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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by vislabraye(m): 3:04am On Aug 25, 2012
Yorubas are generally respectful. When it comes to religious tolerance, Christians (protestant xtians
if you put it that way) are the most tolerant irrespective of their tribe. For instance JW believe they're the only one who would make it to Heaven. Catholics don't like the pentecostals, in fact they were the ones who gave them the name, protestant which is very derogatory.
And ps don't even mention the religion of the Ismaelite. They are terror.
Religion is very powerful. It subdues cultural beliefs.
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Nobody: 3:18am On Aug 25, 2012
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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Nobody: 3:27am On Aug 25, 2012
We should be speaking on how to achieve better unity in Nigeria, and not discussions of tribal supremacy. Arguing about who has the most religious tolerance does not add anything to our lives.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by waja(m): 3:38am On Aug 25, 2012
Yes, they are.
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Nobody: 3:45am On Aug 25, 2012
johnie:
Abiala, Titus
c. 1845 to 1944
Anglican
Nigeria

Titus Abiala was born around 1843 at Ajibesin compound, Modakeke via Ile-Ife, in Modakeke Local Government Area, Osun State, Nigeria. His parents were part of the Modakeke people group, and were followers of Obatala (a Yoruba divinity). In the late 1890s Abiala converted to Christianity after being influenced by the catechist of St. Stephen's Anglican Church, Ita Asin in Modakeke. He then was baptized and took on the baptismal name "Titus." Although he had no formal education, Abiala was able to read the Bible in the Yoruba language.

In 1909 there was a political clash between the Modakeke and Ife people that led to the dispersal of the Modakeke to different Yoruba towns, including Gbongan, Ikire, Apomu, Tonkere, and Odeomu. Abiala decided to settle in Gbongan and became the first person to make Christianity known there.

The place where Abiala settled in Gbongan was named Ajibesin compound after his ancestral home in Modakeke. Here he began a Bible study group with a few Christian immigrants from Modakeke. They met near a blacksmith's workshop, in the house of a man named Ogundele.

However, the people of Gbongan were very hostile toward this new religion. Mainly Muslims or worshippers of Egungun (the collective spirit of the ancestors, worshipped through masquerades), they considered it an assault against their traditional beliefs, and persecuted Abiala and the other Christian converts. Sacrifices were put at the place where they met, and on several occasions masqueraders beat the Christians. Christians and Muslims clashed when the latter were accused of disturbing the Christians' Sunday worship with noise. In 1910 this even led to litigation at the high court of justice in Ibadan. Another time the Christians protested when the Kanmoloolu masqueraders disturbed their Sunday worship with the beating of their drums. This led to a brawl in which Abiala's wife, Mrs. Merian Omirinde, was injured with a charm. The wound would not heal, even with medicine, and she died as a result.

Abiala was a man of prayer and faith, even treating those who had small pox with prayers. His activities led to the founding of St. Paul's Anglican Church, Gbongan, in Ayedaade Local Government Area of Osun State. Many of his children and grandchildren have taken up service as priests. His eldest daughter, Julianah Abiala, became an Iya Aladura (prophetess) and one of his grandchildren, the Venerable Babatunde Ebenezer Abiala, is an archdeacon in the Ijebu dioceses of the Anglican Communion in Nigeria (2008).

Ayodele Adetayo Ajayi
Sources:

Pa Caleb Oyetayo, member of Ajibesin house in Gbongan, age 79, interview by author, April 8, 2007, Oke-Elu, Gbongan, Ayedaade Local Government Area, Osun State, Nigeria.
Pa G. O. Adegbenro, Abiala's son-in-law, age 82, interview by author, April 8, 2007, Olufi Area, Gbongan, Ayedaade Local Government Area, Osun State, Nigeria.

This article, received in 2008, was researched and written by Mr. Ayodele Adetayo Ajayi, a student at the Nigerian Baptist Theological Seminary, Ogbomoso, under the supervision of Rev. Dr. Deji Ayegboyin, DACB liaison coordinator.

