TempoJames:


The hate began when a pharmacist leaves his/her billion naira worth pharmaceutical firm and tryna head the hospital, when a nurse wants to head doctors, when a medlab scientist wants to head a pathologist, when a radiographer wants to head a radiologist , when a physiotherapist wants to be the CMD. Who started the hate? Idiots!
I am very sure a pharmacist wouldn't like to be paid same as nurses yet they want to be doctors. Hippocrytes!

i see no wrng if a med doc wrks in a pharmaceutical firm and aspires to get to the highest level in d firm if he/she is capable of carrying out d responsibilities demanded of such positions. a pharmacist doesnt aspire to head d med docs as a unit bt can aspire to head health institutions which he/she is part of and besides, dis position requires managerial skill rather dan clinical skill (dis d medical docs in naija has held unto so long as a right) . bro give me logical reasons why u feel a med doc is more suited to head d hospital dan a pharmacist or other health wrkers .

TempoJames:


Yes I'm deaf, daft and illiterate but I will be the one to conduct your autopsy after you might have died from hunger.
Cause of death will be: Hunger secondary to Johesu strike and insurbodination.

Laughable
No valid point made

optm:
i see no wrng if a med doc wrks in a pharmaceutical firm and aspires to get to the highest level in d firm if he/she is capable of carrying out d responsibilities demanded of such positions. a pharmacist doesnt aspire to head d med docs as a unit bt can aspire to head health institutions which he/she is part of and besides, dis position requires managerial skill rather dan clinical skill (dis d medical docs in naija has held unto so long as a right) . bro give me logical reasons why u feel a med doc is more suited to head d hospital dan a pharmacist or other health wrkers .

I am sure you don't understand why a medical doctor has no license to start a pharmaceutical company and why a pharmacist can't start a hospital.
Your question of why a medical doctor is in better position to head others will only be answered if u do an indept study of course contents of each field. Only then would you know a medical doctor has superior knowledge in all allied-fields as regard patient management. The hospital setting is not concerned about drug production but its use of which doctors have superior knowledge.
The same pharmacology a pharmacist studies for 3yrs(3l to 5l) is what a med doc studied in a year.
In UNN I studied pharmacology for 6months indepth no topic left out with true/false and negative marking and close marking applied with tendency to repeat or fail out if you fail. I exhuasted Tripathi text of pharmacology. Some times Lecturers finished by 9pm and you come back so exhuasted and tired and still have to read against the next day or accumulate work to your detriment.
Medical doctors are trained to carry knowledge in bulk. The same course others spread out and write semester by semester for 3 years is what a med doc exhausts under stress within a year or less and write exams across(not in parts). Those in medlab,medrehab,medradio, nursing will attest to the fact that their semester exams were used as continous assessment for medsurg students. They never wrote Mb. Last time I went to UNTH as visiting pathologist, the above academic regulations still holds true. Go and confirm and check the pass rate of their last 2nd mb and proof me wrong. Last year I heard only 12 out of 60 passed in dentistry others either failed out or repeated. currently they are 150(against 15 qouta) dentistry students and 325 (against 150 quota)medsurg students in YR1 my 2 kid bros are in pharmacy 500L and medsurg 400L UNN. I have first hand info from my colleagues over there too.
I remember in 2nd mb only 141(+resits) out of 335(including dentistry) passed . Abt 102 repeated 3rd yr and 98 failed out. I remember what happened that night the result was pasted around 9pm after 11hr long meeting by faculty boards. Many cried that day. A colleague that failed out even wanted to commit suicide.Tell which other health fields are subject to such truama. Yet you want to be doctors through the backyard without being test/baptized by the fire and ego of MBBS
Idiots!

TempoJames:


I am sure you don't understand why a medical doctor has no license to start a pharmaceutical company and why a pharmacist can't start a hospital.
Your question of why a medical doctor is in better position to head others will only be answered if u do an indept study of course contents of each field. Only then would you know a medical doctor has superior knowledge in all allied-fields as regard patient management. The hospital setting is not concerned about drug production but its use of which doctors have superior knowledge.
The same pharmacology a pharmacist studies for 3yrs(3l to 5l) is what a med doc studied in a year.
In UNN I studied pharmacology for 6months indepth no topic left out with true/false and negative marking and close marking applied with tendency to repeat or fail out if you fail. I exhuasted Tripathi text of pharmacology. Some times Lecturers finished by 9pm and you come back so exhuasted and tired and still have to read against the next day or accumulate work to your detriment.
Medical doctors are trained to carry knowledge in bulk. The same course others spread out and write semester by semester for 3 years is what a med doc exhausts under stress within a year or less and write exams across(not in parts). Those in medlab,medrehab,medradio, nursing will attest to the fact that their semester exams were used as continous assessment for medsurg students. They never wrote Mb. Last time I went to UNTH as visiting pathologist, the above academic regulations still holds true. Go and confirm and check the pass rate of their last 2nd mb and proof me wrong. Last year I heard only 12 out of 60 passed in dentistry others either failed out or repeated. currently they are 150(against 15 qouta) dentistry students and 325 (against 150 quota)medsurg students in YR1 my 2 kid bros are in pharmacy 500L and medsurg 400L UNN. I have first hand info from my colleagues over there too.
I remember in 2nd mb only 141(+resits) out of 335(including dentistry) passed . Abt 102 repeated 3rd yr and 98 failed out. I remember what happened that night the result was pasted around 9pm after 11hr long meeting by faculty boards. Many cried that day. A colleague that failed out even wanted to commit suicide.Tell which other health fields are subject to such truama. Yet you want to be doctors through the backyard without being test/baptized by the fire and ego of MBBS
Idiots!

Pls read this so that you will make objective point. I also have my own tale of the harsh undergraduate era. So don't hype it as if yours is from another planet.


NMA said the reason for coveting these offices is because other health workers are not "medically qualified" even though they all finished from the same college of medicine; took same or similar causes together or as separate departments.
Let's look at the so called international best practices. Lets look at the ministers of health of following countries:
1. France minister of health
Morisol Touraine.
She is not a degree holder. Studied At Ecole Normale Supereure and specialized in Economics and social issues.
2. Germany minister of health
Jens Spahn.
Studied Political science and Law at University of Hagen.
3. Saudi Arabia minister of health.
Dr. Tawfiq Al Ravish.
Obtain bachelor degree in Financial management and Mathematics, then 2 masters in computer science and information science.
4. Israel minister of health.
Yaakov Litzman.
Studied Torah and his first job was principal of Yaakov Girls school and then join politics.
5. Spain minister of health, social, security and Equality.
Dolors Montserrat.
A Lawyer and politician. She specialized in Real Estate and Environmental Law.
6. India minister of health
Jagat Prakash Nadda.
He a graduate of Law at Himachal Prakash.
7. Canada minister of health
Genette Petitpas Taylor.
She has bachelor degree in Social work.
Non of the above ministers study medicine and they are health ministers of their countries. Yet Isaac Adewole and NMA are saying our ministry of health institutions most be headed by medical doctors, ie. the international best practice.
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TempoJames:


I am sure you don't understand why a medical doctor has no license to start a pharmaceutical company and why a pharmacist can't start a hospital.
Your question of why a medical doctor is in better position to head others will only be answered if u do an indept study of course contents of each field. Only then would you know a medical doctor has superior knowledge in all allied-fields as regard patient management. The hospital setting is not concerned about drug production but its use of which doctors have superior knowledge.
The same pharmacology a pharmacist studies for 3yrs(3l to 5l) is what a med doc studied in a year.
In UNN I studied pharmacology for 6months indepth no topic left out with true/false and negative marking and close marking applied with tendency to repeat or fail out if you fail. I exhuasted Tripathi text of pharmacology. Some times Lecturers finished by 9pm and you come back so exhuasted and tired and still have to read against the next day or accumulate work to your detriment.
Medical doctors are trained to carry knowledge in bulk. The same course others spread out and write semester by semester for 3 years is what a med doc exhausts under stress within a year or less and write exams across(not in parts). Those in medlab,medrehab,medradio, nursing will attest to the fact that their semester exams were used as continous assessment for medsurg students. They never wrote Mb. Last time I went to UNTH as visiting pathologist, the above academic regulations still holds true. Go and confirm and check the pass rate of their last 2nd mb and proof me wrong. Last year I heard only 12 out of 60 passed in dentistry others either failed out or repeated. currently they are 150(against 15 qouta) dentistry students and 325 (against 150 quota)medsurg students in YR1 my 2 kid bros are in pharmacy 500L and medsurg 400L UNN. I have first hand info from my colleagues over there too.
I remember in 2nd mb only 141(+resits) out of 335(including dentistry) passed . Abt 102 repeated 3rd yr and 98 failed out. I remember what happened that night the result was pasted around 9pm after 11hr long meeting by faculty boards. Many cried that day. A colleague that failed out even wanted to commit suicide.Tell which other health fields are subject to such truama. Yet you want to be doctors through the backyard without being test/baptized by the fire and ego of MBBS
Idiots!

lolz nd u think d stress is peculiar to med surg? i cnt start telling u my experience tru schl. but u hvnt told hw these has made u better qualified for a managerial position .... any person can own a hospital/ pharmacy but not any person can do d job spec of a pharmacist or a med doc

optm:
lolz nd u think d stress is peculiar to med surg? i cnt start telling u my experience tru schl. but u hvnt told hw these has made u better qualified for a managerial position .... any person can own a hospital/ pharmacy but not any person can do d job spec of a pharmacist or a med doc

pls which other dept pass thru this pls,

u seems not to understand what the guy is saying ,

couple with the letter by Dr OBAFemi as regards how medical practixe is been done in international country where we got it from,

u guys should just sit and chill..

Enough if this Jor.
so many things taken for granted in this country .

danilmo:

pls which other dept pass thru this pls,

u seems not to understand what the guy is saying ,

couple with the letter by Dr OBAFemi as regards how medical practixe is been done in international country where we got it from,

u guys should just sit and chill..

