hard man. That is a man who is not
saved, a slave
the sheep of Christ are not goats.
Goats are those who are not bornagain.

1.yes works cannot justify but the Bible is clear that judgement is based on works and works can condemn.

Romans 2:6-8 New American Bible (Revised
Edition) (NABRE)
who will repay everyone according to his works:
eternal life to those who seek glory, honor,
and immortality through perseverance in good
works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly
disobey the truth and obey wickedness.

2. The slothful servant is not the one trying to appease his Master, the slothful servant is one who doesn't WORK, sloth means unwillingness to work, stop trying to twist it.

3. the parable is clear, goats are those who didn't work even though they had the opportunity. there is no mention of born again there, that passage is clear. the goats are like the slothful servant who refused to work.

Salvation is a gift. It's been worked for. It's totally the work of Christ of which qualifies us for heaven. No extra work needed only if we believe.

Believing involves contrition, confession and conviction. That's why a very sinful man at the death bed can make heaven if just believe.

Working out our salvation is totally a different thing. It is what qualifies us for a reward on earth and most importantly in heaven.

Paul kept emphasizing on working out ones salvation to Philippians who were already saved. He knew that as humans, they are likely to loose the free give of salvation if it's not continually oiled by good works. Nature abhors vacuum.

A man at the death bed who just received Christ has no time to do good or bad works and thereby will easily make heaven. But a man who is fit and accepts Christ is at the danger of loosing his salvation if he does not do good work as empowered by the holy spirit. He will become complacent and will most likely to do bad works by going back to his adamic nature and thereby loosing his salvation. This is where "faith without work is dead" comes to play.

That being said, the reward of man who received the free gift of salvation and stops there is far lower than the reward of a man who who received salvation and went ahead to do good works both on earth and in heaven.

solite3:
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name of the only
begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is
come into the world, and men loved darkness rather
than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth
my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath
everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation;
but is passed from death unto life.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to
them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the
flesh, but after the Spirit.
According to the bible there are two resurrection on for
the righteous and the other for the unrighteous.
Jesus said those that believes in him will never be
condemned.
Good works is just the fruit of a saved man.
Good works is not a requirement for salvation (heaven)
It does not improve the grace of God.
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath
quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are
saved
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Grace doesn't need human contribution or
improvement.
It is the totality of the finished work of Christ on the
cross of calvary. Nothing can be added or removed. It
is perfect.

all these simply ignore the fact that faith without works is totally dead and cannot save. Anyone who believes but will not work because he thinks works are unimportant is heading for ruin and eternal damnation because his faith alone will not save him, will not take him to heaven that is exactly how God made it.


he justified us by grace through faith so that we may perform the good works he foreordained for us.

he who will not work does not have saving faith and will certainly not make it to heaven. That is that importance of works.
for those who claim it is not important to work James teaches

faith without works is dead.

Paul says though circumcision is unimportant keeping the commandments and a Working faith is important.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor
uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith
working through love.
gal 5:6

New International Version
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is
nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.
2 core 7:19
and John tells us clearly that if your faith doesn't show forth by love then you are spiritually dead

We know that we have passed from death to life,
because we love the brethren. He that loveth not,
abideth in death.
1 John 3:14


anyone who told you that works are unimportant is lying to you and teaching you the invention of Calvin

joshnes:
"reward of the inheritance", that is reward of the salvation. There are rewards attached to your works if you're saved. If salvation is a reward, then it can't be an inheritance, you either work for it or not.

you are the person who is creating this dichotomy, the Bible present heaven both as inheritance and reward.

Romans 2:6-8 New American Bible (Revised
Edition) (NABRE)
who will repay everyone according to his works:
eternal life to those who seek glory, honor,
and immortality through perseverance in good
works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly
disobey the truth and obey wickedness.


God repays (reward) with eternal life those who seek glory through good works.

Ubenedictus:



one of the lies inherent modern Calvinist teaching is the perchance for creating false dichotomy, you guys always manage to create an either or teaching and the teaching above is an example.

now listen.