http://www.dacb.org/stories/aa-print-stories/nigeria/abiala_titus.html
Hope d poster & d writer read dis articl.
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by SPIFF(m): 4:09am On Aug 25, 2012
I served in Niger state in 2000. While the mosques were located in the center of the community I served, churches were allocated lands at the community outskirts. No church is allowed within the town. This cannot happen in SW.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by adconline(m): 4:10am On Aug 25, 2012
Another thing that I respect the Yorubas for is the ability to Nigerianize and commercialize Christian religion as Europeans did centuries ago. Top 7 of out 10 Naija's richest pastors are of Yoruba extraction. Through their ministries, they have been able to build mega churches, schools and hospitals from offerings and tithes of their congregants all over Nigeria. Have you ever wondered how many real estate properties churches like Winners,and RCCG control in Major cities in Naija? While traditional Protestants and Catholics still remit part of their proceeds to England and Rome respectively, these Naija pastors have adopted think home philosophy of keeping all their proceeds in southwest axis- nay Nigeria, thereby contributing to Naija economy.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by dasparrow: 4:15am On Aug 25, 2012
@Post

I think generally speaking, I agree with the author of the article. Most Yorubas (not all) can be ranked as being religion tolerant in comparison to other ethnic groups in Nigeria. This is why you don't see Yoruba muslims blow up Yoruba christians in the South West.
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by authenticblack: 4:29am On Aug 25, 2012
Yoruba's are the most tolerable set of people in Nigeria.......you can all see for yourself the love they extend to strangers. They are good people
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by banwopaul(m): 4:43am On Aug 25, 2012
Well in my own little understanding of the Yoruba cultural heritage with regards to religion, we Yoruba practice what is called polytheism, that is a kind of believing in more than one or two deities.

Yoruba believe there is a supreme being somewhere uo there referred to as Eledumare, or Olorun (Olu-orun), the Lord or master of the universe, who cannot be seen, heard or related to directly except through the medium of his agents like Orunmila, obatala, ogun, Sanyo, oshun, oya, etc.
Even though most of these deities had one time or the other existed as human in history, Yoruba believed that their quest for spiritual power has taken then beyond the level of mere mortals, hence they become what we refer to as orisa-akunlebo.
That is why you will notice that there are more spiritual leaders from Yoruba part of the country than any other parts put together. Yoruba culture believes so much in spirituality. You will never see a true Yoruba man fight over religion. It is a taboo. Rather than fight physically, they will use whatever medium to prove to you that their religion group has the supremacy.

If you want to understand this concept very well, I recommend you watch one of this Mount Zion Films titles 'The gods are dead'. It illustrates everything I've been trying to pass across.

Thanks y'all.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Nobody: 5:03am On Aug 25, 2012
Ekukemania: Igbos and yoruba's shouldn't mix.

Any igbo that mix with them should be banished.
shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by YorubaOmoge: 5:15am On Aug 25, 2012
Shollypopz:
shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked

Stay here a lil longer. You'll see that that's the nicest thing an Igbo man has said about another Yoruba person. grin

Na mental whipping we dey give them.
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by ishmael(m): 5:16am On Aug 25, 2012
johnie: Ibadan masqueraders protest alleged assault
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KEMI OLAITAN 06/07/2012 08:26:00
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Following the alleged assaults on the most fearful masquerade in Ibadanland, “Oloolu’, the masquerade fraternity yesterday stormed the palace of Olubadan, Oba Samuel Odulana Odugade, to formally lodge complaint. It will be recalled that some interior parts of the ancient city, including Popoyemoja, Idi-Arere and Beere among others were in turmoil on Tuesday and Wednesday as a result of the crisis involving the supporters of the masquerade and some youths in the affected areas.

National Mirror gathered that the masquerade and his supporters were injured in the fracas which was described as unprovoked by the leader of the Oloolu family, Ojetunde Akinleye Asoleke, who led the team to the Olubadan Palace.

Asoleke, who is the Olori Alaagbaa of Ibadanland, said the development was a desecration of the tradition and culture of the city, stat-ing that it was the first time such would happen to the masquerade.

He said the assault was orchestrated by some Muslim youths, decrying the indiscriminate arrest of about 20 of his supporters.

Asoleke noted that the most bizarre of the incident was the removal of the traditional regalia of Oloolu as well as the arrest of the carrier.

He dismissed the claim on some local electronic media that the carrier of Oloolu died during the fracas, adding that the news was mischievous.

Asoleke said the Oloolu carrier was critically injured, but not killed as claimed by the media report.

He said: “We feel sad-dened by the report that our man was killed as this was farther from the truth. No doubt, he was badly wound-ed as you can all see (showing the wounds sustained by the Oloolu on his arm and head), but was not killed.

“The costume seized by the men of Operation Burst has been retrieved and the festival would resume in earnest.”