Enough if this Jor.
so many things taken for granted in this country .

even me i am tired responding......u wanna knw? just tk a form to study courses lyk optometry, pharmacy, physio, nursing , MLS and any oda course u wanna compare wit med surg only den can u confidently mk the claims dt med surg is more difficult dan evry oda. if u ask me, i dnt knw which is more difficult but i knw mine wasnt easy fr me nd i no b dull student

optm:
even me i am tired responding......u wanna knw? just tk a form to study courses lyk optometry, pharmacy, physio, nursing , MLS and any oda course u wanna compare wit med surg only den can u confidently mk the claims dt med surg is more difficult dan evry oda. if u ask me, i dnt knw which is more difficult but i knw mine wasnt easy fr me nd i no b dull student

u can keep deceiving urself as if those dept are not under my college,

TempoJames:


I am sure you don't understand why a medical doctor has no license to start a pharmaceutical company and why a pharmacist can't start a hospital.
Your question of why a medical doctor is in better position to head others will only be answered if u do an indept study of course contents of each field. Only then would you know a medical doctor has superior knowledge in all allied-fields as regard patient management. The hospital setting is not concerned about drug production but its use of which doctors have superior knowledge.
The same pharmacology a pharmacist studies for 3yrs(3l to 5l) is what a med doc studied in a year.
In UNN I studied pharmacology for 6months indepth no topic left out with true/false and negative marking and close marking applied with tendency to repeat or fail out if you fail. I exhuasted Tripathi text of pharmacology. Some times Lecturers finished by 9pm and you come back so exhuasted and tired and still have to read against the next day or accumulate work to your detriment.
Medical doctors are trained to carry knowledge in bulk. The same course others spread out and write semester by semester for 3 years is what a med doc exhausts under stress within a year or less and write exams across(not in parts). Those in medlab,medrehab,medradio, nursing will attest to the fact that their semester exams were used as continous assessment for medsurg students. They never wrote Mb. Last time I went to UNTH as visiting pathologist, the above academic regulations still holds true. Go and confirm and check the pass rate of their last 2nd mb and proof me wrong. Last year I heard only 12 out of 60 passed in dentistry others either failed out or repeated. currently they are 150(against 15 qouta) dentistry students and 325 (against 150 quota)medsurg students in YR1 my 2 kid bros are in pharmacy 500L and medsurg 400L UNN. I have first hand info from my colleagues over there too.
I remember in 2nd mb only 141(+resits) out of 335(including dentistry) passed . Abt 102 repeated 3rd yr and 98 failed out. I remember what happened that night the result was pasted around 9pm after 11hr long meeting by faculty boards. Many cried that day. A colleague that failed out even wanted to commit suicide.Tell which other health fields are subject to such truama. Yet you want to be doctors through the backyard without being test/baptized by the fire and ego of MBBS
Idiots!

Please correct that, it is not the same pharmacology. Pharmacology is not a field that anyone can study in one year. Medical students are made to take a small bite of different fields, and that small bite doesn't qualify them as authority in such fields. You were able to complete medical pharmacology in one year because you were taught a highly abbreviated pharmacology. Pharmacy students take each aspect of pharmacology one by one in infinitely greater detail, a detail that would make a medical student give up any day. This detail can only be understood by pharmacy students specifically because their training comprehensively equips them with all foundational subjects from which pharmacology derives; in particular medicinal chemistry, mathematics, biochemistry, pharmacognosy and even pharmaceutics. This is the same way that medical students are as it were brushed through biochemistry courses... They (medical students) take small bites, which don't qualify you or them to start parading themselves as experts in this and other fields. The phrase Jack of all trades readily comes to mind... And this is the very reason that pharmacists are placed in hospitals, to serve as the final check for doctors' prescriptions: because both your superiors and those that design the medical curricula know that you have sufficient knowledge of pharmacology and that the real experts on drugs and pharmacology (pharmacists) must vet and correct prescriptions before handing them to patients.
In other words, cramming to pass negative-marking questions says nothing about intelligence. Let's not exult a defective educational system. Any secondary school drop-out with decent reading skills could be taught to cram the same pharmacology that you crammed and pour it down without necessarily understanding the foundational concepts. But approach any pharmacist, he/she would take you through a journey in pharmacology that you're not going to come across in medical pharmacology.

bizme:


Please correct that, it is not the same pharmacology. Pharmacology is not a field that anyone can study in one year. Medical students are made to take a small bite of different fields, and that small bite doesn't qualify them as authority in such fields. You were able to complete medical pharmacology in one year because you were taught a highly abbreviated pharmacology. Pharmacy students take each aspect of pharmacology one by one in infinitely greater detail, a detail that would make a medical student give up any day. This detail can only be understood by pharmacy students specifically because their training comprehensively equips them with all foundational subjects from which pharmacology derives; in particular medicinal chemistry, mathematics, biochemistry, pharmacognosy and even pharmaceutics. This is the same way that medical students are as it were brushed through biochemistry courses... They (medical students) take small bites, which don't qualify you or them to start parading themselves as experts in this and other fields. The phrase Jack of all trades readily comes to mind... And this is the very reason that pharmacists are placed in hospitals, to serve as the final check for doctors' prescriptions: because both your superiors and those that design the medical curricula know that you have sufficient knowledge of pharmacology and that the real experts on drugs and pharmacology (pharmacists) must vet and correct prescriptions before handing them to patients.
In other words, cramming to pass negative-marking questions says nothing about intelligence. Let's not exult a defective educational system. Any secondary school drop-out with decent reading skills could be taught to cram the same pharmacology that you crammed and pour it down without necessarily understanding the foundational concepts. But approach any pharmacist, he/she would take you through a journey in pharmacology that you're not going to come across in medical pharmacology.

