toba: of course. bring it on. how many more do u have? Lagosshia. ride on. Log out out account and quickly log in the other, just to show ur hatred for christianity.

crazy people!

logicboy

thread originally posted today in the other section:

https://www.nairaland.com/1142311/christmas-islamic-republic-iran-iraq

Christmas Celebration as Sign of Tolerance and Co-existence Representing the True Image of Islam in Another Country in Which the Majority Practice "True Islam" (Shia Islam) - in Iraq

Shia Muslim Leader,Sayyid Ammar al-Hakim, the leader of the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council address the Iraqi Christians faithful during a Christmas Eve mass at St. Joseph's Chaldean Church in central Baghdad, Iraq, Monday, Dec. 24, 2012. Iraqi Christians gathered for Christmas Eve services amid tight security. The exact number of Christians remaining in Iraq is not known, but it has fallen sharply from as many as 1.4 million before the U.S.-led invasion nearly a decade ago. Community leaders believe there are about 400,000 to 600,000 Christians left in the country, according to figures from the U.S. State Department.

http://features.rr.com/photo/0b9xglD4DSbko?q=Iraq

"We very badly need the message of tolerance which was launched by Christ (peace be upon him) and for which he strove"-Sayyid Ammar al-Hakim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fos6P2TcxnQ

abdul4hire: may Allahs blessing be upon the prophet and his noble companions
@ zhul fiqar;
All these are unfounded and the work of those trying to divide Islam through lies and manipulation of the people.

Its unfortunate u have followed the path of misguidance and arguing or attempting to debunk what u r propagating is a waste of time for they lack basis.

May Allah guide u to what is pure,Islam as understood by our salaf(companions and pious predecessors) remove the disease in ur heart and replace with love for those the Prophet Muhammed SAW loved and those he praised... at least say amiin and dont reply with hate...

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the legacy of Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul-Wahhab and their wahhabism/salafism :

"A Timeline Of Sectarian Terrorism Against Shia Muslims"
https://www.nairaland.com/961495/timeline-sectarian-terrorism-against-shia

"Genocide Of Shia Muslims In Pakistan"
https://www.nairaland.com/1120418/genocide-shia-muslims-pakistan

"Terrorist Plot To Bomb Imam Ali Mosque,Assasinate Ayat. Sistani Foiled"
https://www.nairaland.com/1126860/terrorist-plot-bomb-imam-ali

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r-Y8abt_c8

Ayatollah Kamal al-Haidary obviously mistook the wrong selection.there is enough documented proof for Ibn Taymiyya's hatred for the Ahlul-Bayt (as),which includes Sayyida Fatima (as),and Ibn Taymiyya's Ummayyad legacy in showing animosity for Imam Ali (as) and his descendants.have fun:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml5R_alxLG8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaEunjfIfVU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeLo8GbKJZw

BetaThings:
I have issues who dislike Aisha. Allah will judge ALL of us on the day of Qiyama. I am I safe hellfire? I don't know. So why judge anyone

Imam Amir-ul-Mu'mineen Ali [a] said: "O' Kumayl! Say what is just in any condition. Be friends with the righteous and avoid the evil doers, stay away from the hypocrites and do not accompany the treacherous."

Mustadrak-ul-Wasa'il, vol. 12, p. 197

The answer to your questions are already in the story. Watch the movie again

what's the punishment for someone who doesn't pray in the sharia.simple question.tell us.

The same person states different position on the same issue. Refute the poster if you truly believe that the Shia Scholar might have been distorted. To me, he is a liar. So the dream about the people who did not pray is in the same class

someone says he saw a dream,and you are accusing him of lying about the dream.are you ok?

Kailani, the author of Al Kafi, no less a figure, believes that the Qur'an was distorted

liar!

https://www.nairaland.com/860351/shiahs-not-believe-present-quran#10097518

A grand Mufti is a human being, very fallible.
Some scholars have been known to disagree with the Grand Mufti

so how come a school is named in saudi arabia in honor of yazid if the mufti was mistaken? the position that yazid was a "legitimate" ruler and Imam Hussein (as) was "wrong" is the prevailing view among the tiny wahhabis/salafists among Sunnis.