The Olori Alaagbaa, who appealed to the Olubadan to ensure the release of all the supporters arrested and detained by the police, also urged him to prevail on security agencies not to allow them to be used to cause disaffection among the people.


http://nationalmirroronline.net/news/44485.html
And why are we all ignoring this post that is saying something contrary? What about the story of Bishop Oyedepo and his muslim sister that he has refused to help simply becos she's a muslim, and asking her to convert to xtianity before getting any help from him? Does that show anything close to tolerance?

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Nobody: 6:00am On Aug 25, 2012
Dede1:



What an arrant nonsense. Some dingbats such as the author of the above post who were bred in Lagos should keep their wealth of ignorance in their pockets.

So you need to quote the whole OP just to type this thrash? Every day, your IQ keeps going down abysmally.

Old age senility!
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by mejai(m): 6:09am On Aug 25, 2012
which religion tolerance? Yorubas r just wat dey r known for. Anyway na way. No hard feelings here, but when der's friction, d core muslims slaughter dem without pity, cos dey don't belive in yoruba-muslim. Dey see der's as adulterated muslims.
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Nobody: 6:16am On Aug 25, 2012
Ekukemania: Igbos and yoruba's shouldn't mix.

Any igbo that mix with them should be banished.


Really nobody should be interested in mixing up with Clifford Orji's kinsmen.

Imagine me following an Ngwa man to Ossisioma or Isiala Ngwa...no be cannibals I dey follow so?

Really you guys are just EVil By Nature.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Nobody: 6:18am On Aug 25, 2012
mejai: which religion tolerance? Yorubas r just wat dey r known for. Anyway na way. No hard feelings here, but when der's friction, d core muslims slaughter dem without pity, cos dey don't belive in yoruba-muslim. Dey see der's as adulterated muslims.

Simple understandble English is your enemy any day.
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Charlesnerd: 6:23am On Aug 25, 2012
@Topic,

That a man can switch from being a christian to muslim ,then traditionalist does not portray tolerance,rather it portrays a lack of conviction to stick to a particular set of beliefs or ethos.I have seen a yoruba dude who have switched from being from being muslim to christian and has invariably attended all variants of christian churches without any real difference in religiousity or real description of what he actually wants from the churches;I rather find such confusing and I tend to call him a religiously confused man.

I think its something anthropologists should dig deeper to unearth the root cause of such anomalous cultural behaviour. Even the yoruba muslims are not as hardcore as the muslims of the core north as you can find them clubbing and having multiple girlfriends even when islam strictly forbids such and the christians among them are always easily swayed to join pentecostal churches hence the rising wave of pentecostalism especially in the southwest;little wonder the major pentecostal churches are lead by Yorubas.It could have something to do with being liberals,as yorubas are naturally are,unlike in the southeast where people are highly conservative ,hence the dominance of conservative churches (catholic and anglican) and inability of pentecostalism to make inroads.

On a flip side,this could represent cultural dynamism and portray the yoruba as a group of people who are amenable to change ,but it could also portray Yorubas as a people who lack real convictions and lend credence to the belief that a yoruba man should not be trusted for his words as he/she is always ready to switch sides,depending on which position favors him most.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by KINGwax(m): 6:29am On Aug 25, 2012
Desola:

You've attempted this in the past, trying to put Yorubas at loggerheads as to which religion has the majority over the other but it didn't work.

The point with you migrants is that you visit one Yoruba state and conclude that you've seen it all. Lagos, as i've warned you long ago, is not the yardstick for religious representation. Reason being that we have a lot of you migrants there too who come from your enclaves to build churches due to the rights granted you by the Nigerian constitution. Go to other states within Yorubaland and carry out an emperical research and come back to relay your findings. My own assertion is based on origin and first hand experience. Yours is based on sight only.
now let afam be! ur problem is the same source as d problems we have in the north now. have u noticed d aggressiveness in ur choice of words? first ur signature says u're a tribal bigot, ur comment says u're a religious bigot. Wot is d meaning of 'as av warned u..'? Can u jst tell me y some muslim fanatics bilivd in being aggressive in reiterating their point, or y they all hated to be called d minority. Now, if u stay in ibadan, well, u can say afam is wrong, bt elsewhere, u are wrong. U can go die if i hurt u wit d truth.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by YorubaOmoge: 6:31am On Aug 25, 2012
Charles.nerd:
@Topic,

That a man can switch from being a christian to muslim ,then traditionalist does not portray tolerance


