MuttleyLaff:


Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces;
anyone on whom it falls will be crushed."
- Matthew 21:44

Anyone who stumbles over you that stone will be broken to pieces,
and it will crush anyone it falls on."
- Matthew 21:44 NLT

And in their hands they shall bear you up,
lest at any time you dash your foot against a stone.
- Luke 4:11

There was no need for that, except that you're giving him too much credit
Be unmindful of Matthew 21:44 at your own peril

All you've written above is hogwash.
No one is denying the natural representation of Orisha. While we know that Osun is a water (h20) on the surface, there is more to it on the spirtual aspect when we dig more.
So you telling us that Egungun is simply man who hides under the veil brings to the point that you know absolutely nothing about ATS.

Simply tell us what ajogun is and their benevolent attribute to existence

Sir, pls take it easy, lets learn from both of you.
No need to be hash.I know FOLYKAZE,
and he is completely right, it is hogwash, plus mostly unashamed copy and paste, lifted word for word, from online content

What I found amusing,
was that, I immediately knew the post, which at the end of, as a frightener, he appended shadeyinka moniker to, was a "copy and paste"
because I recognised the post's content being from a website, I had a long time ago, previously bookmarked due to it being informative.
You know me, living in the Bible, doesnt prevent me travelling and/or go places

i personally take this an offence on my part. accusing me of intellectual dishonesty, ALL MY REFERENCES ARE BACK UP BY ODU ifa WHICH I MADE MENTION . I DO NOT HAVE A MONOPOLY OF IFA., it can be gotten online or wherever... the most important fact is it most be accurate.... Are you intentionally looking for one to attack... i do not do that online battle..

vaxx:
whaoo, i am not promising you a hundred percent perfect answer but i will do my best to give it a trial while i skip the ones yet to be understand for now......

that is my first statement on this thread... what do you mean as a frightener, you are indeed ridiculous. you just feel like undermine me right?

Mujtahida:

Once again if not for the ebo (whether regarded as symbolic or not) I am comfortable with such a spiritual outlook on life. The black man is spiritually sick because an alien spirituality has been foisted on him but many continue along that diseased Road because they want to go to heaven. Very juvenile.

Is there heaven and hell in ATS (Yoruba)?

Fact is my concept of God is pagan but I detest anything fetish.

first my approach on this subject is purely philosophical and scientific . i do not stand on the shoulder of those who hold on to superstition......if ATR must get acceptance, then we must set the difference.... they are lot of superstition that are attached to this religion for so long and people are not willing to unlearn it. and this is the reason it was rejected by many... for example, HUMAN rituals can make you suddenly rich, egungun are directly from heaven.... and so many ridiculous assumption going on..... YORUBA ATR do not have the concept of hell, though Christianity try to manipulate it somehow into the bible and call it orun apadi... but this is not what atr teaches, according to atr the heaven is not in the same light of Christianity or Islam ... The Yoruba word "orun is a part of the dual aspect of the one world which is a union of the physical and spiritual. so when a person dies, they don't go to heaven but their spirit lives on thru you. They literally live in your blood. A part of their spirit eventually finds another genetic relative to reincarnate thru via blood/DNA in their family ..that is why Yoruba has name like yetunde, babatunde and the rest.... Yoruba concept of afterlife rely purely on reincarnation....


if you need an answer that is superstitious and less practical , obviously ,i am not the right person..

Emmanystone:

Sir, do Egbere and Ebora have English replicas? Asin, is there a term you can use to desceibe them so we the none Yoruba speaking can get along?

it is difficult translating some Yoruba terms directly to English, but we can settle on some statement for the sake of translation. WE CAN SETTLE ON INVISIBLE SPIRIT. assuming there is also a similar character of ebora and egbere in English cullture, we will have easily adopt it too..

Emmanystone:

Sir, the satanists will disagree with you on this. To them satan is not bad at all. He blesses them with wealth, protection, Some get children from him (as they claim)

The call him the Humanist. They believe he is closer to them and answers them quickly when they call.