It is Shias that call people Wahhabis. Even your brother, LagosShia, has called me WhhabiThing
I don't know people who call themselves Wahhabis. Neither do I know that Wahhabiya movement

deception.

The hardest people to convince ever, in my opinion and experience, are the Shias. They never concede anything!

liar!

BetaThings: Trying to explain away the lie in the 2nd video does YOU no credit
The man apologised for his lies. So what is the point in defending it?
If you continue like this, you will only end up achieving the opposite of every intention you have

https://www.nairaland.com/1140610/wahhabism-exposed#13518361

The so-called Wahhabis tell me that Shias too are very dangerous to Islam.
Shias are not infallible. Why have you never brought any evidence of such a disreputable act by Shias to balance all of these?
I would believe you more if you show that the Shias are human!

no they are "monsters".

BetaThings:


What is the main issue? T[b]his thread is about nature of Shia Islam as the true way[/b]
A man welcomed very warmly people who claimed to be muslims and later turned them out because they did not pray. It is claimed that he committed a sin. So why is he entitled to forgiveness while Aisha is not qualified.
And LagosShia, the leader of NL Shias have consistently said that it is Sunnis that have all these confusing positions on issues. He asserts that you are united in your views. You never contested that when he was around. Please withdraw that claim that it is only some Shias that abuse Aisha.
I don't really want to run around NL trying to digest all these threads.

you are still insisting on taking us to the topic of Aisha.Aisha is disliked by all Shia.as for the issue of abuse,that is a big term.our dislike can manifest in different ways.however,in order not to offend Sunnis,we are taught to avoid talking about her because there is nothing good to remember when you consider all she did in a balanced way free from favor or fear.what the followers or rather associates of Sheikh Yasser al-Habib are doing by commemorating on the day she died as a day of joy is basically to piss Sunnis,nothing more nothing less.i dont even know when Aisha died and i dont even care.it is nothing important.Sheikh Yasser al-Habib was exiled from his native Kuwait by Sunnis (or if you like to depict their extremism,call them wahhabis/salafists).his citizenship was revoked.he has issues that are also personal.so exercise some understanding on the facts here.

So what is it?

if you want someone to change his ways or bad habit,like not praying or taking prayers lightly,you need to talk to him even if it is harshly.but sending the person away or driving him out of your house,knowing that the person is a stranger is no method to convince him to pray or talk sense into his skull.

So when did those guys pray? So what punishment were they given for delaying the prayer. I know from the story the punishment for those who sent them out of his house. The story is designed to teach lessons. You have an opportunity to provide it

in the shariah is there any punishment for someone who doesn't pray? how do you even know the person is not praying? anyone can lie if the person is really evil and not bent on praying.its the same about fasting.i have been lectured that fasting is the sincerest of worship.when you are fasting it is only you and God.you can eat secretly and pretend to be fasting.so fasting is a test of sincerity.we can also draw that parallel when it comes to salat.

Every person that I know of including the leader of all Men, the one with the EXCELLENT character, Prophet Muhhammad ibn Abdullah (PBUH) sought forgiveness from Allah

because Allah is the Creator and we are the created.even th thought of a creature posing that he is sinless and does not need God's forgiveness or not doing "istighfar" (which is also translated as seeking nearness or protection,alongside seeking forgiveness) is arrogance.and the Prophet (s) was far from being arrogant.

Stop laughing please. I never believed the story. Do you believe it? Because if you do and we now proceed to analyse it, you will be committing sins. Note the plural, BTW, remember that you may indulge in sophistry on the matter, others who are reading can make up their minds

the fact is you can NEVER ever prove that what that man was preaching was not an actual dream,or that he made up a story to impart his message.only God knows.

