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Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by Olaone1: 2:50pm On Aug 15, 2012
y me:
Lol . . . Then u'all should suck it in and stop complaining grin
Btw you don't need soap and vaseline no more there is a new human doll cheesy cheesy

I hate dem dolls wink
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by ronkebp(f): 2:54pm On Aug 15, 2012
coogar:

i like materialistic babes though. it makes it easier for some of us who are very busy with our jobs.
it's almost like hiring a hooker without a fixed price....no long stories, no hiccups.

it is best you taught the other guys that are complaining the advantages and disadvantages of using "materialistic babes". the benefits should be more. so that they will learn to grow-up and stop complaining.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by Olaone1: 2:55pm On Aug 15, 2012
coogar:

i[b] like materialistic babes though[/b]. it makes it easier for some of us who are very busy with our jobs.
it's almost like hiring a hooker without a fixed price....no long stories, no hiccups.

I like them very much. Easy peasy lemon squeezy ('member the commercial?)
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by coogar: 3:05pm On Aug 15, 2012
ronkebp:

it is best you taught the other guys that are complaining the advantages and disadvantages of using "materialistic babes". the benefits should be more. so that they will learn to grow-up and stop complaining.

as for the other guys, it's the hypocrisy they cannot stand. they believe a materialistic babe should say she's materialistic and she's only in it for the cash/material gain.
naija babes are too pretentious. an aristo chic would look you in the eye and swore on her siblings she's a virgin. what the fuck is that about?

Ola one:
I like them very much. Easy peasy lemon squeezy ('member the commercial?)

absolutely!
the volume in nigeria is scary though. i remember visiting lagos some months back and this dude made a call and within 30 mins, a bus packed with uni girls surfaced from nowhere.
i was overwhelmed when i heard some others were even left behind as there was no space.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by ronkebp(f): 3:38pm On Aug 15, 2012
coogar:

as for the other guys, it's the hypocrisy they cannot stand. they believe a materialistic babe should say she's materialistic and she's only in it for the cash/material gain.
naija babes are too pretentious. an aristo chic would look you in the eye and swore on her siblings she's a virgin. what the fuck is that about?

Oh please, Coogar, spare me. they tell you what "you want to hear"....why would you see some of the girls and think they have "never had sex"....you should be expecting that from secondary school girls....

the same way some men like to lie to get the woman they want, is the same way the girls would lie to get the guys they want...so why crucify them? we have no decent men in Naija and you want to find decent girls i laugh in french.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by dayokanu(m): 4:27pm On Aug 15, 2012
^^ Ronke,

There has been prostitution from the days of Adam. And people then knew when you need express service you go to red light districts

The complaint is about men who want good girls but get pseudo redlight girls.

If I go to Allen or Akin Adesola at 10pm to pick up girls, I know what I am getting but when I go to Church, weddings and normal places I dont expect to pick up prostitutes who want money for their services.

How would a guy who met an Oil company worker know he is dealing with a PAY AS YOU GO?
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by Theblessed(f): 4:28pm On Aug 15, 2012
[b][size=16pt]Blame our Culture!

A culture that raises their daughters to feel inadequate of themselves - to feel that, they had to have a man in their lives to be a 'woman' is a sick culture.

In Nigeria, girls' are raised with the mentality that, everything you want/need in life, it's your husband's/boyfriend's role to provide it for you - so what do we expect when young girls throw caution in the air and chase what they could get and, they usually get it - don't they? grin

Girl's are raised from a very young age to behave well and act well, to be able to find a good husband when the time comes. Therefore, men would find them attractive and of good character and come and marry them.

Marriage is the ultimate ambition and achievement of every Nigerian girl - ask them!

Thus, young girls began to learn the tricks of the trade from a very young age and by the time they reach their late teens, they're already well averse in their specialist areas - they all know what to do to catch a man!

Yes, that is how I see it and, how do you see it yourself? Is it too far from the truth?

Because, there is a demand for it and parents subconsciously, supplies the market with what it needs, through their daughters. You could hear friends, sisters, parents, family members all claiming 'my sisters married well, all my daughters married well, all my friends sisters married well!!!

However, when you probe and analyse a bit further, you would see all the hallmarks of materialism and we are here asking why our daughters are materialistic. huh! undecided

Because, Society is in competitions with itself on material acquisition!

Yeah my brother has got himself a new babe - the latest car, gadgets and the best luxurious home with 1,000 rooms, abi! And you'd ask, how many does he sleep in, at night?? undecided

For example, Babangida with his 50 rooms, how many does he sleep in, at night...just only one. huh!!!!!!!!!!!!

It all centred on, the need to acquire - acquisition, acquisition, acquisition and if your soul is called tonight, all would be left behind... undecided It is a thought the ill-gotten wealth suckers don't want to entertain but it's on their door waiting.

Famous people like Michael Jackson, left the Never, Never land Estate behind. Elizabeth Taylor, left all her famous gold and diamond jewelries, hehind. Elvis Presley left Graceland, abi o o!

And these lot, too will abandon ship when the Good God calls!

Shouldn't detract from issues here.

Therefore, if we need to deal with the issue of materialism in our society well, the diagnosis and cure is in the 'HISTORY'.

Until we dig deeper into our consciousness and re-evaluate our beliefs and values as a society, we will not get anywhere faster on our backs! Let me prophesy now - it is going to be worse!!!

And before we do that, let me also take people to the other end of the spectrum.

There are parents who were able to raise highly intelligent, independent and high flying career women - whom no man can provide any thing for. In fact, they have it all, and there's nothing a man can afford to give them except a baby (as if the man himself doesn't need a baby, too!) but that's not a need for these girls.

And it's not a need at all these days because, there's always a bank to get them if they want to so, there's nothing a man can give/offer them, eh! undecided

Parents of these sort are also in turmoil/exhausted with worry as some of them even keep men and give them allowances each month - only a lazy hangers-on of a man, the son of a b i t c h would appreciate a woman to keep him, and we all can predict that the end of such relationship, is not too far - and then, society picks up the dysfunctional aspects of it.

Black man with his ego, would not want to play a second fiddle in a relationship for too long - don't we know that?

So, which of these categories of daughters would you ladies prefer then?

I leave you all to inform me!

All I can say is pray/fast hard that the devil does not locate your door. And please, don't come here saying, he can't - because the Bible tells us that, he is busy prowling about, looking for opportunity to devour - so, never say never!!

Instead raise your children with the fear of God, be on your knees with prayers/fasting always for your children and commit them to God everyday. Ensure, your social group and other people you interact with, are true Christians and God fearing (whatever that means - I leave you to interpret for yourself!).

Finally, attach yourself to a strong and Highly Anointed Ministry of God - that way, you win the devil and his messengers, over your children.

Remember, the devil's eyes are on your vulnerable areas - the weakest link in your life, any thing you love so much, and your heart is on! It could be your only child - son/daughter, any of your children, your finances, your family, your job/career etc so far as your heart is on it - he will make a visit.

So be watchful/prayerful and, trust in God - the devil will flee from you - and that's my 2 pence!!
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Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by aribisala0(m): 4:39pm On Aug 15, 2012
Not everyone is raised that way I have sisters and cousins with Masters degrees and Phd who outearn most of us other male cousins.We all had equal educational opportunities and they excelled.
It is usually the karosin and janglova people that think like that


There is no such thing as a devil.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by coogar: 4:40pm On Aug 15, 2012
ronkebp:
Oh please, Coogar, spare me. they tell you what "you want to hear"....why would you see some of the girls and think they have "never had sex"....you should be expecting that from secondary school girls....

that's the crux of the matter....the dishonesty!
at least in the west, the hookers tell you what they do and they don't hide their vices...in nigeria, you won't get the truth from them.


the same way some men like to lie to get the woman they want, is the same way the girls would lie to get the guys they want...so why crucify them? we have no decent men in Naija and you want to find decent girls i laugh in french.

there are decent men in naija....plenty of them. you mean to tell me those girls dunno those 50 year-old aristocrats don't have their own wives and children somewhere uptown? why do they still sleep with them?
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by Nobody: 4:55pm On Aug 15, 2012
dayokanu: ^^ Ronke,

There has been prostitution from the days of Adam. And people then knew when you need express service you go to red light districts

The complaint is about men who want good girls but get pseudo redlight girls.