And they are names after him too. Devilin. Satin (female name for satan) Devellina, Devellon, Devellin, Devin, Devlyn,

Ok.. so you're trying to basically make a case that Esu is equivalent to Satan because the Yoruba Bible says so? Hmmmm..... well I honestly don't see what that has to do with anything. Perhaps Satanists feel the same about the devil, but, again, how does this relate? Basically you're just making a comparison that's pretty weak in my opinion. Of course people, no matter what sort of god/supreme being they believe in, they will think exactly what you just said the Satanists do, I mean come on dude. I've done some research on Esu before and Folykaze is right.. he's sort of a mixed guy.. he can bless but he can also curse, he can bring joy but he can also cause havoc. He is not like Satan though, he isn't anti Olodumare as someone said.. in fact he's basically one of the closest adversaries to Olodumare...

Emmanystone:

Am trying to get into your Moniker 'FeelDeMusic'. In a good way, as in to enjoy it or you or to endure it as a result of something bad i did?

Excuse me LOL What do you mean by this? My screenname just means to enjoy the music, to feel it in you, in yo heart and yo soul! hahaha That's all.

FOLYKAZE:


Ifa is a collection of history of the world, orisha and people in the distant past. Orunmila though is the divinity that own Ifa. Just like Ogun own metal.

I personally do not know how the blood sacrifice work. But I believe it would be fascinating to know before disregarding it.

To be honest, I think I have a theory as to how the sacrifices operate. No, I don't really like this aspect of the religion myself if I'm being honest, but I can at least tollerate and accept it as it's not just kill a goat or a chicken and that's that, just to kill. Here's my theory:

Every animal, as Folykaze said, has its own ase (Ah-shay), meaning power/lifeforce/energy, like chi in the Chinese spiritual system. This ase, just as with the ase of anything, can be manipulated or controled. So, for example, one comes to a babalawo and tells them that they are having troubles with their children at home, that their children are not listening to what they have to say to them. The babalawo does a reading for them, and concludes that they are not raising their child propperly. And so they then promise to do such a thing. However, that's not quite how it works. The babalawo says that a chicken must be sacrificed in order for everything to take affect, but this, you see, is because the sacrifice sort of acts as a promissory note that they wil do what's being asked of them.

The ase from their promise to do good will then mix with the ase of the chicken, and as it's being killed, the chicken will then completely fill with that person's ase of promise. At this point, the blood is basically filled with that person's ase, the chicken's ase is completely void and gone.

This is just my theory on why this may be done. Unfortunately not much knowledge has come out as to why ebo of animals has been done, and there should certainly be more knowledge on the subject so then people won't instantly dismiss everything as gross and "fetish".

Mujtahida:

Does this accords with the nonduality of Hindu and Buddhist mystics? As in the unity of all things held in perfect harmony and balance including what we call evil. Is that the concept in ATR?

not really exactly, the concept of yoruba atr operate on a different SHIFT, we believe IN BOTH evil and good must exist and they are in accordance with each other YORUBA ATR believe that everything is good and bad. War is good for the people who win because they get the additional resources needed for survival, but bad for the losers, who end up with nothing. Good and bad are on different sides of the same coin, and one cannot exist without the other. so in holistic view , nothing is good , and nothing is bad except whatever man chooses for himself... AS THE SAYING GOES, ONE MAN FOOD IS ANOTHER MAN POISON ....

FeelDeMusic:

Excuse me LOL What do you mean by this? My screenname just means to enjoy the music, to feel it in you, in yo heart and yo soul! hahaha That's all.

I see.

FOLYKAZE:


A ṣègbé kan o sí. Eni guro ika, aya a je, omo re a je, oun na a wewe sun. One does not plant okra and expect to reap yam. It is more like a cause and effect. Who would judge a wild animal who feast on a little baby when the nature of that animal is to eat anything it can subdue and has flesh?

There is no Hell. Ifa didn't mention anything like that. We have Aboku sooro and no one has ever claimed he went to hell or stuff.

That is what i said nah. There's no evil in the Yoruba cosmology be that nah. Everybody dey do good abi?

FOLYKAZE:


The cult is the place where one can know more about Esu.

To know enough about Esu to attrack his blessing and avert his curse. Oh wait, is Esu an it or he?