Look at this. Some people sat through it and believed it. They believed it was true. Do you?
Pardon the commentaries. I did not make the video. So I cannot edit it

how do the two relate? or you just want to find another way of popping up another topic.

it is the consensus of Shia scholars that there is no addition or subtraction of the present-day Quran we have,and it is as it was revealed.

check this:
https://www.nairaland.com/860351/shiahs-not-believe-present-quran

the scholar in the video was citing a hadith.hadiths about the distortion of the Quran are present in both Sunni and Shia narrations.that is reality even in sahih bukhari,the most authentic sunni book of hadith.however,upon closer study,you see these narrations are either fabricated or full of errors.in the above link i gave,there is a comprehensive work by Ayatollah Abu'l Qassim al-Khoei refuting and explaining the hadiths that cast doubt or argument on the Quran.

i also noticed that a portion from the scholar's statement was cut out where he cited a hadith about subtraction.yet we didnt see the entire lecture to know what he was saying in context.he may have been explaining that such hadiths are fabricated hadiths to cast doubt on the Quran.he may actually be refuting the hadiths.but a statement was just randomly picked out and used to atack the Shia.its unfair! at least let us know the context in which that statement was made so we can judge,especially that the same scholar did categorically say there is no distortion in the Quran.so we should know in what context was the same scholar referring to a random hadith.

You justify your opinion on this matter by quoting one person. Is that the only Sunni opinion, even in Saudi Arabia? I can post videos of people whose opinions are different from his. But you just assumed that there is a consensus

BTW What is the truth?

You claim that I judge the intention of people.Right? Anyway,
I CHALLENGE YOU (ZHUL FIQAR) TO BRING EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM THAT MY ASSERTION THAT HUSSAIN (RA) WAS UNJUSTLY KILLED IS AN IMPROVEMENT ON MY(BETATHINGS) POSITION. AND I hope you will not twist this or run away from it.

the wahhabi scholar in that video is the Grand Mufti of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.he is also a direct descendant of Ibn Abdul-Wahab,the founder of the wahhabiya movement.the verdict of the mufti in any country is binding upon the scholars.he is the highest religious authority in Sunni countries,even though most often the muftis are government employed and can merely be seen as government employees.

as regarding you,i am happy you dont share the opinion of the saudi grand mufti on Imam Hussein (as).i am in fact relieved.i believe there is hope for you.you just need to stop watchig malicious videos delieberately designed to defame the Shia and take you further away from the truth.the truth is the path of Muhammad (s) and Aal-Muhammad (as),which we Shia abide to.i said i am relieved you dont share the opinion of the saudi mufti,because you have previous associated yourself with Ibn Abdul-Wahab and displayed wahhabi/salafist ideas in our debates and discussions.i do know Sunnis (the mainstream) do not have a good view of Yazid and they say they love Imam Hussein (as)-regardless of what i think about their "love".but my dear friend you have to know that with the billions of petro-dollars,the saudis who are wahhabis/salafists are doing utmost in exporting their ideology as the prevailing Sunni beliefs and ideology.and under the banner of "Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jama'ah" which is meant to deceive the unsuspecting,the wahhabis/salafists are succeeding in infiltrating the Sunnis.a normal mainstream Sunni guy can easily be convinced using Sunni sources about why he should be a Shia.but a Sunni under influence of wahhabism/salafism is very difficult to convince because of his mental build-up on issues like accusing others of "shirk" (idolatry/polytheism) and making other false accusations meant to defame and demonize.and you know the saudi petro-money is there.they dont work for it.

when you closely observe the beliefs of the Shia and mainstream Sunnis on Tawassul and Yazid,you see that Shia and mainstream Sunnis are more close,than mainstream Sunnis and Sunnis that are "wahhabized"/"salafized".but the wahhabis/salafists find it easier to infiltrate the mainstream Sunni youth like yourself because they operate under the banner of "ahlus-sunnah wal jama'ah".and the danger of wahhabism/salafism if not stopped by people like you is grave to the very existence of this ummah and the religion of Islam!

