OLAADEGBU:


When the Bible says "God" in most cases it refers to God the Father. The Son of God had to become the Son of man so as to make man become the sons of God. This was the arrangement God made to redeem us back to Him. The Father is not inferior to the Son neither is the Son or the Holy Spirit inferior to the Father but they perform different roles in our creation and redemption.

OLAADEGBU:


Each member of the Trinity are equal in being, but subordinate in role and this is what is called the ontological equality but economic subordination which is seen in human relationships such as in marriage and working relationships. My boss at work and myself are equal in our being but if my boss tells me to do a job for him and I obey him, that doesn't mean that I am inferior to him but because he has authority over me because he is my boss and we perform different roles to get the job done. The same goes with the relationship between the husband and the wife as my picture depicted earlier. Therefore, Jesus, the Son and God the Father are both equal in their being but different in their roles.

frosbel:

So GOD exalted himself

frosbel:
Hmm, how does this correlate with the former statement.

In the former, God exalts the MAN Jesus, in the later, God issues a decree.

English is so simple.

frosbel:
Hmm, but he is not on the throne of GOD , he is at the right hand of GOD, how does this make him GOD.

There is only ONE GOD who sits on his throne with his Son the Lord Jesus at his right hand side.

"And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb . . . And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him (Rev. 22:1,3)

"For I testify to every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add to these things, God shall add to him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book (Rev. 22:18-19)

frosbel:
Especially when this GOD is qualified with Almighty , it always refers to Yahweh.

The SON is indeed inferior to the father and the Spirit is actually God's spirit not a seperate person.

Please try not to confine God to heaven.

"I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM (John 8:58)

frosbel:
What a nonsense statement.

Equal but subordinate, lol. What does this mean .

frosbel:
Theological gibberish.

A Man is a person and his WIFE is a person, they are only one in function and purpose not in essense. In other words, they are 2 Persons, not 1 Person = 2.

frosbel:
I go die oooo .....

frosbel:
You are inferior to your boss in position , trust me.

Therefore you are his/her subordinate.

frosbel:
The other way round, they are equal in role and purpose but different in being.

Hope this helps.

OLAADEGBU:

Tell me what you mean by the term "God" and let us start from there.

The Trinity is defined as one God who exists in three eternal,
simultaneous, and distinct
persons known as the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit.

OLAADEGBU:

What is your understanding of the title Son of God and Son of man to start with?

Before He ascended to heaven do you believe that He first descended to earth?

Boomark:

So before He became the son of
God and son of Man, what was
He called and His position then?

Boomark:
And when He ascended to
heaven did He go back to that
position?

Boomark:

This is your definition of trinity. I know the persons of the Father, Son and Holyspirit. So what or who is the bolded?

honeychild: @olaadegbu

Let me see if I got your illustrations correctlyh: in the case of yourself and your boss, you are not inferior to him because you are both human beings, right? Please tell me if we are on the same page.

Boomark:

Son of God=begotten by God
Son of man=in the likeness of men.

Boomark:
Yes

Boomark:
So answer my question so we don't digress

honeychild:

Now in the case of Jesus and His father they are equal because they are both spirit beings? Am I understanding you correctly?

OLAADEGBU:

Three-in-Oneness in the Godhead:

Scriptures indicate there is three-in-oneness in the godhead.

In Matthew 28:19, the bodily resurrected Jesus instructed the disciples,

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19).

The word name is singular in Greek, thereby indicating God's oneness. However,the definite articles in front of Father, Son and Holy Spirit (in the original Greek) indicate they are distinct personalities, even though there is just one God. These distinct personalities relate to each other. The Father and the Son, for example, know each other (Matthew 11:27), love each other (John 3:35), speak to each other (John 11:41-42). The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus at His baptism (Luke 3:22), He is called another comforter or helper (John 14:16), He was sent by the Father and Jesus (John 15:26), and He seeks to glorify Jesus (John 16:13-14).

A Simple Analogy

A helpful analogy of the Godhead is that God is like a triangle that is one figure yet has three different sides (or corners) at the same time. So there is a simultaneous threeness and oneness. Of course, no analogy is perfect since in every analogy there is a similarity and a difference. The difference here is that "sides" or "corners" are not persons. Nonetheless, the triangle does illustrate how there can be threeness and oneness at the same time. While there is one God, there are three persons within the One God. QED .

OLAADEGBU:




He was and is still God. The incarnation of God is what Son of man is.

ijawkid:

Ezekiel was called the ""son of man"" more than 10 times.....

Was he the invincible GOD incarnate too??...

It seems you don't know the meaning of the expression ""son of man""

Son of God/Son of Man

"And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." (Matthew 8:20)

It is significant that although Christ clearly taught that He was the unique Son of God, He most frequently referred to Himself as Son of man, earnestly desiring that people understand His true and representative humanity.

The very first use of the phrase is in Psalm 8:4: "What is . . . the son of man, that thou visitest him?" Although David may have been thinking of all "sons of Adam" in general, the writer of Hebrews applied the passage specifically to Christ (Hebrews 2:6), "that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9). In order to save lost men, God in Christ had to become man through supernatural incarnation. Then, as perfect, sinless man, He could represent us before God, finally tasting death for every man.

The vital importance of the incarnation is affirmed by John: "Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God" (1 John 4:2-3). It is noteworthy that Satan and his evil spirits would recognise Christ as the Son of God (Matthew 4:3; 8:28-29), but never as the Son of man! This reluctance seems also to characterise all the occultic philosophies of the so-called "New Age" movement, as well as all ancient and modern pantheistic religions. They speak glibly of "the Christ" as a spirit which might come on many, but bitterly refuse to acknowledge that the man Jesus was actually the Son of man, God incarnate.