That's not the point of the thread. Garbage rants.
The content said nothing about switching from one religion to another. And even if, the ability to step out of one's zone to explore another religious option needs tolerance.
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by segemint(f): 6:32am On Aug 25, 2012
*yawn* next pls! As longs as I live yoruba are no go area for me! Weather de tolerate region or not! Bullishit de dirtiest tribe ever

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by YorubaOmoge: 6:34am On Aug 25, 2012
segemint: *yawn* next pls! As longs as I live yoruba are no go area for me! Weather de tolerate region or not! Bullishit de dirtiest tribe ever

Have you been to onitsha and Aba lately? Very dirty set of people.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by ay0201(m): 6:42am On Aug 25, 2012
johnie:
Abiala, Titus
c. 1845 to 1944
Anglican
Nigeria

Titus Abiala was born around 1843 at Ajibesin compound, Modakeke via Ile-Ife, in Modakeke Local Government Area, Osun State, Nigeria. His parents were part of the Modakeke people group, and were followers of Obatala (a Yoruba divinity). In the late 1890s Abiala converted to Christianity after being influenced by the catechist of St. Stephen's Anglican Church, Ita Asin in Modakeke. He then was baptized and took on the baptismal name "Titus." Although he had no formal education, Abiala was able to read the Bible in the Yoruba language.

In 1909 there was a political clash between the Modakeke and Ife people that led to the dispersal of the Modakeke to different Yoruba towns, including Gbongan, Ikire, Apomu, Tonkere, and Odeomu. Abiala decided to settle in Gbongan and became the first person to make Christianity known there.

The place where Abiala settled in Gbongan was named Ajibesin compound after his ancestral home in Modakeke. Here he began a Bible study group with a few Christian immigrants from Modakeke. They met near a blacksmith's workshop, in the house of a man named Ogundele.

However, the people of Gbongan were very hostile toward this new religion. Mainly Muslims or worshippers of Egungun (the collective spirit of the ancestors, worshipped through masquerades), they considered it an assault against their traditional beliefs, and persecuted Abiala and the other Christian converts. Sacrifices were put at the place where they met, and on several occasions masqueraders beat the Christians. Christians and Muslims clashed when the latter were accused of disturbing the Christians' Sunday worship with noise. In 1910 this even led to litigation at the high court of justice in Ibadan. Another time the Christians protested when the Kanmoloolu masqueraders disturbed their Sunday worship with the beating of their drums. This led to a brawl in which Abiala's wife, Mrs. Merian Omirinde, was injured with a charm. The wound would not heal, even with medicine, and she died as a result.

Abiala was a man of prayer and faith, even treating those who had small pox with prayers. His activities led to the founding of St. Paul's Anglican Church, Gbongan, in Ayedaade Local Government Area of Osun State. Many of his children and grandchildren have taken up service as priests. His eldest daughter, Julianah Abiala, became an Iya Aladura (prophetess) and one of his grandchildren, the Venerable Babatunde Ebenezer Abiala, is an archdeacon in the Ijebu dioceses of the Anglican Communion in Nigeria (2008).

Ayodele Adetayo Ajayi
Sources:

Pa Caleb Oyetayo, member of Ajibesin house in Gbongan, age 79, interview by author, April 8, 2007, Oke-Elu, Gbongan, Ayedaade Local Government Area, Osun State, Nigeria.
Pa G. O. Adegbenro, Abiala's son-in-law, age 82, interview by author, April 8, 2007, Olufi Area, Gbongan, Ayedaade Local Government Area, Osun State, Nigeria.

This article, received in 2008, was researched and written by Mr. Ayodele Adetayo Ajayi, a student at the Nigerian Baptist Theological Seminary, Ogbomoso, under the supervision of Rev. Dr. Deji Ayegboyin, DACB liaison coordinator.

http://www.dacb.org/stories/aa-print-stories/nigeria/abiala_titus.html
Oketayo or Oyetayo? Pls verify and confirm.
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Charlesnerd: 6:44am On Aug 25, 2012
Yoruba_Omoge:

That's not the point of the thread. Garbage rants.
The content said nothing about switching from one religion to another. And even if, the ability to step out of one's zone to explore another religious option needs tolerance.

I guess you lack reading comprehension?.Its people like you that read news headlines and make up news without actually bothering to read the full content.Little wonder they say "if you want to hide something from an african,put it inside a book,cos he will never read it".

For benefit of doubt,below is a portion of the main article for your reading comprehension.

