please which was the most powerful

Unarguably the Benin empire

Oyo and Benin were great during different times in history. Benin achieved greatness first; but from the late 17th century and in the 18th century before the internal strife in Oyo and pressure from Fulani jihadists, Oyo was definitely greater than Benin.

Nri was never an imperial power, so I don't understand why it is being compared to the other two.

Powerful in what criteria? If it war then Oyo.

RedboneSmith:
Oyo and Benin were great during different times in history. Benin achieved greatness first; but from the late 17th century and in the 18th century before the internal strife in Oyo and pressure from Fulani jihadists, Oyo was definitely greater than Benin.

Nri was never an imperial power, so I don't understand why it is being compared to the other two.

I see because i kicked your ass you decided to lay with the yorubas....

If i ask you to prove this you will fail woefully

If you insist on trying i will give you a doubt


You dont even know benin history not to say oyo but you were so fast to comment

gregyboy:



I see because i kicked your ass you decided to lay with the yorubas....

If i ask you to prove this you will fail woefully

If you insist on trying i will give you a doubt


You dont even know benin history not to say oyo but you were so fast to comment

Lay with Yorubas? You think everyone is a tribalist knucklehead like you who sees everything from the point of taking sides? Your own brother PhysicsQED, the most informed Benin person ever to grace Nairaland, will agree that while Benin was the more powerful empire from the mid-15th century to the mid-17th century, Benin fell on evil days from that period (i.e., the 17th c.) until later in the 18th century, during which Oyo was the more powerful empire.

And you've never kicked anyone's ass on this forum, let alone mine. You are not intelligent enough or knowedgeable enough to.

You were running around on that thread like a headless chicken, incapable of understanding my point and incapable of making yours. Didn't have the time nor the patience to indulge you in your headless chicken game, so I left you there. Go and play with your mates, I am not one.

Remove nri... Those ones didn't have any Empire... But between Benin and Oyo, if u talk abt longevity of both empires , its Benin that has the longest ruling Empire... But as about territories conquered, Oyo has it... And that's what contributed to their early downfall by early 19th century

RedboneSmith:



Lay with Yorubas? You think everyone is a tribalist knucklehead like you who sees everything from the point of taking sides? Your own brother PhysicsQED, the most informed Benin person ever to grace Nairaland, will agree that while Benin was the more powerful empire from the mid-15th century to the mid-17th century, Benin fell on evil days from that period (i.e., the 17th c.) until later in the 18th century, during which Oyo was the more powerful empire.

And you've never kicked anyone's ass on this forum, let alone mine. You are not intelligent enough or knowedgeable enough to.

You were running around on that thread like a headless chicken, incapable of understanding my point and incapable of making yours. Didn't have the time nor the patience to indulge you in your headless chicken game, so I left you there. Go and play with your mates, I am not one.

Now i want to laugh, haha...

The only fall benin had was economic power loss which it lost because of its unending civil which struck various times in 1600Ad, they lost some vassal during this period and regained them back by 1700AD,the Europeans made it know benin fell during this period economically not militarily wise

Benin military were so large that if there was internal crisis it wont affect its military power

Benin economic power fell by 17c ....when the benin monopoly was reduced by influx flow of several European to it shores despite its economical fall it had monopoly over some states despite the economic fall oyo could have not even be richer than benin some niger delta states at this time would even be way far richer than oyo, which probably never existed, if it did exist, benin was trying to expand its economic piwer into further interior when the clash of intrest btw benin and British fell out,


Please go read afc ryder, benin and the Portuguese relationship

Benin never fell militarily throughout till it fell with
The British forces, during 19 century few months before the benin british war, part of benin armies
Where in owo to burn it down by the orders of the oba of benin because they revolted

European saying benin fell had their standard for saying so, benin never fell to the point it would sweat to pull oyo forces down

If you have read samuel johson book on yoruba war, you would see benin played a vital role, supplying military wares to yoruba warriors and even sent forces that defeated the oyo in ekiti.

I dislike people who just read and dont rationalized what they have read it makes them have baked knowledgeable people

1) The point is at what standard did the European consoder benin economic fall or even the military fall,

2)did the benin fall affect or anyway strengthened the oyo empire, the answer is no

3) how true was the oyo economic and military strength in their peak to the benins

4) how varse are you in both knowledge

I see you have little knowledge on benin history TAO11 wouldn't even say this rubbish you spilled up there, because she knows much to spill such errors

Etinosa1234:
Remove nri... Those ones didn't have any Empire... But between Benin and Oyo, if u talk abt longevity of both empires , its Benin that has the longest ruling Empire... But as about territories conquered, Oyo has it... And that's what contributed to their early downfall by early 19th century

Oyo never conquered any empire oyo was formed through social agreements through probably econmic influence, it wanted to strengthen is military when crisis set in, no vassal paid homage to it, it was like sokoto influence on its northern state, just the way we admire america but yet it has no influence on nigeria thats how oyo was to the yoruba states it had no military autonomy over it neither did they pay homage to it, it was only admired just as ife was admired as a religiou cemtre,

Now dont get this wrong dahomey attacked oyo which resulted oyo attacking and subduing it, that is the only war oyo had to fight before the yoruba war broke out


So oyo literally was never an empire....

