The lady up there is fire and brimstone.

Give it up sir. She got you thoroughly schooled

SirVintageCock:
The lady up there is fire and brimstone.

Give it up sir. She got you thoroughly schooled

Calm down and receive knowledge my friend.

First degree holder in MBBS(Dr.) is like B.sc equvalent....

consultant(M.D) is like Ph.D equivalent.

you can put registrars in place of masters holders.

There is no Salary scale that recognizes professor of medicine. The highest is a chief medical director which is a M.D(consultant). The title Professor is given nowhere other than university environment.To be a professor you must go back to the university environment and teach as a lecturer and make researches. You must obtain the Academic title of doctor(ph.D) and not just the professional equivalent(M.D). Then after years of academic researches n publishing in medical journals u become a prof. You will be paid just like any other prof in any dept. The only gain is that u r already a consultant so you will have double pay both as a consultant and professor. E.g if govt pays consultant 700k and profs in other depts, 500k. A medical doc that is a consultant and a prof also will receive 700k+500k=1.2mil.
That is how medicine works. But before u become a prof in medicine ur brain is calloused!

TempoJames:


Calm down and receive knowledge my friend.

First degree holder in MBBS(Dr.) is like B.sc equvalent....

consultant(M.D) is like Ph.D equivalent.

you can put registrars in place of masters holders.

There is no Salary scale that recognizes professor of medicine. The highest is a chief medical director which is a M.D(consultant). The title Professor is given nowhere other than university environment.To be a professor you must go back to the university environment and teach as a lecturer and make researches. You must obtain the Academic title of doctor(ph.D) and not just the professional equivalent(M.D). Then after years of academic researches n publishing in medical journals u become a prof. You will be paid just like any other prof in any dept. The only gain is that u r already a consultant so you will have double pay both as a consultant and professor. E.g if govt pays consultant 700k and profs in other depts, 500k. A medical doc that is a consultant and a prof also will receive 700k+500k=1.2mil.
That is how medicine works. But before u become a prof in medicine ur brain is calloused!

I am not interested in your arguments, and points. I just like the lady's consistencies in marshalling out hers. No deviation from her original point of argument while you bring out points after points without capping even one.

TempoJames:



Stop revealing your ignorance!

The chief director of NHS in London is a medical doctor!


If you have any other superior arguement bring it up let me put you in place

You are mistaken There is nothing like chief director of NHS in London

but chief executiive of NHS England who is not a doctor.

The Medical Director is a member of the Board UNDER the CEO

tardell007:
Hmmm..wannabes,even dental surgeons?

I never mentioned Dental Surgeons plss. My mentor is a Dental Surgeon and I owe a lot to his mentorship. Dentist are all shades noble and have every right and privilege of a Medical doctor. All the others are empty gongs. Dentists will never join the amorpous and illegal congregation called Johesu.

aribisala0:


You are mistaken There is nothing like chief director of NHS in London

but chief executiive of NHS England who is not a doctor.

The Medical Director is a member of the Board UNDER the CEO

So u agree despite ur ignorance that the Medical Director is a Medical Doctor? Now NHS has a CEO and a National Medical Director. Note no Lab scientist or pharmacist in the board, in fact no place for that. But there's no Johesu strike because of that. Only CNO.

In fact the only clinically relevant professionals in the Hospitals are Doctors and Nurses. But it shameful when Scientist who are ancilliary staffs starts making noise.

JoannaSedley:
Oh yeah Florence Nightingale is one hell of a doctor. You see why your argument lack premises. Massive ignorance on one person .smh

abeg, help me to ask oooo. Cos I don't know when the precious lady in lamp and a life saver has turned to become a Doc.....I was about asking when I saw this.
Thank you

AlphaT1:

Who is this little one seeking attention here?

i won't bicker with you, it is as degrading as jumping from your massive ego to your mentally retarded IQ

aribisala0:


You are mistaken There is nothing like chief director of NHS in London

but chief executiive of NHS England who is not a doctor.

The Medical Director is a member of the Board UNDER the CEO

Ignoramus!

professor of renal medicine = a doctor who is a nephrologist and also an academic professor in that field.

