sino:


Lol, save us from lies and dogma of religion cos we would regret such at what point?! Abeg educate us, is it when we die?!

When you were a Muslim, you called to believe in Allah and worship, now you call to the believe in nothing. Well, believe in nothing apparently doesn't have anything, and thus you have nothing to promote your unbelief with, you are stuck with bashing faith and those who believe. At the end of the day, your unbelief leads to nothing, pure emptiness! No value, totally nothing! The fact is, if you really have found something special (beneficial), you all would have moved on, you would rather be engaged in discussing this special thing, but you guys can't!

Wouldn't it be strange if a supposed wealthy individual keeps talking about poverty and when asked to give alternatives/solutions, he keeps bashing poverty (poverty na bastard) rather than talking about wealth creation?! If you are wise, you would know such a supposed wealthy person is a fraud! "Awon eyan hushpuppy!"

What or where does your beliefs leads to?

"It is He who has made you successors upon the earth. And whoever disbelieves - upon him will be [the consequence of] his disbelief. And the disbelief of the disbelievers does not increase them in the sight of their Lord except in hatred; and the disbelief of the disbelievers does not increase them except in loss." (Qur'an 35:39)

" Say, "Shall we invoke instead of Allah that which neither benefits us nor harms us and be turned back on our heels after Allah has guided us? [We would then be] like one whom the devils enticed [to wander] upon the earth confused, [while] he has companions inviting him to guidance, [calling], 'Come to us.' " Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance; and we have been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds." (Qur'an 6:71)

And Allah seal disbelievers from believing and so increases in their disbelieve just to punish them.

sino:
O ga o, after you guys have left Islam and disbelieved in God, you all still find a way to blame Islam and God that according to you doesn't exist, for all your disbeliefs?! Incredible!

You all will quote and quote to suit your confirmation bias...

When Muslims quote other verses that shows Allah's Mercy, and how eager to accept repentance of those who sincerely do, regardless of their atrocities, you would ignore, because you guys aren't ready for any useful discussion, but rather prove your disbeliefs!

You guys aren't being ingenious with all these your lamentations and rants about religion and God, same old stuff, it's so boring!

Allah guide those that seek for repentance and keep making others disbelieve just to punish them.

Xmuslim:


There is an hadith (reference on request) that says whoever Allah wish well, he made the understanding of Islam easy for him.

Does this mean that Allah does not wish some people well

Thousands of things is wrong with Islam wallai. I was very foolish to defend this religion for years

Spot on.

Someone has quoted out a similar verse from the Qur'an.

Allah is the one guiding people and making people go astray.

Allah is the one making people not to believe and even increase their disbelieve just to punish them eternally.

This all shows that Allah is just malevolent, he's the one planning everything, there's no freewill.

But then Muslims will find some ridiculous excuse for this.

Rashduct4luv,

What if Allah(if he exist) is the one blocking me from believing since he's the one blocking disbelievers from believing? Who's to be hold responsible?

Rashduct4luv:


So they were disbelievers in Allah (just like you) then Allah then set a seal on their heart. So what is the problem here?

“Allaah has set a seal upon their hearts because of their disbelief”
[al-Nisaa’ 4:155]

“So when they turned away (from the path of Allaah), Allaah turned their hearts away (from the Right Path)”
[al-Saff 61:5]

I just asked some questions in the OP, you should have go straight answering that instead of stressing me to quote out the verses. Xmuslim was right but then I've to grant his request. Anyways.

So how can they believe when he has set a seal on their heart, ear, eyes from believing?

If Allah truly want them saved why then he has to seal their heart from believing, a possibility in the future?

Isn't Allah infringing someone's freewill here by sealing/determine his disbelieve?

Xmuslim:
don't you know the verse exist. Reference is only important for two reasons
1. For academic purpose
2. For someone that doubt a claim.

If you know the verse exist, just defend it sir instead of asking for a reference

I have quoted it out for people that want to know.

He demanded for reference then he has to have it.

And it's funny how these statements started in the early beginning of the Qur'an. The writers actually played on people psychology(in case of people that disbelieve).

Rashduct4luv:


Can you quote the verse(s)?

Sura Baqarah.

1. Alif, Lam, Meem.

2. This is the Book in which there is no doubt, a guide for the righteous.

3. Those who believe in the unseen, and perform the prayers, and give from what We have provided for them.

4. And those who believe in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed before you, and are certain of the Hereafter.

5. These are upon guidance from their Lord. These are the successful.

6. As for those who disbelieve—it is the same for them, whether you have warned them, or have not warned them—they do not believe.