Saudi Wahhabis Name School In Honor Of Yazeed
https://www.nairaland.com/868603/saudi-wahhabis-name-school-honor

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i think i am done with you in this thread (even though i'd try to entertain your post with replies if i can).

this is for you and make sure you watch it (it is based on scholarly research using books and not based on twisted thinking,ill-logic and contempt) :

https://www.nairaland.com/1140610/wahhabism-exposed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKKwRg-ujcY

Rafidi :
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1. Ammar Ibn Yasir (RA) said to people before the battle of Camel that:

"Allah has put you to test whether you obey Allah or her (Aisha)." (See Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English version, Tradition 9.220).

2. Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 4.336
Narrated Abdullah:

The Prophet stood up and delivered a sermon, and pointed to the house of Aisha, and said: "Fitna (trouble/sedition) is right here," saying three times, "from where the side of the Satan's head comes out."

3. Muslim has related in his Sahih from Ikrima Ibn Ammar from Salim from Ibn Umar who said:

"The Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) emerged from the house of Aisha and said. 'The head of disbelief is from here, where the horns of Satan will rise.'"

Sunni reference: Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, the Chapter of Seditions, v4, p2229

It looks like we should expect Maclatunji to soon officially ban the hadiths of Prophet Muhammed (s) on nairaland-like he banned LagosShia-for "insulting" Aisha.

LagosShia,REVEALER OF UNBEARABLE TRUTH.

Why are 6000 Shia children killed in Pakistan less worthy than a few dozen Palestinians?

2012-11-19

12:45

By: Abdul Nishapuri

Source: Let Us Build Pakistan


5-year old Hania (a Shia Muslim) was killed in a suicide attack by Takfiri Deobandis (Sipah-e-Sahaba) on Eid congregation in Quetta on 31 Sep 2011.

Why are 6000 Shia children killed in Pakistan by Saudi-sponsored Takfiri Deobandis (i.e. extremist Sunnis,the Salafists aka Wahhabis)- (Taliban, Sipah-e-Sahaba)- less important than a few dozen Palestinians killed by Israel?

We condemn all those thugs who express sympathy for rocket-firing Hamas militants but remain silent on Shia genocide in Pakistan.

If you see a Salafist-Deobandi circulate pictures from Palestine or Burma, throw the present post on his/her face.

Since mid-1980s, more than 20,000 Shia Muslims, thousands of Sunni Sufi (Barelvi) Muslims, hundreds of Ahmadis, Christians and Hindus have been killed in Pakistan by Takfiri Deobandi terrorists sponsored by Jihadist-minded generals of Pakistan Army. A detailed database of Shia genocide can be accessed here:http://criticalppp.com/archives/132675

According to an estimate, at least 30 per cent of the 20,000 Shias killed are children or minors (age 18 or below). This makes their number at least 6,000.

On mainstream media and social media, one frequently sees pictures of Palestinian children killed or injured during Israel’s attacks on Hamas (Saudi-sponsored Salafist militants) hideouts in densely populated civilian areas in Gaza. However, there is completely no mention of the 6,000 Shia children killed by Saudi-funded Takfiri Deobandis (Taliban, Sipah-e-Sahaba) who are not only killing Shias but also Sunni Sufi (Barelvis), Ahmadis and Christians.

The attitude of the Arab League, OIC, United Nations and human rights groups is equally hypocritical and disturbing. While they shed crocodile tears on the loss of innocent life in Palestine (and Israel), hardly any mention is made of the thousands of Shia, Sunni Sufi Muslims and other non-Salafist, non-Deobandis killed in Pakistan (and other countries, e.g., Afghanistan, Bahrain, Syria, Saudi Arabia) by the Saudi- and Qatar-sponsored terrorists.

In the present post, we are providing a collection of only a few of thousands of Shia children killed by Takfiri Deobandis in the last few years in Pakistan.