Even Britain we got our medicine from respect that heirachy yet some idiots calling themselves Johesu that team up to fight medical doctors go around decieving the.public.

funmisticqueen:
i won't bicker with you, it is as degrading as jumping from your massive ego to your mentally retarded IQ

That's what you are looking for; attention. A shameless LovePeddler coming here to insult me. Go find where to open your smelling pussy that has become public toilet for agbero to Bleep. Drooling slowpoke! I am not your mate, go find your ashawo mate to Bleep.

TempoJames:




Ignoramus!

You are an idiot .

The Medical Director works under the Chief Executive he is not caalled chief director

This is the board

https://www.england.nhs.uk/about/board/members/#exec

aribisala0:
You are an idiot .

The Medical Director works under the Chief Executive he is not caalled chief director

This is the board

https://www.england.nhs.uk/about/board/members/#exec

You are a big fool and so dump! The CEO is an accountant who serve administrative purposes. The National medical director is a medical doctor.
I wonder if English language is your problem.
National medical director is equivalent to what we call chief medical director over here. I wonder where you got that gene pf stupidity from...

TempoJames:


You are a big fool and so dump! The CEO is an accountant who serve administrative purposes. The National medical director is a medical doctor.
I wonder if English language is your problem.
National medical director is equivalent to what we call chief medical director over here. I wonder where you got that gene pf stupidity from...

"dump"


Accountant?


I see where you come from

Grandstanding on emptiness

No it is NOT equivalent to CMD

NHS England is not a hospital but a strategic organization similar to our Health Management Board but at a national level with a spend of oer £100 billion
The Chief Executive is the Boss. The Medical Director is one of the Board Members, another Board member is a nurse who is also a professor

TempoJames:
M.D = Doctor of medicine= equivalent of ph.D= consultant in the specialty.

Kindly get your facts right. MD is never the equivalent to PhD... Educate the public correctly

fitzfrankses7:

Kindly get your facts right. MD is never the equivalent to PhD... Educate the public correctly

I don't expect someone who knows nothing aboit medical field to hold objective arguement. Ignoramus! You never knew residency towards being sn M.D is a post-graduate program.
Go and sleep you have no arguement to tender.

aribisala0:


"dump"


Accountant?


I see where you come from

Grandstanding on emptiness

No it is NOT equivalent to CMD

NHS England is not a hospital but a strategic organization similar to our Health Management Board but at a national level with a spend of oer £100 billion
The Chief Executive is the Boss. The Medical Director is one of the Board Members, another Board member is a nurse who is also a professor

hahahaha. Talks like a real novice. Then a doc has been in that position for 12 years? Go and check the meaning of National Medical Director. I think English Language is the issue

fitzfrankses7:

Kindly get your facts right. MD is never the equivalent to PhD... Educate the public correctly

Depemds on the University /Country. In the UK it is either equivalent to a PhD or even higher tha PhD i,e Dsc level as in Oxford and Cambridge

TempoJames:
The chief medical director in Princess grace hospital, London where Buhari travels to has a Dr.sina dorudi, a professor of surgery as chief medical director.
Why should it be different in Nigeria?

From the details you presented,Prof Dorudi is Medical Director while Miranda is interim CEO(it didn't note if she's a doctor though). There's difference between Chief Medical Director and Medical director. There's also a difference between CEO and Medical Director (CEO is more powerful than a Medical Director). Please carefully present facts so you don't make us look bad. Thanks

TempoJames:


I don't expect someone who knows nothing aboit medical field to hold objective arguement. Ignoramus! You never knew residency towards being sn M.D is a post-graduate program.
Go and sleep you have no arguement to tender.

For the purpose of us having a well meaning conversation without petty name callings, I'll respect the esteemed Medical profession we both belong to and the oath we swore, to set the ground rules for our intellectual discourse-without which I'll totally ignore your rants
So then, an introduction will be in order...I expect you to do the same.
This is me in brief
-I took the oath some 13 years ago(I'll love to know yours)
-Already a FWACS(Are you?)
-Serial entrepreneur
-Sucker for factual and intellectual reasoning(You'll have to prove otherwise that you are)
-Uneconomical with the truth regardless whose Ox is gored
-No, I don't do petty name callings and expletives(can't say the same about you though)
That said, kindly introduce yourself (seeing you recently registered on Nairaland a few days ago) so we can share knowledge and compare notes. Regards

TempoJames:
The chief medical director in Princess grace hospital, London where Buhari travels to has a Dr.sina dorudi, a professor of surgery as chief medical director.
Why should it be different in Nigeria?