MuttleyLaff:
Meaning Esu has a similar evil modus operadi like Satan's
and so was given the place of satan the devil
The necessity for a name, is the mother of that substitution
The Yoruba bible translation had to be completed with a Yoruba name for Satan,

Esu's idiosyncrasy, apparently, fitted the bill like a hand fits in a glove

If that is the case, then Esu is Satan.

vaxx:
first my approach on this subject is purely philosophical and scientific . i do not stand on the shoulder of those who hold on to superstition......if ATR must get acceptance, then we must set the difference.... they are lot of superstition that are attached to this religion for so long and people are not willing to unlearn it. and this is the reason it was rejected by many... for example, HUMAN rituals can make you suddenly rich, egungun are directly from heaven.... and so many ridiculous assumption going on..... YORUBA ATR do not have the concept of hell, though Christianity try to manipulate it somehow into the bible and call it orun apadi... but this is not what atr teaches, according to atr the heaven is not in the same light of Christianity or Islam ... The Yoruba word "orun is a part of the dual aspect of the one world which is a union of the physical and spiritual. so when a person dies, they don't go to heaven but their spirit lives on thru you. They literally live in your blood. A part of their spirit eventually finds another genetic relative to reincarnate thru via blood/DNA in their family ..that is why Yoruba has name like yetunde, babatunde and the rest.... Yoruba concept of afterlife rely purely on reincarnation....


if you need an answer that is superstitious and less practical , obviously ,i am not the right person..

I trust I didn't give you the impression that I'm seeking answers to superstitious questions. I hate anything fetish or superstitious. I'm just saying that from the little explanations you have given in your other post I am fine with ATR it's just that I don't like anything that has to do with sacrifices and blood offerings. Are you saying such things are not part of Yoruba ATR as blood and food offerings and sacrifices?

vaxx:
not really exactly, the concept of yoruba atr operate on a different SHIFT, we believe IN BOTH evil and good must exist and they are in accordance with each other YORUBA ATR believe that everything is good and bad. War is good for the people who win because they get the additional resources needed for survival, but bad for the losers, who end up with nothing. Good and bad are on different sides of the same coin, and one cannot exist without the other. so in holistic view , nothing is good , and nothing is bad except whatever man chooses for himself... AS THE SAYING GOES, ONE MAN FOOD IS ANOTHER MAN POISON ....

Do you understand Hindu and Buddhist nonduality? Cos I don't see any distinction between their world view and what you wrote above
Shakespeare said 'there's nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so'

Mujtahida:

Do you understand Hindu and Buddhist nonduality? Cos I don't see any distinction between their world view and what you wrote above
Shakespeare said 'there's nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so'

my understanding of budism teaching and hinduism religion is very limited, i do not have a grasp of it like Christianity and isalm but not entirely ignorant.... i understand the philosophy of budism and hindu on regard of judgement... they rest on a position called karma, from the hindu perspective, when a man with evil nature dies, he reincarnate back into society in form of lesser human(animals that of kind) while the good man will reincarnate back to the society until he has reach state of enlightenment... that is nivia(not too sure of the right word) where the man will come in form of god to be worshiped....

this is different from Yoruba perspective, who believes reincarnation can only take place only in the family line, reincarnation, meaning you cannot reincarnate unless the person share your DNA, IT MAY BE YOUR COUSIN OR SO. BUT THE PERSON MUST HAVE YOUR PROPER DNA, in order for reincarnation to take place...

well, the ATR SHARE many concept with many faith . for example, there are some verses in odu ifa that sound similar to that of psalm in the bible, i was tempted to say who borrowed from each other... but ifa is way older than Judaism , talk less of Christianity. it was estimated to be around 8 to 6000 years .....

Mujtahida:

I trust I didn't give you the impression that I'm seeking answers to superstitious questions. I hate anything fetish or superstitious. I'm just saying that from the little explanations you have given in your other post I am fine with ATR it's just that I don't like anything that has to do with sacrifices and blood offerings. Are you saying such things are not part of Yoruba ATR as blood and food offerings and sacrifices?

sure, i make that statment first to clarify while i am not giving the usual myth associated with ATR... I belives the purpose of this thread is to share ideas and views, if you want to read about the usual myth, you can easily go online and read yourself... it is available... but i am interested in letting cutemadridista understand the teaching from philosophical point of view and not the usual mystical concept that people are familiar with.... i understand both the mystical and the logical concept, if i do not i will not be able to balance it... check my contribution so far....