Compare that with a typical Yoruba
family. A couple with six children could
have a family like this: the man is a
Muslim; the wife attends the Celestial
Church of Christ; the first child started
as a Muslim but converted to
Christianity and is now a member of a
Pentecostal church; the second child is
a devout Muslim; the third and fifth
children are members of the Methodist
or Baptist church; the fourth child
attends no church or mosque but
prefers the Yoruba gods whenever he
has any spiritual needs; and the last
child is an Anglican.
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Ndata(m): 6:46am On Aug 25, 2012
Ok we have heard! Yorubas are the most educated,the most sophisticated,most enterprising,the cleanest,Yorubas don't cheat,they don't rob,Yorubas don't do human ritual,Yorubas are the most hardworking,most accommodating,Yorubas don't commit crimes,i-n-c-e-s-t.Yorubas are the most religious tolerant of all the tribes in Nigeria.Can we close this thread.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Nobody: 6:48am On Aug 25, 2012
Ndata: Ok we have heard! Yorubas are the most educated,the most sophisticated,most enterprising,the cleanest,Yorubas don't cheat,they don't rob,Yorubas don't do human ritual,Yorubas are the most hardworking,most accommodating,Yorubas don't commit crimes,i-n-c-e-s-t.Yorubas are the most religious tolerant of all the tribes in Nigeria.Can we close this thread.

You forgot to add they don't lure unsuspecting girls to hotels and then rap.e and murder them.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Mekanze: 6:51am On Aug 25, 2012
Geomac: I think Yoruba are generally like that, even here in the North they live peacefully with their neighbours regardless of your religion.
Than tell me the people that are violence.
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Obinoscopy(m): 6:53am On Aug 25, 2012
Very true! The yoruba's are the most tolerant while the hausa's are the least

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by YorubaOmoge: 6:53am On Aug 25, 2012
Ndata: Ok we have heard! Yorubas are the most educated,the most sophisticated,most enterprising,the cleanest,Yorubas don't cheat,they don't rob,Yorubas don't do human ritual,Yorubas are the most hardworking,most accommodating,Yorubas don't commit crimes,i-n-c-e-s-t.Yorubas are the most religious tolerant of all the tribes in Nigeria.Can we close this thread.

Acceptance.

Isn't the 5th step. Good boy.

Charles.nerd:


I guess you lack reading comprehension?.Its people like you that read news headlines and make up news without actually bothering to read the full content.Little wonder they say "if you want to hide something from an african,put it inside a book,cos he will never read it".

For benefit of doubt,below is a portion of the main article for your reading comprehension.



Ok, dummy, let me break down that tiny paragraph for you.

1. Two people of different religion marries
2. Their children later found their own religion.

People often stray from their parent's religion once they're able to find the religion that better suits them. The paragraph did not talk about one person switching to several religion in his lifetime as you ignorantly put in your previous post.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by YorubaOmoge: 6:53am On Aug 25, 2012
Mekanze: Than tell me the people that are violence.

There's no non-violent group of people in this face of earth. However, one group is more violent than the other wink
Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by YorubaOmoge: 6:54am On Aug 25, 2012
So many ediots on this thread. Haba!!

Explains the JAMB and WAEC test failures.

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Re: Are The Yoruba The Number One In Religious Tolerance? by Mekanze: 7:00am On Aug 25, 2012
Charles.nerd:
@Topic,

That a man can switch from being a christian to muslim ,then traditionalist does not portray tolerance,rather it portrays a lack of conviction to stick to a particular set of beliefs or ethos.I have seen a yoruba dude who have switched from being from being muslim to christian and has invariably attended all variants of christian churches without any real difference in religiousity or real description of what he actually wants from the churches;I rather find such confusing and I tend to call him a religiously confused man.Gbam broda u know them.

I think its something anthropologists should dig deeper to unearth the root cause of such anomalous cultural behaviour. Even the yoruba muslims are not as hardcore as the muslims of the core north as you can find them clubbing and having multiple girlfriends even when islam strictly forbids such and the christians among them are always easily swayed to join pentecostal churches hence the rising wave of pentecostalism especially in the southwest;little wonder the major pentecostal churches are lead by Yorubas.It could have something to do with being liberals,as yorubas are naturally are,unlike in the southeast where people are highly conservative ,hence the dominance of conservative churches (catholic and anglican) and inability of pentecostalism to make inroads.

On a flip side,this could represent cultural dynamism and portray the yoruba as a group of people who are amenable to change ,but it could also portray Yorubas as a people who lack real convictions and lend credence to the belief that a yoruba man should not be trusted for his words as he/she is always ready to switch sides,depending on which position favors him most.

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