Things to note:

Many Pakistani and international groups remain silent on Shia genocide in Pakistan. In fact while the same groups clearly mention the identity of the killed and the killer in Palestine, they make every possible effort to hide or obfuscate the identity of the killed (Shia Muslims, Sunni Sufis) and the killers (Takfiri Deobandis and their Saudi masters) in Pakistan.

Supporters and enablers of Takfiri Deobandis dishonestly misrepresent Shia genocide and murder of Sufi Sunnis in Pakistan as Sunni-Shia sectarian violence in order to justify and hide the violence.

While Iran and Iran-funded Shia Mullahs keep supporting Hamas and other militant groups, Hamas remains extremely hostile to Sunni Sufi Muslims and Shia Muslims. In fact, in 2011, Hamas forcibly stopped Shia Muslims of Palestine from celebrating the Ashura of Muharram and physically attacked and injured many Shias.

It may be noted that majority of the Palestinians killed by Israel in Gaza are militants or activists of Hamas. In contrast, almost all Shias killed in Pakistan by Takfiri Deobanids are ordinary citizens with no link with any political or militant group. Shias face Gaza in Pakistan every day. But no Shia are firing rockets at ordinary Sunni Muslims or calling for Sunni destruction.

Pakistan’s and the entire world’s Shia and Sunni Muslims should realize that Saudi-sponsored Takfiri Deobandis and Takfiri Salafist are bigger threat to Islam and Muslims than any other country or group. It is high time that we set our priorities in order and focus our attention on Saudi-funded Deobandis and Salafist, the biggest threat to humanity, Muslims, Christians, Hindus and Jews.




At least 20 Shia Muslims including many children and women were killed by Takfiri Deobandis in Khanpur (Punjab) in January 2012


Four school children (Shia Muslims) killed by Takfiri Deobandis (Taliban & Sipah-e-Sahaba) in Hangu on 27 Feb 2009


A man carries a dead child from the site of a suicide attack during a Shia procession in Quetta September 3, 2010.


This Shia child, who was injured with his mother in an attack on Shia Muslims’ bus, is carried by his father after receiving treatment in Quetta in June 2011.


Twenty Shia and Sunni Barelvi Muslims were killed by Takfiri Deobandi Taliban & Sipah-e-Sahaba in a suicide attack on Bari Imam Shrine in Islamabad on 27 May 2005.


A Shiite child injured in a bomb attack on Shia Muslims in D.I.Khan in 2009.


Another picture from the Takfiri Deobandis’ attack on Shia Muslims in Khanpur.


At least 26 Shias including many children were killed by Takfiri Deobandi Taliban & Sipah-e-Sahaba in Balochistan in September 2011


25 Shia Muslims were killed, 150 injured, in an attack by Takfiri Deobandis in Lahore in September 2010


This Shia youngster, Akmal Rizvi, was killed along with his father in Karachi in March 2012.


An injured boy lies bleeding in the aftermath of a Sipah-e-Sahaba suicide attack on a procession of Shiite pilgrims in Lahore in January 2011.


This Shia girl was injured in an attack on Shia Muslims in Lahore in September 2010.


This girl was injured in Taliban’s attack on a commercial district in Peshawar on Sept. 26, 2009. Many Sunni and Shia Muslims were killed or injured.


At least 34 Shia Muslims including many Shia Hazara children were killed by Takfiri Deobandis (Taliban, Sipah-e-Sahaba) in an attack in Kabul in December 2011.


Shia Hazara school children mourn the death of their friends and class mates


A Shia child injured by Takfiri Deobandis


Aqeel Raza and 5 other Shia students were killed in Takfiri Deobandis attack on a university bus in June 2012.