If I go to Allen or Akin Adesola at 10pm to pick up girls, I know what I am getting but when I go to Church, weddings and normal places I dont expect to pick up prostitutes who want money for their services.

How would a guy who met an Oil company worker know he is dealing with a PAY AS YOU GO?

I'd really like to meet the this oil worker who did such a number on you grin
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by dayokanu(m): 5:05pm On Aug 15, 2012
naijababe:

I'd really like to meet the this oil worker who did such a number on you grin

She is here

https://www.nairaland.com/1015075/marrying-someone-not-crazy-should
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by obowunmi(m): 5:14pm On Aug 15, 2012
This is where many are getting the conversations wrong. Finding a materialistic girl, is different from wifey.

Marriage is the ultimate ambition and achievement of every Nigerian girl - ask them!

Yes, there are more women than men. So women who can't find husbands, need to service men anyway they can.

You cannot deny that we are humans and have sexual needs. If you don't find a husband, find a di,cck.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by ronkebp(f): 5:30pm On Aug 15, 2012
dayokanu: ^^ Ronke,

There has been prostitution from the days of Adam. And people then knew when you need express service you go to red light districts

The complaint is about men who want good girls but get pseudo redlight girls.

If I go to Allen or Akin Adesola at 10pm to pick up girls, I know what I am getting but when I go to Church, weddings and normal places I dont expect to pick up prostitutes who want money for their services.

How would a guy who met an Oil company worker know he is dealing with a PAY AS YOU GO?

I did not comment on that thread, because i would have been fighting too many people, so you think "a man " who has a girlfriend, cannot pay for her hair....now means she is a pay-as-you-go kind of a chic? what is the big deal, to take my boyfriend to the barbers and pay for his hair-cut even if i know that he has the money? would heaven have fallen if i did that, what is wrong in giving each other gifts every now and then? A man that cannot take care of his girlfriend and sees her as pay-as-you-go, will eventually see his wife as pay-as-you go.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by ronkebp(f): 5:35pm On Aug 15, 2012
coogar:

that's the crux of the matter....the dishonesty!
at least in the west, the hookers tell you what they do and they don't hide their vices...in nigeria, you won't get the truth from them.
there are decent men in naija....plenty of them. you mean to tell me those girls dunno those 50 year-old aristocrats don't have their own wives and children somewhere uptown? why do they still sleep with them?

That is the world we live in now, deal with it. we have dishonest men and women everywhere, if you happen to fall prey to one, good luck then.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by dayokanu(m): 5:50pm On Aug 15, 2012
ronkebp:

I did not comment on that thread, because i would have been fighting too many people, so you think "a man " who has a girlfriend, cannot pay for her hair....now means she is a pay-as-you-go kind of a chic? what is the big deal, to take my boyfriend to the barbers and pay for his hair-cut even if i know that he has the money? would heaven have fallen if i did that, what is wrong in giving each other gifts every now and then? A man that cannot take care of his girlfriend and sees her as pay-as-you-go, will eventually see his wife as pay-as-you go.

If you read her post it was that its a requirement for her bf to pay for her hairdo and her other expenses.

I can give my gf anything she wants on my own volition not as a demand or she takes it to be her right. the moment you start demanding handouts as a pre-requisite for love or relationship then that fellow is no better than a PAY AS YOU GO hooker, only that the hooker is more honest with her intention and not masking it under the veil or relationship, marriage, dating ot whatever romantic nomenclature
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by ronkebp(f): 6:16pm On Aug 15, 2012
dayokanu:

If you read her post it was that its a requirement for her bf to pay for her hairdo and her other expenses.

