THEPOLY11: Arabic is a language and Islamic is a religion they are both different but always go together , the reason why you study Quran in arabic is to proctect it's value, but the mistake with all black people today is that we buy all these religions and everything that comes with it , and we have no value for anything that is ours, we need to protect our culture as well .

Pratice your religion and do not loose your culture not everything in our culture is bad.....English People call YESHUA-JESUS , AND YORUBA CALL HIM JESU , GOD IS NOT A HUMAN THAT LISTEN TO YOUR VOICE BUT YOUR HEART .

justaqad: Asalam Alaykum.

Islam is a religion not just to he Arabs but to the whole world,Simply by saying 'there is no god apart from God.

شَهِدَ اللّهُ أَنَّهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَالْمَلاَئِكَةُ وَأُوْلُواْ الْعِلْمِ قَآئِمَاً بِالْقِسْطِ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ

God bears witness that there is no other god besides Him, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge."(Verse 3:18)

there is a trend among Muslims which i find not just disturbing but wrong.muslims are submitters to the will of Allah not to the will of Arabs.
we are loosing our identity to the Arabs.the essence of naming is for Identity.when i hear the name Chidi,i know he is Igbo by tribe.but it would be difficult to tell whether Gafar that resides in Oshodi is yoruba,igbo,hausa or Arab.
i fear we are loosing our cultural heritage to the Arabs.i beg to differ there is no such thing as Islamic name.i am not saying Arabic names are bad,but we ought not loose our identity.
i grew up with an Arabic name as my first name,whenever i say my first name,people start asking are you Hausa?it will take me me some seconds to introduce my self.i have since adopted my tribal name as my first,arabic second.
i am proud of my race,i am proud to be called Yoruba.i am not loosing it,not for anything.

Masalam

aribisala0: The Jews claim such a person is a Jew and the christians claim he is Christian. But you Ignore logic and revert to dogma. The quran is using LOGIC to say Abraham was Not a Jew BECAUSE he died before the Torah .He also died before the Quran so that same LOGIC applies otherwise we are wasting time.
What does People of Scripture Mean? Does Not the Quran recognize them as those who surrendered

Were David , Moses and Those Other prophets not Jews. Was Jesus Not a Jew??

NOT ALL HANIFS ARE OR WERE MUSLIM.

The Quran also says
2;62
) Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabians - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.



So not all who surrender are Muslims some are Jews ,Sabaens etc

To be a muslim you have to accept Mohammed as a prophet YES OR NO

all4naija: That means those Muslim names are culturally and silently linked to the Jewish with little tweaks to them.

justaqad:

you are wrong.my actions and deeds should identify me as a muslim rather than my name.using arabic name as first name is loosing my identity.arabic name has no significance in me being a better muslim.



what makes you think i am insecure about my religion?i am not a default kinda muslim.the Quran clearly defines who a muslim is,a muslim is not one who bears arabic names.



at first they have lost their identity.ask any one that have not read or know them.first they will assume they are not africans.they have lost their identity.officially they stopped being yoruba.

aseju: OP, your post is spot on.
When it says give beautiful names on the naming ceremony day, it is allowing for expression, feelings, gratitude for the bundle of joy given.
It can be such as given thanks to the Almighty in my language, eg Oluwaseun. Do I have to go looking for that in arabic language? I dont think so.
It is even getting confusing with interpretation. Al-Gafar or Gafar, for example some will say no to it because it is exclusively Gods attribute, the sole giver of forgiveness. (it has to be Abdul Gafar etc) Express yourself as the occasion calls for, afterall another attribute of his is all-hearing (Al Samiu). The name does not make one a muslim spiritually. It may to the outside world.
The arabic speak in sermons and writings are another. Dont tell me qadr, deen, khutuba etc. Tell me in English, Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa or whatever you are communicating with. Is that what make one a muslim or just a show off. What does saying "Niyat" mean? Why cant I say my intention in my language? I have seen too many instances of that with the clerics giving different variations of which they expect the follower to cram. You want to pray, fast, or sacrifice, I will say the intention freely in my language. I am with you OP.

justaqad:

Read my thread on nairaland then draw your conclusion

justaqad:
stop encouraging evil, you just killed one bar of respect in my radar.there is no justification to el-rufai's retweet.
if reverse were the case,there would have been more christian widows and orphans.

justaqad:
Does it matter what you think of me?
I am a convinced muslim... Is that not enough?read all my topics and post then draw your conclusion.

ayinba1:

The Prophets that you named, (pbut) were all muslims.
So yes, those are muslim names, very muslim names, in fact, you forgot to add Isa and Maryam. The fact that they are Arab or not Arab names does not change the fact that they are muslim names.

Mr4tunate: wat springs up a topic of ds nature is serious vague to my understanding. Having an Islamic name nd using it a d first name shudnt b a big deal. If a joseph or paul will answer d name with great happiness even if hebrew is n more d official christian language, then just y r we complaining of loosing our identity to d arabs? do u even knw dat so many arabs av to change dr names wen embracing islam? dat tells u hw significant a good name is in ds deen. Do u knw dat its mandatory dat one gives one child a beautiful name nd dat d prophet of Allah prefers d names of Allah, d prophets, d sahaabahs nd other beautiful names in dat order?