Etinosa1234:
Remove nri... Those ones didn't have any Empire... But between Benin and Oyo, if u talk abt longevity of both empires , its Benin that has the longest ruling Empire... But as about territories conquered, Oyo has it... And that's what contributed to their early downfall by early 19th century

Nri wasn't an imperial setting but welds much influence visble to this day

what about bini, now cornered to one senatorial district..

Please in whatever binin and yoruba comparison, u guys should stop dragging igbos to such nonsense.

we have nothing in common with both abeg.

make una stop dragging ndigbo to such nonsense abeg.


you guys can compare unasef but leave igbos aside.

Juliusmalema:


Nri wasn't an imperial setting but welds much influence visble to this day

what about bini, now cornered to one senatorial district..

Please in whatever binin and yoruba comparison, u guys should stop dragging igbos to such nonsense.

we have nothing in common with both abeg.

make una stop dragging ndigbo to such nonsense abeg.


you guys can compare unasef but leave igbos aside.

What's this one saying?... . U've gone mute on the other thread after seeing ur ignorance and u have come to display another round of ignorance here
Was nri ever an Empire?
Was it powerful in the eastern region?

In fact , are all igbos from nri?... Is like ur head don dey pain u

No matter how u try to deny it, Benin was once a powerful kingdom and ur tears cannot change it

Goan fight for ur online Biafra and stop disturbing my mentions

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MinorityOpinion:
Powerful in what criteria? If it war then Oyo.

Benin was more powerful because the Portuguese Armed them and they had Portuguese Mercenaries and Military advisers but Oyo had the largest land mass and population. The Oyo were far better Administrators.

After the 17 th Century Benins power went downhill . Ogendenge of Ekiti parapo even captured territory from Benin n the 19th century and the Ijebu drove them out of Lagos after both the Ekiti and Ijebu had both acquired firearm's.

Oyo was more successful than Benin in administration and devolving power to its people and provinces and so was able to administer a larger territory that is why Oyo had several flourishing successful Cities Still existing today including Porto Novo ,Ibadan, Iwo , Abeokuta, Osogbo , Ota,Offa ,Badagry, Ilaro, Ogbomosho, Ilorin, Ilesa, Ijebu , Iwo, Ilaro, Gbogan,Saki Iseyin, Ondo Atakampe(Togo) etc


In short Benin Empire was more Powerful but Oyo was more Successful even leaving strong successor States such as Ibadan , Abeokuta , Ajase (Porto Novo) and Ijebu in place.

A big lesson on the importance of administration and devolution of Power.

gregyboy:


I see because i kicked your ass you decided to lay with the yorubas....

If i ask you to prove this you will fail woefully

If you insist on trying i will give you a doubt

You dont even know benin history not to say oyo but you were so fast to comment

Benin Empire lasted far longer than Oyo. Oyo prospered on slave trade while slave trade was already banned in Benin.

Only the other ethnic groups like Igbo and Yoruba were allowed to buy and sell themselves because they insisted on it.

Benin people Could not buy, be bought or sold or sell anybody. Aside minor slave raids in periphery Benin villages. A fact the French trader Monsieur Landolphe attested to that Benin ethnic group don't do slave trade.

So Oba of Benin does not go to Americas seeking Benin slave descendants.

Benin fought off the Idah people beginning in 1515, preventing islamisation across River Niger. Oyo was still a minor state then. Oyo could not fight off the Jihadists over 300 hundred years later. The current Alaafin is even a Muslim.

So consider many factors in deciding. Reach, duration, current monarchs that came from the ruling houses respectively, influence on areas outside empire's own linguistic group, etc.

Nri could never be seen as an empire at any time in history. More like a priestly state like Ife.

Etinosa1234:


What's this one saying?... . U've gone mute on the other thread after seeing ur ignorance and u have come to display another round of ignorance here
Was nri ever an Empire?
Was it powerful in the eastern region?

In fact , are all igbos from nri?... Is like ur head don dey pain u

No matter how u try to deny it, Benin was once a powerful kingdom and ur tears cannot change it

Goan fight for ur online Biafra and stop disturbing my mentions

In simple terms, compare unasef and leave igbos.


There is nothing in common for such baseless comparison. Historically and culturally, nothing.

Always dragging who no drag them to their nonsense. Mtcheeeeeew
Case closed.

AreaFada2:

Benin Empire lasted far longer than Oyo. Oyo prospered on slave trade while slave trade was already banned in Benin.

Only the other ethnic groups like Igbo and Yoruba were allowed to buy and sell themselves because they insisted on it.

Benin people Could not buy, be bought or sold or sell anybody. Aside minor slave raids in periphery Benin villages. A fact the French trader Monsieur Landolphe attested to that Benin ethnic group don't do slave trade.

So Oba of Benin does not go to Americas seeking Benin slave descendants.

Benin fought off the Idah people beginning in 1515, preventing islamisation across River Niger. Oyo was still a minor state then. Oyo could not fight off the Jihadists over 300 hundred years later. The current Alaafin is even a Muslim.

So consider many factors in deciding. Reach, duration, current monarchs that came from the ruling houses respectively, influence on areas outside empire's own linguistic group, etc.

Nri could never be seen as an empire at any time in history. More like a priestly state like Ife.

Nri was never an empire and need not be and there is no basis for even putting nri here at all.


You binis and Yorubas should not dragging Igbos into una personal historical squabbles, there is no way Igbos fit into any be it Politically, culturally or otherwise. Nothing in common to fit Igbos in.


Compare and drags yourselves mud in historical issues but stop bringing Igbos in. Such history don't exist with Igbos.


Mtcheeeeeew.

Juliusmalema:



In simple terms, compare unasef and leave igbos.


There is nothing in common for such baseless comparison. Historically and culturally, nothing.

Always dragging who no drag them to their nonsense. Mtcheeeeeew
Case closed.

Inferiority complex is worrying u...

The question compared between 3 kingdoms... But ur insecurity is making u think I'll be bothered abt ur tribe... Abeg.. go sleep.. u dey find talj

I think it is the Arochukwu Confederacy that fought the British he may have wanted to mention

Etinosa1234:


Inferiority complex is worrying u...

The question compared between 3 kingdoms... But ur insecurity is making u think I'll be bothered abt ur tribe... Abeg.. go sleep.. u dey find talj

inferiority complex kwa?

hian

you don't compare what is not existing. You only compare things that are common not unrelated things with nothing in common.

That's the point.

Juliusmalema:


inferiority complex kwa?

hian

you don't compare what is not existing. You only compare things that are common not unrelated things with nothing in common.

That's the point.

What is this idiot saying for God sake

Etinosa1234:


What is this idiot saying for God sake

You heard me right. Yorubas (oyo) and bini ( edo) should stop dragging igbos to their historical affiliations and camparison.

There is no basis for such comparison.

Juliusmalema:


You heard me right. Yorubas (oyo) and bini ( edo) should stop dragging igbos to their historical affiliations and camparison.

There is no basis for such comparison.

Anambra is not igbo.. Anambra is Igala.. You should know that already

okpalaAnambra:

Anambra is not igbo.. Anambra is Igala.. You should know that already

My Abia brother, I don land. Let's roll

okpalaAnambra:
Anambra is not igbo.. Anambra is Igala.. You should know that already

Stop following me around pls.
Before you infect me with bile and poison sane mind like me.

Juliusmalema:



Nri was never an empire and need not be and there is no basis for even putting nri here at all.


You binis and Yorubas should not dragging Igbos into una personal historical squabbles, there is no way Igbos fit into any be it Politically, culturally or otherwise. Nothing in common to fit Igbos in.


Compare and drags yourselves mud in historical issues but stop bringing Igbos in. Such history don't exist with Igbos.

Mtcheeeeeew.

Like it or not, there were Igboid people within umbrella of Benin Empire. As slave trader reports showed. They along with yoruboid subjects reached an agreement with Benin authorities to allow them buy and sell themselves only. Even Olaudah Equiano made it clear he was a Benin citizen of Igbo ethnicity.

If Igbo now say he was too young to know such political details, then he was too young too to know that he was Igbo or from West Africa at all. He could also have fabricated an Igbo name and could have been bought in Congo, Gold Coast or Angola.

Today we wish Igbo good luck in their Biafra quest, but it doesn't change history.

Abia1stS0N:



My Abia brother, I don land. Let's roll

Who's your brother? Do I like like Abia man... I'm from Osu state of Anambra and we Anambra people are igalas

Juliusmalema:


Stop following me around pls.

Before you infect me with bile and poison sane mind like me.