Animal blood and food offering are part of YORUBA ATR, but the sacrifice in his actual sense are not what is most important, it is symbolical, a form of ceremonial, just like it is common for christian and Muslim sacrificing chicken and ram respectively during their festive period. when the animal is slaughtered, people gather and eat as way of saying thank you for the animal for sacrificing its life so that people can eat. but people are quick to blackmail us due to less understanding of how ATR WORKS, Some even get confused by this and think the sacrifice blood is the actual carrier of asé(authority) as some are trying to claim on this thread because the concept is so emphasized in the rituals. Animal blood does NOT carry any magical asé to solve problems. It is SYMBOLIC of the essence of one's own blood, which fuels the body. for example we die when too much blood is loose . The proper circulation of blood thru our body is the one that gives the energy to accomplish our goals. Thus, blood is symbolic of asé itself, the power to do. However, this is referring to blood that is living within us , not to the dead blood of a sacrificed animal, which is only symbolic of our blood.

Emmanystone:

To know enough about Esu to attrack his blessing and avert his curse. Oh wait, is Esu an it or he?

After knowing about Esu, the decision of how it to their life is theirs.

More like Urea, people spend money to know how to use it for their own desire. It is either to make a nuclear weapon or fuel a nuclear reactor. That decision is theirs to take.

Emmanystone:

That is what i said nah. There's no evil in the Yoruba cosmology be that nah. Everybody dey do good abi?

No one said there is no evil. What I did said is that the concept of sin, divine law that guides moral and end time judgment is not present in Yoruba spirituality.

FeelDeMusic:

To be honest, I think I have a theory as to how the sacrifices operate. No, I don't really like this aspect of the religion myself if I'm being honest, but I can at least tollerate and accept it as it's not just kill a goat or a chicken and that's that, just to kill. Here's my theory:

Every animal, as Folykaze said, has its own ase (Ah-shay), meaning power/lifeforce/energy, like chi in the Chinese spiritual system. This ase, just as with the ase of anything, can be manipulated or controled. So, for example, one comes to a babalawo and tells them that they are having troubles with their children at home, that their children are not listening to what they have to say to them. The babalawo does a reading for them, and concludes that they are not raising their child propperly. And so they then promise to do such a thing. However, that's not quite how it works. The babalawo says that a chicken must be sacrificed in order for everything to take affect, but this, you see, is because the sacrifice sort of acts as a promissory note that they wil do what's being asked of them.

The ase from their promise to do good will then mix with the ase of the chicken, and as it's being killed, the chicken will then completely fill with that person's ase of promise. At this point, the blood is basically filled with that person's ase, the chicken's ase is completely void and gone.

This is just my theory on why this may be done. Unfortunately not much knowledge has come out as to why ebo of animals has been done, and there should certainly be more knowledge on the subject so then people won't instantly dismiss everything as gross and "fetish".

A quick question please. What is the role of FRUITS that are usually sacrificed to Egbe Emere to prevent a woman from bearing Abiku?

FOLYKAZE:


A quick question please. What is the role of FRUITS that are usually sacrificed to Egbe Emere to prevent a woman from bearing Abiku?

Hmmmm... now that I'm unsure of.. I've never really heard of Abiku before really, I know that it's some kind of reincarnation of a child that dies at a young age and keeps coming back? Like ogbange or something?

Fruits may mean sort of the same thing as I said earlier, but perhaps since a fruit is sort of like the offspring of a tree, maybe the woman gives fruits to the egbe as a sort of substitute offspring... it's hard to explain... sorry!

vaxx:
my understanding of budism teaching and hinduism religion is very limited, i do not have a grasp of it like Christianity and isalm but not entirely ignorant.... i understand the philosophy of budism and hindu on regard of judgement... they rest on a position called karma, from the hindu perspective, when a man with evil nature dies, he reincarnate back into society in form of lesser human(animals that of kind) while the good man will reincarnate back to the society until he has reach state of enlightenment... that is nivia(not too sure of the right word) where the man will come in form of god to be worshiped....

this is different from Yoruba perspective, who believes reincarnation can only take place only in the family line, reincarnation, meaning you cannot reincarnate unless the person share your DNA, IT MAY BE YOUR COUSIN OR SO. BUT THE PERSON MUST HAVE YOUR PROPER DNA, in order for reincarnation to take place...

well, the ATR SHARE many concept with many faith . for example, there are some verses in odu ifa that sound similar to that of psalm in the bible, i was tempted to say who borrowed from each other... but ifa is way older than Judaism , talk less of Christianity. it was estimated to be around 8 to 6000 years .....

