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Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by moshould(m): 11:39am On Feb 08, 2019 |
Then, they should scrap polytechnic and make sure the useless universities Are in good shape and it's enough to occupy the millions of students awaiting to enrol, useless country, always looking for something to segregate people. All the professors in our useless country, how many problems have they solved with their PhD I nfact they need to scrap Nigeria as a country, share the people into the countries they wish to belong. 1 Like |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by kehinde1588(m): 11:42am On Feb 08, 2019 |
BananaTree:State universities in Nigeria are more like private universities, in fact private universities are better than most of the state universities. The universities I am referring to in my statement are federal universities like UNILORIN, UNIBEN, NSUKA and other universities you mentioned. The only joy of attending a federal university is simply because the bigger opportunity it has more than a polytechnic in respect to job opportunities and workplace |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by united442(m): 11:49am On Feb 08, 2019 |
malisah: wow....i love this comment... atleast u have tested both qualifications and see how they operate.. am an HND undergraduate anyway and thinking of DE.. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by Young042galaxy: 11:55am On Feb 08, 2019 |
OlujobaSamuel:And 250 will get you admission to study in any state university n some Northern universities on merit. Why should I go and waste 5yrs instead of 4yrs in university in poly if I have requirements to be admitted in university? |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by kaycexx(m): 11:58am On Feb 08, 2019 |
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Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by Young042galaxy: 11:59am On Feb 08, 2019 |
kehinde1588:Some state universities still rank better than some federal university and boast of good infrastructures too. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by kehinde1588(m): 12:25pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Young042galaxy:You are absolutely right. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by BalogunIdowu(m): 12:52pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
It really doesn't make sense I must confess... There should be no reason after completing HND and still expect an individual to go for BSc, s/he better to into MSc or so Let us value the essence of why this institutions were created! |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by ozo13(m): 12:56pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
calddon:lol |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by asunmoGGMU(m): 1:09pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Even if we are to toe the line of year of study. Technically, to bag your HND is just two years. I am surprised people are comparing "4 years" to "2 years". The two years HND holders spent to have their OND is just a prerequisite for having their HND, people should stop muddling things together. It is just like 0'level results are prerequisite to Bachelor degree. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by Doktajay5: 1:19pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
ProsperChild: so what exactly is wrong in saying that they should add extra certification/training if they wish to go higher than grade level 14. does it not occur to you that B.Sc and HND are product of different curricular?...there things we shouldn't waste our time chasing. i was even worried when i saw the caption, until i read the content.. is fare enough if u ask me. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by kandydude1(m): 1:20pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
All dis poly graduates should calm down na. Wen d university u applied for rejected u, why didn't u try again or if possible try another Uni, instead u hurriedly entered poly, u wan b undergraduate by fire by force. very soon dem go begin fight may poly begin study medicine, law, Economics and even pharmacy. Muna rest abeg, nr add to d problems wey we get for dis country. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by nwosueugeneken: 1:26pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
HND holders in the house be courageous and pray to God to take you to where ur service is needed, in my house a HND holder is taking the lead with good job The dichotomy is one of the reasons our public sector is a total mirage. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by babaireti(m): 1:49pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Poly lecturers would'nt do a thing because they are all university graduates or have you ever seen a poly graduate teaching in poly before? |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by mechanics(m): 1:53pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
But it will surprise you to know that some polytechnic lecturers collect more salaries than professors. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by akinwun(m): 1:59pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
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Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by TruthinAction: 2:01pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
I don't see anything wrong with the policy. It's even a great honour to start a polytechnic graduate at the same level with a university graduate. First, the courses might be the same but the course content is not the same. For example, you can't say someone who read Mechanical Engineering in polytechnic has the same education as the one who read Mechanical engineering in the university. The polytechnic graduate is not subjected to the same academic rigors as the university graduates in most of the courses. Second, the entrance qualifications are not the same. The jamb cut of is not the same. Most people go to polytechnics when they could not meet up with the university requirements. But at the end of the day, they want equal status. Placing them at the same start of point is even an injustice against the university graduates who went through more academic rigors to get their degrees. Please let's call a spade a spade. Stop comparing polytechnic products with that of the university. 1 Like |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by Olumeme: 2:04pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
There's no dichotomy, people are just trying to create confusion. HND and BSc are not the same, BSc is higher in anywhere. If you want to get to where BSc will get to, get one. It's very simple. Some people have told us how polytechnic students are good with practicals, I Told them, no Matter how good and brilliant a nurse is, they cannot be equal to a doctor, it's clear. BSc was made to be boss over HND, just the way IJMB cannot be at par with OND. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by isaacsegun(m): 2:20pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Isobug:lolz....the question I will ask you is, which university did finished from? I attended both poly and uni so I'm in a better position to tell you that university education is well organized in terms of standard than poly. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by Nobody: 2:44pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