I will continue to remind u that Obiano should stop wearing the igbo red cap because he's not igbo.. He's igala

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okpalaAnambra:

Who's your brother? Do I like like Abia man... I'm from Osu state of Anambra and we Anambra people are igalas

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Now come let's discuss about our shithole cursed backward useless worthless Abia state.

https://www.nairaland.com/6165324/abia-state-cursed-indigenes-caused

AreaFada2:


Like it or not, there were Igboid people within umbrella of Benin Empire. As slave reader reports showed. They along with yoruboid subjects reached an agreement with Benin authorities to allow them buy and sell themselves only. Even Olaudah Equiano made it clear he was an Benin citizen of Igbo ethnicity.

If Igbo now say he was too young to know such political details, then he was too young too to know that he was Igbo or from West Africa at all. He could also have fabricated an Igbo name and could have been bought in Congo, Gold Coast or Angola.

Today we wish Igbo good luck in their Biafra quest, but it doesn't change history.

Thanks for wishing ndigbo the best in biafra. same way you should erase all those non comformable histories and stop bringing igbos to u guys bini and yoruba historical disagreement.


You guys should sort yourselves out.

gregyboy:



I see you have little knowledge on benin history TAO11 wouldn't even say this rubbish you spilled up there, because she knows much to spill such errors

talking about Tao11, I haven't heard from her for a some time now.

what sup with her?

please should you see this, please know that am greeting you.

Christistruth00:
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Benin was more powerful because the Portuguese Armed them and they had Portuguese Mercenaries and Military advisers but Oyo had the largest land mass and population. The Oyo were far better Administrators.

After the 17 th Century Benins power went downhill . Ogendenge of Ekiti parapo even captured territory from Benin n the 19th century and the Ijebu drove them out of Lagos after both the Ekiti and Ijebu had both acquired firearm's.

Oyo was more successful than Benin in administration and devolving power to its people and provinces and so was able to administer a larger territory that is why Oyo had several flourishing successful Cities Still existing today including Porto Novo ,Ibadan, Iwo , Abeokuta, Osogbo , Ota,Offa ,Badagry, Ilaro, Ogbomosho, Ilorin, Ilesa, Ijebu , Iwo, Ilaro, Gbogan,Saki Iseyin, Ondo Atakampe(Togo) etc


In short Benin Empire was more Powerful but Oyo was more Successful even leaving strong successor States such as Ibadan , Abeokuta , Ajase (Porto Novo) and Ijebu in place.

A big lesson on the importance of administration and devolution of Power.

Benin power never went downhill that oyo became economically richer and militarily stronger than it, at 17 century the oba of benin economic monopoly was hauled, but later regained it back by the end of the century

Ogendegbe attacked edo territories in search of slaves to raid, news getting to benin on reaching the oba he sent an esan warlord to displace ogendegbe and his men out of those areas and they fled till ogendegbe was later captured by the British forces,
Never a time was edo military power or economic power weaker than oyo, the military and economic power of benin was way way stronger than oyo, benin economic decline in 16 never altered it prospects or shaked the empire, it only affect is wealth compare to previous years
As experienced by the Europeans


Oyo on the other hand was a fast growing kingdom in the 17c, it never got to the stage on empire before it was sacked by fulanis, the kingdom prospered on slaves raids and soon gained recognition by various yoruba state not through military conquest persay, but rather through social influence, some yoruba territories did pay homage to it willingly for military protection, but they maintained thier various autonomy, the alafin couldn't dictate for them as they maintained thier political autonomy,
Oyo kingdom grew subsequently through social recognition and admiration, and so many inflow of foreigners hoping to strengthen the kingdom

The political system of oyo was quack thats why various disunity arose, the military was very weak and thats why various kingdom wanted to sack it, at the time dahomey raided oyo for slave it was not even a kingdom then, but oyo forces managed to pull through this is to tell you how weak the military power was
Calling oyo an empire as an over exaggeration

I will tell you why

Ijebu and various other yorubas the European eccounterd. during the oyo reigned seems not to have told the Europeans that they were overlorded by a ruler, they had traded with the Europeans with pure autonomy which would not be possible if oyo had ruled over these yoruba states they claimed they overlorded

And again oyo influence during his reigned was really not noticeable by the Europeans if indeed it was influential or was an empire at these times, even when European visited oyo this period they see not to notice it influence even in the heart of oyo town

Was oyo really an empire or an over exaggerated mythical empire to save yoruba historical face

Oyo was a kingdom and shouldnt in a way be compared to benin, benin way ahead of oyo in all ramphication

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talking about Tao11, I haven't heard from her for a some time now.

what sup with her?

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If schools have resumed in the u.s then she is probably attending classes or she is digging out my assignments