Just like every other director the hospital might have, he's the medical director not the chief/CEO of the hospital. Why not check the CEO and tell us what degree he/she has.
In a Nigeria set up the CMD equals the CEO of the hospital. The title director (medical officer, nursing officer, laboratory services) are administrative positions not managerial/boss like it is we have in Nigeria.
CEO of the hospital is Mrs Charlotte Tempest who my brother is not a medical doctor (Google is your friend).

TempoJames:




Ignoramus!

Same way there's a national medical director is same way they have a national laboratory/nursing/pharmaceutical director as you have been shown previously.

JoannaSedley:
When you juxtapose the salary, did you bother to factor in that the average salaries you are quoting for doctors are for the specialist/ consultant doctors.
You are comparing it with salaries of a newly graduated nurses, pharmacist, medlab and physiotherapist etc. Why not compare the salaries with a newly graduate doctor in those countries or are you just being mischivieous.

The first is intern nurses salary two years ago while the second is a recent resident doctors average pay in New York. The two year exponential growth pay for the RN is not factored in. Mind you this is coming from the same source.

Don't mind the guy
Here's what a medical laboratory scientist earns too
He should do the comparison

TempoJames:
chief medical director of Princess Grace hospital, London

There's no chief medical director in the UK
Every profession gets a director which is not alien to others.
CMD = CEO and he's not
The CEO of the hospital is one Mrs Charlotte Tempest

MrBigiman:


So u agree despite ur ignorance that the Medical Director is a Medical Doctor? Now NHS has a CEO and a National Medical Director. Note no Lab scientist or pharmacist in the board, in fact no place for that. But there's no Johesu strike because of that. Only CNO.

In fact the only clinically relevant professionals in the Hospitals are Doctors and Nurses. But it shameful when Scientist who are ancilliary staffs starts making noise.

The last time I checked medical scientists are neither cleaners nor cooks incase you don't know what an ancillary staff is.

It's quite unfortunate they have no clinical relevance or neither are they clinically relevant staff but the most clinical relevant staff depends on their results to make 70% clinical decisions. That shows how irrelevant these people are.

MrBigiman:


So u agree despite ur ignorance that the Medical Director is a Medical Doctor? Now NHS has a CEO and a National Medical Director. Note no Lab scientist or pharmacist in the board, in fact no place for that. But there's no Johesu strike because of that. Only CNO.

In fact the only clinically relevant professionals in the Hospitals are Doctors and Nurses. But it shameful when Scientist who are ancilliary staffs starts making noise.

You are indeed totally unintelligent.

You have no idea of the background and you think you can just go on the internet and fish out stuff you do not underrstand

First I educated you that the CEO is the boss despiite you foolish claim that he is an accountant and only performs "administration" functions

Next I informed you that NHS England is not a hospital as you foolishly assumed.

NHS England is a Board responsible for over £100 billion pounds in spending across England . As such it is a public body similar to a Health Management Board in some states in Nigeria

The Board has people from diverse backgrounds MOSTLY business and consulting in fact MOST are not from the health industry.

There is a doctor, a nurse and a molecular geneticist on the board

Foolishly you claimed that the Medical Director is similar to a CMD ,

No he is not he is similar to a Director in our Ministry of Health. NHS England performs functions that our own Ministry of Health performs
His Boss is the CEO who is not a clinician

The Secretary for Health (health Minister) has not been a doctor or clinician in more than 20 years. So stop this self deception

No one in the UK subscribes to this idea that doctors should be boss

fitzfrankses7:


For the purpose of us having a well meaning conversation without petty name callings, I'll respect the esteemed Medical profession we both belong to and the oath we swore, to set the ground rules for our intellectual discourse-without which I'll totally ignore your rants
So then, an introduction will be in order...I expect you to do the same.
This is me in brief
-I took the oath some 13 years ago(I'll love to know yours)
-Already a FWACS(Are you?)
-Serial entrepreneur
-Sucker for factual and intellectual reasoning(You'll have to prove otherwise that you are)
-Uneconomical with the truth regardless whose Ox is gored
-No, I don't do petty name callings and expletives(can't say the same about you though)
That said, kindly introduce yourself (seeing you recently registered on Nairaland a few days ago) we can share knowledge and compare notes. Regards

I took oath 9rs ago
already FMCpath
Boy I know you are no where near FWACS.
You are too dumb to be there. You don't even know M.D is equivalent to ph.D.
If you are a Johesu member claiming an M.D you haven't seen anything yet. Especially if you are a medlab scientist I will still be your head as it is obtainable in Britain where we got our medicine from
Boy! The CEO is an accountant. Go and browse the functions of a CEO probably English Language was not part of your training. Also check the meaning of medical director boy!

aribisala0:

You are indeed totally unintelligent.

