Emmanystone:



Who were their ancestors and from when did they become a Nation?

Their ancestors were the Canaanites themselves. They were Canaanites. That is why the names are the same or very similar.

Emmanystone:

And, who were these Jews to be so powerful to overthrow the Canaanites, the Amalekites, the Hittites, the Jebusites, the Gitites, the Amorites. the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, tbe Perrizites, the Raphims, Girgashites, and the almighty Jericho?

The Hebrews were the Canaanites. Thge Philistines came into Canaan as foreigners. The other tribes were the neighbours.

Emmanystone:

At the same time the Jews conquered Canaan or another time?

This question does not make sense. Are you asking me if the Hebrews conquered Canaan at the same time that the Hebrews conquered Canaan?

Please explain it so that someone like me who hasn't smoked crack can understand.

Emmanystone:

This is all you can say? Are you sure you read what i posted? Lol.

Yes I did. And I even directly quoted what you said.

You said the Jews ought to understand their religion better than you or I.

Okay. The Jews say that Jesus is not the Messiah. Which would you rather follow. Their superior knowledge according to you, or Your own ignorance.

OkCornel:

I'll be expecting the usual excuses of anyone who wants to live in denial such as;

(a) Anyone can make a video
(b) It's a waste of precious time
(c) It's a conspiracy theory....

I'm not even going to bother! Its all 3! Do you know how difficult it is to get Dna from 2000 year old bones alone, not to talk of off clothe?

PastorAIO:


Yes I did. And I even directly quoted what you said.

You said the Jews ought to understand their religion better than you or I.

Okay. The Jews say that Jesus is not the Messiah. Which would you rather follow. Their superior knowledge according to you, or Your own ignorance.

Okay, now i know you didn't read what i posted. You know what? Believe whatever you like.

sonmvayina:


I think we are almost understanding ourselves, the first time the torah was ever presented was just after the exile from babylon, that is when Judaism started taking shape, the jews prior to that time worshipped the baals and asherahs,of the surrounding cities that they lived amongst..
This annoyed the Lord God that was why king cyrus asked Ezra to write it. As the God of cyrus was also Marduk. At least history says so..
Ezra got most of the information he used in writing the torah from babylon...

But before that time the epic of Gilgamesh, the enuma elish where already in existence..it is all about the anunaki gods...The baals and asherahs where the sons and daughters of Enlil...( moloch is ninurta, Nergal is the devil, inanna is lucifer and the Queen of heaven etc.) this always made marduk angry and usually punishes them by making their enemies over run them......

Funnily amusing. God was angry but left Ezra to make up the Torah without providing the information required so Ezra had to plagiarise Babylon!?

You sure it wasn't Cyrus who was angry, or Ezra himself for that matter?

budaatum:

Funnily amusing. God was angry but left Ezra to make up the Torah without providing the information required so Ezra had to plagiarise Babylon!?

You sure it wasn't Cyrus who was angry, or Ezra himself for that matter?

I am only putting it into historical and contextual perspective . Nothing more...

budaatum:

Funnily amusing. God was angry but left Ezra to make up the Torah without providing the information required so Ezra had to plagiarise Babylon!?

You sure it wasn't Cyrus who was angry, or Ezra himself for that matter?

I think when she says 'God' she means Marduk. Who Cyrus is supposedly a follower of.

Emmanystone:

Okay, now i know you didn't read what i posted. You know what? Believe whatever you like.

Emmanystone:

If Moses didn't write the Torah, i hope you know that you and i will not come close to know it? The Jews will be in that position to know. They wont hold Moses with the kind of reverence they do.

No Nation in the Hisyory of men keeps records by mouth to mouth preservation like the Jews. Their God told them to tell their children and have their Children tell their own Children about their origin, till His promises for them are fulfilled.

If you believe that Jews must know more about that torah than you and I, then you must agree that they will also know who their messiah is more than you and I.

If you want me to repeat this till you understand just say so. I don't mind.

sonmvayina:


I am only putting it into historical and contextual perspective . Nothing more...

I know. And I like what you wrote. And you don't have to justify yourself to me please. And thank you very much. You benefitted me. One sees the potty mouths. They make you golden.