7. God has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. They will have a severe torment.

8. Among the people are those who say, “We believe in God and in the Last Day,” but they are not believers.

9. They seek to deceive God and those who believe, but they deceive none but themselves, though they are not aware.

10. In their hearts is sickness, and God has increased their sickness. They will have a painful punishment because of their denial.

11. And when it is said to them, “Do not make trouble on earth,” they say, “We are only reformers.”

12. In fact, they are the troublemakers, but they are not aware.

13. And when it is said to them, “Believe as the people have believed,” they say, “Shall we believe as the fools have believed?” In fact, it is they who are the fools, but they do not know.

14. And when they come across those who believe, they say, “We believe”; but when they are alone with their devils, they say, “We are with you; we were only ridiculing.”

15. It is God who ridicules them, and leaves them bewildered in their transgression.

16. Those are they who have bartered error for guidance; but their trade does not profit them, and they are not guided.

17. Their likeness is that of a person who kindled a fire; when it illuminated all around him, God took away their light, and left them in darkness, unable to see.

18. Deaf, dumb, blind. They will not return.

Xmuslim:


Yes Allah did it. Infact there is an hadith in sahih buhari where Muhammad said this:

After the creation of Adam, Allah remove progeny from the right side and says they will end up in jannah, he remove others from his left and says they will end up in hell fire. I think (not sure) the hadith ended with and this act didn't bother Allah.

Some apologists justify this by saying that Allah already knew what people would do in their life time and thus, he knew those that would be righteous.

My question is, why didn't hadith specify this?. Why are we hearing it from Muslims?. Second question is why did Allah allows those people to commit crime that would end them in hell if he's indeed merciful.

Allah even says he created some people for hell. Wtf. Why is Allah that wicked (not a blasphemy but a fact). Do we look like a toy to him that he just created some of us for fire?

If Allah exist, he's malevolent.

The Qur'an said Allah set a seal on disbelievers not to believe, that no matter how you warn them or preach to them they won't believe, Allah even increases their disbelieve so that they will be punished.

This can be found in Sura Baqarah.

My questions are,

- Did Allah really wants people to be saved?

- If Allah sealed someone's heart not to believe, how then can he/she believe?

- Is there freewill here?

IMAliyu:

Usually feeling a disconnect from emotions could be a sign of depression, stress, or anxiety.

Kinda went through a similar thing back in secondary school and still have some of the residue of that to this day, like when I got the news when my grandfather passed away I couldn't feel anything (and I liked the man) and I just went back to sleep while everyone was trying to console each other, or when my best friend was having feats of paranoia and later hospitalised for cerebral malaria I still couldn't feel anything, don't get me wrong was I around for him, but my lack of reaction or emotion when I got the news disturbs me to this day.
I started wondering why, and thinking something is most definitely wrong.

Emotions on some level is what connects people and helps build relationships (On a biological level even kinda like the reason a mother doesn't abandon her infant no matter how annoying or demanding they can get, interestingly enough the evolutionary argument for why women are more compassionate than men). When you can't display any emotion people have a hard time relating with you or reading you and thus may call you non human. The reason psychopaths are dangerous is they can convincingly fake emotional expressions and have no ability for empathy.

There are people who can't express their emotions like wailing and crying like some people do but doesn't mean they don't have emotions, they mostly do it secretly. I don't think that's a psychological issue, it's just your own way of expressing your emotions.

A psychological issue is when one doesn't have any emotions at all e.g a sociopath, psychopath.

Xmuslim:


Yes the hadith does not make sense. As a former sunni Muslim, I was thought that Allah stays above the seventh heaven and his arsh is on water. Although, he is present everywhere with his knowledge. However, the hadith claims that he comes to the 1st heaven physically.

Concerning seven evens and seven earth. The interpretation of the early scholars before science is simple - 6 other skies similar to the one above us, but only the one above us contain stars. Infact, they believed the stars are attached to the sky because they thought the sky is a solid body. Also, they believed, there are 6 more earth below us.

It's the advent of science that lead today's scholar to different rẹ-interpretation. Muhammad himself will be surprised to hear all these re-interpretation.

Of course Muhammad and his people then thoughts the earth was flat with the way they narrated the world, many religions and cultures believed the earth was flat only some few people like the early Greek philosophers someone like Aristotle discovered it was spherical but most people don't believe them. Even Galileo was imprisoned by the church for saying the earth was not flat but move round the sun.

Muhammad(in Qur'an) said the heaven and Earth were together and separated. They actually believed there were no galaxies, planets, other solar systems.

Xmuslim:
you are entitled to your opinion.

Allah use our 24hrs to calculate fasting and many other thing, but when hadith fails, he doesn't use our 24hrs

So which time is he using when descending to lower earth in the last part of the night. Muhammad even said Allah leaves by fajr. So which time is he using . I'm sure you would observe nawafil and prayer during those time thinking Allah is listening to you at the lowest heaven. Common, this is too simple sir.

Now the flat earth argument I brought. The hadith would not have any problem if the earth is flat, because Allah would come and go by fajr as indicated in the hadith. But now that the earth is spherical, Allah will have to go to another country's lowest heaven once he finish with Nigeria, and this will repeat itself till eternity. Thus, Allah would be living in the lowest heaven forever. From Nigeria to Canada to USA to Jamaica to Italy and so on.

If you still don't get it, I'm sorry I can't explain more than this.

I would gladly accept defeat if I were you. But the difference between us is that you have accepted that every sahih hadith are from Muhammad and Muhammad can never make mistakes because he receives guidance from Allah. So I understand why you are fighting so hard to defend the undefendable error in the hadith. I wish you good luck sir

If I sound insultive forgive me pls. I don't mean it

Allah even created the world in 6 days like he was following a measured time. But Yeah he doesn't use time and not in a space.

I don't know how muslims don't see the absurdity and contradictions in their argument.

Xmuslim:
what you should think of is why would such a smart fellow drop the religion that he once defended. He love hell fire? Hell NO. HE MUST HAVE SEEN SOME SECRETS THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN

You even have time to respond to him.

IMAliyu:
2012 wow.

It's even embarrassing seeing this thread.

But I purposely leave them and keep using my monicker as my past evidence I was a Muslim apologist.

Hardebaryor:
wow. You were even a Muslim. What a sad loss!

Ehhyaa.

LabuleofNigeria:


The posts in the forwarded link gives a disclosure of a poor of Intelligent Quotient (IQ) from you.
Its either you dont understand English or you are begining to portray symptoms of brain hemorrhage (BH).
(no insults intended).

Please learn the differences and meaning of the terms; "verses" and "Qur'an"
"Verses" were not promised to be preserved. The "Qur'an" was promised to be preserved and so it is.

Smh!

Xmuslim:
Some Muslim scholars claim that the ayah of rajm (stoning) was abrogated in the text, but it is still applicable. This is a big joke.

Let's reason together

Why would Allah or Muhammad abrogated a verse and still tell us to enforce it. What's the essence of the abrogation.

Why not abrogated verses that are no more in use such as the drinking of bear verse.

The fact remains that the prophet companions were unable to compile everything they heard from Muhammad into the Qur'an that we have today due to one reason or the other

I've always known this and raised this issues in the past that the Qur'an wasn't preserved as claim by Muslims. The compiled one Muslims even read today is not totally original in what Muhammad even wrote.
https://www.nairaland.com/3678762/why-alis-compilation-quran-rejected

Yasir Qadhi is popular Muslim scholar admitted and said there are holes and problems with Qur'an preservation, that any students of Qur'an knows this. He said this in an interview with Muhammad Hijab.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d225z-Yn0vk

Hardebaryor:
Candace Owens, a victim of feminism lamented at the Young Women Leadership Summit (2019) saying:

"I learned too late that feminism was a scam. Today, I'm 55, I'm unmarried, and I've passed the age I can have children. I have to take medicine to help keep me happy and my medication. That is the scam of feminism. If there is anything I could go back and do; I would have warned myself against the scam of feminism."

Feminism is not a scam, infact feminism fought for women's rights they're enjoying today e.g the rights to vote, education, politics, work etc

Feminism is not a scam, give them a good credit for what they've done in history.

Feminism didn't tell any woman not to marry, it's only about fighting for women rights.

Merriam Webster dictionary defines feminism as

1: The belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities,

2: Organized activity in support of women's rights and interests

*Similar Terms:* #women liberation #womanism #Feminism #gender equality #Equalism

Correct.

I wonder where it says not to marry in this definition.

Without an iota of doubt, the feminism idea is antithetical to major world religions, more particularly - Islam. The feminist concept is alien to the Muslim world. In fact, it is not wrong to consider the term "Muslim feminist" as a suitable example of a paradox.

Yes it's very oxymoron to use "Muslim feminists". Islam is a patriarch Religion that degrade women, a misogynistic Religion at it best.

I created a thread on this.
https://www.nairaland.com/5940207/muslim-feminists-oxymoron

With only a few Qur'an verses, the feminism propaganda is utterly deconstructed, and a "Muslim feminist" may have to choose between Islam and feminism. Certainly, the two beliefs are mutually exclusive.

Yes.

However, in this modern age, it becomes pertinent to resist the feminism movement not only from theological approaches but also via appropriate scientific criticisms. This often reveals why the call to "gender-equalism" is unnatural, irrational, and dysfunctional.

You definitely don't understand feminism. It's about "equal rights" not "sex equality". Humans in general are not equal, we've different abilities we can do, so we're all not equal but to have equal rights? That's what feminism is fighting for and I see nothing wrong with this ideology.

Thence, this article seeks to flaw the growing trend of feminism activism vis-a-vis a science-based approach.

Ok, let's see.

1. Human biology

Agitating for 'equality of gender' is like crying over the spilled milk. Naturally, both physical and physiological features of the two sexes differ a great deal and no amount of surgery or transplants can make a woman become a man (and vice versa). Each sex was designed to perform specific but complementary roles toward achieving the general goals.

If gender binary is truly a social construct as claimed by some feminists, why shouldn't the campaign include "Say no to Female Menses," because the male counterpart is free of periodic menstrual discharge? In addition, none of their campaigns has ever featured "Men must carry a pregnancy," at least to share the antenatal burdens. The point here is; if you can't fight against the natural difference in sex, then why protesting against the difference in rights and responsibilities.

According to Aurora Sola' (a pro-feminist):

"The feminist project has been worn down by the anti-scientific attempt to sweep sex differences under the rug, and we have misguidedly set for ourselves the goal of equal representation in certain attractive professions."

It's either you don't get the ideology of feminism or you're just being deluded.

Man and woman are not biologically structured the same way, we have some slight differences in biological features. But is this what feminism are fighting for? No.

Again, like the definition, feminism is about equal right and opportunities in the society, work, home, education etc. Women should be giving the equal opportunities as men. In Saudi Arabia women were not allowed to drive cars because they're "women", they didn't give them the open opportunity to drive cars but with the women right groups in Saudi and global they pressured Saudi give women rights to drive even tho these women rights group in Saudi were arrested.

Now women in Saudi have same rights and opportunities as men to drive cars. You can see the positive struggle of women rights activists.

2. Physics - electricity

Before electricity can become useful, two dedicated pairs of the cable must come together, each performing specific roles. The live wire (+ve in battery source) carries current to the appliance while the neutral wire (-ve) completes the circuit and carries current away from the appliance.

Practically, if men and women should have equal rights and play equal roles, instability sets in. Rather, a gender-based division of labor guarantees high productivity at a reduced cost.

This doesn't make any sense.

Again and again feminism is Opportunities to have equal rights and that opportunities doesn't mean there can't be division of labor nor crumble anything, feminism is saying give women the opportunities as men for a position and if she passes and worthy good for her let her have the position, not because she's a woman she should be deprived from applying for a position. That's oppression!!

3. Automobile vehicles

In moving a vehicle, the driver controls the wheel. Any attempt to wrestle the steering with the driver leads to an accident. Passengers cum passers-by can only be of a guide.

Similarly, a man is socially designated as the family head in most cultures, he steers and moves the family. Wives and children can only make inputs where necessary. This brings about decorum and minimizes confusion. Emulating the "driver-passenger" relationship is sacrosanct for peace to reign. A family where husband and wife enjoy the same rights and perform similar roles can never be progressive even if such marriage is sustainable.

What makes a man the head? Who gave the men to lead in the society? Did the society naturally structured itself or it was created?

Some Women are breadwinners of their home, they earn alot than men in the home and contributes alot, can she be the head of the home? Logically yes, she's worthy of it and If you say no, give any logical reasons why she can't be the head when she's the breadwinner.

Or tell us what logicallly makes the head of a home?

4. Sports - Soccer

In football, we're yet to find a team of 11 men playing against a team of 11 women in the same tournament. The same goes for athletic, boxing, and wrestling games. On the contrary, what we find is women wrestling with men over juicy administrative posts. This gives the impression of the fight against gender discrimination to be absolutely selective.

When will FIFA allow men and women to play football together?

In replying this question, www.quora.com states:

"Never. Unfortunately, you can say what you want about gender equality and all that, but Men are much fit physically than women. Look at the Olympics for example. Watch the Men’s 100m sprint final, it’s faster than women’s 100m final. Watch the weightlifting. Men can lift heavier weights than women. If men and women were allowed to play together, nothing would change. I’m sure some of the top elite females would make it into lower league teams, but the top leagues would remain 100% male. Sorry feminists."

Again I've said it that physically men and women aren't the same, it's ridiculous to put a male boxer against a female boxer.

Now the opportunity of feminism here is to allow women participate in athletic sports, we've seen women in boxing, MMA fights, weight lifting, football, race etc, can an average man fight a female boxer? No, it's a death sentence, a female boxer is trained to fight, she's worthy of it, an average man wasn't trained probably doesn't have interest or worthy to take up the role.

Can a male boxer fight average man? No, that again a death sentence.

My point is, all humans aren't equal, a man and a man are not even equal to begin with but what feminism wants is EQUAL RIGHTS AND OPPORTUNITY.

5. War and Armed forces

Perhaps, the feminists' battle for equal rights and opportunity is limited to selective areas of interest. Currently, men still dominate the military forces of every nation. It seems the feminists fear death, they prefer men being on the danger line. The statistics of women in the biggest armies around the world shows

China: 5%
India: 3%
U.S.A: 16%
Russia: 10%

Nonetheless, a larger proportion of women serving in the military are consigned to medical work and desk jobs, barred from ground combats. In an article titled "Gender inequality in the military service," Joao Carlos and Sofia Menezes noted as follows:

"Recent scientific research has evidenced that women still represent a growing minority in most Western militaries. Women’s integration deserves equal opportunities across all branches and levels of responsibility in the military, however, their expansion to ground combat roles is still a challenge to the military and policy-makers."

Have you read about the Dahomey warriors? They were all female military fighters fighting wars. Why is so? Because they were giving opportunities to participate in wars.

Yes men dominates the military probably because they've more abilities to participate in this field, but should women be deprived from this position? No, they should be giving opportunities reason a woman can sign up to be an army and trained. Most women in the military war zone go for airforce, women rights are still fighting for many women to participate in ground combats as many are ready for it.

Summary:

Feminism emerged as a social struggle seeking to protect the rights of women regardless of cultural and religious standards. More disappointingly, the philosophy of the movement is irreconcilable with natural and scientific facts. The claim that men and women must be accorded the same rights and opportunities in every aspect of life is far from reality. Besides frustrated females and indoctrinated males, who else embrace feminism?

By: Abu Mar'yam Hanafi Abdulkadri

If you were born in the past, you will know that women can't vote, go to school, work, go for political posts, earn properties, become leaders etc if not for feminism you won't be enjoying what you're enjoying today as a woman, you would probably be in the kitchen and satisfying a man in the bedroom, you would have very limit right and opportunities to do things.

So kindly read about feminism and it history and stop making this bias ignorant claims. The ideology isn't bad at all.

LabuleofNigeria:


Your post is dead on arrival

Has anyone forced you to call Allah the "Greatest" ?
Has anyone stopped you from calling/giving yourself the name/title of an "Atheist" ?
Have you for once been arrested by any police for not calling Allah the greatest ?
It is a free world, if you like, call your father the greatest. Everyone has rights to his/her beliefs.

If curiosity demands you to know why Muslims call him "The Greatest", then become one.
Only naughty pigs use science (physical evidence, logic & theories) to approve religion (believe in unseen).
"Believes" are personal entities and can only be proven by "Self conviction"

Unwise post!

ok.

I often hear muslims saying Allah is the greatest which is "Allahu Akbar" on a daily bases.

Is there any "evidence" and "logic" connecting to Allah being great or the greatest apart from the "claims" in the Qur'an and Hadith? Proof what measure his greatness.

It's only Muslims that's making Allah the greatest, take Muslims away and no knows about Allah being great. Anybody can claim anything is the greatest under faith and beliefs, so what evidence and logic makes Allah the greatest?

kozmokaz:
Growing up I was made to believe that of someone dies by drowning, they will have to bury him/her near the water ? How true is this ?

It's just superstitions, no reasonable explanation on why they do the practice.

ukaface:
that's what makes it AFRICA.

Yeah, backward continent.

Xmuslim:
now you are talking

Some post doesn't deserve response. Lol

Maximus69:


According my the Bible "delusion" is when intelligent creatures come together as a group but after all said and done there is no benefit that results from their gathering!

So compare the definition of my Bible with that of your dictionary and have a rethink!
I know your Dictionary will monopolize it as in saying it refers to one person, but let's use our own brains to judge.
We can see an ant roming up and down but since we don't know it's mission we will conclude it's just purposeless. But when ants come together as a group then we will see that they do benefit themselves despite their inability to speak.
So if tiny creatures like ants can come together and work out what benefits them, please how do you explain what happens to humans when we can't do better?

Rather humans keep inventing destructive devices daily to wipe themselves of the surface of the earth. And with all your dictionaries there is no single group of people who have come to reason amongst themselves to eradicate killings and stop building weapons, except those who trust in the Bible (JWs) that formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers and there is no single nation where they've not touched to bring out people to agree with this idea!

Please tell me sincerely speaking if the definition of your dictionary is of any benefit beside that of such a book!

k.