You have no idea of the background and you think you can just go on the internet and fish out stuff you do not underrstand

First I educated you that the CEO is the boss despiite you foolish claim that he is an accountant and only performs "administration" functions

Next I informed you that NHS England is not a hospital as you foolishly assumed.

NHS England is a Board responsible for over £100 billion pounds in spending across England . As such it is a public body similar to a Health Management Board in some states in Nigeria

The Board has people from diverse backgrounds MOSTLY business and consulting in fact MOST are not from the health industry.

There is a doctor, a nurse and a molecular geneticist on the board

Foolishly you claimed that the Medical Director is similar to a CMD ,

No he is not he is similar to a Director in our Ministry of Health. NHS England performs functions that our own Ministry of Health performs
His Boss is the CEO who is not a clinician

The Secretary for Health (health Minister) has not been a doctor or clinician in more than 20 years. So stop this self deception

No one in the UK subscribes to this idea that doctors should be boss

JOHESU is a failure. I stated earlier that I bet my testes for a bilateral orchidectomy. You guys can't achieve more than medical doctors allow. The chairman of JOHESU proudly stated he wants to show the govt that they make up 95% of health sector. Doctors on the other will show you guys that 1 intectual head are better than 9 numbskulls.


Doctors will continue to be CMDs and medical directors in all nook and cranny of the hospital.

At this moment I consider this thread. dead. The next time I will comment is when the strike resolves. Let's see what you guys will achieve.

TempoJames:



JOHESU is a failure. I stated earlier that I bet my testes for a bilateral orchidectomy. You guys can't achieve more than medical doctors allow. The chairman of JOHESU proudly stated he wants to show the govt that they make up 95% of health sector. Doctors on the other will show you guys that 1 intectual head are better than 9 numbskulls.


Doctors will continue to be CMDs and medical directors in all nook and cranny of the hospital.

At this moment I consider this thread. dead. The next time I will comment is when the strike resolves. Let's see what you guys will achieve.

I am not part of JOHESU. Nothing to do with me.
What is bilateral orchidectomy? What does that have to do with ths thread order than indulging your need to show off gratuitously?

It is childish>

This is a struggle for market share. The way I see it Nigrian doctors do not have a strategy for the future and do not even understand the struggle.


The issue is not who will continue to be what but what model of care can we use to pay for health in Nigeria.


Federal government hospitals cannot serve everyone and probably need to be scrapped.


Nigerian Doctors instead of thinking of how to come together raise money and start a business so the can take over the running of failiing tertiary hospitals and even starting new ones are talking about who will be CMD .

Is that the problem?

LUTH as it is could make moke money in one year than Ekiti state. Where is the vision to do this ??


You are talking nonsense about orchidectomy.

You need to wake up from your self indulgent narcissism and focus on the real issue in Healthcare which is money.

How do we fund quality tertiary hospital care in Nigeria. That is an economic and business question one which doctors would do better to concern themselves with if they want to continue to lead.

Sooner or later all these hospitals will privatize and what is important is to be a driver of the process rather than a passenger and a "victim".

Pause and think.

If a rich relative died and left LUTH to you as an inheritance what would you do with it. In all honest I do not expect the best business ideas to come from doctors

TempoJames:
The chief medical director in Princess grace hospital, London where Buhari travels to has a Dr.sina dorudi, a professor of surgery as chief medical director.
Why should it be different in Nigeria?

The title Chief Medical Director is not used in the NHS rather the correct thing is Chief Executive.

The Medical Director is one of the Directors and generally is the one who has the least control of money in the board.

Not only does the MD not have control over money. He only has control over doctors and ensuring professional standards and workforce planning. So he is the one that handles complaints against doctors and makes disciplinary decisions. The real powers lies in the Directors that controls operations and Finance. The former is almost always a nurse. He is the one through whom the CEO and the board issue instructions to doctors. He gives advice to the CEO and board on Medical perspective but is only one person on the board of many

Medical Director in England is Nothing like CMD in Nigeria They have no control over non medical staff