Justification is not just a declaration, when God says something he does it, when God declares the believer justified he makes him truly just because God does not declare falsehood. when I became justified God didn't just proclaim me just, he washed away my sins, granted me the merits of Christ's death, the holy spirit, made me His son and in truth I became just.

(this is the first difference BTW historic Christian teachings and the Protestant invention. the Protestants teach that when God justify a person he doesn't really make the person just instead God is only making a declaration).


this righteousness is a lived reality, it isn't just a declaration it is a reality in the believer, God grants this righteousness to us by grace, crediting to our account the merits of Jesus and because righteousness is a reality not merely a declaration, the Bible clearly teaches that what we do in this body affect the righteousness we have received

some like to think that righteousness is some fixed lump that a believer is given that make him always ok with God, no, no. righteousness is that grace not just by which we are declared just but by which we are actually and truly just.

let me explain from scriptures.

1. we are righteous by grace through the merits of Jesus.

This righteousness is given through
faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no
difference between Jew and Gentile.
Romans 3:22
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came
upon all men to condemnation; even so by the
righteousness of one the free gift came upon all
men unto justification of life.

2. after we have received this righteousness we must live for it. it is a lived reality.

[b]“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so
that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by
his wounds you have been healed.”
1 Peter 2:24
3. to live righteously is the opposition of sinful deeds

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath
appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying
ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly,
righteously, and godly, in this present world.
Titus 2:11-12

4. righteousness is not just what we are declared to be, it is both a gift, and a pattern of life that we must pursue.

But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue
righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and
gentleness.

5. such that he who practices righteousness is truly righteous

Little children, let no one deceive you! The one who
does what is right is righteous, just as He is
righteous.
1 John 3:7

6. he who commit sin has lost righteousness and now is in unrighteousness.

However, if righteous people turn from their righteous
behavior and start doing sinful things and act like
other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of
course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten,
and they will die for their sins.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all
unrighteousness.
Romans 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of
un righteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto
God, as those that are alive from the dead, and
your members as instruments of righteousness
unto God.[/b]


I can go on and on but this is sufficient the point is made.

the man who received righteousness by faith must continue in it by works for John says The one who
does what is right is righteous, just as He is
righteous and avoid sin which is opposed to and destroys righteousness.

The believer who is made righteous by grace must live righteously by works and avoid sin that bring forth unrighteousness.

lolz the righteousness the elect are justified with is only in Christ, it can't be passed to them, the righteousness they practice no matter how great it is can't justify them.

though of a truth , the holy Spirit give them a better life, they not lawless ...

anyone who wants the righteousness with which he needs to be justified in himself is trying to cast away Christ

Nuzo1:
Salvation is a gift. It's been worked for. It's totally the work of Christ of which qualifies us for heaven. No extra work needed only if we believe.

Believing involves contrition, confession and conviction. That's why a very sinful man at the death bed can make heaven if just believe.

Working out our salvation is totally a different thing. It is what qualifies us for a reward on earth and most importantly in heaven.

Paul kept emphasizing on working out ones salvation to Philippians who were already saved. He knew that as humans, they are likely to loose the free give of salvation if it's not continually oiled by good works. Nature abhors vacuum.

A man at the death bed who just received Christ has no time to do good or bad works and thereby will easily make heaven. But a man who is fit and accepts Christ is at the danger of loosing his salvation if he does not do good work as empowered by the holy spirit. He will become complacent and will most likely to do bad works by going back to his adamic nature and thereby loosing his salvation. This is where "faith without work is dead" comes to play.

That being said, the reward of man who received the free gift of salvation and stops there is far lower than the reward of a man who who received salvation and went ahead to do good works both on earth and in heaven.

I believe on that in bold we are in agreement.


but I'll take you to task on something else

you speak of works as something extra that is added... on this I disagree. works is not something extra, it is part and parcel of the salvation package, we are justified that we may perform the good works God has foreordained... it is not adding something extra, it is the very thing God expects of the justified

Ferisidowu:


lolz the righteousness the elect are justified with is only in Christ, it can't be passed to them, the righteousness they practice no matter how great it is can't justify them.

though of a truth , the holy Spirit give them a better life, they not lawless ...

anyone who wants the righteousness with which he needs to be justified in himself is trying to cast away Christ

and you make this submission without a single scripture that rebut what I have said.


1. The righteousness in which we are justified is truly Christ's righteousness, but it doesn't simply remain in Christ, it is GIVEN TO US, as grace so it is a lie when you say it can't be passed to us.

This righteousness is given through
faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no
difference between Jew and Gentile.
Romans 3:22

that is the simple truth, the righteousness is truly given to the believer and moreso that righteousness mean he will act rightly
Little children, let no one deceive you! The one who
does what is right is righteous, just as He is
righteous.
1 John 3:7


you can't assert anything to the contrary without contradicting scripture and as John says it isn't casting away Christ it is been righteous as he is.

Ubenedictus:


you are the person who is creating this dichotomy, the Bible present heaven both as inheritance and reward.

Romans 2:6-8 New American Bible (Revised
Edition) (NABRE)
who will repay everyone according to his works:
eternal life to those who seek glory, honor,
and immortality through perseverance in good
works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly
disobey the truth and obey wickedness.


God repays (reward) with eternal life those who seek glory through good works.

Uben, your point is crystal clear and I agree with you.

joshnes:
Uben, your point is crystal clear and I agree with you.

then not everyone needs Jesus

Ferisidowu:

then not everyone needs Jesus

can somebody lose their salvation?

joshnes:
can somebody lose their salvation?

it depends on what salvation is.. so to you, what's salvation?

Ferisidowu:

it depends on what salvation is..
so to you, what's salvation?

total translation from darkness to light, by grace through faith. Whatever definition you have, I ask can a person lose it?

joshnes:
total translation from darkness to light, by grace through faith. Whatever definition you have, I ask can a person lose it?

a person can lose his so called salvation...
an elect can't lose his SALVATION

Ferisidowu:

a person can lose his so called salvation... an elect can't lose his SALVATION

what is an elect's salvation?

joshnes:
Uben, your point is crystal clear and I agree with you.

my oga so why you just allow me dey sweat for nothing?

heee!

Ferisidowu:


then not everyone needs Jesus

I didn't teach this, I have never taught this, and God willing I will never teach this.


all who have entered heaven, are entering heaven and will ever enter heaven do so because of the death of Jesus Christ...
where we disagree is how it happens, I believe all who received the gospel entered heaven by Grace through faith... I believe those who couldn't Hear the Gospel some may have been saved, again by God's mercy who because of Jesus did not imput past sin done in ignorance all according to grace in Christ.


we probably disagree on the last part... I will discuss it you wish but I don't believe in salvation outside Jesus.

Ubenedictus:


my oga so why you just allow me dey sweat for nothing?

heee!

it wasn't in vain at all, your points made me go and do some mini studies and now I agree with you.

joshnes:
it wasn't in vain at all, your points made me go and do some mini studies and now I agree with you.

thank God and thank you

it is very rare today to find anyone who would do research on a matter he is arguing about... I have encountered cases instead where people argued ad infinitum until they almost reached insults.

Ubenedictus:


thank God and thank you

it is very rare today to find anyone who would do research on a matter he is arguing about... I have encountered cases instead where people argued ad infinitum until they almost reached insults.

definitely not me, you did well.

Goshen360:


This is complete nonsense! Your summary is wrong and heresy! Why would your good works preserve your salvation if you never wasn't saved by the good works in the first place?

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

jwals:

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Your point for quoting me is...?

Goshen360:


Your point for quoting me is...?

The reason for quoting you, is that, I want to know if what you meant was that good works, is not a necessity after salvation? I know that we are justified by faith in christ and how can I show you my faith without works,