No need for the argument. simply challenge him in pharmacology & see how u will be humbled.
That's when u will know that every medical doctor knows much pharmacology than u do

bizme:


Please correct that, it is not the same pharmacology. Pharmacology is not a field that anyone can study in one year. Medical students are made to take a small bite of different fields, and that small bite doesn't qualify them as authority in such fields. You were able to complete medical pharmacology in one year because you were taught a highly abbreviated pharmacology. Pharmacy students take each aspect of pharmacology one by one in infinitely greater detail, a detail that would make a medical student give up any day. This detail can only be understood by pharmacy students specifically because their training comprehensively equips them with all foundational subjects from which pharmacology derives; in particular medicinal chemistry, mathematics, biochemistry, pharmacognosy and even pharmaceutics. This is the same way that medical students are as it were brushed through biochemistry courses... They (medical students) take small bites, which don't qualify you or them to start parading themselves as experts in this and other fields. The phrase Jack of all trades readily comes to mind... And this is the very reason that pharmacists are placed in hospitals, to serve as the final check for doctors' prescriptions: because both your superiors and those that design the medical curricula know that you have sufficient knowledge of pharmacology and that the real experts on drugs and pharmacology (pharmacists) must vet and correct prescriptions before handing them to patients.
In other words, cramming to pass negative-marking questions says nothing about intelligence. Let's not exult a defective educational system. Any secondary school drop-out with decent reading skills could be taught to cram the same pharmacology that you crammed and pour it down without necessarily understanding the foundational concepts. But approach any pharmacist, he/she would take you through a journey in pharmacology that you're not going to come across in medical pharmacology.

That is what differentiate a doc from others. What you see as impossible is possible to a med doc. A medical doc is superior in knowledge of pharmacology to a pharmacist. I Understood my pharmacology to the core . You can't cram and pass true/false with negative marking. When last did u write a true/false exam with minus 1 negative marking applied?
Which means you need to score 75 to get 50 on the dot. If you tick 75 correct and fail 25. 25 will cancel out 25 and u have 50. You see why distinction is harder in medicine than in pharmacy?
Go and sleep if I take you deep into pharmacology you won't survive.
Take home an assignment why you shouldn't give hematinics to a child with mild to moderate anemia with an acute febrile illness?
Why you shouldn't administer digoxin in heart failure secondary to ischemic heart disease?
Why you shouldn't start a px with previous thrombotic event on warfarin alone.
why you shouldn't give paracetamol to a child with fever untill you are sure it is not a viral infection?
You think my knowledge of pharmacology ends with knowing only drug use,moa n sideeffects?
you will be surprised how deficient you are in presence of a medical doctor.

Boy!

Freddonance:



No need for the argument. simply challenge him in pharmacology & see how u will be humbled.
That's when u will know that every medical doctor knows much pharmacology than u do

You're both kids. I teach people like you.

TempoJames:


That is what differentiate a doc from others. What you see as impossible is possible to a med doc. A medical doc is superior in knowledge of pharmacology to a pharmacist. I Understood my pharmacology to the core . You can't cram and pass true/false with negative marking. When last did u write a true/false exam with minus 1 negative marking applied?
Which means you need to score 75 to get 50 on the dot. If you tick 75 correct and fail 25. 25 will cancel out 25 and u have 50. You see why distinction is harder in medicine than in pharmacy?
Go and sleep if I take you deep into pharmacology you won't survive.
Take home an assignment why you shouldn't give hematinics to a child with mild to moderate anemia with an acute febrile illness?
Why you shouldn't administer digoxin in heart failure secondary to ischemic heart disease?
Why you shouldn't start a px with previous thrombotic event on warfarin alone.
why you shouldn't give paracetamol to a child with fever untill you are sure it is not a viral infection?
You think my knowledge of pharmacology ends with knowing only drug use,moa n sideeffects?
you will be surprised how deficient you are in presence of a medical doctor.

Boy!

You're such a kid. Coming out here asking dumb questions that any jack can readily google. It's such pettiness in Nigerian medical doctors that's the root of our problem.

One day you might finally grow up and then maybe you'd qualify to come into the league of those that get to discuss drug matters with the like of me. Getting a fellowship in clinical pharmacology might stand you a chance. But for now, go back to your books and read.

PS: If you want real debate on drugs, it's got to be offline where you've got no google to run to. And without any lenghty notice. And we are going to run through the entire breath of pharmacology, basic and clinical and experimental and historical development and all. I wish you were close to OAU, Ile-Ife, then we might just meet tomorrow 8:00 am.

Na male cook I be...

ubergold:


I feel your pain. You must be a male nurse

bizme:


You're such a kid. Coming out here asking dumb questions that any jack can readily google. It's such pettiness in Nigerian medical doctors that's the root of our problem.

One day you might finally grow up and then maybe you'd qualify to come into the league of those that get to discuss drug matters with the like of me. Getting a fellowship in clinical pharmacology might stand you a chance. But for now, go back to your books and read.

PS: If you want real debate on drugs, it's got to be offline where you've got no google to run to. And without any lenghty notice. And we are going to run through the entire breath of pharmacology, basic and clinical and experimental and historical development and all. I wish you were close to OAU, Ile-Ife, then we might just meet tomorrow 8:00 am.

excuse upon excuse,
wen u already know such meeting is close to impossible,
ife kor..


that was how a funny pharmD couldn't answer a damn clinical question even wen he said we should take it off nairaland which I did, or do u want screen shot,

still waiting for amarabae to tell me go ahead with my question, as she claim she sabi like a doctor ,
just question on nutrition will throw her nursing certificate off balance .
just
wana take it as my goal to ridicule her post graduate certificate..
nurse fire ..

bizme:


Please correct that, it is not the same pharmacology. Pharmacology is not a field that anyone can study in one year. Medical students are made to take a small bite of different fields, and that small bite doesn't qualify them as authority in such fields. You were able to complete medical pharmacology in one year because you were taught a highly abbreviated pharmacology. Pharmacy students take each aspect of pharmacology one by one in infinitely greater detail, a detail that would make a medical student give up any day. This detail can only be understood by pharmacy students specifically because their training comprehensively equips them with all foundational subjects from which pharmacology derives; in particular medicinal chemistry, mathematics, biochemistry, pharmacognosy and even pharmaceutics. This is the same way that medical students are as it were brushed through biochemistry courses... They (medical students) take small bites, which don't qualify you or them to start parading themselves as experts in this and other fields. The phrase Jack of all trades readily comes to mind... And this is the very reason that pharmacists are placed in hospitals, to serve as the final check for doctors' prescriptions: because both your superiors and those that design the medical curricula know that you have sufficient knowledge of pharmacology and that the real experts on drugs and pharmacology (pharmacists) must vet and correct prescriptions before handing them to patients.
In other words, cramming to pass negative-marking questions says nothing about intelligence. Let's not exult a defective educational system. Any secondary school drop-out with decent reading skills could be taught to cram the same pharmacology that you crammed and pour it down without necessarily understanding the foundational concepts. But approach any pharmacist, he/she would take you through a journey in pharmacology that you're not going to come across in medical pharmacology.

u see, u feel its impossible, no wonder they set high cut off mark before u gain admission into MBBS coz its made for people who can pressurise their brain to bring out the best in it,

lol, remembered my lecturer telling us in year 2 to get ready for brain percussion, and its not joke mehn..hmmn.

FYI , I have graduate pharmacist in my MBBS class like 3 of them,matured guys o, those guys are dangling in the heat already with low C.A ..
u can never see a doctor stupp so low to study pharmacy after his MBBS degree. but plenty pharmacist in practice are still applyingvbut been denied yearly into MBBS direct entry..

U think say MBBS na Eba and Beans ni..

bizme:


You're such a kid. Coming out here asking dumb questions that any jack can readily google. It's such pettiness in Nigerian medical doctors that's the root of our problem.

One day you might finally grow up and then maybe you'd qualify to come into the league of those that get to discuss drug matters with the like of me. Getting a fellowship in clinical pharmacology might stand you a chance. But for now, go back to your books and read.

PS: If you want real debate on drugs, it's got to be offline where you've got no google to run to. And without any lenghty notice. And we are going to run through the entire breath of pharmacology, basic and clinical and experimental and historical development and all. I wish you were close to OAU, Ile-Ife, then we might just meet tomorrow 8:00 am.

googles won't answer those question. I asked only what a doctor can answer. You won't even see in a texbook of pharmacology. Only a physician that knows in toto how a drug can affect modify the course of a pathology. Boy I'm not here to exchange words.
google out the answers let me plain out your deficiency. I studied pharmacology as a course and again studied its clinical applications in "medicine" as a course too. And a pharmacists thinks he/she would be better.
You won't survive if I take u deeper. First of all bring out your google answers let me put you in place.
Oh you are still a student and want to argue with me? Kid you have a long way to go.
I took oath 9yrs ago and proudly a pathologist.
My 2 kid bros r in UNN medsurg 400L and pharm 500L. I know the limitations in pharmacy.
I want to show you how deficient you are even with google and textbook at your disposal.
If you don't have a solid knowledge of morbid pathology your knowledge of pharmacology is just as shaky as a chemist. Even chemists know the use of drugs.
What differentiate a med doc is how the drug can modify, alleviate or even worsen the pathology.
Just go and pass your exams. Kid!

Subject: PRESS BRIEFING
TEXT OF A PRESS BRIEFING BY JOHESU HELD ON THURSDAY MAY 17, 2018 AT AYUBA WABBA HOUSE, AREA ONE ABUJA

 

It has become necessary to reach out to the Federal Government, consumers of health and all stakeholders with regards to the on-going nationwide strike of health workers.

 

We wish to put on record that after attending a series of meetings with the Federal Government team under the auspices of the Federal Ministry of Labour and Employment, with the following Ministries/Agencies in attendance; Federal Ministry of Health, Office of Secretary to the Government of the Federation, Office of Head of Civil Service of the Federation, Federal Ministry of Finance, DSS and others on:

a.          Wednesday, 25th April, 2018

ii.           Monday,  30th April, 2018

iii.         Thursday, 3rd May, 2018

iv.         Wednesday 9th May, 2018

v.           Tuesday 15th May, 2018

vi.         Wednesday 16th May, 2018

 

It has become imperative to summarise our observation as follows:

1.           The Federal Ministry of  Health as presently led by Prof. Isaac Adewole FAS has constituted itself as a major hindrance to fruitful deliberation as he has never disguised its intention to symbolise the propaganda machine of the NMA through his posturing at all our meetings, which necessitated JOHESU to take a position that the negotiation were structured to fail ab-initio.

 

Prof. Isaac Adewole is on record to have insisted that the wage structure in the health sector must reckon with what was obtainable in the 1991 late Prof. Olukoye Ransome – Kuti’s dual salary system (MSS and HSS) which marked the beginning of persistent acrimony until it was corrected through the Harmonised Tertiary Institutions Salary Structure (HATISS) and HAPSS in 2003.

 

2.           The duo of the Ministers of Labour and Health who are both members of the NMA have taken a position that parity must entail a basic salary differential in the emolument of health professionals and their doctor colleagues.