PastorAIO:


I think when she says 'God' she means Marduk. Who Cyrus is supposedly a follower of.

Yeah, I'm aware. But you know how people hide their own actions behind deities. Moses wants people to follow rules so he claims they come from a god up a mountain; some people want to steal other peoples' land so they claim their god said they could have it; I want to dip filthy hands into you pocket because my god said I should, and it's for your benefit!

Methinks o getting me a gods! I beginning to understand why fools don't have any!

PastorAIO:


If you believe that Jews must know more about that torah than you and I, then you must agree that they will also know who their messiah is more than you and I.

If you want me to repeat this till you understand just say so. I don't mind.

The bolded would have been the case if the Lord didn't do this [Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.]
Romans:11:10
To them on purpose so that we the Gentiles may be grafted into the covenant of Abraham.
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Romans:11:12

The Jews' rejection of their measiah was prophesied long before the Messiah came, and their rejection paved way for us the Gentiles to be included and be reconciled to God.

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Colossians:1:21

This here shall be their reward: And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans:11:26

They are the chosen people of YHWH, you can't know more than them.

PastorAIO:


The Hebrews were the Canaanites. Thge Philistines came into Canaan as foreigners. The other tribes were the neighbours.

Hahahahahahahaha. Pls what are you talking about? The Jews were the Canaanites? You are jumping here and there. Before you said, the Jews took over the land of Canaan by expelling the land owners, now they were the Canaanites?

Emmanystone:

Hahahahahahahaha. Pls what are you talking about? The Jews were the Canaanites? You are jumping here and there. Before you said, the Jews took over the land of Canaan by expelling the land owners, now they were the Canaanites?

Where did I say that the jews took over Canaan by expelling the land owners? Please quote the post for me.


And while you are doing that could you also answer this earlier similar request?

PastorAIO:


Show me where I came to the conclusion it was fiction.

Emmanystone:

The bolded would have been the case if the Lord didn't do this [Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.]


They are the chosen people of YHWH, you can't know more than them.

So do they know or don't they know.

PastorAIO:


Where did I say that the jews took over Canaan by expelling the land owners? Please quote the post for me.


And while you are doing that could you also answer this earlier similar request?

What Fiction?

budaatum:

Yeah, I'm aware. But you know how people hide their own actions behind deities. Moses wants people to follow rules so he claims they come from a god up a mountain; some people want to steal other peoples' land so they claim their god said they could have it; I want to dip filthy hands into you pocket because my god said I should, and it's for your benefit!

Methinks o getting me a gods! I beginning to understand why fools don't have any!

These gods are indeed very useful

Emmanystone:

What Fiction?

Na you talk am. go back to the post and you will see where I was answering you.

PastorAIO:


So do they know or don't they know.

Do they know what?

PastorAIO:


Na you talk am. go back to the post and you will see where I was answering you.

Lol. You can't help yourself can you?

Here you are talking about fiction with someone else entirely, now you want to pass it on to me.

PastorAIO:

Your confusion lies where you cannot tell the difference between fiction and history. Someone calls a book fiction and you say the person is confused because there are ccharacters in the fiction book that according to the fiction lived before the writer of the book.

This response was made to JMAN05, not me.

You called the Bible Fiction, now you are attempting to turn over.

Hahahahahahahahahaha. I wonder why someone will spend every minute of his life in a forum talking about a fictitious book with Fictitious characters.

Okay, seriously now. I need to know this from you. If my God is fictitious, He doesn't exists, do you have an alternative for me?

What do you have to offer me if i leave Jesus to follow?

The effort with which you put in trying to dissuade me is intense, now, i want to consider following your views.

I will waive my beliefs in YHWH if you can give me 5 realistic benefits i stand to enjoy if i recant my faith in Jesus.

Now, enough of senseless talk, begin rolling them out.

What do you enjoy as a non believer in Jesus which you are offering me?

sonmvayina:


The jews wrote it for their religion, Judaism...

The Jews view the account as real even as at Jesus day. Read up Acts 7:1-50.

Or when Ezra wrote about Moses at 1chron 15:15; 21:29, he was reffering to a fictional story?

budaatum:

Funnily amusing. God was angry but left Ezra to make up the Torah without providing the information required so Ezra had to plagiarise Babylon!?

You sure it wasn't Cyrus who was angry, or Ezra himself for that matter?

You are not making any sense.

PastorAIO:


I think when she says 'God' she means Marduk. Who Cyrus is supposedly a follower of.

If Marduk is YHWH shouldn't the Babylonians be worshipping him the same way the Jews and Christians worship YHWH?

Lolzz, talking without reasoning.


I want to cross over to your camp, what is there for me?

Emmanystone:

You are not making any sense.

As in, "there is a twig in buda's eye", right!?

No, Emmanystone, I do not make sense, to you. I understand.

Emmanystone:

If Marduk is YHWH shouldn't the Babylonians be worshipping him the same way the Jews and Christians worship YHWH?

Lolzz, talking without reasoning.


I want to cross over to your camp, what is there for me?

I have no idea. You should ask the person making the claims.

You see, it is possible to understand what someone is saying without necessarily agreeing with them.

But you wouldn't know that because you can't even understand what someone's saying in the first place, talk less of agreeing or not.

Emmanystone:

Do they know what?

Wow, still wallowing in ignorance

JMAN05:


The Jews view the account as real even as at Jesus day. Read up Acts 7:1-50.

Or when Ezra wrote about Moses at 1chron 15:15; 21:29, he was reffering to a fictional story?

You are using a Roman propaganda to disprove a religious text...the new testament has got nothing to do with jews, it was the Romans who fabricated it and added it to the Tanakh of the jews to make it look like 1 religion when it is not..it is like using the Koran to disprove IFA religion...
I don't know if you understand my point. They are different religious ideas.

The Jesus story is a Roman story, they just gave it a jewish setting, the jews don't have the idea of God having children with himans,it is a Roman /greek idea..

The Tanakh was written for Judaism..in it, God is not a man or human being, Numbers23 :19, and worshipping the image of anything on heaven, on earth or under the waters bellow the earth is prohibited (2nd commandments) a man is something found on earth....so christianity is idolatry according to Judaism...

Emmanystone:

If Marduk is YHWH shouldn't the Babylonians be worshipping him the same way the Jews and Christians worship YHWH?

Lolzz, talking without reasoning.


I want to cross over to your camp, what is there for me?

Marduk was the God of the babylonian, he was known as the lugal dimmer ankia, which means the divine king of heaven and earth. There are several gods too, often referred to as the children of God...these God's also have their cults too..these was what is obtainable round the world..there is no such thing as monotheism..
The jews are the cannanites that choose to worship marduk.

The only recognise the creator of all as the main God..
The Christians came much later, it came about as a product of the council of Nicea, Constantine ordered it for his empire, the delegates merged deities together hesus from the west and khrisna from the east to get hesus khrisna..
The gospel stories themselves comes from ancient tales about marduk, only that marduk did not die, as there was no need to.....truth remains truth, only lies have multiple versions.

sonmvayina:


Marduk was the God of the babylonian, he was known as the lugal dimmer ankia, which means the divine king of heaven and earth. There are several gods too, often referred to as the children of God...these God's also have their cults too..these was what is obtainable round the world..there is no such thing as monotheism..
The jews are the cannanites that choose to worship marduk.

The only recognise the creator of all as the main God..
The Christians came much later, it came about as a product of the council of Nicea, Constantine ordered it for his empire, the delegates merged deities together hesus from the west and khrisna from the east to get hesus khrisna..
The gospel stories themselves comes from ancient tales about marduk, only that marduk did not die, as there was no need to.....truth remains truth, only lies have multiple versions.

Gerarahia

PastorAIO:


I have no idea. You should ask the person making the claims.

You see, it is possible to understand what someone is saying without necessarily agreeing with them.

But you wouldn't know that because you can't even understand what someone's saying in the first place, talk less of agreeing or not.

Thanks for that. Now pls present me with the benefits i'll get from abandoning Jesus. Both short term and long term.

budaatum:

As in, "there is a twig in buda's eye", right!?

No, Emmanystone, I do not make sense, to you. I understand.

No, you don't make sense even to yourself.