Seun:

Jesus, his disciples, and early Christians lived in a world where slavery was commonly practiced, and yet it never occurred to them to condemn slave ownership anywhere in the Bible. They even allowed slave owners to join the church without being required to free their slaves. How can you claim that biblical morality is superior in light of this fact?

Logicboy03:


Why do christians like to redefine things? Soon Goshen and Truthislight will redefine "slavery" to "paid servitude".


We are to believe that working conditions in biblical times (before the dark ages) were humane with beating and marking your slaves allowed?



I am tired of the lies

truthislight:

are scriptures that give commandment to christians to take force labour?

Please, can i see them?
Hank you.

musKeeto: What's this guy saying? Is being saved all there is to Christianity?

Are there rewards for being a Christian? Will Jesus reward for your works? Yes, He will.. End of story..
It doesn't matter if you feel like you're doing some kind of charity for God cause He loves you and has given you grace to do so. Fact of the matter is at the end, you'll be rewarded for your works..

Question: Are a Christian's good 'works/deeds' acceptable to Christ? What about an unbeliever/atheist?
If no to question 2, why?

So God's Nature makes him crave worship? How interesting...

Seun:
You're trying to distract us from the main point - that the bible does not condemn the practice of slavery - by posting irrelevant stories. If the moral standard of the bible is so high, how come slave-keeping, which was widely practiced in biblical times, is never recognized as an unacceptable evil in the bible? Why is it that God intends to cast liars into the lake that burneth with fire and brimestone, but has no such plan for people who buy, sell and own other human beings? How can a book be held as the ultimate moral standard of the universe when it tolerates and fails to condemn the deplorable and unacceptable practice of slavery, which no sane human being alive today would condone or tolerate?

Mr_Anony:
You are still missing the mark. You are reducing a relationship with christ to a business transaction. That is the wrong way to go about it. For instance: Will your wife have sex with you if you are nice to her? Yes she will but that doesn't mean that the aim of being nice to your wife is so that she can have sex with you. Do you know what it means to love?

Mr_Anony:
If a person declares his/her hatred for God and refuses to have anything to do with Him, why should God force the person into His presence against the person's will?

Mr_Anony:
What??!

Mr_Anony:
God loves us not because we merit it or because we deserve it in any way but because of His nature.

Don't just say to each other, 'We're safe, for we are descendants of Abraham.' That means nothing, for I tell you, God can create children of Abraham from these very stones.

truthislight: ..................

Logicboy03:



Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

Exodus 21:20-21
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property

Logicboy03:
1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Logicboy03:


5 facts for Truthislight

1) All older bibles use the words "slaves" for the 3 verses I wrote.

2) There is no where in the bible that states that the definition of slaves changed within christianity. That is a baseless claim

3) The old testament is part of christianity

4) How can you claim that your "good" God was involved in a winner take all" battle? where slaves and virgins were taken after genocides? S

5) The old testament is God's word. God commanded his people to take slaves whether you like it or not. That is not a good God.

Logicboy03:
4) How can you claim that your "good" God was involved in a winner take all" battle? where slaves and virgins were taken after

Logicboy03: Employees in the bible? Slave was redefined in the new testament? The bible doesnt support slavery?

When did the bible get so modern?


You christians make me sick sometimes. Your bold lies and remixing for the bible only makes you guys look more and more immoral.

mazaje:

Anony is just lying when he says he was an atheist and I am VERY serious about that. . .His atheism was all about having ideas like rapingg women and feeling no guilt, not been responsible and not accountable for anything because only him mattered to him self etc. . .I was reading a post on psychology today. . . a study was conducted and it showed that in the broad strokes, ideology makes very little difference in the moral decisions most people make. . .People mostly go with their instincts in most cases. . .If his story is true which it is not, then he is just a depraved individual. . .

Purist: For Anony, atheism was virtually all about bashing Christians and asking annoying questions, à la Socrates' method (curious that he paints his "atheism" with a notoriously common stereotype). Dude even went as far as attending Christian fellowships just to bash people. Amazing!

For Anony, choosing to respect an individual's religious belief somehow translated to indirectly acknowledging the same God he claimed didn't exist. Wonderful logic. It is no wonder then that, as a supposed atheist who supposedly was fond of asking questions, he found LaVeyan Satanism appealing.

I also wonder why after reading 'Ivan The Fool', all he 'saw' thereafter was Christ. Why does something tell me that a former Zoroastrian would equally have 'seen' Zoroaster, and a former Islamist would very well have 'seen' Mohammed?

For me, I wouldn't go as far as to say that Anony was never a true atheist, as I'd be quite guilty of committing the No True Scotsman fallacy. My opinion, however, is that Anony was just a young (possibly aggressive) dickhead and an absolute douchebag who was battling within himself with the exuberance of youth, as evidenced by:

(a) his constant eagerness to go all the way to people's worship center to bash them such that he had turned them into his 'victims', and
(b) his eventual adherence to something as ridiculously sick as LaVeyan Satanism

The young Anony eventually found more solace in his abandoned religion, as it was the only thing that could reasonably afford him the luxury of forgiveness and by extension, riddance of guilt whenever he acted out the sick thoughts that dominated his mind. It is therefore not much surprise that he firmly associates atheism (which happened to coincide with this wanton period of his life) with all manner of ills (murder, rape, stealing, etc). Gentlemen, all Anony sought while supposedly being an atheist was simply something to rationalize his deeds, to make him feel good, no matter what he did, no matter how twisted. All of these, he now finds in Christianity.

