Olu317:
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Olu317:
Well, if you can identify so many animals,then you will understand human beings reactionary attitudes. I used this as a metaphor because, each individual you come across has an absolute character of a particular animal like nature in his or her make up..So, when I come across people in real life or social media,I tend to understand them from such angle. Irrespective of individual ,claiming Spiritualism and Yoruba traditional society group, it still didnt change the fact that aĺl Yorubas and human beings have equal opportunity to express himself or herself. Using vulgar words isnt the best way to approach issue. Even if such apologists of the traditon of our ancestors do attach sentiments to Yoruba tradition and beliefs. The one being who all answers to is Eledumare in Yoruba land . And Yoruba God dont die but lives forever. So, I don't see any reason one should fight for Yoruba deified beings who worshipped Eledumare . I expect omoluabi's character from all of us irrespective of our differences . Although IFA's knowledge existed before Jesus came to the earth in Phyiscal person Yet IFA acknowledged Jesus christ because, the first thing that came out of ELedumare was Oro/word(Ela oro wa), which was the first word spoken by Eledumare. You will find this shocking resemblance with the Bible until you read it in one of Odu IFA . And the Path of IFA guided Yoruba people without flaws until evil people who had knowlwdge of IFA manipulated it for their selfish reasons. Having opined this,choice is given to all individual by God of the bible which is the same as God of Yorubas. There were people that became a Contact to Eledumare in the ancient time in yoruba land that became defied and used as a link to Eledumare(God almighty ). The point here is that The Arabs calls God (Allah), The Hebrew of Old called God(Eli) and Yoruba called God (Eledumare) . The ancient Yorubas worshipped God and the modern Yorubas are still in tune with God despite Yorubas shortcoming .

Agbo'ye. I agree with you %100

Olu317:
Then get books about Egyptians,Nubians,Ethiopians ,Sumerian , Assyrians, Persians,Babylonians, Arabians Conquests as it relates to the Hebrews. Perhaps, you will have world view of migration, civilization and God —gods of each group before splinters emerged from them all.

I'm sorry but how does this relate to the issue at hand? Like I said earlier can you direct me to any such sources where I can get clear information on this link you speak of.

I notice you haven't t replied my earlier post, if you are offended by my bluntness then I apologise it is not my intention. But if truly you're this invested in your very thin theory you'd disregard an intellectual argument about facts then I feel you intentionally want to live in delusion and desperate to sever connections with Africa or claim non African roots which is truly sad and one of the most blatant examples of self hate a person can witness.

jupiterx:

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Yeah and I replied you and I hope you got it. Now, PDF all the topics/Sources I sent to you when you google.

DevdanSanguine:


I'm sorry but how does this relate to the issue at hand? Like I said earlier can you direct me to any such sources where I can get clear information on this link you speak of.

I notice you haven't t replied my earlier post, if you are offended by my bluntness then I apologise it is not my intention. But if truly you're this invested in your very thin theory you'd disregard an intellectual argument about facts then I feel you intentionally want to live in delusion and desperate to sever connections with Africa or claim non African roots which is truly sad and one of the most blatant examples of self hate a person can witness.

Well, I missed your specific direction. And bring clarity to it because every information i have tried to relate with or relay here still centered on Odua—Yoruba history.

DevdanSanguine:


But the only black people in Mecca during this age were slaves and the only idol worshippers With such will were Arabs. I don't get it...

Research via excavation proved this assertion wrong. Below is three comparable sculptures of a Yoruba person whom is from your extreme left and the other ones were Asia people . The excavation of the Persian head was done around Babylonian ,which is in present day Iraq . While, the last head was shown in Egypt's museum. And I am sure, these two heads were not Caucasians nor Arabs but a mixed Negro Race(Half cast). The sculpture of yoruba is incomparable with any tribes in Subsahara Africa ,which drew the attention of the researcher of western world historians. Mind you, no one can be carved out into sculpture if such is not a wealthy / Noble person. And Islam was born after five(5) hundreds years of Christianity existence. So,Cush/Nubians/Egyptians at one time had different slaves of all people in Egypt days as superpower of the world.

Olu317:
Research via excavation proved this assertion wrong. Below is three comparable sculptures of a Yoruba person whom is from your extreme left and the other ones were Asia people . The excavation of the Persian head was done around Babylonian ,which is in present day Iraq . While, the last head was shown in Egypt's museum. And I am sure, these two heads were not Caucasians nor Arabs but a mixed Negro Race(Half cast). The sculpture of yoruba is incomparable with any tribes in Subsahara Africa ,which drew the attention of the researcher of western world historians. Mind you, no one can be carved out into sculpture if such is not a wealthy / Noble person. And Islam was born after five(5) hundreds years of Christianity existence. So,Cush/Nubians/Egyptians at one time had different slaves of all people in Egypt days as superpower of the world.

LMAO you do know there are middleasterners and even Greeks and europeans with curly hair yes? You do know sculpture isn't exclusive to one culture yes? Heck the funny thing is that there is no similarity whatsoever between these sculptures.

The yoruba culture is unlike....

The Igbos will claim the same. So will other southern ethnicities.

Let's even assume that these sculptures show African features (they don't). What's your proof that these are yorubas and not Ethiopians or any other ethnic group closer to that region and with a more likely placement there?

Mind you, in the period where Islam came and the period you claim lamurudu or whoever escaped with his people from there I repeat there were no such established black clans in Mecca. The only blacks there were mostly slaves and the very few who had been freed. So how on earth will get even escape let alone have a large cult following, a black man in the days of jahiliyya. I'm a Muslim who is also well knowledgeable about the history of this age and has read various Islamic scripts that confirm what I'm saying. I can say without a doubt that everything you're saying is absolute rubbish.

And like I keep saying, if indeed there was such a migration or some admixtures there will at least be 0.1 traces on non African blood in your DNA. But that's not the case, not only do you not have that you don't have any other admixture other than subsaharan African. Your language is West African. Why are you reaching so hard.

Those sculptures are more similar to nok sculptures BTW so I reckon you had better seek connections with those.

DevdanSanguine:


LMAO you do know there are middleasterners and even Greeks and europeans with curly hair yes? You do know sculpture isn't exclusive to one culture yes? Heck the funny thing is that there is no similarity whatsoever between these sculptures.

The yoruba culture is unlike....

The Igbos will claim the same. So will other southern ethnicities.

Let's even assume that these sculptures show African features (they don't). What's your proof that these are yorubas and not Ethiopians or any other ethnic group closer to that region and with a more likely placement there?

Mind you, in the period where Islam came and the period you claim lamurudu or whoever escaped with his people from there I repeat there were no such established black clans in Mecca. The only blacks there were mostly slaves and the very few who had been freed. So how on earth will get even escape let alone have a large cult following, a black man in the days of jahiliyya. I'm a Muslim who is also well knowledgeable about the history of this age and has read various Islamic scripts that confirm what I'm saying. I can say without a doubt that everything you're saying is absolute rubbish.

And like I keep saying, if indeed there was such a migration or some admixtures there will at least be 0.1 traces on non African blood in your DNA. But that's not the case, not only do you not have that you don't have any other admixture other than subsaharan African. Your language is West African. Why are you reaching so hard.

Those sculptures are more similar to nok sculptures BTW so I reckon you had better seek connections with those.

it is obvious, you didnt read. First of all, This sculpture below was Yoruba .If you doubt, go verify . Nok culture didn't look as prototype Roman,Greek,Middle Eastern people. I mentioned Neanderthal research done in the past that was claimed to be advanced man in which Yoruba were grouped as having such admixture. And yes, Yoruba are presently domicile in West Africa but Yoruba ancestors and culture is the most studied. Go and read books about Yorubas if you want to have more knowledge about their great exploit in the past.

Olu317:
it is obvious, you didnt read. First of all, This sculpture below was Yoruba .If you doubt, go verify . Nok culture didn't look as prototype Roman,Greek,Middle Eastern people. I mentioned Neatherdal research done in the past that was claimed to be advanced man in which Yoruba were grouped as having such admixture. And yes, Yoruba are presently domicile in West Africa but Yoruba ancestors and culture is the most studied. Go and read books about Yorubas if you want to have more knowledge about their great exploit in the past.

Yes its obviously Yoruba but the one on the right which you tried to compare clearly isn't and shares no similarity whatsoever with it. Nok may not resemble that of the people of mentioned but it certainly resembles that of Yorubas and I mentioned it because i feel you're more sensible when comparing those two than the non African ones you claim.

Again the only citation I could find for such study by this man says the exact opposite of what you claim. If you have the other which supports your claim please let me know so I can find it.

Okay. So because it's most studied makes it more unique or more non African than other cultures? Are you even serious?

Yes. I would love to read such books even though I am not Yoruba but I'd love to be proven wrong in the sense that I can't believe someone hates who he is so much that he would believe such unfounded jargons to deny it. So please make such recommendations so I can read about these great exploits, especially those that support your claims.

All I am asking for is a reliable citation.

DevdanSanguine:


Yes its obviously Yoruba but the one on the right which you tried to compare clearly isn't and shares no similarity whatsoever with it. Nok may not resemble that of the people of mentioned but it certainly resembles that of Yorubas and I mentioned it because i feel you're more sensible when comparing those two than the non African ones you claim.

Again the only citation I could find for such study by this man says the exact opposite of what you claim. If you have the other which supports your claim please let me know so I can find it.

Okay. So because it's most studied makes it more unique or more non African than other cultures? Are you even serious?

Yes. I would love to read such books even though I am not Yoruba but I'd love to be proven wrong in the sense that I can't believe someone hates who he is so much that he would believe such unfounded jargons to deny it. So please make such recommendations so I can read about these great exploits, especially those that support your claims.

All I am asking for is a reliable citation.

These didnt share similarities? I am sure you didn't see it very clearly earlier but the two in comparison ,the choice is yours if you insist on your assertion. Again, this sculptural work , was alien to West Africa, until Yoruba did such. How did yoruba people mastered this Sculptural work and science ? In West Africa? My answer is NO because of old had clothing patterned like Northern Africa etc. Secondly, You seem to forget that the world of humanity descended from same stock and quest to find out the past led to account narrated by some people during the ancient times. Either I am a proud Yoruba man is another thing entirely because what is being inferred here are basically people's historical account and nothing to do with being Yoruba or not as regard what you asked earlier . Have you any knowledge the name Yoruba were called in the past? I guess you want to have knowledge about it too. Do not get too emotional about West Africa because there has been no time that West Africa had a human fossil that is older than East Africa. And what does that imply? It means the East Africa is older than West Africa . And migration was the reason. If indeed you want sources about Yoruba history which is centered on Odua , then you can Google Yoruba history .This is because, I had given you the names and clue about ancient world powers at different times. You can start from it .

Olu317:
These didnt share similarities? I am sure you didn't see it very clearly earlier but the two in comparison ,the choice is yours if you insist on your assertion. Again, this sculptural work , was alien to West Africa, until Yoruba did such. How did yoruba people mastered this Sculptural work and science ? In West Africa? My answer is NO because of old had clothing patterned like Northern Africa etc. Secondly, You seem to forget that the world of humanity descended from same stock and quest to find out the past led to account narrated by some people during the ancient times. Either I am a proud Yoruba man is another thing entirely because what is being inferred here are basically people's historical account and nothing to do with being Yoruba or not as regard what you asked earlier . Have you any knowledge the name Yoruba were called in the past? I guess you want to have knowledge about it too. Do not get too emotional about West Africa because there has been no time that West Africa had a human fossil that is older than East Africa. And what does that imply? It means the East Africa is older than West Africa . And migration was the reason. If indeed you want sources about Yoruba history which is centered on Odua , then you can Google Yoruba history .This is because, I had given you the names and clue about ancient world powers at different times. You can start from it .

Lol! I meant there is no similarity between this and the Persian sculpture you tried to use to support your claim.

Saying sculptural knowledge was alien to Africans is quietly Frank disturbing and completely false. Nok, Akan, waga, mambilla, Mande are some of the many African cultures with sculptures. The akans have a particularly crafty one.

First you were speaking in specifics, now you're speaking in general terms. No. I will not accept this.

You made some claims exclusive to yorubas but you're yet to show men one reliable source to back up any of those claims. Obviously I have tried Google but no reliable or sane person is giving the preposterous theories you keep giving me. I mean seriously, you can't cite one reliable source?

DevdanSanguine,

There were some black Cushite ppl in Arabia before Semite ppl assimilated them through time. Semite were dark skinned just like their sister Cushite, Egyptian, etc before they mixed with the not full human white skinned ppl.

Hati13:
DevdanSanguine,

There were some black Cushite ppl in Arabia before Semite ppl assimilated them through time. Semite were dark skinned just like their sister Cushite, Egyptian, etc before they mixed with the not full human white skinned ppl.

That's why I said the only dark skinned people during this era were mostly Ethiopians like Bilal.

DevdanSanguine:


Lol! I meant there is no similarity between this and the Persian sculpture you tried to use to support your claim.

Saying sculptural knowledge was alien to Africans is quietly Frank disturbing and completely false. Nok, Akan, waga, mambilla, Mande are some of the many African cultures with sculptures. The akans have a particularly crafty one.

First you were speaking in specifics, now you're speaking in general terms. No. I will not accept this.

You made some claims exclusive to yorubas but you're yet to show men one reliable source to back up any of those claims. Obviously I have tried Google but no reliable or sane person is giving the preposterous theories you keep giving me. I mean seriously, you can't cite one reliable source?

Learn to be honest. Simple as ABC . If you claim there is no similarity in both sculpture work ,then it is obvious you remained a bias person. Secondly, I have never seen in all my posts that i perpetually declared that other tribes didn't had sculpture works but stated that Yoruba sculpture work was incomparable with any within sub sahara Africa because the production were of alloy/copper and were far better and compared with Ancient Rome,Greek etc.These were assertion of archeologists and historians from the period Professor Leo Frobenius discovered the heads dug out in ILE IFE .Thirdly, I expect you that claim Yoruba didn't have connection with outside West Africa need provide us all reading this with evidence because I have never seen or read about tribe that use Ba/Uba/Abba as Father apart from Yoruba nor have i seen any tribe that said their own God created the first word known as Ela (Ela ro wa). In fact the El in Yoruba El-edumare . All the mentioned are semitic words . Fourthly, if you need direction to getting information then bring down your ego and be humble enough without having bias mind like some people do on here who have no known research carried out but condemned others that have spent their time, resources and risk involved. If you truly want information,learn how get it .

DevdanSanguine:


That's why I said the only dark skinned people during this era were mostly Ethiopians like Bilal.

I understood your point, but I just want to correct you that not all black ppl in Arabia in ancient times were slaves like you said.

Hati13:

I understood your point, but I just want to correct you that not all black ppl in Arabia in ancient times were slaves like you said.

I said mostly,some freed. And the few with their freedom didnt have enough of a following or established enough to be responsible for the things that he claims. If i didnt i must have made a mistake and if so thank you for pointing it out.

Olu317:
Learn to be honest. Simple as ABC . If you claim there is no similarity in both sculpture work ,then it is obvious you remained a bias person. Secondly, I have never seen in all my posts that i perpetually declared that other tribes didn't had sculpture works but stated that Yoruba sculpture work was incomparable with any within sub sahara Africa because the production were of alloy/copper and were far better and compared with Ancient Rome,Greek etc.These were assertion of archeologists and historians from the period Professor Leo Frobenius discovered the heads dug out in ILE IFE .Thirdly, I expect you that claim Yoruba didn't have connection with outside West Africa need provide us all reading this with evidence because I have never seen or read about tribe that use Ba/Uba/Abba as Father apart from Yoruba nor have i seen any tribe that said their own God created the first word known as Ela (Ela ro wa). In fact the El in Yoruba El-edumare . All the mentioned are semitic words . Fourthly, if you need direction to getting information then bring down your ego and be humble enough without having bias mind like some people do on here who have no known research carried out but condemned others that have spent their time, resources and risk involved. If you truly want information,learn how get it .

I'm not the biased one here, i have nothing to gain or lose if you can prove what your saying, if anything i am hoping you're right so my opinion of you would be wrong but no one will look at those sculptures and see any similarities like you claim.

I completely disagree, sculptures made from gold and other metals by the akans are far better than the best yoruba sculptures, its not even close.

Can you please cite the article or publication where this leo fella made this claim?

Uhmm LOL then you're very ignorant of your own country. I know hausas call fathers baba, or uba and even abba, its as if you actual stole those words because those words as far as i know are used by hausas. Apart from them i know other northern minorities that use the same.

WOW! Olodumare has now turned to el edumare? LOL Why are you so desperate? Besides, why does it being that prove anything, you do know if you try to find similarities between all languages in the world you will find a few no matter how unrelated yes? Mind you kanuri hausa spanish all have words with el and even al(more suited to semitic languages). And thats just off the top of my head.

I have been humble, i have been begging to at least give me one reputable citation and yet you cant? what more can i do? Please pull me out of my ignorance, i need just one citation!

And stop using the word tribe, yoruba is an ethnicity, just like igbo, fulani, irish, hausa, arab etc are all ethnicities.

DevdanSanguine:


I'm not the biased one here, i have nothing to gain or lose if you can prove what your saying, if anything i am hoping you're right so my opinion of you would be wrong but no one will look at those sculptures and see any similarities like you claim.

I completely disagree, sculptures made from gold and other metals by the akans are far better than the best yoruba sculptures, its not even close.

Can you please cite the article or publication where this leo fella made this claim?

Uhmm LOL then you're very ignorant of your own country. I know hausas call fathers baba, or uba and even abba, its as if you actual stole those words because those words as far as i know are used by hausas. Apart from them i know other northern minorities that use the same.

WOW! Olodumare has now turned to el edumare? LOL Why are you so desperate? Besides, why does it being that prove anything, you do know if you try to find similarities between all languages in the world you will find a few no matter how unrelated yes? Mind you kanuri hausa spanish all have words with el and even al(more suited to semitic languages). And thats just off the top of my head.

I have been humble, i have been begging to at least give me one reputable citation and yet you cant? what more can i do? Please pull me out of my ignorance, i need just one citation!

And stop using the word tribe, yoruba is an ethnicity, just like igbo, fulani, irish, hausa, arab etc are all ethnicities.

I don't know where you got your information from by affirming that Akan's gold art / sculpture is more acknowledged than Yorubas. Indeed you are quite funny with such assertion. Then, on the El which is a prefix to edumare because it is interchangeably use for God while Almighty God is Eledumare. Again, you are the first to claim Abba / Uba / Ba means Father in Hausa's land. This is because the first word for father in all Yoruba dialects even among Oyo Yoruba . If I must agree ,it is Baba that was borrowed by Northern Yoruba, precisely Oyo Yoruba ,who used it and it became accepted . Hausa dont use it nor any group in Africa. Ba/ Uba/ Abba is a daily routine word for father in Yoruba land. Infact , Kaare Ba mi ( welldone my father )is used regularly in Yoruba land. The Hausa,Spanish,etc that you mentioned had elements of Semitic—AfroAsiatic link. But the specific words I have mentioned are not in the contextual languages of your mentioned tribes—Ethnicity.



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Olu317:
I don't know where you got your information from by affirming that Akan's gold art / sculpture is more acknowledged than Yorubas. Indeed you are quite funny with such assertion. Then, on the El which is a prefix to edumare because is used for God but Almighty God is Eledumare. Again, you are the first to claim Abba / Uba / Ba means Father in Hausa's land . If I must agree ,it is Baba that was borrowed by Northern Yoruba ,who used it and it became accepted . Hausa dont use it nor any group in Africa. Ba/ Uba/ Abba is a daily routine word for father in Yoruba land. Infact , Kaare Ba mi ( welldone my father )is used regularly in Yoruba land. The Hausa,Spanish,etc that you mentioned had elements of Semitic—AfroAsiatic link. But the specific words I have mentioned are not in the contextual languages of your mentioned tribes—Ethnicity.



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Lmao! You claimed production was much better and I told you the Akan's had better production and aesthetic quality. Acknowledgement is a different thing, yorubas are in every corner of the earth. Plus their history with slavery ensures non Africans have an obsession with their history as they are tied to each other. Plus the view that Yoruba is one of the most famous truly African cultures. Akans and others unfortunately are not as many or as dispersed or learned as yorubas so don't let that fool you.

Lol! Hausas don't have any other word for father besides those three. And you do know hausa children named after their fathers or grandfather's are called abba, Baba or babaji out of respect yes? A very famous Hausa insult is ubanka (which means your father) or uwarka (your mother). So not only is abba used to refer to fathers it is also a very common first name.

A simple Google search will reveal a hausa actor named "Abba El mustapha" or this hausa movie


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NizLmGM8Fgo

Abba na, which means my father.

This is the first time I'm hearing of yorubas abba and uba. I knew they used Baba but uba and abba? This is the first I'm hearing of it.


Spanish and kanuri are not afro Asiatic languages. You need to stop making ignorant statements. And what do you mean contextual languages?

I will send you an email in less than two minutes. I hope your reply would consist or articles or books that will reinstate your sanity.

But I would have preferred you posted the citations here so everyone involved or interested in this discussion can see and learn from them. Nevertheless I guess I'd be happy to publish whatever I read or any recommendation I get from your emails.

1. Words & meaning in Yoruba religion : linguistic connections in Yoruba, Ancient Egyptian & Semitic. Responsibility: Modupe Oduyoye.
2. The study of Yoruba religious tradition in historical perspective by Jacob K.Olupona

Olu317:
1. Words & meaning in Yoruba religion : linguistic connections in Yoruba, Ancient Egyptian & Semitic. Responsibility: Modupe Oduyoye.
2. The study of Yoruba religious tradition in historical perspective by Jacob K.Olupona

Now we are on the right track but slight problem. These works were written by yorubas so it's very difficult to conclude they are objective. Another problem arises in the sense that I also found these works.


WEST-AFRICAN ORIGIN OF LANGUAGE: THE CASE OF IGBO
Catherine Obianuju Acholonu & Erich Fred Legne

IGBOS OF NIGERIA AND ANCIENT KEMITIANS OF (KEMIT) EGYPT – OGUEJIOFO ANNU

These works aim to link Igbos with ancient Egypt and the middle East.

It seems to me that the most African of all people are the ones who want nothing to do with Africa.

Do you see where I am headed with this? Can you find a more reputable or objective source?

DevdanSanguine:


Lmao! You claimed production was much better and I told you the Akan's had better production and aesthetic quality. Acknowledgement is a different thing, yorubas are in every corner of the earth. Plus their history with slavery ensures non Africans have an obsession with their history as they are tied to each other. Plus the view that Yoruba is one of the most famous truly African cultures. Akans and others unfortunately are not as many or as dispersed or learned as yorubas so don't let that fool you.

Lol! Hausas don't have any other word for father besides those three. And you do know hausa children named after their fathers or grandfather's are called abba, Baba or babaji out of respect yes? A very famous Hausa insult is ubanka (which means your father) or uwarka (your mother). So not only is abba used to refer to fathers it is also a very common first name.

A simple Google search will reveal a hausa actor named "Abba El mustapha" or this hausa movie


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NizLmGM8Fgo

Abba na, which means my father.

This is the first time I'm hearing of yorubas abba and uba. I knew they used Baba but uba and abba? This is the first I'm hearing of it.


Spanish and kanuri are not afro Asiatic languages. You need to stop making ignorant statements. And what do you mean contextual languages?

I will send you an email in less than two minutes. I hope your reply would consist or articles or books that will reinstate your sanity.

But I would have preferred you posted the citations here so everyone involved or interested in this discussion can see and learn from them. Nevertheless I guess I'd be happy to publish whatever I read or any recommendation I get from your emails.

After this i won't quote you again because you don't know and when you are informed, you disagree .Now, you have been informed about the real word Yoruba called father in all Yoruba dialects . Then, I thought you mentioned Hausa, Spanish? And I mentioned Afroasia- Semitic. If you are in need to find out about certain info about Yorubas ,Get the two books above.Lastly, check this also “ Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba - Ankhonline".

Olu317:
After this i won't quote you again because you don't know and when you are informed, you disagree .Now, you have been informed about the real word Yoruba called father in all Yoruba dialects . Then, I thought you mentioned Hausa, Spanish? And I mentioned Afroasia- Semitic. If you are in need to find out about certain info about Yorubas ,Get the two books above.Lastly, check this also “ Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba - Ankhonline".

I would strongly advise against this because you not quoting me would be seen by any spectator as a sign of cowardice or weakness.

You said only yorubas called their fathers by such names and i was only proving to you that it is false.

I mentioned kanuri spanish and hausa but you gave afro asiatic as an excuse when only hausa is an afro asiatic language amongst them, how will it then cover the other two languages that are not?

You keep directing me to books written by yorubas yet i can find books with the same goal written by igbos wolofs i mean you name it, linking their ethnicities with the same theories your books claim unique to yours. How do i know who to believe? Thats why prefer a non biased source. Like you said, yorubas are the most studied african culture so i'm sure you have a reputable study to cite.

If yoruba information is what is needed ,then do justice to what i posted. Definitely your mindset will change and Yoruba aren't Ibos. Yoruba culture and name identified with God and deities are perpetually different from Ibos .Specifically, Africa is a Continent from which all races came out ,so i don't get this unnecessary emotion. In fact there are tribes in Africa that aren't Hamitic in nature. You are talking about a continent with different languages ranging from 1000—2000+.

Olu317:
If yoruba information is what is needed ,then do justice to what i posted. Definitely your mindset will change and Yoruba aren't Ibos. Yoruba culture and name identified with God and deities are perpetually different from Ibos .Specifically, Africa is a Continent from which all races came out ,so i don't get this unnecessary emotion. In fact there are tribes in Africa that aren't Hamitic in nature. You are talking about a continent with different languages ranging from 1000—2000+.

And i'm sure igbos (and others) will provide other reasons as to why they have a better case than yorubas. If races came out from africa then how are you lot trying to claim that you came into africa even when all evidences show otherwise? Why is it so important to you to try to prove that you werent originally african?

DevdanSanguine:



And i'm sure igbos (and others) will provide other reasons as to why they have a better case than yorubas. If races came out from africa then how are you lot trying to claim that you came into africa even when all evidences show otherwise? Why is it so important to you to try to prove that you werent originally african?

I wonder. It is really sad that Africans hate their identity so much..

Imagine Eledumare is now El edumare. When it comes to this madness of linking Yorubas to outside Africa they lose all senses and connect the unrelated

One person once said Ebora is Deborah

macof:



1. Your grandmother was a Muslim was she not? Even if she were not to be... it is a Wide spread claim
Any gullible person who doesn't know how to study history would think because some people say it it will be true. The Mecca claim had existed before your great grandmother was born talkless of your grandmother.

2. The claim itself turns history on it's head. You claim. Lamurudu is Nimrod. There is no evidence that Nimrod ever existed. The Hebrews and Arabs made up legends of a Nimrod from ideas they had about some cities in Mesopotamia. Nimrod was not an actual person and he certainly wasn't king of Mecca

Strange how Lamurudu is a typical Yoruba transliteration of Namrud(arabic) ... Namurudu

How this so called Yoruba ancestor has no orisha status, how this so called father of Oduduwa has no oriki



3. Oduduwa did not come from Mecca, this is known to people who actually care to learn Yoruba history..
Go to Ife... go to any ile-orisa. There is no connection between oduduwa and Mecca
I am well aware of oduduwa's origin and it is not Mecca or anywhere outside yorubaland

4. I am a traditionalist and you are very stupidd to call Yoruba tradition idol worship. It is the foreign religious cancer that is eating Yorubas like you and your grandmother that prevents you lot from taking appropriate steps to learn Yoruba history

Imagine your ignorance calling Yorubas idol worshipers...

Sir Macof. One and only! Unrelenting. Unapologetically Yoruba. Mo juba o!

macof:
It was a thing of stupidity to insult the entire yoruba nation by calling our tradition idol worship.. That is what is repulsive. If people do not step up to challenge this abusive tag, it will go on forever

And there is no knowledge passing from the person you are quoting. There is no non-indigenous african element in Yoruba, this is fact

It is not every senseless post I reply these days, I'm too busy for that

I enjoy Olu317"s posts o! The more Yoruba traditionalists the better. I have to admit, I also wonder about the Sudanese and Arabia connection to Yoruba. Maybe science can refute or confirm them in the near future.

macof:
I wonder. It is really sad that Africans hate their identity so much..

Imagine Eledumare is now El edumare. When it comes to this madness of linking Yorubas to outside Africa they lose all senses and connect the unrelated

One person once said Ebora is Deborah

As a proud African nothing makes me more embarrassed than when other Africans are trying so hard to dissociate themselves from Africa. I see a lot of absurd posts on nairaland but these are the ones that truly rile me up.

But I guess at this point I just have to accept the reality of how fvcked up some Africans are. It's no wonder we can't seem to build a single stable nation. SMH.

isalegan2:


I enjoy Olu317"s posts o! The more Yoruba traditionalists the better. I have to admit, I also wonder about the Sudanese and Arabia connection to Yoruba. Maybe science can refute or confirm them in the near future.

What connection? Lol.

So being a traditionalist means thinking you are from Arabia?

You lot are truly confused. May whichever god you believe in correct the mental damage that has been inflicted on you.

DevdanSanguine:


What connection? Lol.

So being a traditionalist means thinking you are from Arabia?

You lot are truly confused. May whichever god you believe in correct the mental damage that has been inflicted on you.

Your lineage is confused. I can tell from your inability to read and comprehend.

isalegan2:


Your lineage is confused. I can tell from your inability to read and comprehend.

ooh i'm confused?

Read and comprehend what Mr Arab?