Todaynatoday: Oh! I see, but I thought that early christians made use of these books before compilation of the Bible. Methinks Reincarnation might be true. By the way (off topic) why were such books declared apocryphal?

Todaynatoday: Oh! I see, but I thought that early christians made use of these books before compilation of the Bible. Methinks Reincarnation might be true. By the way (off topic) why were such books declared apocryphal?

truthislight:
leave the guy he thinks it is for fun.

He thinks every thing is indian hem.

obadiah777: CHIEF PHARISEE SERIALLINK I TROWAY SALUTE SIR LOLZ

seriallink:

I troway salute my fellow pharisee. You made the list too; remember you gave me the power to add to the list. I have done that go check

obadiah777: LET ME FIND OUT YOU ADDED ME TO THE LIST. I SHALL SLAY YOU WITH A TWO EDGED SWORD LOLZ

obadiah777: ECCLESIASTICUS 21 VS 27 When the ungodly curseth Satan, he curseth his own souL <<< SATAN IS IN EVERY SPIRIT MADE BY GOD

ECCLESIASTICUS 33 VS 15 So look upon all the works of the most High; and there are two and two, one against another.

obadiah777: NAH THE STORY OF LAZARUS IS A PARABLE

seriallink:

I troway salute my fellow pharisee. You made the list too; remember you gave me the power to add to the list. I have done that go check

obadiah777: WHY DO THOU PERSECUTETH ME TRUTHISLIGHT

Todaynatoday:
By the way (off topic) why were such books declared apocryphal?

obadiah777: NOW HERE IS AN INTELLIGENT MAN. WELL LET ME TELL YOU WHY THEY WERE MADE APOCRYPHAL. WHEN THE GREEK EMPIRE TOOK OVER THE WORLD FOLLOWED BY THE ROMAN EMPIRE. THEY STARTED SOMETHING CALLED ICONOCLASM. THEY WANTED THE WORLD TO BELIEVE THAT CIVILIZATION STARTED WITH THE GREEKS. HOWEVER IN THE APOCRYPHAL IT CLEARLY STATES THAT THE GREEKS AND ROMANS ARE CAVEMEN WHO LIVED IN THE ROCKS OF MT SEIR BEFORE THEY TOOK OVER THE WORLD AND THAT CIVILIZATION STARTED WITH THE NEGROS. SO THIS PART OF THE BIBLE HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT TO SUPPORT THEIR ICONOCLASTIC LIES OF THE GRECO-ROMAN EMPIRE BEING THE CIVILIZERS OF THE WORLD.

THE APOCRYPHA ARE THE BOOKS TAKEN OUT BETWEEN MALACHI AND MATTHEW. THEY INCLUDE BOOKS LIKE THE MACCABEES, ECCLESIASTICUS, WISDOM OF SOLOMON, TOBIT

Todaynatoday:
By the way (off topic) why were such books declared apocryphal?

truthislight:
the OT are writing by prophet of Yahweh, Judges of Yahweh, approved kings of Yahweh, and the levit.

The NT is an exclusive teaching and epistles of christ apostles(mark and luke wrote history)

who wrote the apocriphals?

Definitely not individual on that group.

Boomark:

I hope you added everything that belongs him there, under pharisees and sadusees?

Also create a list for Gentiles. He should be the only one in this list.

obadiah777: I AM SURE YOU DID NOT HEAR ME SAY GOD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SINS

JAMES 1 VS 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

ijawkid:

Lol.....the bible does not teach re-incarnation,rather it teaches ressurection.....

Those kids aren't the re-incarnates of the spirits of formally dead persons.....you ERR my bro on this re-incarnation wahala........

truthislight:


satan started in heaven.

The one who troubles them day and night.

Since Adam was a freewill entity he has to put the symbol of his authority in the Garden so that as long as Adam keep obedient to him he will not fall for satan as some other angels in heaven had followed satan.

Roman 16:16- to whomever you obey such is you master.

As long that Adam keep obedience to God by not eating from the tree God remain with him, so when he disobeyed God abandon him.

But for satan to proof his challenge to God that Adam will be better off eating the fruit time was needed to proof whose principle was better for man.

If God had kill satan the challenge will not have been answered.

Infact it would have appeared that God was a cruel dictator that abuses his power and kills whomever opposes him.

doubleDx:


So, there is no such thing as original sin afterall? If man was created with the ability to sin from the beginning, why blame him for sinning?

Todaynatoday: Oh! I see, but I thought that early christians made use of these books before compilation of the Bible. Methinks Reincarnation might be true. By the way (off topic) why were such books declared apocryphal?

truthislight:
the OT are writing by prophet of Yahweh, Judges of Yahweh, approved kings of Yahweh, and the levit.
The NT is an exclusive teaching and epistles of christ apostles(mark and luke wrote history)

who wrote the apocriphals?

Definitely not individual on that group.

Ubenedictus: they are called apocryphal by protestants becos martin luthur removed them from the protestant bible in the 16 century, those book are part of the christian bible compiled by the early christians!

obadiah777: LET ME TELL YOU WHY THEY WERE MADE APOCRYPHAL. WHEN THE GREEK EMPIRE TOOK OVER THE WORLD FOLLOWED BY THE ROMAN EMPIRE. THEY STARTED SOMETHING CALLED ICONOCLASM. THEY WANTED THE WORLD TO BELIEVE THAT CIVILIZATION STARTED WITH THE GREEKS. HOWEVER IN THE APOCRYPHAL IT CLEARLY STATES THAT THE GREEKS AND ROMANS ARE CAVEMEN WHO LIVED IN THE ROCKS OF MT SEIR BEFORE THEY TOOK OVER THE WORLD AND THAT CIVILIZATION STARTED WITH THE NEGROS. SO THIS PART OF THE BIBLE HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT TO SUPPORT THEIR ICONOCLASTIC LIES OF THE GRECO-ROMAN EMPIRE BEING THE CIVILIZERS OF THE WORLD.