kehinde1588: You're correct. But I don't think there are any bigger opportunities anywhere in present day Nigeria for those who have attended prestigious federal universities. The dichotomy is such that even if you attend a mushroom university, you'll still have the edge over a poly graduate. This is ingrained in our belief about them already. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by slimtoney(m): 2:52pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
It is really laughable and disheartening how we move a step forward and two steps backward. The entry level that was harmonized recently between the two holders of these certificates has already been compromised and messed up. In the ministry of of interior right now, a contradicting policy has been implemented which says that having entered the Service at the same level (even though the nomenclature clearly shows that the dichotomy is still there as the cadre reads officers for BSC and INSPECTORATE for holders of HND), few months down the line, Confirmation and Promotion exams is written by both cadres. While this same Exams is used to move the Holders of BSC to the next grade level, their fellow holders of HND are subjected to write another promotion Exams a year later. This has automatically send holders of BSC a step ahead. So where is the policy of same entry level? This is the injustice and less than human treatment holders of this certificate are subjected to. Why setting barriers against the progress of a group of people, why not subject both to test and advance people base on merit. Why the need to unjustly make intellectuals subservient to others on the bases of certificates they acquire and not on their ability to perform on the job. With these undeserved special treatment, I have seen people going out of their way to present fake BSC Certificates. For those who already have issues with self worth, when they are subjected to this kind of maltreatment, they lost it completely and become less of a human in the presence of others. If this must be stopped, all hands have to be on deck. ASUP has to be assertive and the legislative arm has to see the harm this has done and is still doing to the educational system of this nation. 1 Like |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by acorntree(m): 3:11pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
slimtoney: Even ASUP is also being discrimated against . ASUP has been on strike over a month now, did you hear any information about them like ASUU. Polytechnic is seen as second fiddle. The only solution is for the government to upgrade them to degree awarding institution. polytechnic education relevancy has actually becoming relegated. I pity those brilliant students who found themselves doing HND. Bsc in Nigeria is highly overated. Even those with Bsc from muchroom universities still believe they are superior to HND holders as can be seen here. All what you hear is we design, we conceive ideas, we are intellectually sound, we are these, we are that but what's their contribution to development in their field , just boastful, proud. They can't compete internationally with their Bsc but only to remain as local champion . 4 Likes |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by jesmond3945: 3:33pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
OlujobaSamuel:you have to do a pgd before msc. My man with hnd, pgd and msc is planning to do his phd in uk on scholarship. So get information. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by chukky4332: 3:39pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
What is the relevant certificate to rise to level 17. Is it a pgd or BSc |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by Isobug: 3:43pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
isaacsegun:I laugh at you, Since you want to compare which University in Nigeria is better than The University of Akron,USA. Be there and be shinning teeth. Small thing you would want to claim superiority and class. If you must know, I attended a standard poly, Fed poly Idah and I also schooled abroad.thnks |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by anibabes007(m): 3:54pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
kaycexx:Very easy pls call the numbers let's talk bussiness |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by united442(m): 4:35pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
acorntree: u said the raw, naked and bitter truth.. ASUP has bn on strike for some time now,the FG,the society,the medias,no one cares!! |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by armadeo(m): 7:32pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Bigday001: Of the 2 million nairaland accounts this guy has over 1 million. 1 Like |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by Sadiqali24(m): 8:26pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
that's why I'm having regrets of going to college of education but I'm done with it, but who school epp. I wonder why NCE holders will go to the university and spend three years plus the the three years the spend to get the NCE making it six, jeesh I tire for Nigerian Educational System. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by Tlyon(m): 8:45pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
BananaTree:Read to understand my words pls I never mentioned Mr Buhari been the reason, but I did only fault the system which is in use. |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by Nobody: 10:39pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
DonroxyII:I studied mass communication in polytechnic before I moved over to the university and I assure you that what it is you said is nothing but the truth, in poly, they use handout that is quite light, but in the university, their textbooks are rich and heavy, my dad is a lecturer in poly, he actually use my textbooks to teach them, told me that my textbooks are rich in content when compared to polytechnics textbook or handout or whatever it is they use. 2 Likes |
Re: Dichotomy: HND Graduates Can’t Rise Above Grade Level 14 ― FG by Papacypaul(m): 10:41pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
malisah:different people with different experience though , currently in 400lvl civil engineering via special admission too, but save mathematics, the Polytechnic i graduated from drill me more than ABU. I graduated with 4.12 at poly ibadan, and in zaria even though i started first semester of 2018/2019 session in 8th week i made 4.09 coupled with the fact that I missed some test. Also there are dumb student every where, either poly or university. It depends on individual and the Polytechnic you went , one of my special admission mate has 2.20 has cgpa too |
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