I can give my gf anything she wants on my own volition not as a demand or she takes it to be her right. the moment you start demanding handouts as a pre-requisite for love or relationship then that fellow is no better than a PAY AS YOU GO hooker, only that the hooker is more honest with her intention and not masking it under the veil or relationship, marriage, dating ot whatever romantic nomenclature

story!!!! i do not blame her, i can't stand a guy that does not have initiatives, please buy me gifts and spoil me if you have the wherewithals, if you don't, buy me puff-puff, i will eat it with love and make sure you add pure water ontop...would not want to choke on the puff-puff....you have no initiatives is equal to a stingy man in my dictionary....if i complain as my boyfriend about my needs, it is because i have someone to talk to, if i cannot talk to my boyfriend or fiance about my needs, then that is no relationship....do i want you to foot my bills when i talk to you about them, no!!! but you as a man will have to listen and ask me how i want to go about meeting them. It just goes along way to show that you care.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by aribisala0(m): 6:31pm On Aug 15, 2012
I prefer to give you cash but stop all this "CARE" claptrap please. Learn to live within your means otherwise get an extra job lap dancing or something embarassed

Actually stinginess is a virtue.When I am employing people that is one quality I look for and I have ways of testing it. Poor people on the other hand are always spending.That secret is the difference between the rich(who get rich legitimately) and the poor. The stingy guy is always looking for where to invest while the spendthrift spend their salary before they get it! Giving you money for hair is an EXPENSE not an INVESTMENT and while i don't condemn it it must be on the giver's terms
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by ronkebp(f): 6:41pm On Aug 15, 2012
Whatever!!!!! yawns!!!!!!how do you show your wife that you care about her? forget girlfriends for a second now, tell me how a married man will show his wife he cares about her.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by chic2pimp(m): 6:59pm On Aug 15, 2012
ronkebp: Whatever!!!!! yawns!!!!!!how do you show your wife that you care about her? forget girlfriends for a second now, tell me how a married man will show his wife he cares about her.

Does caring about an individual mean you've got to spend money?
I don't get it, are they Inter related?
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by dayokanu(m): 7:06pm On Aug 15, 2012
So the way to show your wife you care is by Spending money?

I guess MKO Abiola must be the most caring man in the history of Nigeria?

Na real wa. I now think the problem is really deeper than you think.

i would think some women would say they dont care about the money just spending time with them is cool, Doing things together shows care.

I know several women who would even take offence at you trying to buy them stuffs because they consider it offensive and you trying to monetize their affection

naija women, I hail ooo
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by ronkebp(f): 7:07pm On Aug 15, 2012
chic2pimp:

Does caring about an individual mean you've got to spend money?
I don't get it, are they Inter related?

my question is very simple.....list it, whether it involves money or not.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by ronkebp(f): 7:12pm On Aug 15, 2012
dayokanu: So the way to show your wife you care is by Spending money?

I guess MKO Abiola must be the most caring man in the history of Nigeria?

Na real wa. I now think the problem is really deeper than you think.

i would think some women would say they dont care about the money just spending time with them is cool, Doing things together shows care.

I know several women who would even take offence at you trying to buy them stuffs because they consider it offensive and you trying to monetize their affection

naija women, I hail ooo

NA you sabi....i asked that you list how you will show "your wife" that you care for her....ojebi, don't spend time with her, another man will be doing that on your behalf, without stress. So because someone gets offended because you buy them gifts "always" without showing them any "iorta of love", means they do not want gifts at all....rationale of a stingy man.
list what you will do for your wife, to show her that you care. simple as ABC!!!!!
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by aribisala0(m): 7:14pm On Aug 15, 2012
ronkebp: Whatever!!!!! yawns!!!!!!how do you show your wife that you care about her? forget girlfriends for a second now, tell me how a married man will show his wife he cares about her.

What an unfortunate mentality.
This remark is so embarassing I don't know where to start.
How do parents show their kids they care how do kids show their parents they care? how do friends show each other they care
How do neighbours show each other they care. I know who my real friends are and it has nothing to do with money.

When you need a kidney transplant and someone steps up and says you can have one of mine,that is caring to the highest. Real caring is NOTHING to do with silly baubles but is a spiritual quality which some people NEVER develop. The statement how do you show you care if not by buying me presents tells me ONE the speaker is young ,immature and very egocentric. More likely than NOT when I spend money on a woman for HAIRDO kind of things it is because I don't care about her but about 5ex.
Like I said earlier the adult Nigerian woman is fixed in her dependent thinking what is important is to empower our daughters.

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Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by ronkebp(f): 7:18pm On Aug 15, 2012
aribisala0:

What an unfortunate mentality.
This remark is so embarassing I don't know where to start.
How do parents show their kids they care how do kids show their parents they care? how do friends show each other they care
How do neighbours show each other they care. I know who my real friends are and it has nothing to do with money.

When you need a kidney transplant and someone steps up and says you can have one of mine,that is caring to the highest. Real caring is NOTHING to do with silly baubles but is a spiritual quality which some people NEVER develop. The statement how do you show you care if not by buying me presents tells me ONE the speaker is young ,immature and very egocentric. More likely than NOT when I spend money on a woman for HAIRDO kind of things it is because I don't care about her but about 5ex.
Like I said earlier the adult Nigerian woman is fixed in her dependent thinking what is important is to empower our daughters.

No need for long turenchi.....answer the question without trying to psycho-analyze my post....how will you show your wife you care for her..Dayo has listed two for you...continue...abi that is all you "generation of literate Naija men" have to offer You have a woman (your wife) assume all things are equal, how will you care for her? abi is your wife part of the leeches Naija is beginning to breed? i hope not.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by dayokanu(m): 7:32pm On Aug 15, 2012
To show your wife you love her

1. Show her respect: Never talk down on her whether in public or private, open, and hold, doors for her, let her always enter before you, and standing up for her when someone insults her.

But to the naija women, You can insult all their lineage as long as you buy them Blackberry you are loving

2. Show her romance. touch her face, kiss her, hug her, and one that’s important but also usually one of the first things to be forgotten – soul gaze. A random text, a random phone call, you could leave her a small notes telling her how much difference she has made in your life.

But to the typical naija women they would say shey na romance I go chop.

3. Show respect to her Family; Hold her values high dont talk down her people or friends

But to the typical Naija woman as long as money no follow nothing for you

4. Never forget to tell your wife the specific difference she has made in your life and why you want to continue being with her. Compliment her for the things you see in her.


And a million other things
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by Nobody: 7:36pm On Aug 15, 2012
dayokanu: To show your wife you love her

1. Show her respect: Never talk down on her whether in public or private, open, and hold, doors for her, let her always enter before you, and standing up for her when someone insults her.

But to the naija women, You can insult all their lineage as long as you buy them Blackberry you are loving

2. Show her romance. touch her face, kiss her, hug her, and one that’s important but also usually one of the first things to be forgotten – soul gaze. A random text, a random phone call, you could leave her a small notes telling her how much difference she has made in your life.

But to the typical naija women they would say shey na romance I go chop.

3. Show respect to her Family; Hold her values high dont talk down her people or friends

But to the typical Naija woman as long as money no follow nothing for you

4. Never forget to tell your wife the specific difference she has made in your life and why you want to continue being with her. Compliment her for the things you see in her.


And a million other things

+1000. Shame I don't have a sister
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by ronkebp(f): 7:41pm On Aug 15, 2012
dayokanu: To show your wife you love her

1. Show her respect: Never talk down on her whether in public or private, open, and hold, doors for her, let her always enter before you, and standing up for her when someone insults her.

But to the naija women, You can insult all their lineage as long as you buy them Blackberry you are loving

2. Show her romance. touch her face, kiss her, hug her, and one that’s important but also usually one of the first things to be forgotten – soul gaze. A random text, a random phone call, you could leave her a small notes telling her how much difference she has made in your life.

But to the typical naija women they would say shey na romance I go chop.

3. Show respect to her Family; Hold her values high dont talk down her people or friends

But to the typical Naija woman as long as money no follow nothing for you

4. Never forget to tell your wife the specific difference she has made in your life and why you want to continue being with her. Compliment her for the things you see in her.


And a million other things

so in all this things you have written....your wife does not deserve gifts for her birthday, valentine or your wedding anniversary....if she asked, then she is a leech?....you cannot take her to the spa and pay for her to be pampered? you can not fly her to paris (city of love) just to tell her i love you. you have not mentioned anything monetary in all you have written, even if i get it that you "think" you have the rudiments of what it takes to get married...you still do not see anything wrong in not being able to spend on your wife without you seeing her as a leech you don't abi

Indeed!!! like you really do or will do all this things.....i laugh in swahili...you are a typical naija man....stop pretending...."open the door for her let her go in first.." like you actually do that.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by Nobody: 7:45pm On Aug 15, 2012
dayokanu: To show your wife you love her

1. Show her respect: Never talk down on her whether in public or private, open, and hold, doors for her, let her always enter before you, and standing up for her when someone insults her.

But to the naija women, You can insult all their lineage as long as you buy them Blackberry you are loving

2. Show her romance. touch her face, kiss her, hug her, and one that’s important but also usually one of the first things to be forgotten – soul gaze. A random text, a random phone call, you could leave her a small notes telling her how much difference she has made in your life.

But to the typical naija women they would say shey na romance I go chop.

3. Show respect to her Family; Hold her values high dont talk down her people or friends

But to the typical Naija woman as long as money no follow nothing for you

4. Never forget to tell your wife the specific difference she has made in your life and why you want to continue being with her. Compliment her for the things you see in her.


And a million other things

I think this is one of the rare times I would agree with you. And e dey pain me for body.tongue
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by ronkebp(f): 7:46pm On Aug 15, 2012
stillwater:

I think this is one of the rare times I would agree with you. And e dey pain me for body.tongue

My dear don't be deceived all na for show!!!!
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by Nobody: 7:52pm On Aug 15, 2012
^^^Lol. But that is what caring is all about, it doesn't have to be monetarily based. Although it's just common courtesy to hold the door for someone coming behind. I'll take this over a razz nkwobi-loving man that feels doling out cash makes him all that.
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by chic2pimp(m): 7:53pm On Aug 15, 2012
ronkebp:

my question is very simple.....list it, whether it involves money or not.

1)Random Compliments,hugs and Kisses

2)Squeezing of Hnads, saying "I love you" and whispering sweet nothings into her ears

3) Preparing Dinner and also Breakfast in Bed for her

4) Words of Encouragement and Advice

5)Taking a keen Interest and asking how their day went




That's in addition to what Dayo wrote......I could go on and on
Re: Where Did Our Daughters Learn To Be Materialistic? by EfemenaXY: 7:54pm On Aug 15, 2012
dayokanu: To show your wife you love her

1. Show her respect: Never talk down on her whether in public or private, open, and hold, doors for her, let her always enter before you, and standing up for her when someone insults her.

But to the naija women, You can insult all their lineage as long as you buy them Blackberry you are loving

2. Show her romance. touch her face, kiss her, hug her, and one that’s important but also usually one of the first things to be forgotten – soul gaze. A random text, a random phone call, you could leave her a small notes telling her how much difference she has made in your life.

But to the typical naija women they would say shey na romance I go chop.

3. Show respect to her Family; Hold her values high dont talk down her people or friends

But to the typical Naija woman as long as money no follow nothing for you

4. Never forget to tell your wife the specific difference she has made in your life and why you want to continue being with her. Compliment her for the things you see in her.


And a million other things

Question: 17:12pm
Answer : 17:32pm
Time lapse / response time: 20 minutes.

Dayo, a whole 20mins! Pls paste the link where you got that write-up from, because I know there is no way on earth that response would have come from your heart/mind.

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