THE APOCRYPHA ARE THE BOOKS TAKEN OUT BETWEEN MALACHI AND MATTHEW. THEY INCLUDE BOOKS LIKE THE MACCABEES, ECCLESIASTICUS, WISDOM OF SOLOMON, TOBIT

AND IN TAKING OUT THOSE BOOKS FROM THE BIBLE THEY DUG A HOLE FOR THEMSELVES. REVELATION 22 VS 18 AND 19 SAYS DO NOT TAKE AWAY ANY PART OF THE BIBLE.

seriallink:

The Book of Enoch is one of them?

Ubenedictus: pls dont spin d discussion off on a tangent.

Ubenedictus: God didnt need satan's "proof" my bible say the lord knows the end from the begining, he didnt need to see adam eat d fruit b4 he will know dat satan'r plan was nuts.

Ubenedictus: there is original sin i never denied that "as sin came into d world thru one man so did salvation...". What i contend with is truthislight's claim that God wanted to give satan a chance to prove dat satans' plans will b good 4 man, that i repeat is a load of crap! God already knew what d outcome of satan's pranks will be all God need is for man-a free willed creature to chose wu will be his master, and unfortunately man in adam made the wrong choice and "wanted to be like gods" and disobeyed God.

Ubenedictus: God didnt need satan's "proof" my bible say the lord knows the end from the begining,

Ubenedictus: they are called apocryphal by protestants becos martin luthur removed them from the protestant bible in the 16 century, those book are part of the christian bible compiled by the early christians!

Ubenedictus:

obadiah777: I AM SURE YOU DID
NOT HEAR ME SAY GOD IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SINS
JAMES 1 VS 13 Let no man say
when he is tempted, I am
tempted of God: for God cannot
be tempted with evil, neither
tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted,
when he is drawn away of his
own lust, and enticed.

amen

truthislight:

i dont know how this ^^^ translate to what you had said "that God knows the end from the beginning of everything and how it will turn out"

meaning that Yahweh already knows/created Adam that satan will test him and Adam will fall right from the start.

That is all we have is the way Yahweh predestined it to be.

Why twist the meaning of what you had said?

was this not what you had said to me:



^^^ is what i mean, the other is a comaflag.

you will change like a camelaeon?

It also means that there is nothing like the original sin since all is a stage by Yahweh.

You completely contradicted the bible and called God a liar.

May be that is what you learnt in your.......

truthislight:

Adam was a free moral Agent or freewill agent.

What is the use of freewill if Adam could not exercised it?

If you should build a toy car with a remote control and then remote controlled it into a ditched after which you pulled it out and smartched it for falling into the ditch.

Between you and the toy car who is insane?
Are you not the one that drove it into the ditched?

If Adam was predestined to eat the fruit, it would mean insanity on Yahweh's part to come and punish him with death including his children that has all been predestined also since he did the predestination in the firstt place. Who is fooling who?

Friend, set your theory/theology right and stop painting Yahweh black.

That i love and can play music does not mean that i will be playing music 24/7, 30days a month/ 365days a year till infinity.

^^^ No

there is time for every thing.

I will play music and also do other things.

We are created in God's image.

Yahweh does only what that pleases him in justice and love.

He says his face is toward the righteouse and the unrighteouse are something detestable to him his eye does not behold evil.

Yes, if he wishes, he can foretell the future like in the case of Jesus coming to earth and Giving us a kingdom.

That does not mean that he does not endowed his intelligent creatures with dignity to decide what to do.

If satan feels that God predestine every person why did he go and tempt Adam and succeeded and went for Jesus and fail?

The truth is that satan knows that Yahweh does not predestined human and that is why he goes and tempt them to fall.

He only offered Job protection and not that he had predestined Job, so, satan only ask that the protection be removed.

Yes, satan needed worship from Yahweh's intelligent creatures and has started out in heaven, but Adam had a choice on who to obey and hence the instructions.

Yahweh is a God of Justice Job 34:10-12

^^^

"Yahweh is a God of justice and does not pervat judgment, according to the way earthling man acts so God will reward him"

very long post one i agree with u just didnt address my points! God allowed adam to chose, he also knew that adam will fall, God didnt need to see d result of satans deception b4 he would to know that satan is a liar, no! GOD ALWAY KNEW THE RESULT OF SATANS DECEPTION EVEN B4 IT WAS ACCOMPLISHED. That is my point.

truthislight:

i dont know how this ^^^ translate to what you had said "that God knows the end from the beginning of everything and how it will turn out"

meaning that Yahweh already knows/created Adam that satan will test him and Adam will fall right from the start.

That is all we have is the way Yahweh predestined it to be.

Why twist the meaning of what you had said?

was this not what you had said to me:



^^^ is what i mean, the other is a comaflag.

you will change like a camelaeon?

It also means that there is nothing like the original sin since all is a stage by Yahweh.

You completely contradicted the bible and called God a liar.

May be that is what you learnt in your.......

truthislight:

and you have not told us which of christ apostles wrote the apocriphal books since the NT are written by christ apostles.

Boomark:

You shouted amen to this but fail to ask him what the half satanic spirit he said God created in every being (including jesus) is doing there. The one that also tempted Jesus.

SMH for follow follow people!

Boomark:

You shouted amen to this but fail to ask him what the half satanic spirit he said God created in every being (including jesus) is doing there. The one that also tempted Jesus.

SMH for follow follow people!