Karma at a deeper level means that you are in charge of your life not necessarily the concept of seed time and harvest that it has become associated with. It means you are free, free to be according to your choices. Thus with such a view of life the dignity of Man as a free agent is reaffirmed. Other religions say man is a slave to sin. Lies!

Mujtahida:

Karma at a deeper level means that you are in charge of your life not necessarily the concept of seed time and harvest that it has become associated with. It means you are free, free to be according to your choices. Thus with such a view of life the dignity of Man as a free agent is reaffirmed. Other religions say man is a slave to sin. Lies!

that sound similar to ESU in yoruba ATR which is the decision/ indecision of a man... i think concept of sins in other faith is to control human nature for the interest of weak/ powerful people.... for example, human are naturally selfish, selfish is a sin, human naturally want to survive by all means, so robbing, killing and all sort of vices become a necessity in human.... and all this are label as sins. the logical concept of it is to put fear in the minds of the people so that the weak/powerful member of society can live peacefully. personally i welcome the approach.... in actual sense it make our society more civil. if not we will be living like monkey in the jungle farm....

such of this also exist in YORUBA atr, we have what we called taboo(ewo) what is consider an abomination, like a pregnant woman must not walk in the sun, the logic behind it , is to assure the women is not subjected to heat which will rise her blood temperature and cause medical damage to herself and her fetus ....

FOLYKAZE:


No one said there is no evil. What I did said is that the concept of sin, divine law that guides moral and end time judgment is not present in Yoruba spirituality.

Bros, nah the same thing me and you dey talk so o. The divine law which guides morals and the law of retributive justices is not in Yoruba Cosmology.

So everyone has the leeway to do as they please nah since no accountability. Our leaders must be believers in this, hence; their blatant-devil-may-care towards their activities. If they know they'll held acxountable for how they lived on earth, maybe our country would be a bit better.

Ogboni has it base in the Yoruba cosmology i guess? And, Ogboni has become a household name in Nigeria. Almost everyone outside the True Christians are into Ogboni. Now i'm getting it.

Why then do people blame Christianity for the state of the Nation, when our leaders are hardly even Church goers?

FOLYKAZE:


After knowing about Esu, the decision of how it to their life is theirs.

More like Urea, people spend money to know how to use it for their own desire. It is either to make a nuclear weapon or fuel a nuclear reactor. That decision is theirs to take.

Do Nigerians/Esu believers make Nuclear weapons? Really?

vaxx:
that sound similar to ESU in yoruba ATR which is the decision/ indecision of a man... i think concept of sins in other faith is to control human nature for the interest of weak/ powerful people.... for example, human are naturally selfish, selfish is a sin, human naturally want to survive by all means, so robbing, killing and all sort of vices become a necessity in human.... and all this are label as sins. the logical concept of it is to put fear in the minds of the people so that the weak/powerful member of society can live peacefully. personally i welcome the approach.... in actual sense it make our society more civil. if not we will be living like monkey in the jungle farm....

such of this also exist in YORUBA atr, we have what we called taboo(ewo) what is consider an abomination, like a pregnant woman must not walk in the sun, the logic behind it , is to assure the women is not subjected to heat which will rise her blood temperature and cause medical damage to herself and her fetus ....

Sin to me is the hurt you do to me and I do to you as in the hurts, grievances, disappointments, harm, pain, injury that human beings cause to themselves and nature. I do not regard sin as flouting the commands of God. Noooo.

Folykaze, are you Yoruba?

FeelDeMusic:

Hmmmm... now that I'm unsure of.. I've never really heard of Abiku before really, I know that it's some kind of reincarnation of a child that dies at a young age and keeps coming back? Like ogbange or something?

Fruits may mean sort of the same thing as I said earlier, but perhaps since a fruit is sort of like the offspring of a tree, maybe the woman gives fruits to the egbe as a sort of substitute offspring... it's hard to explain... sorry!

You try sha. I don't know either why Fruits are been sacrificed to Emere. You're very about Abiku.

FOLYKAZE:


You try sha. I don't know either why Fruits are been sacrificed to Emere. You're very about Abiku.

LOL! Yeah, I tried hahahaha

Maybe there's a deeper meaning? Hmmmmmmmm, maybe I'll have to incorperate that into my story! Ooooooh, this is going to be fun!

Emmanystone:

Bros, nah the same thing me and you dey talk so o. The divine law which guides morals and the law of retributive justices is not in Yoruba Cosmology.