Finally, it is thrilling to realise that, although He only became the Son of man through His incarnation, He will always remain the Son of man! John saw Him in His glory--as we shall see Him in eternity--as "one like unto the Son of man" (Revelation 1:13; 14:14). HMM

OLAADEGBU:

Here is an article for your perusal that I posted on another thread. If it does not suffice then I believe that is only God that can help you to comprehend it.

"In every major phase of the redemption, each Person of the Godhead is directly involved. Their involvement in each successive phase may be set out as follows:

Incarnation. The Father incarnated the Son in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit. (Lk.1:35).

Baptism in the Jordan River. The Spirit descended on the Son, and the Father spoke His approval from heaven (Matt.3:14-17).

Public ministry. The Father anointed the Son with the Spirit (Acts 10:38).

The crucifixion. Jesus offered Himself to the Father through the Spirit (Heb.9:14).

The resurrection. The Father resurrected the Son by the Spirit (Acts 2:32; Rom.1:4).

Pentecost. From the Father the Son received the Spirit, whom He then poured out on His disciples (Acts 2:33).

Each Person of the Godhead -- and I mean this reverently -- was jealous to be included in the process of redeeming humanity." -- Derek Prince, Atonement

OLAADEGBU:

I have given you my definition of the Godhead, I am asking you to clarify what you mean by the word God or do you agree with my definition?

OLAADEGBU:

He was and is still God. The incarnation of God is what Son of man is.

Boomark:

You gave me a definition which i didn't understand. As your new convert i asked you if the word "God" refers to a person or title(name) or a thing according to your definition. Because you used "Who" after 'God.' Your definition no gel.

Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word "Trinity" is not used in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are 3 coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting 3 Gods. The Trinity is 1 God made up of 3 persons.

Boomark:

You have dodged this question too much.

1 In whose nature and image was Jesus before he was begotten? The Father's or His own?

"To beget is to become the father of: to create is to make. And the difference is this. When you beget, you beget something of the same kind as yourself. A man begets human babies, a beaver begets little beavers, But when you make, you make something of a different kind from yourself. A bird makes a nest, a beaver builds a dam . . . Now that is the first thing to get clear. What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man. What God creates is not God, just as what man makes is not man. That is why men are not Sons of God in the sense that Christ is. They may be like God in certain ways, but they are not things of the same kind."

OLAADEGBU:

What you need is the Holy Spirit to convince, convict and then convert you and make you a partaker of the divine nature of God. It is only then that you will see what the Bible says.

Boomark:
You gave me a definition which
i didn't understand. As your
new convert i asked you if the
word "God" refers to a person
or title(name) or a thing
according to your definition.
Because you used "Who" after
'God.' Your definition no gel.

What you need is the Holy Spirit
to convince, convict and then
convert you and make you a
partaker of the divine nature of
God. It is only then that you will
see what the Bible says.

Keep in mind when studying
this subject that the word
"Trinity" is not used in
Scripture. This is a term that is
used to attempt to describe the
triune God, the fact that there
are 3 coexistent, co-eternal
persons that make up God.
Understand that this is NOT in
any way suggesting 3 Gods. The
Trinity is 1 God made up of 3
persons.

OLAADEGBU:

The answers are all over the thread, it is you that don't seem to see them. Let me give you what C.S. Lewis said about the only begotten Son of the Father: "[/b]to beget is to become the father of : to create is to make.[b]

Boomark:
You have dodged this question
too much.

1 In whose nature and image
was Jesus before he was
begotten? The Father's or His
own?

"To beget is to become the
father of: to create is to make.
And the difference is this. When
you beget, you beget
something of the same kind as
yourself. A man begets human
babies, a beaver begets little
beavers, But when you make,
you make something of a
different kind from yourself. A
bird makes a nest, a beaver
builds a dam . . . Now that is the
first thing to get clear. What
God begets is God; just as what
man begets is man. What God
creates is not God, just as what
man makes is not man. That is
why men are not Sons of God in
the sense that Christ is. They
may be like God in certain
ways, but they are not things of
the same kind ."

Boomark:

Please help me understand it by the spirit that is leading you. The question i asked is based on your definition. Unles it is difficult to answer and you want to redefine it, no problem.

The Hebrew for "God" is the uni-plural Elohim, a plural noun (as noted by the “im” ending), yet normally represented by a singular pronoun "He." This is the first foreshadowing of the marvelous doctrine of the Trinity—only one Creator God, yet functioning as three divine Persons.

Boomark:

what you did here is to explain begotten Son. The main question is the bolded above.

honeychild:

Okay, so Jesus was begotten, not created. Fine. That is perfectly acceptable and biblical. But the next logical point to reach is that [/b]his life began from God. God brought him into existence [b] by begetting him. Nobody brought God into existence.

5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature God,

did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

7 but made himself nothing,

taking the very nature of a servant,

being made in human likeness.

8 And being found in appearance as a man,

he humbled himself

and became obedient to death—

even death on a cross!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Keep in mind when studying
this subject that the word
"Trinity" is not used in
Scripture. This is a term that is
used to attempt to describe the
triune God, the fact that there
are 3 coexistent, co-eternal
persons that make up God.
Understand that this is NOT in
any way suggesting 3 Gods. The
Trinity is 1 God made up of 3
persons.

Boomark:
1 Corinthians 8:6
New International Version (NIV)

6 yet for us there is but one God,
the Father, from whom all things
came and for whom we live; and
there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things came
and through whom we live.
But Why is 1 God here referring
to the Father(1 person) while one
lord refers to Jesus Christ? It is
clear that Jesus is not part if the 1
God mentioned here. Why?

OLAADEGBU:

You need to go to the Holy Spirit Himself for He shall guide you into the truth.

OLAADEGBU:

Get the first thing first; What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man, do you agree with this?