A Shia child remembers his slain father at his grave in Quetta


A Shia girl injured by Takfiri Deobandis in Abbas Town, Karachi on 18 Nov 2012

http://www.publici.com/content/why-are-6000-shia-children-killed-pakistan-less-worthy-few-dozen-palestinians

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You talk too much nonsense.its like you don't think.being a Sunni with Wahhabi/salafist thinking have rendered your thinking process very slow.you cannot expect us to forgive on evil actions that were not done to us on a personal level.if you offend a Shia on a personal level you have every right to expect or demand for forgiveness.but when you hurt,harmed and killed the flesh and blood of the Prophet (s),don't ask us to forgive those criminals.the Quran demands we love the Prophet's (s) kin.too bad you don't know what you're talking about because Sunnism is a creed that honors criminals who butchered its Prophet's family members.the Prophet (s) have stated that anyone who harms his Ahlul-Bayt (a) his abode is hell.besides,whether hell or not do you expect us to show love and mercy to criminals who harmed the Prophet's (s) Ahlul-Bayt (a) just because Sunnis are programmed to honor those criminals under the fake impression they were "sahaba"? No matter where bin laden will end up,don't expect an american to pray for him or ask God to be "pleased" with bin laden.even if the person doesn't express any wish,just don't expect a normal person to pray for a criminal.

I want to ask you a question.someone who dies a muslim but used to drink and womanize and doesn't use to pray,do Sunnis pray Janaza prayer on that person? Yes or no? Why? If not,where is your "forgiveness"?

You talk about hate while you keep forgetting that every week Shia Muslims are being killed by the very people you share beliefs with and sometimes defend.in Pakistan there's Shia genocide going on.

You talk much nonsense and you're hateful and spiteful.but most of all,you're a very mighty liar.your confidence in being dumb led me to waste my time to refute your useless post.and don't expect further dumbness,accusations and lies would be worth my time in reply.

BetaThings:
Reason some people believe that the Shias are gravitating towards the exit

Check this out:

https://www.nairaland.com/827432/main-sunni-sheikhs-scream-testify

Just like you justify the anti-Islamic practices of your own lay Shia, can you not find some largeness in your heart to believe that it is lay muslims that carry out this outrage

There is nothing "anti-islamic" in what these lay people do.it may be "un-islamic" or forbidden even by most of our Shia scholars,but its not "anti-islamic".

Use the right words.

Lagos Shia have told Uplawal that there is difference of opinion among Shia scholars on cutting of the body. Some Shia Authorities Allow it
There is no difference of opinion amongst Muslim Scholars that one should not bomb places of worship

Have you seen this before:

"A Timeline Of Sectarian Terrorism Against Shia Muslims"
https://www.nairaland.com/961495/timeline-sectarian-terrorism-against-shia

Have you heard of the Shia genocide in Pakistan?

Do you condemn those attacks?

Do you know that Wahhabi/Salafist scholars with their un-islamic fatwas fueling sectarian hatred incite these killings?

Your choice of words in describing our scholars as "Shia scholars" and describing your Sunni scholars as "Muslim scholars",sending the idea the Shia are not Muslims,is not only sick and disgusting but criminal.it is such un-islamic categorization of other Muslims who differ with you that fuel hatred and division,which leads to the criminal elements among Sunni extremists to carry out deadly attacks.and its not like these attacks will stop the Shia from being Shia or from Sunnis embracing the path of the Ahlul-Bayt (a).

Shias are the misguided lot. They borrow from Christians. As Christians single out Jesus (PBUH) amongst the prophets to ascribe divinity to him, Shias single Ali amongst the Caliphs to ascribe divine attributes to him

Do not lie.

You can even feel the guilt in the way you stated your point.you clearly do not believe in the comparison you struck in likening Shia Muslims to Christians.

You said Christians ascribe divinity to Jesus (a).that is true and Christians admit Jesus (a) is their "god".then you said Shia ascribe "divine attributes" to Imam Ali (a)-not "divinity".very amusing way of playing with words.

What divine attributes are you talking about? We do not believe Imam Ali (a) is a "god" of any sort,no matter how blessed we believe he was and how many supernatural acts he displayed by Allah's permission.the same goes about Prophet Muhammed (saw) and Jesus (a),who is reported in the Quran as a giver of life by Allah's permission.