Mr4tunate:
And most important of all, do u really think ds avenue is d ryt place for ds kinda topic? Eni ti a fe sunje to tun fi epo para, hw pathetic?

murtalaa: @Poster

If you think you will get a pat from these bigots on NL you are sadly mistaken. You will never get anything short of ridicule. let me tell you why you should be proud of your Arabic name: 1. Our beloved prophet was an Arab 2. Qur'an was revealed in Arabic 3. Arabic would be the language of the hereafter.If you don't find these reasons enough to be proud of your Arabic name then you have no besiness identifying yourself as muslim. When people mistake you for hausa, does that implies that you are loosing your identity to Arab? when have Hausas become Arabs?

aseju: OP, your post is spot on.
When it says give beautiful names on the naming ceremony day, it is allowing for expression, feelings, gratitude for the bundle of joy given.
It can be such as given thanks to the Almighty in my language, eg Oluwaseun. Do I have to go looking for that in arabic language? I dont think so.
It is even getting confusing with interpretation. Al-Gafar or Gafar, for example some will say no to it because it is exclusively Gods attribute, the sole giver of forgiveness. (it has to be Abdul Gafar etc) Express yourself as the occasion calls for, afterall another attribute of his is all-hearing (Al Samiu). The name does not make one a muslim spiritually. It may to the outside world.
The arabic speak in sermons and writings are another. Dont tell me qadr, deen, khutuba etc. Tell me in English, Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa or whatever you are communicating with. Is that what make one a muslim or just a show off. What does saying "Niyat" mean? Why cant I say my intention in my language? I have seen too many instances of that with the clerics giving different variations of which they expect the follower to cram. You want to pray, fast, or sacrifice, I will say the intention freely in my language. I am with you OP.

nect: You speak as an ignorant Muslim because you don't know that there is no racism (asabiyyah) in Islam. Unfortunately, you are attempting to create it. Remember, Allah has chosen Arabic as the language everyone (Muslims and non-Muslims alike) will speak when we are dead. Are you going to speak Yoruba then too?

nect:
You must love Arabic for 3 reasons:
(1) it is the language of the Qur'an (Allah himself speaks it)
(2) it is the language of the Prophet (SAW)
(3) it is the language we are all going to speak in our graves.

afam4eva:


The OP wants to know why Muslims see the need to bear Arabic names and some people went ahead to say that it's so that they can be identified as Muslims. My argument is that Arabic names and Muslim names are not the same thing. Kelechi can be a Muslim name and can mean "Thank Allah". As long as it's been used in the Islamic context, then it can be considered to be a Muslim name.

nect:
As for naming, Muslims should name their children from any of these three (3) sources in Islam:
(1) Attributes of Allah eg Abdul Gafar, Abdul Hakeem, etc
(2) the Prophet's names/attributes eg: Muhammad, Sodiq, etc
(3) other Prophets and companions of the Prophet (SAW) eg: Musa, Isah, Ibraheem, Nuhu, Adam, Muadh, Umar, Abu Bakri, Uthman, Alli, etc

nect:
So where do you now find Bamidele or Kolawole, Olajide (my own names) as role models for Islamic identity?

nect:
You also know that Islam has its own culture different from the culture of the Arabs too. Some of it can be similar to it or any other culture of the world, including the Yoruba that you want to be promoting. And it can be different from them!

BetaThings:

I have stumbled upon this



It should matter what you think of others
But it does not matter what people think of you
Your admirers must be happy

BetaThings:
BTW it was very very wrong for El Rufai to have mocked anything related to any Prophet (PBUT)

BetaThings:
However, I recall that a Christian went to UI to disrupt Jumat service. What happened?

BetaThings:
I will not kill anyone because of tweets denigrating Islam but some people would. Is it not better to also appeal to our friends to stop taunting muslims.

BetaThings:

BTW - your posts have been very revealing and any lingering doubt is removed

maclatunji:

It is not a dogma, it is a legitimate question. Bamidele Bukola could be a Muslim, but the I wouldn't know until I ask him or see him practise Islam. However, if I see Idris Bamidele Bukola, I know at the very least, he has a Muslim background.



When someone starts answering questions solely with questions, I know it is time to let them remain where they are, they simply have little or no intention to change.




I wonder if any self-respecting Muslim will bear the name "Esubiyi" which is very Yoruba name. Would you give your child that name going by your argument that "the name you bear is insignificant"? #Kai See #Argument.

This is a very interesting thread.

Huda: Do all Muslim names have to be Arabic in origin?

By Huda , Islam.About.com/od/babynames/f/name_Origins.htm


Question:

Do all Muslim names have to be Arabic in origin?


Over 85% of the world's Muslims do not speak Arabic as their native language, and are not culturally Arabs at all. Is it acceptable to give a Muslim baby a Turkish, Persian, Indonesian, or other name from a different culture, instead of an Arabic name?


Do non-Arab Muslim converts need to change their names?