 

On May 15, 2018, JOHESU came up with a comprehensive presentation to graphically showcase the realities of the various salary scales in the Health Sector from 1977 till date (please see appendix).  Even when the reality on ground shows that a fresh doctor presently enters the public service on CONMESS 3 which is the equivalent of GL 13 with a take home monthly package of N313,000,00 per month, the closest in line who are health professionals enter public service on CONHESS 9 which is the equivalent of GL 10 with a package of N161,670.00 with a proposal to have an adjustment that takes him to a total emolument of N190,000.00, the two Ministers who are members of NMA have taken positions that these health professionals seek parity with doctors.  In mathematical terms this is a significant 61% differential.

 

At same CONMESS 3 which is an equivalent of CONHESS 11, in our adjusted CONHESS, a Medical Doctor on CONMESS 3 will earn N312,944.83 while other health professionals will earn N223,345.58.  this is a difference of N89,599.22 which in mathematical terms translate into 40% differential.

 

At peak levels on CONMESS 7, a consultant doctor takes home at least One Million naira, while other health professionals at the same peak level of CONHESS 15 are presently on N477,165 and seek for proposed adjustment which will take them to N697,000.  This still gives a 43% differential.

 

The above reflection is what obtains when health professionals on the peak of JOHESU ladder is compared to doctors.  For administrators and graduate nurses who start on CONHESS 7 (GL , their present earnings are a meagre monthly entitlements of N89,000 and N118,000.

 

For effect it will take any other average health professional or administrator a minimum of 15 year.

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Jack of all trades. master of none. We are in the modern era for goodness sake. From 19th century till date, after the French revolution and industrial revolution in the west, there became an emphasis on specialization of skills and knowledge for more productivity and usefulness. One day, NMA members will claim to know jurisprudence better than lawyers since they did a bit in school. They may also claim to know A level biology, chemistry and physics better than biologist, chemist and physicist respectively. Sometimes, I wonder why there's rampant increase of impunity in all our sectors and national existence as some derail folks foster a supremacy agenda on others. Fulani herdsmen are fighting a supremacy war on the whole 250 tribes in Nigeria; NMA is fighting a supremacy agenda in our backward health sector; At times, some zealous lawyer also even claimed to be the only learned profession in the country. I am a physiotherapist and there's no other profession in Nigeria can brag that he knows my discipline better. Everybody should know their limit. Physician does not know pharmacology more than pharmacist. They know just a bit of it in order to practice Anyone claiming such should submitted self for examination.

Freddonance:



No need for the argument. simply challenge him in pharmacology & see how u will be humbled.
That's when u will know that every medical doctor knows much pharmacology than u do

i see dis as being childish honestly.

optm:
i see dis as being childish honestly.

childish bah, that has always been the excuse, ave seen many online johesuite claiming Upandan how they know pharmacology than doctor but when challenge come, they shy off and say its childish,

one PharmD even tried me as he claim only surgery differentiate him from doctors, told me to follow him in mail, I did, we only greeted each other, asked him to now provide answer to my clinical question, till today he never say inch,

I just know, this table johesuits are shaking is the beginning of them publicing there incompetence and irrelevancy in health sector..

danilmo:


childish bah, that has always been the excuse, ave seen many online johesuite claiming Upandan how they know pharmacology than doctor but when challenge come, they shy off and say its childish,

one PharmD even tried me as he claim only surgery differentiate him from doctors, told me to follow him in mail, I did, we only greeted each other, asked him to now provide answer to my clinical question, till today he never say inch,

I just know, this table johesuits are shaking is the beginning of them publicing there incompetence and irrelevancy in health sector..

in our various trainings, we hv areas dt are given more attention because it is more relevant to our primary job spec. there re areas of pharmacology a pharmacist ll do better dan u as well as areas u wld do better due to d attention given in training based on its relevance to carrying out primary duties. a newly grad pharmacist is nt all grounded in evry areas that's why there re consultancy areas to mk dem authority in their chosen area of interest. i think a clinical pharmacologist shld be able to giv answers to ur questions. we all had diff trainings to enable us carry out our specific duties. it's childish trying to mk comparison in order to find out who is better. let's learn to hv respect fr one anoda.

optm:
in our various trainings, we hv areas dt are given more attention because it is more relevant to our primary job spec. there re areas of pharmacology a pharmacist ll do better dan u as well as areas u wld do better due to d attention given in training based on its relevance to carrying out primary duties. a newly grad pharmacist is nt all grounded in evry areas that's why there re consultancy areas to mk dem authority in their chosen area of interest. i think a clinical pharmacologist shld be able to giv answers to ur questions. we all had diff trainings to enable us carry out our specific duties. it's childish trying to mk comparison in order to find out who is better. let's learn to hv respect fr one anoda.

Bros, you should have ignored him for silence is the best answer to a fool. I just observed he is still a student. Reality has not dawn on him. Let him graduate and come and meet us in the hospital. He will know where he belong.

optm:
in our various trainings, we hv areas dt are given more attention because it is more relevant to our primary job spec. there re areas of pharmacology a pharmacist ll do better dan u as well as areas u wld do better due to d attention given in training based on its relevance to carrying out primary duties. a newly grad pharmacist is nt all grounded in evry areas that's why there re consultancy areas to mk dem authority in their chosen area of interest. i think a clinical pharmacologist shld be able to giv answers to ur questions. we all had diff trainings to enable us carry out our specific duties. it's childish trying to mk comparison in order to find out who is better. let's learn to hv respect fr one anoda.

pharmacists seems not to have respect, so, the goal is to ridicule the said thing they said they know and teach them better the application which they lack since they wanna bite more than they can chew,
no need saying much, wen a slave /servant wanna raise shoulder than his master the best thing is to place /show him where he belong.

they should go and do the pharmacology sabi in the pharmacautical company,


till all johesu agreed that doctor own and know all in hospital setting than their whole combine, they ll keep having headache and we will keep putting them in good position at ease..

I only pity optometist for stooping so low to join johesu against doctor..

Thanks18:


Bros, you should have ignored him for silence is the best answer to a fool. I just observed he is still a student. Reality has not dawn on him. Let him graduate and come and meet us in the hospital. He will know where he belong.

after graduation, my pay will b more than urs, hope u won't kill urself dear

danilmo:


pharmacists seems not to have respect, so, the goal is to ridicule the said thing they said they know and teach them better the application which they lack since they wanna bite more than they can chew,
no need saying much, wen a slave /servant wanna raise shoulder than his master the best thing is to place /show him where he belong.

they should go and do the pharmacology sabi in the pharmacautical company,


till all johesu agreed that doctor own and know all in hospital setting than their whole combine, they ll keep having headache and we will keep putting them in good position at ease..

I only pity optometist for stooping so low to join johesu against doctor..

lolz kul down ur temper jare. optometrist dey see pepper fr ophthalmologist hand dey suffer just lyk oda johesu members. i m tired of d inter professional rivalry amongst health wrkers. no one shld try lording over the other. we re all servants to the pts. lolz

optm:
lolz kul down ur temper jare. optometrist dey see pepper fr ophthalmologist hand dey suffer just lyk oda johesu members. i m tired of d inter professional rivalry amongst health wrkers. no one shld try lording over the other. we re all servants to the pts. lolz

these guys know the stuff wella,MBBS holder, specialized in it again. hmmmm


OK

imagine if there is association of optometrist ,
then this association deem it fit to work relatively with Opthalmologist, it will b better and accepted..

there will b no point for me to start suffering the one who agreed I know more na. it ll b odd

a human on top will always wana suppress who he think/know he knows more than till the person accept to work relatively with the boss..

Common respect to a senior will settle this..

this will b better than joining johesu,
Doctor s will have no choice than to do to optometry the way they do to other johesuite, coz it's obvious johesu hate doctor and doctor wana do all possible to do d needful on anyone in that association..
but are they ready to accept Opthalmologist know more, I doubt, we are human being.u know the drill

those international guys we are talking made it obvious that doctor is in a better term to treat a patient, they don't build hatred for doctor. rather they love, choose to work with doctor..but in Nigeria, our own johesu will tell u how they always correct a doctor(probably a young graduate) thereby using it to ridicule medics generally..

see Nigeria pharmD telling us only surgery differentiate him, I know u ll never hear that from British PharmD ..
Med lab will tell u them know like a pathologist , now the heat is between them and pathologist as if there consultant med lab can stand with a pathologist in that hospital knowledge wise.

Maybe till the meaning of Medical Doctor sink into johesu head that's wen they will realise the've missed it since..

Take for example in NMA,
a house officer respect register and belief a registral knows more,
a registal belief a consultant knows better, and will always ready to learn from the boss. not d other way round.
so the harmony continue there since respect was given and acknowledged


sometimes ago I was ill and the nurse administering injection to me was so loyal and cool , hearing that am a medic, she was pleased to handle me softly, pet me to eat well, I was happy. the next day I saw a doctor in that health center teaching her some basic skills , i guess the lady nurse was ready to learn and reaspectful..she ll go far than her mate..
meanwhile her mate are somewhere forming beef with doctor

all dsame bro..


enjoy ur day.

*UK HEALTH COUNCIL*
In united kingdom where our president and other senators often seek medical care, leaving our jeopardized health system being managed by minister of doctors over the years without meaningful development, but rather what we are experiencing are anarchy, morbid egocentric mentality, industrial disharmony, superiority complexes, and strong desire to head all departments. They have termed other health care professionals such as Physiotherapists, Nurses, Medical Laboratory Scientists, Pharmacists, Optometrists, Radiographers, Dieticians and Occupational therapists as Non medical Health workers and they are the only medical health workers in Nigeria. With this showmanship of ignorance and acute behaviour of catatonic schizophrenia found among medical doctors in Nigeria. We wish to explain how the UK HEALTH COUNCIL IS HEADED.
*UK Minister of State For Health- Stephen Barclay* ; - He studied Law at the College of Law, Chester.
*UK Secretary of state for Health and Social care- Jeremy Hunt MP* ;- He studied philosophy, politics and economics at Magdelen College, Oxford.
*UK Minister of State for Care- Caroline Dinenage* ;- She studied Politics and English at Swansea University
*UK Secretary of State for Mental Health and Inequalities- Jackie Dougle* ;- She studied economics at University College, Durham
*UK Secretary of State for Public Health and Primary care- Steve Brina MP* - He studied History from Liverpool Hope University
Is it not laughable that NMA is citing International best practices, I wonder where their own international best practices came from.
Concerned
UGONSITE
JOHESUITE

TempoJames:


googles won't answer those question. I asked only what a doctor can answer. You won't even see in a texbook of pharmacology. Only a physician that knows in toto how a drug can affect modify the course of a pathology. Boy I'm not here to exchange words.
google out the answers let me plain out your deficiency. I studied pharmacology as a course and again studied its clinical applications in "medicine" as a course too. And a pharmacists thinks he/she would be better.
You won't survive if I take u deeper. First of all bring out your google answers let me put you in place.
Oh you are still a student and want to argue with me? Kid you have a long way to go.
I took oath 9yrs ago and proudly a pathologist.
My 2 kid bros r in UNN medsurg 400L and pharm 500L. I know the limitations in pharmacy.
I want to show you how deficient you are even with google and textbook at your disposal.
If you don't have a solid knowledge of morbid pathology your knowledge of pharmacology is just as shaky as a chemist. Even chemists know the use of drugs.
What differentiate a med doc is how the drug can modify, alleviate or even worsen the pathology.
Just go and pass your exams. Kid!

u just gave that guy the deep taught of his life..applause.
he won't want u to ridicule his pharm certificate na,,
very dumb people..

danilmo:


these guys know the stuff wella,MBBS holder, specialized in it again. hmmmm


OK

imagine if there is association of optometrist ,
then this association deem it fit to work relatively with Opthalmologist, it will b better and accepted..

there will b no point for me to start suffering the one who agreed I know more na. it ll b odd

a human on top will always wana suppress who he think/know he knows more than till the person accept to work relatively with the boss..

Common respect to a senior will settle this..

this will b better than joining johesu,
Doctor s will have no choice than to do to optometry the way they do to other johesuite, coz it's obvious johesu hate doctor and doctor wana do all possible to do d needful on anyone in that association..
but are they ready to accept Opthalmologist know more, I doubt, we are human being.u know the drill

those international guys we are talking made it obvious that doctor is in a better term to treat a patient, they don't build hatred for doctor. rather they love, choose to work with doctor..but in Nigeria, our own johesu will tell u how they always correct a doctor(probably a young graduate) thereby using it to ridicule medics generally..

see Nigeria pharmD telling us only surgery differentiate him, I know u ll never hear that from British PharmD ..
Med lab will tell u them know like a pathologist , now the heat is between them and pathologist as if there consultant med lab can stand with a pathologist in that hospital knowledge wise.

Maybe till the meaning of Medical Doctor sink into johesu head that's wen they will realise the've missed it since..

Take for example in NMA,
a house officer respect register and belief a registral knows more,
a registal belief a consultant knows better, and will always ready to learn from the boss. not d other way round.
so the harmony continue there since respect was given and acknowledged


sometimes ago I was ill and the nurse administering injection to me was so loyal and cool , hearing that am a medic, she was pleased to handle me softly, pet me to eat well, I was happy. the next day I saw a doctor in that health center teaching her some basic skills , i guess the lady nurse was ready to learn and reaspectful..she ll go far than her mate..
meanwhile her mate are somewhere forming beef with doctor

all dsame bro..


enjoy ur day.

lolz .....i don even tire for the argument here..... i hope say bfr u grad, say all health workers wld wrk peacefully so u no go nid to continue the fight for hospital... lolz . do hv a nice day too

Johesu members are clamoring for same basic salary level for level.

Jman06:
I can understand your bias doc. Your medical practice is what is putting food on your table right now, I don't expect objectivity from you on the matter. The plight of physiotherapists will be none of your concern right now.

If I may ask you doc, is medicine studied and practised only here in Nigeria How do medical doctors in the developed world manage to suppress their ego and relate well with other professionals in healthcare despite spending so many years in the university as well Those Canadian doctors that recently protested in favour of increased pay of other healthcare professionals, do they obtain their own medical qualifications from mars??

How do you justify starting a fresh graduate of MBBS in the civil service on grade level 12 while his counterparts who are pharmacists, physiotherapists or optometrists on level 9?? Take time and calculate the difference in terms of salary.

See, you people should stop all these your arguments of writing tough exams and studying hard. We all study hard and write tough exams too! Perhaps you don't know what students of pharmacy go through! They take both practicals and theory courses from the six departments that make up pharmacy, they write tough practical and theory exams every semester for 6 solid years! In some exams, you are required to synthesize a drug, formulate it and package it into a product within a few hours! They also juggle Between clinical rotations and their nonclinical classes. Many fail and get withdrawn along the line.

Talking about respect, nobody gets respected for merely studying a particular course. You are respected based on how you are able to utilize your knowledge to impact your society positively.
Besides, respect is reciprocal. You don't expect other healthcare professionals to respect you when you don't respect them.

If the Nigerian medical doctors want to be respected by other healthcare professionals, they should learn to respect others and their professions. They shouldn't try to open pharmacies and not employ a superintendent pharmacist until PCN comes to close down such pharmacies, they should employ qualified nurses and not train quacks as 'auxiliary nurses', they should respect the medical lab scientists by not employing lab technologists in place of medical lab scientists. The list is endless!
They not only disrespect the professionals by employing quacks, they also endanger patient's lives. Many have died as a result of this malpractice by Nigerian doctors.

Right from pharmacy school, pharmacists are trained on how to respect other healthcare professionals when working in a team. They take special courses in clinical pharmacy that prepares them to work in a team. Unfortunately, our medical doctor friends obviously do not receive such trainings, hence their mindless disrespect of healthcare professionals.

So, if the Nigerian medical doctors are ready for peace to reign in the healthcare sector, they should learn to accord respect to other healthcare professionals. Simple!

Really who says they don't respect....meanwhile note the respect u said is seen in foreign counties is because everyone those his or her job without encroaching on the other....putting the patient as the center of practice.... Everyone respects the others pay package without oju koro to into another's pay.....so please check it....make everybody face hin work abeg