Don't let hatred lead you to sin by choosing to lie.stop it.

They hurt themselves like we can see here like the Christians do at Easter

Is that practice done in the easter pictures part of Christian doctrine?

A lot of muslims have been martyred but Shias in their determination for Schism only recognise the martyrdom of Hussain

Please can you explain to us how on earth is "recognizing" the martyrdom of Imam Hussein (a) "determination for schism".seriously I really cannot imagine how that works.help us out!

What about Hussain's father who was also murdered; Summaya?
Shias claim the Prophet (PBUH) was poisoned, do they drink poison to commemorate this

We mark the death and birth of all righteous personalities that we can derive from islamic lessons and examples from their lofty personalities.we commemorate Imam Ali's (a) martyrdom in the holy month of Ramadhan and others as well.if we don't remember these people and what happened,our Islamic heritage would be lost.Imam Ali (a) was attacked individually as anyone is likely to be assasinated.what makes Imam Hussein's (a) martyrdom different is the suffering,pain and magnitude of what happened.it was a massacre where about 80 people where killed,after being besieged for days,deprived of water and then killed in the most brutal way by beheading and mutilating their corpses.even Imam Hussein's (a) baby was not spared.then his women,the women of Prophet Muhammed's (saw) household were taken as prisoners from Karbala to Yazeed's governor in Kufa,and then to Yazeed himself in Damascus,along with the severed heads!!!

Moreover,if we are to examine other martyrs of Islam,we see they died in the cause of defending Islam.Hamza (ra) for instance was martyred when fighting with the Muslim army for Islam.he went for battle.now how does a six month old baby of Imam Hussein (a) got to do with battle?

You feel bad about us commemorating Imam Hussein's (a) martyrdom because you feel guilty.you celebrate on Ashura while the Shia feel sad and mourn.the Tragedy of Karbala made the Prophet (saw) weep profusely on several occasions.so now who is on the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw),those (Shia) who take Ashura for a sad day or those (Sunnis) who celebrate it because according to them Noah's ark landed safely after the flood?

You also feel bad about us commemorating Ashura because we mark the culmination of the oppression and tyranny the Ahlul-Bayt (a) suffered in the hands of the Sunni caliphate,while the Quran commands we must love the Prophet's (s) kin!

You feel bad about it because such tragedy was not sudden.it was the practice of oppression against the Ahlul-Bayt (a) starting with Fadak,Saqifa Banu Saeda and the incident of the door against the house of Lady Fatima (a),the Prophet's (saw) daughter that led to Karbala.when the Shia commemorate Ashura it questions the legitimacy of Yazid,which goes back to those who preceded him and Sunnis hold in high esteem like abu bakr and umar.when we mourn on Ashura,we shake the very foundation of the Sunni caliphate built on usurpation that led to the oppression of the house of Imam Ali (a).it clearly shows the Sunni caliphate wasn't built on an Islamic principle of sharing/transferring power but power tussle.that is how someone anti-islamic,un-islamic,sinful,immoral and bloodthirsty like Yazid ended up grabbing the caliphate.

You want to conceal the past.but we want people to examine and know about the past because truth is on our side.whether you cut yourself or not,is irrelevant both to commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussein (a) and being a Shia Muslim in entirety!

Shia Imams are supposed to be infallible, able to know ahead what would happen. But they were mostly poisoned. So why did they knowingly drink poison and commit suicide
Sunnis don't discriminate. We feel bad for all martyrs who sacrificed their lives for the purpose of Islam. We don't divide the religion into classes of people whose sacrifice don't matter and those whose do

That is an old fashion question.if you are giving a company car to use for company work,and you refrain from using it for your own purpose,is that harming yourself?

The knowledge of the unseen given to prophets or imams,is not meant to change the decree of Allah or for them to become "super men" who don't die.in fact when poison is administered to the holy Imams of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) by their enemies,at the particular moment,by God's grace they are made to forget.the Imams are granted with the station of martyrdom and their enemies apportion themselves the wrath of Allah and His punishment.according to the Quran,prophets had been killed.what do you say about that?