Answer:

In Islam, the meaning of a name is the most important.

Just because a name stems from a certain language or culture, doesn't mean that it has a good Islamic meaning.


During the time of the Prophet Muhammad, several of his companions changed their own Arabic names, because the meanings of their names connoted wickedness.

For example, someone named ''Harb'' (war) had his name changed to Silm (peace), and one named Al-Munba'ith (one who lies) became Al-Mudtaji' "one who stands up," i.e. for the truth). So an Arabic name is not automatically an appropriate name for a Muslim.


As a universal faith, Muslims come from many different cultures and speak hundreds of different languages.

If one wants to use some of the recommended boys and girls' names from the Qur'an or Islamic history, then of course the name will be of Arabic origin.


There are also many traditional and popular Arabic names which are recognizable as Muslim names.


But if one would like to choose another meaningful name, one from another language is perfectly acceptable.

alomoh: Allah does not Speak any other Language yet he is said to be all knowing. what kind of Allah will impose Arab to English speaking countries or French speaking countries? The fact that Arabs want others to speak their murderous Language shows how unenlightened Islamic Allah is, unfortunately he even gets professors to follow him. GJO moshay in His Who is this allah finished the Muslims, exposed allah and Muslim are still deceived to follow a man who copied passages from the Bible, Lied that Koran was handed by angel, Defiled children assault people, orders his followers to kill and maim his handiwork as if he were weak himself to kill them. wrote several contradiction with a bad use of language helped by unenlightened translators to make incoherent English translation of koran and made several offenders handicapped, instructed promiscuity and abuse of women and several other vices that allah followers allows, What manner of allah is this?

alomoh: Allah does not Speak any other Language yet he is said to be all knowing. what kind of Allah will impose Arab to English speaking countries or French speaking countries? The fact that Arabs want others to speak their murderous Language shows how unenlightened Islamic Allah is, unfortunately he even gets professors to follow him. GJO moshay in His Who is this allah finished the Muslims, exposed allah and Muslim are still deceived to follow a man who copied passages from the Bible, Lied that Koran was handed by angel, Defiled children assault people, orders his followers to kill and maim his handiwork as if he were weak himself to kill them. wrote several contradiction with a bad use of language helped by unenlightened translators to make incoherent English translation of koran and made several offenders handicapped, instructed promiscuity and abuse of women and several other vices that allah followers allows, What manner of allah is this?

khairate: wow, congratulations, clap for urself. Av noticed wen ds OP sees comments of ds sort, he is so quick to ignore, and attack any muslim who is against his own ' ideology on reforming the religion Allah s.w.t. Has perfected'. And as for you who posted ds here, which bible do u concor with?? That of the roman catholic or the protestant bible that is seven books less? The old or new?? Which one. Like i always say, Islam and xtianity are two parallel lines. Islam is not a religion you jus innovate new doctrines. For example, majority of u 'christlike' pple celebrate dec. 25th as ur God's bday. Hw many times was it mentioned in d scriptures dt he hosted parties nd danced on dec. 25th to celebrate his birth?? Who brought up ds ideology? Ds sunday dancin and clappin, who started it? Was it jesus?? Well i knw now dt dis arguements are coming up, someone will quickly translate a yoruba version of the bible and include this points to validate them. Smh

ayinba1:

You surrender to Allah, when you believe in Him, His signs, all His Prophets making no distinction between them. They all came with the same message; worship Allah, your Creator and do not associate partners with Him.

Simply put, answer to your question is Yes.
Unless you want to show me how you can submit to the will of Allah and deny the prophethood of Mohammed(pbuh)

maclatunji:

If you lived and died before him, your answer is a big no. Topic for another thread. In fact, over-debated on this website already.

aribisala0:
So how did Abraham and Jesus "surrender" when they did not know Mohammed??
How could Abraham have been a muslim

BlackBaron: True to an extent, same way I've never really heard an indigenous hausa name.

isleman: I want to congratulate the poster for the wisdom and knowledge and for reaching the stage of self discovery. A stage of self discovery is a stage in life when you discover who you are, what you are and your purpose in life. it is a stage when you can clearly define right from wrong, good from bad without fair or prejudice in order to feed you own common sense and be true to yourself. unfortunately, this stage has nothing to do with age. i don't know your age but i congratulate you again for reaching that stage in life.

many don't reach that stage at all and they die as fools. i congratulate you again from being able to separate facts from fiction.

to buttress your point. i have an English name too which makes people not know who i am or where am from. Africans are usually identified by their names, language and culture. if your name doesn't quickly identify you. its a problem. you wouldn't know how it feels if you bare a native name.

Same for Christians too. their is nothing like christian name or biblical name. all names in the bible are either Hebrew or Jewish. It is pointless naming your child an Hebrew name when you can name them the interpreted version in your native language. For example, ISSAC is a Hebrew name while it means 'promise child'. Why name a child Issac when you can simply name them promise or promise child in your native language which is the actual meaning?

This is where African are losing it. if we can open up our minds and eyes and remove the sentiments and hypocrisy. Africans will move forward. they've played with our minds enough, lets rediscover ourselves.