So everyone has the leeway to do as they please nah since no accountability. Our leaders must be believers in this, hence; their blatant-devil-may-care towards their activities. If they know they'll held acxountable for how they lived on earth, maybe our country would be a bit better.

Ogboni has it base in the Yoruba cosmology i guess? And, Ogboni has become a household name in Nigeria. Almost everyone outside the True Christians are into Ogboni. Now i'm getting it.

Why then do people blame Christianity for the state of the Nation, when our leaders are hardly even Church goers?

There is a law and legal lay down among the people in the society of Men.

Reformed Ogboni Frat was founded by an Anglican Reverend. Maybe to you he is not a true Christian. ROF is called Ogboni Onigbagbọ. This shows that it is purposely for Christianity.

Our leaders are been sworn into Office with Bible and Quran. We saw that they have even turned Alter in Churches to Political campaign ground. And they publicly align with Christian or Islamic faith by going to church regularly, paying tithe from stolen fund and almost metamorphosing CAN and MURIC into political party. With the churches here and there, has social vices reduced? Nope.

The Yoruba peple are been called Ọmọlúwàbí for a reason. The fact that we do not have guidance law written in some paper does not negate the truth that iwa rere is very important. A love or good character that eroded from fear of hell or damnation is not geneuine. True love and good character is when you act willingly, without coercion, to make the world a better place. Ìwà-pẹ̀lẹ́ lo jẹ omo Odùduwà lógún.

Please do not let me attack Christianity. Lets keep the discussion clean

Emmanystone:

Do Nigerians/Esu believers make Nuclear weapons? Really?

Firstly, Abọ̀rìṣà are not Believers or have Faith. That is for the feeble mind. We rather seek Enlightenment and broaden knowledge. Maybe you should find out difference between believe and knowledge.

Secondly, where did you come about the question you have up there? Definitely not from me.

FeelDeMusic:
are you Yoruba?

Yes

FeelDeMusic:

To be honest, I think I have a theory as to how the sacrifices operate. No, I don't really like this aspect of the religion myself if I'm being honest, but I can at least tollerate and accept it as it's not just kill a goat or a chicken and that's that, just to kill. Here's my theory:

Every animal, as Folykaze said, has its own ase (Ah-shay), meaning power/lifeforce/energy, like chi in the Chinese spiritual system. This ase, just as with the ase of anything, can be manipulated or controled. So, for example, one comes to a babalawo and tells them that they are having troubles with their children at home, that their children are not listening to what they have to say to them. The babalawo does a reading for them, and concludes that they are not raising their child propperly. And so they then promise to do such a thing. However, that's not quite how it works. The babalawo says that a chicken must be sacrificed in order for everything to take affect, but this, you see, is because the sacrifice sort of acts as a promissory note that they wil do what's being asked of them.

The ase from their promise to do good will then mix with the ase of the chicken, and as it's being killed, the chicken will then completely fill with that person's ase of promise. At this point, the blood is basically filled with that person's ase, the chicken's ase is completely void and gone.

This is just my theory on why this may be done. Unfortunately not much knowledge has come out as to why ebo of animals has been done, and there should certainly be more knowledge on the subject so then people won't instantly dismiss everything as gross and "fetish".

A blood sacrifice is a symbolic representation of a seal on a bond between the spirit and the one making the sacrifice.

Just like the life of whatever is sacrificed cannot come back, the bond should remain. Its more akin to the red wax seal used on important documents.

The only problem with such blood bonds is that one doesn't get to know the full extent of the conditions of the blood bond.

A higher sacrifice and some other conditions may be able to replace a lower sacrifice.

FeelDeMusic:

Hmmmm... now that I'm unsure of.. I've never really heard of Abiku before really, I know that it's some kind of reincarnation of a child that dies at a young age and keeps coming back? Like ogbange or something?

Fruits may mean sort of the same thing as I said earlier, but perhaps since a fruit is sort of like the offspring of a tree, maybe the woman gives fruits to the egbe as a sort of substitute offspring... it's hard to explain... sorry!

Every god/demon/orisa is appeased by what they like to eat.

Ogun for instance like dog meat: so the main sacrificial animal is dog. I am not aware if Ogun takes any other animals.

Abiku/Egbe Emere on the other hand are perpetually children in the spirit realm. Children love sweet things hence no wonder they choose fruits as one of the appeasement items