Your ignorance makes it look to you that we are "dividing the religion" by commemorating the Tragedy of Karbala.when we commemorate Imam Hussein's (a) martyrdom,we are not marking an incident like those of other martyrs of Islam,we honor too.we are marking a tragic event with its lessons and details,its place and time.

Semantics to gloss over bidah (baseless innovation)
The Shia calendar is a comprehensive series of events that can only fuel hatred and division

Beating one's chest is not bid'ah.you don't know many things as a Sunni because they are deliberately hidden from you.they don't want you to know the past and therefore question your present.you can check your books,hitting oneself is clearly a symbol of mourning in Islamic tradition.you can find instances of beating oneself in times of mourning or sadness.its done lightly and no harm is afflicted.

For an action in Islam to be classified as "bid'ah" you must be ready to prove to us that it is first and foremost haram or a prohibited act.not anything new is bid'ah.

For example,you pray taraweeh,which we Shia consider as bid'ah because the Prophet (saw) explicitly prohibited it.you fold your arms during prayer on the basis that it is a "sunnah" of the Prophet (saw),while the Prophet (saw) never did that.records show that Umar copied that from the Persian Zoroastrians.you wash your feet during wudu (ablution) while the Quran says "wipe your feet".you're changing the command of Allah! You celebrate the 1st of Muharram as the "Islamic new year",while the Prophet (saw) arrived Medina after the hijrah in Rabiul Awwal.you're both following a false date and also commemorating a day the Prophet (saw) never observed or attribute any significance to.the hijrah calendar was made by historians.you fast on Ashura (10th of Muharram) while the Prophet (saw) never did.worse you admit you're following a jewish tradition you claim our Prophet (saw) copied from the jews!

If we start counting the bid'ah Sunnis generally practice,you really won't feel happy about it.but we Shia have no bid'ah because there is nothing haram in all we do and also we do not change the established laws and practices of Islam by God and His Prophet (saw).Ashura has its basis in Islam.the Prophet (saw) cried and felt sad about this day several times.therefore feeling sad on Ashura because of Imam Hussein's (a) tragedy is Sunnah.honoring the martyrs of Islam,among whom is Imam Hussein (a) is also Sunnah,as the Prophet (saw) is recorded to do annually by visiting the graveyard.

Please stop the hatred.the lies are just annoying.and don't waste others' time.its not fair.

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Sorry,but I don't indulge in replying stupids.wait for LagosShia to be back, he may show you some favor to dive into your load of ignorance and loose your bondage.Sunnis lie and believe their lies.I will only reply your post on one condition based on honesty:count your lies in your post and then tell them to us.thereafter I will help you on the ignorance issues you brought up.if not,keep your arguments founded on frustration.

Bombings kill Shias in Iraq cities of Hilla and Karbala

29 November 2012 Last updated at 09:09

At least 31 people have been killed in bomb attacks on predominantly Shia Muslim areas south of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, officials say.

A double bombing in the city of Hilla killed 26 people and wounded scores more.

A car bomb also exploded in the nearby shrine city of Karbala, killing at least five people.

No group has said it carried out the attacks but Sunni militants have targeted the Shia majority in the past.

Pilgrims flock to Karbala each year for Ashura commemorations, the climax of the holy month of Muharram.

Initial reports said the two bombs in Hilla exploded near a restaurant. The dead included two women, three children, two medics and a civil defence member, police and medics said.

Witnesses said Iraqi security forces cordoned off the area of the blasts and set up checkpoints in the city.

In Karbala, a parked car exploded near one of the city gates, a police officer quoted by AP news agency said.

Those who died were civilians but policemen were among more than 20 wounded, he added. The blast also damaged nearby buildings.

A recent upsurge in such attacks has sparked fears of a return to the sectarian conflict that beset Iraq in the years after the 2003 US-led invasion.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20537797

Amin.you too.

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