Praise the Lord!

jayriginal:

Note your bolded bro. No one should say he wasnt a true atheist but the flip side is as Mazaje said: depravity.

Its common for one to hear that atheists seek to escape from morality. Anyone who does that is a beast. Atheist or not. An atheist is an atheist, good, bad or mad.

musKeeto:
I doubt you know what it means to love. Does love come with responsibilities?

There's a reason I used unbeliever, but of course you had to skip that. Would a devout Muslim(tbaba for example) have his good deeds/works accepted by your God?

What what?
Earlier..


It wasn't His nature. It was just His wish.


The earlier you realize you represent a Dictator, the easier it would be for you to understand the OT, the NT, and the anti-Christian position.

truthislight: less i reply you out of context, can you Pls, post the the exact portion you are referencing to and lets see? Peace.

Mr_Anony: I want us to critically examine what the bible says about slavery. If you are interested in proper study, then I await your reply but if you aren't.......well that's just too bad

Logicboy03:


The older bibles (15 of them) use "servant" in that verse.


You were caught preaching falseness.


Just keep quiet

Logicboy03:
If your whole religion is from a fallible human reasoning, then there is no divine! No divine laws and no objective morality. No God.

Logicboy03: Read my previous comments on morality and our natural instincts for survival.

Goshen360:

You see the reason why I don't like arguing with you. When you're shown one thing; you turn your eyes off as if you don't see all because you're heart hardened to know the truth. I can show you many translations that says the same thing about the word 'slave' even though I have shown you three translations that translated 'slave' while some did translate 'servant'. What more are you asking for?. There're two definitions to slave - you should know that by know and stop to narrow down the definition all because you want to discredit the Holy Bible.

Uyi Iredia:

Except your reasoning is infallible. You can't paint human reasoning fallible when you feel like it. In any case, morality is objective in the sense that there is good and evil.




And I've told you that that logic fails because many conducts valued as moral are fatalistic. I've emphasized that there are morals which transcend survival instincts. Yet you play deaf.

Logicboy03:


You contradict yourself left and right. Human reasoning is fallibel and infallible.

You say that there are morals that transcend survival instincts, I say that you are re.tarded because I have made that point a million times.



You seriously dont read my arguments, you just carry on forward like a bull in one direction screaming "I don't believe in evolution and so Logicboy is wron on morality"

Uyi Iredia:

I never said human reasoning is fallible and infallible. Ode ! You say I'm retarded I say you are foolish for failing to note that survival instincts is not the basis for human morality. I ask yed you to mention how the human brain start to apprehend morality and you can't give a satisfactory explanation Yet you carry on with your naturalism. Keep on revelling in your stup1dity.

Logicboy03:

Just like a tr.tarded bull running in one direction ou stlll ask the same foolish question. Time and time again, I have explained the problems of this qiestion

Logicboy03: 1) It is irrelevant to the discussion. We have logic and instincts that guide us through morality, how they started in the brain is for evolutionary psychology- something you too retar.ded to accept

Logicboy03: 2) It is a wrongly worded question. Morality is a human concept- reasoning is a mechanism. What you should be asking and why we developed reasoning differently from animals

Uyi Iredia:

Idiot. You explained nothing cogent. I pointed out the problems with your explanation and you are yet to give an answer. All you done so far is to divert the issue with insults.



Ode ! Give the explanation instead of assuming evolutionary psychology has one. In case you don't know there is no generally accepted hypothesis on the evolution of the human intelligence.



No. You said humans are more than matter. When pressed further you alluded to consciousness and the reasoning ability of the brain. You are yet to give a materialistic account of how these developed in order to form a basis for you alluding morality to reason. It's asinine for you to discount my thesis that we are endowed with morality from an intelligent God and yet fail WOEFULLY to explain how morality developed in humans.

Logicboy03:
I give up! You are right! Morality comes from Yaweh who accepts human sacrifice and sanctions slavery!

Logicboy03:
Gaddem psychopath!

Uyi Iredia: Again logicboy FAILS to present a satisfactory account of how morality developed in humans.

Logicboy03: Morality doesnt come from God.


the basis for human morality from evolution and logic.


We define good based on our logic, survival and harm.


We evolve instincts to survive and these insticts forms part of a primal morality. An animalistic morality
Why do we instinctively cuddle babies and breastfeed them? It is an evolutionary instinct to keep them warm and make the survive.

We also do calculations. logical calculations. Why is it evil for a company not to disclose its influential holdings in subsidiaries? Because it logically follows that they can use those subsidiaries to do shady business at the expense of customers and shareholders.




Anony is a tool. He doesnt know jack shytt about morality. Only deluded people claim that morality is from God. We can see what religious peeps are doing today to destroy that notion

Seun:
I'm referencing the entire bible from Genesis to Revelation. Throughout the entire bible, slave-keeping is never condemned as a sin.

Seun:
Actually, I think we should dwell on what the bible does not say about slavery. The bible does not say it is a sin to own or trade slaves.

Logicboy03: